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[03:09] <coreyo> I've been having some trouble with gstreamer and playing my mp3's.  I've been getting random noises (sounds like random bits) when I play an mp3.  A higher processor load makes it worse, and turning ossinc sync=true causes my mp3's to speed up and go high pitch
[03:10] <coreyo> I'm using 0.6.4-4
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[03:11] <coreyo> any ideas on the random noise?  I'm hoping to use rhythmbox in my car setup, but I've been having to settle for xmms
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[03:11] <BBB> what commands do you use to play mp3s?
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[03:23] <walters> so 0.8 is looking to be tomorrow?
[03:23] <BBB> I guess
[03:23] <BBB> I tested the prereleases and they work for me
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[03:29] <coreyo> gst-launch filesrc location="some_mp3.mp3" ! mad ! osssink sync=false
[03:30] <coreyo> I'm currently using the debian packages
[03:30] <taaz> wow, my docs error is fixable in a nonsensical way
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[03:31] <BBB> hm..
[03:31] Action: BBB doesn't know
[03:31] <BBB> coreyo: try the latest 0.7.x release
[03:31] <BBB> we're actively developing on that
[03:32] <taaz> in the advanced-types doc if i take out one line of the paragraph about buffer-frames the docs will build.  else jadetex creates a multi gig dvi file and spins forever
[03:32] <BBB> what paragraph?
[03:32] <coreyo> BBB: do you know if there are debian packages available?
[03:32] <BBB> something bad?
[03:32] <BBB> coreyo: no, just source
[03:32] <BBB> 0.8.0 will have .deb and .rpm packages
[03:32] <coreyo> BBB: what's the official site?
[03:33] <taaz> coreyo: i'm the debian maintainer who is right now offically sucking at my job ;)
[03:33] <BBB> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/
[03:33] Action: BBB kicks taaz
[03:33] <taaz> dude, fix this doc error for me.  it's sucked up all my debianizing time
[03:34] <BBB> what line?
[03:34] <taaz> the buffer-frames description
[03:34] <thaytoo> yo BBB
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[03:34] <thaytoo> alsamixer works ok, except for a problem which I think is a bug in the gnome mixer_applet
[03:34] <taaz> ~281 in advanced-types.xml
[03:35] <BBB> I saw the bugreport
[03:35] <BBB> I don't have mixer_applet :(
[03:35] <coreyo> taaz: don't suppose that you'll habe a 0.7.x package out by the end of the week?  That's when spring break ends and I've gotta secure everything in the car and head back up to school :)
[03:35] <BBB> and it requires full gnome-2.5 to compile
[03:35] <BBB> which is impossible for me
[03:35] <BBB> I don't have that much HD space
[03:35] <thaytoo> BBB: I think it's the mixer_applet's fault
[03:35] <BBB> mayeb...
[03:35] Action: BBB looks at cod
[03:35] <BBB> where is it?
[03:35] <thaytoo> when it rescales the 0-100 mixer value, it sets the slider
[03:35] <BBB> do you have a CVS link?
[03:35] <thaytoo> COD?
[03:36] <BBB> code
[03:36] <thaytoo> oh :)
[03:36] <thaytoo> one sec
[03:36] <taaz> coreyo: i have no idea.  maybe.  they won't be well tested by then.
[03:38] <thaytoo> http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/rview.cgi?cvsroot=/cvs/gnome&dir=gnome-applets/mixer
[03:38] <thaytoo> mixer.c
[03:38] <thaytoo> BBB: If you don't get to it, I'll look more tonight
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[03:42] <BBB> we cast too much
[03:42] <BBB> we=they
[03:43] <BBB> look at normalize_volume and trackify_volume
[03:43] <BBB> I don't like those function
[03:43] <BBB> :)
[03:44] <thaytoo> I think it should be doing max-min+1 instead of max-min there
[03:44] <thaytoo> in normaliz
[03:45] <thaytoo> and trackify
[03:46] <taaz> so if i take out half of the word "professional" and the words "audio applications" the docs will build fine.  else the don't.  wtf.
[03:46] <BBB> thaytoo: I don't think so
[03:46] <BBB> but depends on the input
[03:46] <BBB> just debug it... I don't know how, though
[03:46] <BBB> popups?
[03:46] <BBB> :D
[03:46] <thaytoo> it can be done in gdb
[03:47] <thaytoo> you start the mixer_applet exe in gdb and then add it to the panel
[03:47] <thaytoo> then it instantiates using the factory you're running in gdb instead
[03:48] <thaytoo> I'll do it later
[03:48] <thaytoo> reasonably sure that it is the mixer applet's fault
[03:48] <thaytoo> it's conversion to slider-position and back to mixer value results in a different value
[03:48] <BBB> maybe... I don't really know
[03:48] <BBB> what's the values in the slider?
[03:48] <BBB> 0-100?
[03:49] <BBB> 1-100?
[03:49] <thaytoo> and it should not be setting the track volume again in that case
[03:49] <thaytoo> I'm not certain, I didn't read all the code yet
[03:50] <thaytoo> oh, the maximum alsa mixer value seems to be 64
[03:50] <thaytoo> where the slider is assuming 100
[03:50] <taaz> blah.  screw this.  i'll take out the # of chars i need to and revisit later.  i'll buy a beer for anyone who can fix this for me. ;)
[03:52] <BBB> thaytoo: that shouldn't matter, that's what those two functions do :)
[03:54] Action: BBB honestly doesn't know
[03:54] <thaytoo> it's something in the scaling, I'll debug it tonight
[03:54] <BBB> so only ALSA has this?
[03:55] <BBB> OSS works fine?
[03:55] <thaytoo> yeah
[03:55] <thaytoo> it works if oss emulation is loaded too
[03:55] <thaytoo> what range of values does ossmixer take for the controls?
[03:56] <BBB> no, but it prefers OSS over ALSA
[03:56] <BBB> we solve this in 0.9.x by using GST_RANK_* values to rank mixers
[03:56] <BBB> we have no solution in 0.8.x
[03:56] <BBB> :(
[03:57] <BBB> I didn't have time to implement that... it's on my wishlist, though
[03:57] <BBB> I want to use it for audio sources/sink and video sources/sinks, too
[03:57] <BBB> to order a selectionlist
[03:57] <BBB> so that theora always precedes divx, for example
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[04:05] <thaytoo> yeah, that'd be nice
[04:07] <thaytoo> BBB: I found this too: http://www.cs.princeton.edu/omnimedia/papers/icme2002t.pdf
[04:07] <thaytoo> you might find it interesting
[04:13] <BBB> hm
[04:13] <BBB> MPEG-2 optimizations
[04:13] <BBB> I like those
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[04:57] <thaytoo> BBB: ok, I think I fixed it
[04:57] <thaytoo> gstreamer_normalize_volume needs to add 0.5 to round to the nearest int instead of always rounding down
[04:58] <BBB> aha!
[04:58] <BBB> true
[04:58] <BBB> does that actually fix it?
[04:59] <thaytoo> seems to have, yeah
[04:59] <thaytoo> and also works for ossmixer
[05:01] <thaytoo> it doesn't pick up changes when I modify in the alsamixer app tho
[05:01] <thaytoo> might have to do something else to trigger that
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[05:08] <thaytoo> BBB: do you know why alsamixer shows channels twice in gnome-volume-control, btw?
[05:08] <thaytoo> it seems to be any channel that has a 'rec' toggle gets shown twice
[05:08] <thaytoo> one has the toggle, and the other does not
[05:08] <thaytoo> doesn't happen with ossmixer
[05:09] <BBB> they're both input and output channels
[05:09] <BBB> I suppose it's a driver bug
[05:09] <BBB> OSS is much simpler than that
[05:09] <BBB> the whole issue is theoretically impossible
[05:10] <thaytoo> the alsamixer app doesn't do it
[05:10] <BBB> because a trackis flagged input or not flagged input (so it's output)
[05:10] <BBB> :)
[05:10] <BBB> we might have to steal some code from alsamixer
[05:10] <BBB> I'll do that after 0.8.0 :)
[05:10] <BBB> we have permission to use it as LGPL
[05:10] <thaytoo> coolo
[05:12] <thaytoo> oh, I see
[05:12] <thaytoo> in oss when you set a slider you're setting it for both the capture and playback levels but alsa they're separate tracks
[05:14] <thaytoo> alsamixer app is doing magic to keep the capture and playback levels the same for each track
[05:15] <dilinger> hah
[05:15] <dilinger> that's a great sig
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[05:17] <BBB> ehm
[05:17] <BBB> no
[05:17] <BBB> thaytoo: record levels are *not* playback levels
[05:17] <BBB> in OSS, something is either record or playback
[05:17] <BBB> it cannot be both
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[05:17] <BBB> with ALSA, this is possible
[05:17] <soros> gstreamer is dying :(
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[05:17] <BBB> soros: oh? not that I know of :)
[05:21] <thaytoo> BBB: yeah. alsa has separate capture and playback volume tracks
[05:21] <thaytoo> and the alsamixer app is just setting both when you change the slider
[05:21] <thaytoo> but gnome-volume-control shows them separately
[05:24] <BBB> hm
[05:24] <BBB> we'll discuss that for 0.9.x, ok?
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[05:24] <BBB> make it a bugzilla entry for now
[05:24] <BBB> it's bad
[05:29] <coreyo> taaz: where do the gstreamer debian packages put the libgstcontrol.x libraries?
[05:30] <coreyo> taaz: it's not showing up in packages.debian.org, and I can't get rhythmbox to see the ones that I compiled.
[05:31] <BBB> ds-work or ds: please be here
[05:32] <taaz> coreyo: libgstreamer0.6-0[-dev]
[05:33] <taaz> coreyo: "apt-cache search gst control" would have found it.  but not "gstcontrol".  hmm.
[05:34] <coreyo> taaz: I'm looking for the installed location of the libgstcontrol.so after you install the packages
[05:34] <thaytoo> BBB: ok
[05:34] <thaytoo> for now, gnome-volume-control can probably fix it up for 2.6.1
[05:34] <BBB> yup
[05:34] <coreyo> taaz: packages.debian.org was pulling a blank when I did a package contents search
[05:35] <BBB> we're way far in the code freeze
[05:35] <taaz> coreyo: pkg-config --libs gstreamer-0.6
[05:35] <BBB> no more fixes
[05:35] <thaytoo> *nod*
[05:35] <coreyo> taaz: and placing a symlink in /usr/lib doesn't allow rhythmbox to see it
[05:35] <taaz> coreyo: they are in /usr/lib/ but you shouldn't need to knwo that
[05:35] <thaytoo> I've sent the mixer_applet bug to them
[05:35] <thaytoo> they can put it in as they wish
[05:35] <coreyo> taaz: since I'm having to compile the gstreamer stuff from scratch, it's placing them in /usr/local/lib
[05:36] <taaz> coreyo: on p.d.o you have to use the "keyword" search unless you specified the whole path (i think)
[05:37] <taaz> coreyo: you should really just need to know where the gstreamer pkgconfig file went.  add that path to youre PKG_CONFIG_PATH env var and the rb config should be able to auto detect where the libs are
[05:40] <coreyo> any ideas?
[05:44] <thaytoo> coreyo: /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig if you didn't specify a different prefix
[05:48] <coreyo> taaz: oh wait... the point is that I'm not using the gstreamer package
[05:48] <coreyo> it certainly has issues.  I compiled it from the source and installed it
[05:49] <coreyo> does libgstcontrol-0.6.so.0 exist in your /usr/lib/ directory, and if so, is it a symlink?
[05:50] <taaz> hmm.  i think thomasvz wrote about this in his weblog
[05:50] <taaz> what are you trying to do?  compile rb against your own gstreamer install?
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[05:53] <coreyo> no, use the debian rhythmbox install with my compiled gstreamer
[05:54] <coreyo> getting rhythmbox to compile was somewhat of a pain
[05:54] <taaz> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib rhythmbox
[05:54] <taaz> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH rhythmbox
[05:55] <taaz> adjust path as appropriate.  it should pick up local libgst before a system one
[05:56] <taaz> man 8 ld.so
[05:56] <taaz> you can use LD_PRELOAD to force a certain file to load if needed
[05:58] <taaz> does that do what you want?
[05:58] <coreyo> taaz: I'm trying it now
[06:01] <coreyo> got it
[06:01] <coreyo> thanks taaz
[06:07] <coreyo> gstreamer error: no default scheduler, do you have a registry?
[06:07] <thaytoo> have you run gst-register?
[06:08] <coreyo> if I change that to an imparative sentence and run gst-register... let's see what happens
[06:12] <coreyo> now it's complaining about not being able create a mad element
[06:12] <BBB> did it find the mad plugin?
[06:12] <BBB> if not, did it find *any* plugin?
[06:12] Action: BBB gone
[06:13] <BBB> bed
[06:13] <BBB> bye!
[06:13] <BBB> thaytoo: thanks for debuggign mixer_applet
[06:13] <BBB> :)
[06:13] <BBB> hope it makes it into gnome-2.6
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[06:13] <coreyo> yeah, gst-register found a bunch of stuff, but I'm not sure that the gstreamer plugin sources compile mad by default
[06:17] <coreyo> do you run gst-register as superuser, or as a normal user?
[06:17] <coreyo> is this to populate your gconf registry?
[06:19] <coreyo> what directive do I use when compiling the gst-plugins to tell it to compile the mad plugin
[06:27] <taaz> you probably just need libmad0-dev installed
[06:27] <taaz> gst-register can be run as user.  it's a little more tricky when you have both system and local versions installed.  maybe too tricky to use.
[06:28] <taaz> file bugs if you find problems
[06:28] <coreyo> it found bunches plugins and added them, so something's working
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[08:53] <aeyakovenko> hello
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[09:17] <aeyakovenko> woo hoooo
[09:18] <aeyakovenko> i got video sent across the network through rtp
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[11:44] <jdahlin> How can I retrieve the scheduler instance from a normal program?
[11:46] <thaytan> "normal program"
[11:46] <thaytan> ?
[11:46] <jdahlin> something with a pipeline
[11:47] <thaytan> GST_ELEMENT_SCHED (element)
[11:47] <thaytan> is that what you want?
[11:47] <jdahlin> hmm, that might do it
[11:48] <thaytan> pipelines are an element, of course
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[11:49] <irib> hi there
[11:49] <thaytan> yo irib
[11:49] <irib> I've got a problem reading a .swf with swfdec
[11:50] <irib> where can I send the swf to help you ?
[11:50] <irib> (it works correctly with macromedia flash player)
[11:50] <thaytan> ds is the man to deliver it to
[11:51] <thaytan> I don't know if he's around
[11:51] <irib> ok. 
[11:51] <irib> no, idle 60 hours :)
[11:51] <thaytan> ds-work is less idle
[11:51] <thaytan> slightly :)
[11:52] <irib> :-)
[11:52] <irib> well... i'll try back this afternoon then (morning for the US)
[11:59] <thomasvs> http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/releases/gstreamer/0.8.0.html
[11:59] <thomasvs> anyone see anything missing ?
[12:01] <dolphy> seems alright
[12:01] <thaytan> DVD playback :(
[12:02] <thaytan> also, the <strong></strong> around my name ;)
[12:02] <thomasvs> thaytan: did we add stuff to the core for dvd playback ?
[12:02] <thomasvs> ah, right, events ?
[12:02] Action: thomasvs adds
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[12:03] <thaytan> no, we didn't 
[12:03] <thomasvs> huh ? interactivity and events were added to the core for this no ?
[12:04] <thaytan> I meant that Martin and I haven't got it finished ergo it's missing
[12:04] <thaytan> oh, yes, in that sense
[12:04] <thaytan> we can still add to 0.8.1, right?
[12:04] <thaytan> like, add another event enum?
[12:05] <thaytan> as long as we don't break ABI for older apps?
[12:05] <thomasvs> yeah
[12:05] <dolphy> jdub is pulling our ears
[12:05] <thaytan> ok, great
[12:05] <thaytan> dolphy: you think he's pulling YOUR ears
[12:05] <thaytan> I got to cop it in person on the weekend ;)
[12:06] <dolphy> mine ? :)
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[12:11] <thaytan> thomasvs: yep, the announce looks good
[12:18] <thaytan> stupid computer. compile faster
[12:19] Action: jdahlin nods
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[12:31] <thomasvs> http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/releases/gst-plugins/0.8.0.html
[12:31] <thomasvs> anything missing here ?
[12:33] <khalek> shouldn't that be FFMPEG not FFMpeg ?
[12:35] <thomasvs> hm, it should be FFmpeg
[12:35] <thomasvs> wonder why ronald had it wrong
[12:38] <khalek> why the lowercase usage of mpeg?
[12:39] <khalek> ah thats what the ffmpeg guys use
[12:39] <thomasvs> yeah
[12:39] <khalek> on the project page anyway, its FFMPEG on the homepage
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[12:51] <thomasvs> ================================================
[12:51] <thomasvs> gstreamer-0.8.0.tar.gz is ready for distribution
[12:51] <thomasvs> ================================================
[12:51] Action: thomasvs is scared
[12:52] <thaytan> do it man!
[12:52] <jonathang> thomasvs, have you looked into my adder problem?
[12:53] <jonathang> (I am currently compiling the gst-plugins pre release to test it myself)
[12:53] <thomasvs> jonathang: only a little bit, I hope to get it fixed asap
[12:53] <thomasvs> jonathang: I want it to work as well, sorry I've been slacking on that
[12:53] <jonathang> I just wanted to know before the 0.8 release...
[12:54] <jonathang> thomasvs, if I can help, just give me directions
[12:54] <jonathang> thomasvs, I thought it had to do with the schedulers, so I didn't investigate further
[12:58] <thomasvs> jonathang: it's hard to tell atm, I need to write a simple testcase to check it
[13:01] <jonathang> thomasvs, ok, don't hesitate to ask me if I can help
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[13:04] <thomasvs> jonathang: how good is your C ?
[13:07] <jonathang> thomasvs, hmmm, not bad :)
[13:08] <jonathang> I admit my C++ is better...
[13:08] <thomasvs> jonathang: I'll try and look into the things that go wrong so you ahve some ideas on what to check
[13:08] <jonathang> thomasvs, ok thanks
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[13:29] <LeRoutier> hello
[13:30] <LeRoutier> media-info pc file has no version number inside
[13:30] <LeRoutier> i mean this one : gst-plugins/pkgconfig/gstreamer-media-info.pc.in
[13:31] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: whoops, too late :)
[13:31] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: ah, no, there are two versions
[13:31] <thomasvs> LeRoutier: it gets copied automatically
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[14:18] <LeRoutier> bbl
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[14:30] <Misirlou> Whee!
[14:31] <thaytan> woooo!
[14:35] <Misirlou> thomasvs: Make sure that you mention the final releases in that thread on gnome-multimedia.
[14:40] <thomasvs> yeah, will do
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[16:32] <emann> Hello everyone
[16:33] <emann> I have an idea and i want to know if gstreamer can do what i want to do
[16:33] <emann> what i am looking at doing is a video app with text overlay
[16:34] <emann> the video will play in a loop, we call them jumpbacks but there will be text that will be over the top
[16:34] <emann> the text will change, but i want the video loop to just keep on playing.
[16:34] <thomasvs> emann: in theory that's possible yeah
[16:35] <emann> cool
[16:35] <emann> do you have a thought on what would go wrong, or be a problem with this?/
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[16:41] <thomasvs> well, you'll run into a few simple plugin bugs
[16:41] <thomasvs> but they should be solvable.
[16:41] <thomasvs> it also sort of depends on how you want to do it, gstreamer-wise
[16:41] <thomasvs> it looks like hte best thing would be to have one input pipeline with the video, that you can connect eos to, so you automatically rewind that bin when needed
[16:42] <thomasvs> then connect that bin to a text overlayer
[16:42] <thomasvs> also
[16:42] <thomasvs> there are some sample text overlay plugins, but they need to be checked and finished
[16:42] <thomasvs> they work, I used them in a demo - but they're not fixed up correctly yet
[16:42] <thomasvs> but bascially, the pieces are there
[16:42] <emann> thomasvs: thanks for the info i will look into that
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[16:58] <emann> hey the docs are not found on the server. Did anyone know about that?
[16:58] <emann> if you follow the link on this page that is http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/dev/
[17:02] <thomasvs> emann: check the stable ones
[17:02] <thomasvs> we just did a release
[17:02] <thomasvs> where did you get that link btw ?
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[17:11] <emann> thomasvs: Sorry i was working on something
[17:12] <emann> i got it from the site link Developers on all the pages
[17:13] <emann> left hand side. Then if you see the documentation link in the developers page the middle something like this
[17:13] <emann> Much documentation and some introductory slides are to be found on the Documentation page. We suggest to read the manual and the slides to get a general overview and to get you started.
[17:13] <emann> the text "Documentaion page" is the bad link
[17:15] <emann> i am walking away now. bbl
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[18:25] <earthworm> yay, new gstreamer! congratulations lads!
[18:27] <thomasvs> thanks :)
[18:27] <earthworm> how goes the packaging for fedora?
[18:28] <earthworm> can't wait to try totem with gstreamer for video
[18:28] <teuf> seeking in divx with totem and gstreamer isn't rock solid according to a quick test yesterday, I guess it's to be expected ?
[18:29] <earthworm> as long as general play back is smooth i suppose
[18:29] <thomasvs> teuf: what sort of issues did you experience ?
[18:29] <thomasvs> earthworm: fedora packaging is done, doesn't include totem yet though
[18:30] <earthworm> you think gst/totem will outperform xine/totem on the same video?
[18:30] <earthworm> ok mate, cool
[18:30] <thomasvs> earthworm: am writing some pages for hte packages
[18:30] <earthworm> ah, its great when a plan comes together eh thomasvs  :)
[18:30] <teuf> thomasvs: I seeked twice in a row, and it hanged, and I think in the end it crashed (or I killed it, I don't remember for sure)
[18:31] <thomasvs> earthworm: slowly but surely
[18:32] <thomasvs> teuf: hm, that's not good.  please file a bug for us
[18:32] <teuf> thomasvs: I'll try to reproduce this evening and to get a backtrace, that should be more helpful ;)
[18:33] <earthworm> i know you are getting spammed out by curious people here mate, but any thoughts on gst vs xine performance?
[18:33] <thomasvs> earthworm: hard to say, someone should measure
[18:33] <thomasvs> earthworm: as well as making it hard due to various different environments, output methods, and so on
[18:34] <earthworm> that would make a nice osnews article
[18:35] <earthworm> like you say, tricky to do, and a bit subjective
[18:36] <teuf> earthworm: anyway, gstreammer development hasn't been particularly focused on performance yet imo
[18:37] <earthworm> getting a rock solid api seems to be a key issue, at least that is what the focus appears to be as an outsider, and that is no bad thing
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[18:39] <earthworm> well, im pleased for you all anyway, best of luck with the new release
[18:39] <earthworm> cheers!
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[18:47] <emann> \exit
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[18:51] <jdahlin> an enum that is a const?
[18:51] <jdahlin> brooooken
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[19:16] <taaz> news/ page not being updated
[19:21] <jonathang> taaz: are you going to wait for gnome 2.6 before making gstreamer packages? or is it possible to already update them?
[19:22] <jonathang> taaz: I mean, are they gonna break everything down?
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[19:24] <jonathang> taaz: whoops, when I read what I wrote again, it seems agressive :) it was absolutely not!
[19:27] <taaz> jonathang: no packages for you!  1 year!
[19:27] <taaz> jonathang: i'm working on them now.
[19:27] <taaz> hope i'll have them this week sometime
[19:27] <taaz> they might break things... i dunno yet ;)
[19:28] <jonathang> taaz: hehe :)
[19:28] <jonathang> you're gonna put them directly in unstable?
[19:28] <jonathang> or in experimental?
[19:28] <taaz> experimental first i think
[19:29] <taaz> well... maybe.  they will be parallel installable with 0.6.x ones
[19:30] <taaz> since i suck so much and haven't had 0.7.x ones for people to test there maybe should be a period to iron out some bugs before these hit unstable
[19:30] <jonathang> count me in for testing ;)
[19:31] <taaz> hopefully i'll try and fix that problem too.  put up a arch repository on arch.d.o so people can help update things if they want.
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[19:32] <ds> moo
[19:33] Action: sri walks in
[19:33] Action: sri looks around
[19:33] <sri> I WILL BE YOUR LEADER!
[19:33] Nick change: sri -> chorus
[19:33] <chorus> hehe
[19:33] Action: thomasvs strips off chorus's pants
[19:33] Nick change: chorus -> sri
[19:34] <sri> haha
[19:34] <thomasvs> gstplay should be disabled when no X is present
[19:34] <thomasvs> or maybe it shouldn't
[19:34] <thomasvs> man
[19:34] <thomasvs> that interfaces stuff with the X deps is nasty
[19:35] <sri> well gstplay doesn't work wihtout X, seems fairly clear that it shouldn't.
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[19:42] <thomasvs> sri: what about aasink on the console ?
[19:48] <ds> does gstplay depend on X or just typedef XID?
[19:52] <thomasvs> ./../gst-libs/gst/play/.libs/libgstplay-0.8.so: undefined reference to `gst_x_overlay_get_type'
[19:52] <thomasvs> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[19:52] <thomasvs> without HAVE_X, that part of the interfaces code doesn't get compiled
[19:59] <jdahlin> taaz: ping?
[19:59] <thomasvs> obviously I'm the first one to test without X in quite some time
[20:05] <taaz> jdahlin: i'm running off for 20 mins or so... will be back
[20:05] <jdahlin> taaz: I won't be here, I'm just going home
[20:06] <jdahlin> I'll send a mail instead
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[20:20] <thomasvs> later people
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[20:30] <Uraeus> good evening
[20:30] <dolphy> Uraeus: yop
[20:31] <lupusBE> I was wondering if there is a player for mozilla
[20:31] <lupusBE> that uses gstreamer
[20:32] <Uraeus> dolphy: I went to the travel agent today and ordered my Oslo-London-Singapore-Sydney-Perth-StJohanesburg-Namibia-Oslo trip :)
[20:32] <Uraeus> lupusBE: there is some old broken code in cvs which is the start of a mozilla plugin
[20:32] <Uraeus> lupusBE: there is also mozstreamer at mozdev, but that hasn't been updated since the gstreamer 0.2.1 days
[20:33] <dolphy> Uraeus: waow
[20:34] Nick change: markey -> markey|afk
[20:34] <Uraeus> dolphy: not to expensive either, paid 2000 Euro for the whole thing (airplane tickets only)
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[20:38] <lupusBE> with the mozilla-libbonobo
[20:39] <lupusBE> can't a gstreamer app play in mozilla then?
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[20:41] <lupusBE> let me say it otherwise :) is there a libbono control for gst-player ?
[20:52] <alley_cat> hmm, gst-ffmpeg 0.8 fails
[20:53] <alley_cat> i wonder why, it never failed in cvs for me
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[20:56] <alley_cat> ok, needs -O3
[20:58] Action: dilinger looks forward to testing taaz's 0.8 debs
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[21:06] <Uraeus> lupusBE: no there is no bonobo-component yet, but once again I think there is a start of one in gst-player :)
[21:06] <Uraeus> hi thomasvs
[21:06] <thomasvs> there is a bonobo component, but it's been a long time since someone tested it
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[21:29] <Uraeus> thomasvs: do you have 0.8 RPMS or should I roll my own?
[21:30] <thomasvs> Uraeus: I have
[21:30] <thomasvs> http://gstreamer.net/pkg/fedora/1/i386/
[21:31] <thomasvs> apt-get install gstreamer-universe
[21:31] <thomasvs> maybe remove your selfbuilt ones first
[21:32] <Uraeus> thomasvs: packaging totem, gnome-media and rhythmbox there too?
[21:35] <thomasvs> not yet, since htat would require packaging all of gnome
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[21:35] <Uraeus> hmm, something doesn't work, think I need to try and download the packages manually to figure out what
[21:35] <thomasvs> what doesn't work ?
[21:35] <thomasvs> talk to me 
[21:35] <thomasvs> I am your friend
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[21:36] <Uraeus> hi steve_b
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[21:41] <Uraeus> g'day teuf
[21:41] <teuf> hi
[21:42] <Uraeus> dolphy: any chance of moving totem to using gstreamer by default now?
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[21:47] <thomasvs> Uraeus: it's not stable enough yet
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[21:53] <alley_cat> and xine plays formats gstreamer doesn't
[21:54] <alley_cat> well, one format i care about ;)
[21:55] <thomasvs> which one ?
[21:55] <alley_cat> ogm
[21:55] <thomasvs> alley_cat: tried with recent ffmpeg btw ?
[21:56] <alley_cat> i got gst-ffmpeg 0.8 compiled by adding -O3 to CFLAGS
[21:56] <alley_cat> usual "no register ..." error
[21:56] <thomasvs> don't follow
[21:56] <thomasvs> the no register is a compiler error no ?
[21:57] <alley_cat> yes, oh you meant for ogm?
[21:57] <thomasvs> I'm not following :)
[21:57] <alley_cat> neither am i :)
[21:57] <thomasvs> gst-ffmpeg 0.8.0 compiles for you, or not ?
[21:57] <alley_cat> it does with -O3 optimizations
[21:58] <thomasvs> but not with -O2 ?
[21:58] <alley_cat> yes
[21:58] <thomasvs> weird :)
[21:58] <thomasvs> ds-work: do you hear that esteemed collague ?
[21:58] <thomasvs> alley_cat: ok, so doing that makes it compile and run ?
[21:58] <alley_cat> seems like with -O3 gcc generates surrounding code that uses one less register than -O2, so the mmx code can be compiled
[21:59] <Misirlou> alley_cat: Time to go through all the differences between -O2 and -O3 and figure out what causes it!
[21:59] <sri> thomasvs: well I was thinking about asink too (or aalib/sdl etc)  I didn't know if the gui frontend supported that.  I thought gst-player was a gtk app.
[21:59] <ds-work> thomasvs: it's actually -fomit-frame-pointer that does it
[21:59] <thomasvs> alley_cat: hm, so you're saying not all mmx is disabled ?
[21:59] <sri> thomasvs: re: gst-player running on console.
[21:59] <alley_cat> compiles and runs fine
[21:59] <alley_cat> definitely not, lots of mmx stuff in my compile log
[21:59] <thomasvs> sri: libgstplay is a library, gst-player a small binary using it
[22:00] <thomasvs> ds-work: oh, hm - so we should add that to gst-ffmepg ?
[22:01] <ds-work> thomasvs: BBB already knows about it apparently
[22:01] Action: thomasvs wonders if he should have a good feeling about the release
[22:03] <alley_cat> it's definitely with mmx enabled, i can play my xvid4 videos without losing a/v synch
[22:05] <alley_cat> ffmpeg itself adds -O3 to whatever CFLAGS you give it
[22:05] <thomasvs> Uraeus: pokey
[22:09] <sri> thomasvs: ah..okay.
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[22:12] <aeyakovenko> hello
[22:12] <aeyakovenko> cool, plugins are out
[22:14] <thomasvs> dolphy: can you remove your buildbot checkout locally ?
[22:15] Action: thomasvs smacks Uraeus
[22:17] <Uraeus> thomasvs: what now? 
[22:19] <Uraeus> thomasvs: sorry for not testing the packages sooner, but I was on the phone with my aunt talking about my oslo-london-singapore-sydney-perth-johannesburg-windhoek-oslo trip :)
[22:20] Action: Uraeus just loves mentioning his trip
[22:21] <aeyakovenko> ** (process:12496): WARNING **: opt: unlink elements in same group: implement me
[22:21] <aeyakovenko> anyone know what that warming means?
[22:22] <Uraeus> I thought jdahlin fixed that message the other day
[22:22] <Uraeus> aeyakovenko: anyway it should be non-critical
[22:22] <aeyakovenko> i am using 0.7.5
[22:22] <aeyakovenko> Uraeus: ok then
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[22:32] <dolphy> thomasvs: huhu
[22:32] <dolphy> thomasvs: this buildbot needs manual intervention all the time it seems
[22:33] <thomasvs> dolphy: yah :/
[22:33] <thomasvs> dolphy: for some reason johan claims it's hard to make it delete stuff
[22:33] <thomasvs> dolphy: and now he's talkingabout rewriting it
[22:33] <dolphy> thomasvs: ok deleted
[22:33] <thomasvs> dolphy: we need to stop him in time :)
[22:33] <dolphy> thomasvs: huhu
[22:36] <thaytoo> morning!
[22:37] <Uraeus> hi thaytoo
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[22:39] <mathrick> yo
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[23:02] <Uraeus> hi ds
[23:03] Action: ds-work sees that the home network has recovered
[23:05] <sxpert> Uraeus: heya
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[23:05] <sxpert> ds-work: I take it pacbell.net sucks ...
[23:05] <coqRe> hi
[23:05] <Uraeus> hello
[23:06] <ds-work> sxpert: no, I think my roommate was doing something with it today
[23:06] <Uraeus> ds-work: so you don't believe we are at a point where any kind of ABI stability is feasible for any periods longer than 6 months? even a year from now?
[23:06] <sxpert> ds-work: ah ...
[23:06] <ds-work> Uraeus: maybe a year from now
[23:07] <sxpert> ds-work: not a female roommate ?
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[23:10] <sxpert> guess so :(
[23:11] <coqRe> aclocal: configure.ac: 100: macro `AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2' not found in library
[23:11] <coqRe> what does it mean?
[23:11] <Uraeus> ds-work: I think what we need is a plan for having a GStreamer 1.0 out in a year which is in such a state that we can focus on gstreamer 1.2 without people being unhappy about only bugfixes going into the 1.0 version
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[23:13] <Uraeus> ds-work: personally I think GStreamer 0.8 almost fits the bill for 90% for the apps people want to make which will be music and video players, not ardour replacements
[23:13] <ds-work> Uraeus: GNOME and KDE seem to want something that will be ABI stable for ~5 years
[23:13] <ds-work> Uraeus: I don't know how to do that in the next year
[23:14] <ds-work> Uraeus: keep in mind that just keeping GstPlay ABI stable is not possible, for the same reason that GNOME needs to keep glib ABI stable
[23:16] <Uraeus> ds-work: yeah 5 years is probably to much, but up to 2 years I would think could be acceptable as a compromise 
[23:17] <Uraeus> I mean I doubt that anyone else out there can offer something which is at a level that a 5 year without API changes is a viable solution for them
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[23:18] <kwm> did someone here get gst-plugins-0.8.0 to compile?
[23:18] <kwm> gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/homecooked/gstreamer-plugins/work/gst-plugins-0.8.0/tools'
[23:18] <kwm> Making all in gconf
[23:18] <kwm> cd: can't cd to gconf
[23:18] <Uraeus> kwm: yes, thomasvs did, I am using his rpms :)
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[23:19] <ds-work> Uraeus: with everything, I think there are tradeoffs.  I don't think that GStreamer will be better in a year if we decide to spend the next year designing for futureproofing
[23:19] <kwm> hum somehow the gconf dir gets lost ...
[23:19] <ds-work> than if we spent the time elsewhere
[23:21] <Uraeus> ds-work: yeah I see that point, I guess I was just hoping that we where closer to nirvana after 5 years than we actually are :)
[23:28] <aeyakovenko> i got everything to compile
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[23:30] <Uraeus> yo apoc_
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[23:56] <ds-work> wheels: is kgst maintained in KDE CVS or no?
[23:56] <wheels> ds-work: Well, it's in KDE CVS.  "maintained" is a bit strong of a word.  :-)
[23:57] <ds-work> wheels: is that the "official source"?
[23:57] Action: wheels is tenatively planning on updating it to 0.8 over the easter weekend.
[23:57] <iain> okay...marlin goes psycho with new gstreamer...whee
[23:57] <wheels> ds-work: yes -- it's in the "kdenonbeta" module, which is where new stuff tends to go...
[23:59] <ds-work> wheels: I'm basically trying to figure out a roadmap for the Debian package.  currently, kdemultimedia deps on kdegst
[23:59] <ds-work> which is a bit odd
[23:59] <wheels> ds-work: that's presumably for JuK
[23:59] <iain> what is happening if I get lots and lots of
[23:59] <iain> ** (lt-marlin:2308): CRITICAL **: how to remove plugins?
[23:59] <iain>  
[23:59] <iain> (lt-marlin:2308): GStreamer-WARNING **: could not load valid typefind function for feature 'video/x-msvideo'
[23:59] <iain> (one for each mimetype)
[23:59] <iain> and then lots of 
[23:59] <iain> ** (lt-marlin:2308): WARNING **: Unknown codec ID 0, please add here
[00:00] --- Wed Mar 17 2004
[00:00] <iain> followed by lots of 
[00:00] <iain> (lt-marlin:2308): GStreamer-WARNING **: could not load valid typefind function for feature 'fftype_mpeg'
[00:00] <iain> and finally
[00:00] <iain> (lt-marlin:2308): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: Factory for `mad' has no type
[00:00] <iain> Segmentation fault
[00:00] Action: iain apologises for flooding
[00:01] <thomasvs> iain: old gst-ffmpeg ?
[00:01] <iain> thomasvs: don't think so...
[00:03] <iain> hmm, having a user registry and a global registry caused the first stuff
[00:03] <iain> now I get 
[00:03] <iain> lots of
[00:03] <iain> ** (lt-marlin:2508): WARNING **: Unknown codec ID 0, please add here
[00:04] <iain> (lt-marlin:2508): GStreamer-WARNING **: could not load valid typefind function for feature 'fftype_mp3'
[00:04] <iain>  
[00:04] <iain> ERROR        GST_PADS( 2508) gstpad.c(2387):gst_pad_set_explicit_caps:<mad0> (null)
[00:04] <iain> ERROR        GST_PADS( 2508) gstpad.c(2387):gst_pad_set_explicit_caps:<mad0> failed to negotiate (try_set_caps returned REFUSED)
[00:05] <thomasvs> iain: try removing the gstffmpeg plugin, run gst-register again, and then try again
[00:07] <iain> still getting the 
[00:07] <iain> ERROR        GST_PADS( 2622) gstpad.c(2387):gst_pad_set_explicit_caps:<mad0> (null)
[00:07] <iain> ERROR        GST_PADS( 2622) gstpad.c(2387):gst_pad_set_explicit_caps:<mad0> failed to negotiate (try_set_caps returned REFUSED)
[00:07] <iain> stuff
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[00:07] <thomasvs> ok, so now the question is what is it trying to negotiate to
[00:07] <thomasvs> i'm assuming you're opening an mp3
[00:07] <thomasvs> what format is it ?
[00:08] <iain> what do you mean?
[00:08] <thomasvs> the mp3 - is it anything special ?
[00:08] <thomasvs> run with more debug info, to see what it's trying to set on it.
[00:08] <iain> just a normal mp3...
[00:08] <thomasvs> hm, maybe the debug should actually tell you what it was trying to set it to
[00:10] <iain> do you want me to just send you a debug log?
[00:10] <iain> I don't know whats relevant here
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[01:09] <ds-work> BBB: what's the score on gst-ffmpeg?
[01:09] Action: BBB hugs thomasvs for gst-ffmpeg-0.8.0
[01:09] <BBB> score?
[01:09] <BBB> 1-0 for me
[01:10] <BBB> (or: what do you mean?)
[01:10] <ds-work> does it compile with -O3 and mmx?
[01:10] <BBB> we disabled MMX for 0.8.0
[01:10] <BBB> it compiles for me
[01:10] <BBB> but it fails for others
[01:10] <ds-work> ok.
[01:10] <BBB> we're finding out why and will release 0.8.1 with MMX enabled
[01:11] <BBB> probably due to -ggdb or so
[01:11] <ds-work> with mmx enabled, does it work with -fomit-frame-pointer?
[01:11] <BBB> yes
[01:11] <BBB> for me it does
[01:11] <BBB> but for at least one person, it fails
[01:11] <ds-work> well, we can use a combination of rewritten asm and -fomit-frame-pointer on the relevant files
[01:11] <BBB> ds-work: I failed to upload the movie
[01:11] <BBB> scp hates me
[01:11] <ds-work> that would explain the 404
[01:11] <BBB> can you ask ureaus to DCC it to you?
[01:12] <BBB> it's castaway.mov
[01:12] <BBB> uraeus sent it to me a while ago
[01:12] <BBB> and as for esds
[01:12] <BBB> do you mind adding a property 'esdsdata' to caps for mpeg4 video/audio with this?
[01:12] <BBB> the esds would be optional
[01:12] <BBB> but that'd fix mpeg4-quicktime for me on one movie
[01:12] <BBB> esdsdata would be a GstBuffer
[01:13] <ds-work> esdsdata?  how about private_data or something?
[01:13] <BBB> sounds good too
[01:13] <BBB> as long as we can distinguish ourselves
[01:13] <BBB> so that we know that it carries the esds atom data in quicktime/mpeg4
[01:14] <BBB> (and a gstbuffer prevents all sort of data copying)
[01:14] <ds-work> does mpeg4 audio/video always require private data?
[01:14] <BBB> no
[01:14] <BBB> not for divx, xvid, 3ivx or any other form I've seen
[01:14] <BBB> just for quicktime's MPEG-4
[01:14] <BBB> probably some tables or so
[01:15] <ds-work> that sounds like an incompatible extension
[01:15] <BBB> and ffmpeg really does fail because of the missing extradata
[01:15] <BBB> that's the horror
[01:15] Action: BBB nods @ ds
[01:15] <ds-work> apple is hiring for a codec position
[01:16] <ds-work> maybe I could fix this crap from the other side :)
[01:16] <kh_out> can't undo the past
[01:16] <ds-work> how large is castaway.mov?
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[01:22] <BBB> ds-work: 6.8MB
[01:24] <ds-work> I have 4 castaway.mov's, but none that size :)
[01:27] <BBB> any with MACE codecs?
[01:27] <BBB> maybe it's 8,6MB, I dunno
[01:28] Action: BBB decides to go home
[01:28] <BBB> bbl
[01:28] <BBB> :)
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[02:55] <BBB> ds-work: da?
[02:58] <ds-work> !


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