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[04:26] Action: ds-work closes 20 bugs
[05:27] <taaz> ds-work: couple weeks for debs? ;)
[05:28] <dilinger> taaz: for 0.8? :/
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[05:57] <taaz> dilinger: i have core debs done.  plugins needs some work still
[05:59] <bitshifter> are there plans to do a 0.8.1 before Gnome 2.6 btw?
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[06:00] <dilinger> taaz: i'd offer to help, but my packages need loving..
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[06:30] <thaytoo> who is awake then?
[06:31] <khalek> why do you ask?
[06:32] <thaytoo> gst-launch videotestsrc ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=500, height=400 ! ffcolorspace ! video/x-raw-yuv, width=500, height=400, format=(fourcc)I420 ! xvimagesink
[06:32] <thaytoo> I thought I would see if someone had a little more time than I do to look at that and see if it is ffcolorspace's fault or xvimagesink's
[06:32] <thaytoo> or indeed if anyone else sees what I see
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[06:37] <thaytoo> BBB__: does this screw up for you? gst-launch videotestsrc ! video/x-raw-rgb, width=500, height=400 ! ffcolorspace ! video/x-raw-yuv, width=500, height=400, format=(fourcc)I420 ! xvimagesink
[06:37] <thaytoo> I think it is xvimagesink
[06:37] <BBB__> #define screw up?
[06:37] <BBB__> filtered caps sucks right now, I can't get it to work at all
[06:38] <BBB__> I was gonna send emails about that
[06:38] <thaytoo> appears to be drawing the chrominance channels with the wrong width so they're sheared across the window
[06:38] <thaytoo> but luminance is ok
[06:38] <thaytoo> that pipeline launches for me
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[06:43] <thaytoo> hi bye hi bye :)
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[07:23] <aeyakovenko> how do i use a tee of the command line launcher?
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[07:39] <aeyakovenko> anyone around?
[07:40] <apoc_> aeyakovenko : yep
[07:40] <aeyakovenko> apoc_: do you know how to use a tee from the command line?
[07:41] <apoc_> aeyakovenko : like a demuxer 
[07:41] <aeyakovenko> apoc_: how does that work?
[07:42] <apoc_> aeyakovenko : gst-launch filesrc location=foo.mp3 ! mad | tee name=tee ! { queue ! alsasink } tee. ! { queue ! goom ! xvimagesink }
[07:42] <aeyakovenko> oh i get it
[07:43] <aeyakovenko> cool, thanks
[07:46] <apoc_> aeyakovenko : no problem :)
[07:46] <taaz> please file a bug asking for a tee example to be added to gst-launch man page
[07:47] <aeyakovenko> taaz: there is already a demux one, i should have guessed to try that
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[11:05] Topic changed on #gstreamer by [email protected]: Final 0.8 Releases already done: GStreamer 0.8.0, GStreamer Plugins 0.8.0, GStreamer FFmpeg 0.8.0 , GStreamer Player 0.8.0 - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/
[11:05] Topic changed on #gstreamer by [email protected]: Final 0.8 Releases already done: GStreamer 0.8.0, GStreamer Plugins 0.8.0, GStreamer FFmpeg 0.8.0, GStreamer Player 0.8.0 - http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/
[11:05] <thomasvs> whee
[11:05] <thomasvs> thaytoo: ping ?
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[11:14] <jdahlin> cp: cannot create regular file `gst-plugins-0.8.0.1/common/release.mak': Permission denied
[11:14] <jdahlin> make[1]: *** [distdir] Error 1
[11:14] <jdahlin> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/buildbot/buildbot/gst-plugins/build/gst-plugins-0.8.0.1/_build'
[11:14] <jdahlin> make: *** [distcheck] Error 2
[11:15] <jdahlin> thomasvs: did you see that?
[11:15] <thomasvs> looking at it
[11:15] <thomasvs> also looking at why the top columns are green when the distchecks failed :)
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[11:21] <teuf> thomasvs: stop trolling on /. ;)
[11:21] <thomasvs> teuf: hehe :) it was a valid comment, no ?
[11:21] <thomasvs> teuf: I can't imagine how rb can eat mp3's
[11:22] <teuf> well, it ate a few of my mp3s, but that was because I enabled tag writing when trying to do something else ;)
[11:22] <thomasvs> oh, so it was *your* comment ?
[11:22] <teuf> nope 
[11:22] <teuf> I don't post on slashdot
[11:23] <teuf> I only troll on linufr ;)
[11:23] <teuf> linuxfr
[11:23] <teuf> anyway the mp3s it ate don't matter since I have the audio cd
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[11:35] <KoRnouille> jdahlin: do you have any experiment with PyXML ? This is a little off topic, but #pyhton seems asleep.
[11:35] <KoRnouille> so I just give it a try here
[11:37] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: a little bit, yes
[11:37] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: want a dom or a sax parser?
[11:38] <KoRnouille> okay, Im reading the doc here : http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/howto/node20.html
[11:38] <KoRnouille> dom
[11:38] <KoRnouille> not a parser
[11:38] <KoRnouille> I wanna write xlk
[11:38] <KoRnouille> xml
[11:38] <KoRnouille> it says : We'll start by considering the basic Node class. All the other DOM nodes--Document, Element, Text, and so forth--are subclasses of Node. It's possible to perform many tasks using just the interface provided by Node.
[11:38] <KoRnouille> but where can I find the Node class ?
[11:38] <KoRnouille> import xml.dom ??
[11:39] <KoRnouille> i'd like to create new nodes and all... I'm reading this : http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/howto/node21.html
[11:39] <jdahlin> then you want a dom parser
[11:39] <jdahlin> err
[11:39] <KoRnouille> but how do I get the document.createElement() function ?
[11:39] <jdahlin> why can't you just write it yourself?
[11:39] <jdahlin> like a big string?
[11:40] <KoRnouille> I need to generate XML files for cfg files
[11:40] <teuf> KoRnouille: dom is overkill if you only want to write simple xml files
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[11:40] <jdahlin> print is your friend
[11:41] <KoRnouille> well, I'll be manipulating files later, I really need to get to these functions and methods
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[13:33] <thaytan> yodudes
[13:34] <teuf> hi thaytan
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[14:19] <grub_booter> can someone remind me who i was talking to the other week regarding NLE development with gstreamer? french student iirc
[14:23] <teuf> grub_booter: I think it's bilboed_ who works on NLE (sorry bilboed_ if I'm wrong ;)
[14:23] <grub_booter> thanks - could have been - i have a bad memory :-)
[14:31] Action: teuf never remember irc nicks either
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[14:57] <TomTom67> hi, does anyone know where i can find udpsrc in order to compile rtp plugin
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[15:17] <teuf> TomTom67: it seems to be in gst-plugins/gst/udp
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[15:29] <TomTom67> thx
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[15:57] <danb> jdahlin: in?
[15:57] <jdahlin> danb: yeah
[15:57] <danb> jdahlin: do gstreamer threads mix well with the threading library?
[15:57] <danb> jdahlin: ... in python
[15:57] <jdahlin> danb: I have no idea, haven't tried it yet
[15:58] <jdahlin> which means, probably no
[15:58] <danb> :/
[15:59] <jdahlin> but by any means, feel free to try out
[15:59] <danb> i set gst.STATE_PLAYING on a gst.Thread, and then try to wait() on a threading.Event and i get some kind of unexpected termination
[15:59] <danb> yeah, i am, and having a little trouble
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[16:01] <jdahlin> have you called gst.threads_init() ?
[16:01] <danb> jdahlin: "killed", is what gets sent to the shell
[16:01] <danb> jdahlin: uh...
[16:01] <danb> jdahlin: no. let me try that ;)
[16:03] <danb> jdahlin: yes. still bad
[16:04] <jdahlin> danb: hmm
[16:04] <danb> hmm, time.sleep even crashes it
[16:05] <jdahlin> danb, bad :/
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[16:06] <danb> jdahlin: an empty loop works fine though. like, it plays properly and stops fine after the loop finishes
[16:06] <jdahlin> danb: can you mail me a testcase? [email protected]
[16:07] <danb> jdahlin: sure
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[16:11] <danb> jdahlin: sent
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[16:12] <jdahlin> danb: got it thanks
[16:12] <danb> jdahlin: k
[16:16] <jdahlin> danb: I can also reproduce the crash, I'm looking into it
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[16:18] <danb> jdahlin: k, thanks
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[16:25] <earthworm> are you guys still interested in mp3's that wont play on 0.6.x ?
[16:26] <Misirlou> earthworm: Hellooooo! Only ones that won't play on 0.8.0. :)
[16:27] <earthworm> hello mate
[16:27] <earthworm> how goes things with the fedora rpms ?
[16:27] <earthworm> i can test it if they are out
[16:29] <earthworm> http://www.freedesktop.org/~gstreamer/download/fedora.html
[16:29] <earthworm> :)
[16:30] <thomasvs> earthworm: yep
[16:30] <thomasvs> earthworm: please test it, and let me know what works and what doesn't
[16:31] <earthworm> ok, will do mate
[16:31] <earthworm> wicked, up to date gst at last
[16:31] <earthworm> when did you eventually get done?
[16:32] <earthworm> hold one, is this going to install along side 0.6.x ?
[16:32] <danb> jdahlin: manually iterating a pipeline inside a threading.Thread seems to work...
[16:32] <thomasvs> earthworm: it is going to upgrade your existing one, but also install 0.6 compat packages
[16:32] <thomasvs> earthworm: so you should have everything
[16:33] <thomasvs> earthworm: just let me know if something is not clear, or if something doesn't seem to be right
[16:33] <earthworm> ok, cool, as long as rhythmbox keeps going
[16:33] Action: earthworm gets ready for yum update goodness
[16:34] <jdahlin> danb: you need to call gst.main()
[16:34] <jdahlin> danb: in the main thread
[16:34] <danb> hmm
[16:34] <Misirlou> Is taaz working on his 0.8.0 packages?
[16:34] <danb> jdahlin: where, exactly?
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[16:35] <jdahlin> danb: instead of waiting for the other thread to exit
[16:35] <earthworm> wow, yum is having a right old think about this update
[16:36] <danb> jdahlin: interesting. why?
[16:37] <earthworm> .....Unable to satisfy dependencies
[16:37] <earthworm> Package gstreamer-plugins-mp3 needs gstreamer-plugins = 0.6.4, this is not available.
[16:37] <jdahlin> danb: I'm not completely sure, some events are not sent correctly unless
[16:37] <earthworm> get rid of gstreamer-plugins-mp3 ?
[16:38] <danb> jdahlin: ok. i'll work with that then
[16:38] <danb> jdahlin: thanks
[16:41] <thomasvs> earthworm: yep, lose it.
[16:41] <thomasvs> earthworm: it's included anyway in the others.
[16:41] <jdahlin> danb: I found another bug :-)
[16:41] <earthworm> cool
[16:41] <jdahlin> danb: but anyway, that's the way it's supposed to be, I guess
[16:41] <thomasvs> and it works fine here with my old rb
[16:42] <earthworm> i can test the broken mp3 with gst-player, not tried that before so that will be cool anyway
[16:42] <danb> jdahlin: in my code or yours?
[16:50] <jdahlin> danb: in gst-python
[16:50] <jdahlin> I guess that makes it mine
[16:51] <danb> jdahlin: hehe
[16:51] <danb> jdahlin: should i upgrade? ;)
[16:52] <jdahlin> danb: not yet
[16:52] <danb> k
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[17:27] <kwm> RUNNING pipeline ...
[17:27] <kwm> ERROR: from element /pipeline0/thread0/spider0: There is no element present to handle the stream's mime type video/x-divx.
[17:28] <kwm> gst-typefind says its "video/x-msvideo"
[17:29] <kwm> I have trouble playing a lot of avi files, most get an error as the one above
[17:30] <thomasvs> kwm: what pipeline did you give for the first error ?
[17:31] <thomasvs> ie, for playing avi files ?
[17:31] <kwm> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location="Initial D Extra Stage.avi" ! avidemux name=demux ! { queue ! spider ! ffmpegcolorspace ! xvimagesink } { demux. ! queue ! spider ! esdsink }
[17:31] <kwm> I'm using gst-launch-ext-0.8 to build the pipeline
[17:32] <thomasvs> kwm: gst-launch-ext and friends are for debugging, not for playback
[17:32] <thomasvs> in your case, you are using spider in the output paths, you should try using it where you put the demuxer right now
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[18:24] <Manny> hi
[18:24] <Manny> I'd like to volunteer for GNOME library porting
[18:25] <Manny> thomasvs: you're the guy who I should contact, according to http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/tasks/gnome.html#libgnomeify
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[18:27] <thomasvs> Manny: ugh, I'm going to kill uraeus for putting my name htere :)
[18:27] <thomasvs> Manny: what do you want to know ?
[18:28] <Manny> thomasvs: uhm whether you have experience with that code. Are there many public functions that need to be retained?
[18:29] <Manny> oh, I shouldn't ask this. I have my headers, they tell me everything :)
[18:29] <Manny> looks like I can replace much of the gnome-sound beast
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[18:31] <Manny> thomasvs: gnome_sound_init(const char *hostname) @hostname: Hostname where esd daemon resides. Can I somehow "emulate" this with esd?
[18:32] <Manny> i.e. can I do something like esd_open_sound? Do you know the esd API?
[18:33] <BBB> what do you want to do?
[18:33] Action: BBB doesn't know the tasks
[18:33] <thomasvs> Manny: well, personally I think the whole concept of that task should be discussed on gnome-multimedia
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[18:34] <thomasvs> Manny: christian added that task, but there are bigger issues to solve first.
[18:34] <Manny> ok, which ones should I handle first? :)
[18:34] <Manny> I'm really highly interested in this
[18:34] <BBB> why thomas?
[18:35] <BBB> this is fun :)
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[18:36] <BBB> manny: why 
[18:36] <BBB> er
[18:36] <BBB> why esd?
[18:36] <BBB> esd is evil
[18:36] <BBB> :)
[18:36] Action: thomasvs is replying to the audio braindump thread with his ideas
[18:36] <thomasvs> Manny: are you on that list ?
[18:37] <Manny> no, not yet
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[18:38] Action: BBB has +/- 5 emails on his laptop
[18:38] <BBB> but evolution refuses to start up
[18:38] <BBB> so I cannot send them
[18:38] <BBB> :/
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[18:44] <BBB> bbl
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[18:45] <thomasvs> Manny: well, subscribe to it, and read the archive, for the recent audio braindump thread
[18:45] <Manny> yes, I'm currently reading it :)
[18:46] <Manny> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-multimedia/2004-March/msg00032.html <-- that guy is right
[18:46] <Manny> "You've just said you want to drop ESD. Then drop it!"
[18:47] <thomasvs> read my reply :)
[18:49] <Manny> my dream of a sound system is that there are unobtrusive nice samples. GNOME starts, you hear Beethoven's "Fuer Elise", which rocks.
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[18:49] <Manny> a smooth midi or such that fades out after some secs
[18:50] <Manny> win32 introduced this, it is simply nice
[18:50] <Manny> and we need audio feedback for clicking things
[18:53] <thomasvs> yep
[18:53] <thomasvs> that's why I think we shouldn't ditch esd per se
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[19:10] <Manny> thomasvs: maybe porting GNOME-CD is appropriate for me
[19:10] <Manny> I want something that gives me an in-depth view on Gst
[19:10] <Manny> although I'll most probably just copy code structure over from RB and friends
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[19:11] <thomasvs> Manny: porting gnome-cd is a good idea, yeah.
[19:11] <thomasvs> it's not completely gst-ish, though.
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[19:23] <Uraeus> hi hello
[19:23] <jdahlin> hello Uraeus
[19:23] Action: Uraeus just back from Bergen
[19:24] <Misirlou> thomasvs, Manny: There is a patch in the Bugzilla that adds GStreamer and Paranoia support to CD Player.
[19:25] <Misirlou> I added it from another bug, cleaned it up, but I did not write it originally.
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[19:26] <Misirlou> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51152
[19:26] <thomasvs> Misirlou: can it play without using cdparanoia ?
[19:27] <Misirlou> thomasvs: dunno, I never tried building it
[19:27] <Misirlou> I don't even know C. :)
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[19:29] <Misirlou> thomasvs: It really needs your autotools love . . .
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[19:29] <thomasvs> Misirlou: heh, will do one time
[19:29] <thomasvs> Misirlou: so, you cleaned up a patch and you didn't build it ?
[19:29] <thomasvs> you're not scared ?
[19:30] <Misirlou> The only clean-ups I did were cosmetic.
[19:30] <Misirlou> (I hope!)
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[19:32] <Misirlou> It apparently built for Iain Holmes.
[19:35] <Uraeus> thomasvs: did you see this: http://advogato.org/person/pphaneuf/diary.html?start=164
[19:44] <thomasvs> Uraeus: did you see this: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/download/fedora.html
[19:54] <Uraeus> thomasvs: beautiful :)
[19:54] <Uraeus> thomasvs: do the stuff this guy talk about have any interest for us?
[19:54] <thomasvs> Uraeus: well, don't know what to make of that entry, it's pretty vague.
[19:54] <thomasvs> Uraeus: not immediately, no.
[19:54] <thomasvs> Uraeus: we don't have any different problems than other projects, we just need to learn how to do it properly, and we're learning that quite well.
[19:55] <dilinger> fedora uses apt?
[19:56] <Misirlou> dilinger: It can use APT-RPM.
[19:56] <Misirlou> . . . Which is probably a hack.
[19:56] <dilinger> but as a default?  how does yum compare to apt on it?  and why don't they just give in and start working on debian?
[19:56] Action: Misirlou runs
[19:56] <dilinger> well, i've used apt on redhat, it works well
[19:57] <dilinger> i'm suprised that they encourage it, though
[19:58] <Misirlou> dilinger: I guess they just like bending over for Red Hat.
[19:58] Action: Misirlou starts running again
[20:00] <Uraeus> yum seems much slower and more cumbersome than apt
[20:02] <thomasvs> dilinger: fedora doesn't use or encourage use of apt
[20:02] <thomasvs> dilinger: that doesn't mean much to the users of fedora though, who happily use apt if they want to
[20:06] <dilinger> ah
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[20:37] <Uraeus> thomasvs: you are agressive on the mailing list que approval :)
[20:42] <thomasvs> Uraeus: yeah, it needs to keep rolling
[20:42] <thomasvs> later people
[20:42] <Uraeus> thomasvs: night
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[20:45] <mxpxpod> are there any special flags I should know about in configuring gst-ffmpeg?
[20:46] <Uraeus> mxpxpod: I think the clue is not to turn on all optimizations :)
[20:46] <mxpxpod> heh, ok
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[21:11] <ds-work> Company: we need to fixor audioconvert
[21:12] <ds-work> Company: probably by splitting it into separate elements
[21:12] <ds-work> but also leaving audioconvert as a combo element
[21:13] <taaz> ds-work: oh caps master, mpeg2dec could use some 422 loving.
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[21:23] <ds-work> Uraeus: could you change the default version in bugzilla from 0.3.3 to 0.8.0?
[21:26] <ds-work> Uraeus: er, nm
[21:32] <ds-work> does anyone know if jacksink works?
[21:34] <Misirlou> jacksink and jillsink went up the hill to fetch a src of water . . .
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[22:03] <ds-work> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124966
[22:04] <ds-work> thomasvs: could you pong that bug?
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[22:08] <ds-work> sound-juicer still uses 0.6?
[22:09] <ds-work> nm
[22:10] <thomasvs> ds-work: are we planning a release anytime soon or do we see first how 0.8 pans out ?
[22:11] <ds-work> thomasvs: you mean, do we want 0.8.1 for GNOME?
[22:12] <thomasvs> ds-work: no, just in general.
[22:12] <thomasvs> if we want to hold off releases for like a week or two
[22:12] <thomasvs> so we get consistent bug reports we can work on
[22:12] <thomasvs> we're not commiting much anyway atm
[22:12] <ds-work> I think we should release every two weeks or so
[22:12] <thomasvs> yeah, I agree, but maybe not at the start
[22:13] <ds-work> after the GNOME release, I'm going to commit a bunch of string changes/fixes
[22:13] <ds-work> then we can let the translators do their stuff
[22:13] <ds-work> and then we can release
[22:13] <ds-work> so lets plan for march 22 + 2 weeks
[22:14] <taaz> put a roadmap on the website
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[22:14] <ds-work> taaz: when should I say that the .debs will be done?
[22:14] <taaz> Asap 1st, 2004
[22:15] <taaz> speaking of strings... what package are the locale files in gst-plugins assocaited with?  are those for all the plugins or just libs or what?
[22:16] <ds-work> everything
[22:16] <taaz> wonderful
[22:17] <taaz> not sure what deb they go in... i'll guess i'll punt the problem and use the libs package
[22:18] <taaz> or maybe there's a better way.  hmm.
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[22:21] <earthworm> anyone of you lads know of a drum machine or multi track program based on gstreamer?
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[22:27] <ct_> Uraeus: hey dude
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[22:42] <thomasvs> taaz: just the base package is fine
[22:43] <thomasvs> taaz: working with more than one translation domain is strongly discouraged in general
[22:43] <taaz> what base package?
[22:43] <thomasvs> taaz: of gst-plugins
[22:43] <taaz> what base package? ;)
[22:44] <thomasvs> you don't have one base package for gst-plugins ?
[22:44] <taaz> didn't need one.  what would go in it?
[22:44] <thomasvs> README, ChangeLog,  basic plugins, translations ?
[22:45] <taaz> readme and changelog are in all packages, basic plugins go in -misc, didn't have translations before
[22:45] <taaz> i'm willing to change this.  no one ever suggests anything significantly better than the mess that exists now.
[22:46] <thomasvs> I put a bunch of thoughts on packaging in cvs though
[22:46] <taaz> i read your doc on rpm packaging.  i'm not sure i agree with that methodology.  
[22:46] <thomasvs> I'm not sure either :)
[22:46] <thomasvs> but it's been discusses with a whole bunch of people
[22:46] <thomasvs> in the end it doesn't matter that much, as long as there are provides of some kind people can pull in
[22:47] <taaz> packaging systems don't deal too well with plugin-based architectures
[22:48] <ds-work> we may need to revive the idea of having a plugin locator
[22:48] <ds-work> since we now have several plugin packages
[22:49] <ds-work> "The video format "blah" requires the "foo" plugin, which part of the "bar" package"
[22:50] <taaz> or at least a message pointing to gstreamer.net/registry/ or something that knows such answers
[22:51] <ds-work> or googling for +gstreamer +plugin +video/x-msvideo :)
[22:52] Action: ds-work somehow hoped that clearing 0.6 bugs would decrease the bug list more drastically
[22:53] <ds-work> thomasvs: there's no way to get to the gstreamer-0.8.0 download page on the website
[22:53] <thomasvs> ds-work: uh ?
[22:54] <ds-work> er, nm.  the "older news" seems to have fixed itself
[22:54] <thomasvs> ds-work: for example, modules/gstreamer/, then click source
[22:54] <thomasvs> the "older news" fixed itself, or the pebcak ?
[22:55] <ds-work> yesterday, the older news didn't have the gstreamer-0.8.0 release
[22:55] <thomasvs> hm, strange
[22:55] <thomasvs> how do  Itell my proxy to not be stupid and download files again for me when I changed them online ?
[22:55] <ds-work> btw, download/ should probably point to the source
[22:55] <thomasvs> yeah, it will
[22:55] <thomasvs> I didn't have time left to write that today
[22:56] <thomasvs> and I'm leaving tomorrow
[22:56] <thomasvs> feel free to add it :)
[22:56] <ds-work> are we planning to host binary packages anymore?
[22:56] <thomasvs> sure
[22:56] <thomasvs> I'm hosting fedora pkgs online
[22:56] <ds-work> why aren't they part of fedora?
[22:57] <thomasvs> they are
[22:57] <thomasvs> we provide updates
[22:57] <thomasvs> and stuff they don't provide
[22:57] <thomasvs> I prepare them for submission into the "alternative" addon fedora repo
[22:57] <thomasvs> and I host them on our site so people can get at them before they are accepted
[22:57] <ds-work> ah
[22:58] <taaz> is there a location to host debian packages?
[22:58] <ds-work> taaz: sid :)
[22:58] <thomasvs> taaz: yeah, there is
[22:59] <thomasvs> pkg/debian if you want
[22:59] <thomasvs> but make sure I'm around when meddling with the data/ dir, so stuff doesn't get lost
[22:59] <ds-work> do we have the plugin status table anymore?
[23:00] <thomasvs> no, it was outdated
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[23:00] <thomasvs> I have plans of coupling the media test suite to some xml output
[23:00] <thomasvs> then do xslt on it
[23:00] <thomasvs> will fit nicely in the site
[23:01] <thomasvs> that way we get some sensible plugin status
[23:01] <taaz> heh walters, /.ed rb, good job ;)
[23:01] <walters> ah
[23:01] Action: walters is still reintegrating with the internet
[23:02] <taaz> walters: i'll have some 0.8.0 debs Real Soon Now.  are 0.7.x rb debs just waiting on that?
[23:02] <walters> ah
[23:02] <walters> well i don't plan to upload 0.7.x to debian
[23:03] <taaz> not even to experimental?
[23:03] <walters> maybe
[23:03] <taaz> some of us are too lazy to compile it from source ;)
[23:03] <walters> heh
[23:04] <ds-work> some of us make fewer mistakes when reporting bugs from known packages
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[23:09] <mathrick> wassup
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[23:26] <camh> how can you find out what pipeline spider has constructed via gst-launch?
[23:26] <mathrick> camh: you acn't
[23:27] <mathrick> s/acn't/can't/
[23:27] <ds-work> camh: you can guess by using -v
[23:27] <ds-work> but it doesn't tell you the order
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[23:27] <ds-work> you can also use --gst-debug=spider:2, I think
[23:28] <camh> ds-work: aha, i was using --gst-debug=spider=2
[23:39] <Uraeus> ds-work: do you have something like SVG filters in Flash?
[23:40] Action: Uraeus starts to wonder if he already asked ds that question a couple of days ago
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[23:50] <ds-work> Uraeus: huh?
[23:50] <ds-work> describe
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[23:52] <ds-work> wheels: what's the plan for KDE migrating to 0.8?
[23:53] <wheels> ds-work: how do you mean?
[23:53] <wheels> ds-work: the bindings?
[23:53] <ds-work> and juk
[23:53] <ds-work> juk mainly
[23:53] <wheels> ds-work: Well, the bindings have to come first.  :-)
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[23:54] <Uraeus> ds-work: in SVG you have filters like Gaussian Blur which is actually applied on the generated bitmap, is that also done in flash?
[23:54] <wheels> ds-work: I don't think Tim is interested in maintaining the bindings anymore which means I'll probably have to do it.
[23:54] <wheels> ds-work: So hopefully I'll have time for it over the easter weekend...
[23:54] <ds-work> wheels: how is kdegst different from gstmm?
[23:55] <Uraeus> wheels: markey is using the bindings too right?
[23:55] Action: wheels has been out of town too much lately for anything that takes a few day of work...
[23:55] <wheels> Uraeus: Actually I think he used the C API.
[23:55] <wheels> Uraeus: But I haven't looked at the code.
[23:55] Action: wheels checks
[23:55] <ds-work> Uraeus: no, except in a very limited sense
[23:55] <wheels> ds-work: never looked at GST MM.
[23:56] <Uraeus> ds-work: ah, cause I was wondering if all the filters they made for librsvg could be reused for libswfdec somewhow
[23:56] <wheels> ds-work: But the bindings are important for political reasons...
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[23:56] <Uraeus> one difference is that the kdegst bindings actually work, not so sure the gstmm ones ever did :)
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[23:57] <iain> whatever happened to gst#?
[23:57] <Uraeus> wheels: btw, we have a Juk crash in Gstreamer bugzilla, but I think it is a crasher caused by 0.6's general issues with bad mp3's
[23:58] <Uraeus> iain: think its operative, I think Jorn use the bindings for Muine
[23:59] <wheels> Uraeus: probably one that I closed as "report it to the Gst guys -- the crash isn't in JuK"  :-)
[00:00] --- Fri Mar 19 2004
[00:00] <wheels> Uraeus: ds-work: Well, and also -- comparatively -- if you're going to mess with C++ bindings there's a more significant user base for Qt based stuff...
[00:02] <Uraeus> wheels: no worry, I am to busy messing with autotools stuff to mess with anything else ;)
[00:03] <thomasvs> Uraeus: you better not be messing with gst autotools stuff :)
[00:03] <wheels> Uraeus: Oh, I wasn't suggesting you doing it.  :-)
[00:03] <Uraeus> thomasvs: no, librsvg autotools stuff atm :)
[00:03] <wheels> Uraeus: You don't think I want a GNOME working on a Qt API do you?  :-P
[00:03] <mathrick> mxpxpod: did you bring gstmm to operable state? or just compilable?
[00:03] <Uraeus> wheels: if you like perferction.... :)
[00:04] <Uraeus> ok, time for me to sleep, night guys :)
[00:04] <mxpxpod> mathrick: haven't touched it in a while
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[00:04] <mathrick> mxpxpod: yea, I know, but back then?
[00:04] Action: wheels *should* have time over easter...  planning an all weekend "hack-in"  :-)
[00:04] <mxpxpod> mathrick: it worked
[00:05] <mathrick> mxpxpod: k, that's good :)
[00:05] Action: wheels grunts -- only been home for 2 of the last 6 weekends...
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[00:29] <Company> ds-work: what's wrong with audioconvert?
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[00:32] Action: sxpert is away: time to go to bed... going to work tomorrow...
[00:38] <ds-work> Company: see iain's mail
[00:39] <ds-work> Company: it doesn't work well when you aren't looking for a universal pipe fitting
[00:39] <Company> i'll look at my mail tomorrow :)
[00:40] <Company> i need something to do at work ;)
[00:44] <iain> ds-work: was my mail okay, I actually forgot most of what we'd "discussed"
[00:45] <ds-work> iain: it made sense
[00:45] <iain> ok
[00:46] <ds-work> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137556
[00:46] <ds-work> same bug
[00:48] <Company> that's a fixation problem
[00:49] <ds-work> not quite
[00:49] <ds-work> it's a case that fixation can't solve
[00:49] <ds-work> because you want audioconvert to convert as little as possible
[00:49] <ds-work> not merely pick the best format
[00:50] <Company> so what do you want to do?
[00:50] <Company> you can't seperate it into many different elements, every autoplugger will just pick the one with the hightest rank that fits
[00:51] Action: ds-work wonders if this has to do with using gst_pad_try_set_caps_nonfixed()
[00:51] <Company> the only thing you could do is write a fixation function for audioconvert that looks at the other pad
[00:52] <Company> yeah, it has to do with that
[00:52] <Company> but removing that function won't solve the underlying problem
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[00:53] <thomasvs> well, iain's request is valid, no ?
[00:53] <thomasvs> if a file has two channels, there should be a way to get those two channels out
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[00:53] <thomasvs> and if it's one, it should be possible to get one.
[00:54] <thomasvs> not just have two when there's one, or one when there's two, or eight when there's one :)
[00:54] <thomasvs> tell me when to shut up btw :)
[00:54] <spyder482> omg
[00:54] Action: spyder482 wonders what thomasvs is speaking in circles about
[00:55] <Company> the underlif that were so easy, i'd do just that
[00:55] <Company> (paste error)
[00:55] <Company> if that were so easy, i'd do just that
[00:55] <thomasvs> yeah, I know
[00:55] <thomasvs> I'm not saying it's easy, I know that our generic model makes it harder :)
[00:56] <Company> the problem is that a converter gets an input "X" and has the output possibilities A, B, C
[00:56] <thomasvs> I'm just saying, we should figure out what to change to make this possible
[00:56] <Company> what should it output?
[00:56] <thomasvs> because, in theory, audioconvert could make 59 channel audio from 2 channel if it wanted to.
[00:56] <thomasvs> in my mind, something that is "as similar as possible to"
[00:56] <thomasvs> ie, with the least amount of difference
[00:56] <Company> yeah
[00:56] <thomasvs> a bit hard to quantify though
[00:56] <Company> now to define "similar" :)
[00:56] <thomasvs> yeah, exactly
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[00:57] <thomasvs> but there must be a way to figure that out
[00:57] <Company> it's hard
[00:57] <Company> imagine you get 2 channel float in
[00:57] <thomasvs> to me it currently seems the problem is this
[00:57] <Company> and valid output is 2 channel 16bit int or 1 channel float
[00:57] <thomasvs> audioconvert fixates to 1 because it doesn't have any other constraints anywhere
[00:58] Nick change: mxpxpod -> mx|gone
[00:58] <thomasvs> for example, because the core choses to start fixating in the middle of the pipe
[00:58] <Company> yeah
[00:58] <thomasvs> if fixating would work from the outside to the inside ...
[00:58] <thomasvs> ... it would first have the decoder try to fixate
[00:58] <thomasvs> the decoder KNOWS it's two channel
[00:58] <thomasvs> so the question is really
[00:58] <thomasvs> how do we get the fixate function to figure out the info that is there in some other part of the pipeline
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[00:59] <Company> anyway
[00:59] <Company> should audioconvert stereo float to stereo int or mono float?
[01:00] <Company> since that question cannot ultimately be answered (i can construct worse combinations ;)) it's not really possible to solve this
[01:02] <ds-work> audioconvert should probably not do mono/stereo conversion
[01:03] <ds-work> since that's something that is a fundamentally different conversion
[01:03] <Company> hm
[01:03] <ds-work> everything else audioconvert does is format-related
[01:03] <Company> that doesn't solve my question either
[01:04] <Company> it just puts it to another level - element selection
[01:05] <Company> and keep in mind that spider only tries the highest ranked converter
[01:05] <ds-work> for gstplay, it doesn't matter
[01:05] <iain> IMO in you float/mono or int/stereo surely that is a case where you do know what you want...
[01:05] <iain> you'd then filter the caps to be either float or int, and then the answer is simple
[01:06] <Company> yeah
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[01:06] <Company> but that works with audioconvert, too - use a custom fixation function ;)
[01:06] <iain> not in my case
[01:07] <iain> because I can't get how many channels are coming out of spider
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[01:07] <Company> right
[01:07] <Company> we need a better autoplugger first
[01:08] <ds-work> s/first//
[01:08] <iain> no, because if I swap spider for mad, I still can't get how many channels are coming out of mad
[01:09] Action: Company has holidays next week
[01:09] <Company> but i'm not going to tell anyone :p
[01:11] Action: ds-work fixes audioconvert locally so he doesn't get annoyed by listening to mono music
[01:12] <Company> you could add a fixation proxy to spideridentity, too :p
[01:12] <Company> (and to volume, probably)
[01:12] <ds-work> that won't help
[01:12] <Company> it should
[01:12] <Company> because that would proxy osssinks fixation
[01:12] <iain> ds-work: ohhh I want the patch...
[01:13] <ds-work> http://www.schleef.org/~ds/patch
[01:14] <ds-work> why is audioconvert's negotiation one-directional?
[01:15] <iain> thanks :)
[01:15] <Company> one-directional?
[01:15] <ds-work> if (pad == this->src && !gst_pad_is_negotiated (this->sink))
[01:15] <ds-work>      return GST_PAD_LINK_DELAYED;
[01:16] <Company> that might be a hack from shortly after the caps merge
[01:16] <Company> that i forgot to remove
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[01:25] <iain> ds-work: yey, your patch works :)
[01:25] <iain> now to fix deinterleave so it splits the channels correctly
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[01:27] <dennis-> hey folks
[01:28] <ds-work> which brave developer wants to add autoplugger hints to elements?
[01:28] <dennis-> anyone here using ruby-gstreamer?
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[01:29] <Company> autoplugger-hints?
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[01:33] <ds-work> i.e., which part of the caps that a given element modifies
[01:33] <Company> eek
[01:34] <Company> it's interesting that people can't hear 8/16bit differences
[01:37] <Company> if i concentrate on it, i can hear it
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[01:38] <ds-work> you're kidding, right?
[01:40] <sgf> I suppose it depends on if you have some really crap speakers.
[01:41] <ds-work> gst-launch-0.8 sinesrc ! audioconvert ! audio/x-raw-int, depth=8, width=8 ! osssink -v
[01:41] <ds-work> it sounds like crap
[01:42] <ds-work> I don't even need good speakers to identify that
[01:42] <sgf> They do make some surprisingly rubbish speakers. :)
[01:43] <sgf> The 8-bit stuff tends to be done at low sample-rates, so I don't think I've ever done a fair comparison between 8 and 16 bit. I imagine it sucks, though.
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[02:28] <thomasvs> everyone can hear the difference between 8 bit and 16 bit
[02:28] <thomasvs> your noise floor is at -43 dB of full volume
[02:28] <thomasvs> erhm, 48
[02:28] <thomasvs> that's very very audible
[02:29] Action: hyriand seconds that, except for the technical details of which he's not really aware
[02:32] <taaz> ds-work: do you know how to disable the swf moz plugin from the swf-player debian package without just removing the whole package?
[02:33] <ds-work> rm /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libmozswfdec.so
[02:35] <taaz> its lack of interactivity is just too bothersome at times.  hint hint ;)
[02:35] <ds-work> blah blah
[02:35] <ds-work> stand in line
[02:35] <ds-work> like, behind rms
[02:36] <taaz> and while in line, write some patches
[02:46] <bilboed_> grub_booter: what did you want to know about the NLE ?
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