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[03:00] <Company> hahaha
[03:01] <Company> Novell trying to unify GNome and KDE
[03:01] <Company> that's like announcing to unify perl and python
[03:01] <Company> or vi and emacs
[03:09] <Company> BBB: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/media/large/Silbermond.-.machs.dir.selbst.wmv
[03:09] <BBB> k, getting it
[03:09] Action: BBB fixed bastien's video
[03:09] <BBB> mulawdec appears broken
[03:09] Action: BBB won't fix stuff tonight
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[03:09] <Company> np
[03:09] <BBB> thanks :)
[03:09] <Company> i'll use the hilton video for testing ;)
[03:10] <BBB> I'm sure it'll break
[03:10] <BBB> like show bush' face or so
[03:10] <Company> in fact i'll download another one until I found one i can test with
[03:11] <Company> britneys toxic had bad A/V sync (which was the reason i asked earlier)
[03:14] <BBB> that's on purpose
[03:14] <BBB> I hate britney ;)
[03:14] <Company> shit
[03:14] <Company> hard disk broken
[03:14] <Company> i hope it's the one that had issues a year or so ago
[03:20] <Company> what utility do i use to check a harddisk for bad sectors?
[03:20] <ds-work> badblocks
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[03:24] <BBB> dammit
[03:25] <BBB> Company: your video exposes ffmpeg bugs similar to ffdec_mpeg1video
[03:25] <BBB> we need a newer ffmpeg snapshots, that was fixed one day after our snpashot date
[03:25] <BBB> but thomasvs won't explain me how to do that ;)
[03:26] <Company> the dump version i'd do is checkout ffmpeg and copy the mfiles over
[03:26] <Company> or do a diff and apply that diff to the mirror
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[03:30] <BBB> Company: nah...
[03:30] <BBB> Company: we have some sophisticated method
[03:30] <BBB> just one thing: thomasvs made it so sophisticated that I don't understand it at all
[03:30] <BBB> (grmbl)
[03:30] <Company> that sounds a lot like the clocking subsystem ;)
[03:31] <Misirlou> BBB: How can you hate Britney???
[03:34] <BBB> that's not so hard
[03:34] <BBB> Company: well, at least _someone_ documented it
[03:35] <Company> yeah, that thing was excellent
[03:35] <Company> badblocks should output how far it's along
[03:35] <Company> this is boring
[03:36] <BBB> martin soto is cool... too bad he's not telling us all the things he's doing ;)
[03:36] <Company> he should get himself an irc client :)
[03:37] <BBB> yes
[03:42] <thaytoo> that'd be good
[03:49] <Company> my drive has bad blocks :(
[03:50] <Company> now, who sells drives that don'T go bad these days?
[03:50] <thaytoo> I've been happy with every Seagate I've ever bought
[03:51] <BBB> maxtor works for me, too
[03:51] <Company> i know of 2 seagates having gone bad (that was 8 years ago though)
[03:51] <BBB> and I have a seagate too
[03:52] <BBB> I love my maxtor one
[03:52] <BBB> it's very quiet, I don't hear it at all, and it's fairly fast
[03:52] <BBB> slightly faster than the seagate
[03:52] <BBB> both 72kRPM
[03:52] <BBB> on the same cable
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[04:10] <Misirlou> We are sending a clear message that downloading or sharing music [&] undermines the creative future of music itself, RIAA president Cary Sherman said.
[04:11] <BBB> bla bla bla bla bla
[04:11] <BBB> we are sending a clear music that we have no clue how people can ever get in touch with new music if we shut down all their sites, so let's do that
[04:12] <Misirlou> blah blah bla blah blah
[04:12] <Misirlou> blah blah I have no discernable genitalia blah blah blah
[04:12] <BBB> *g*
[04:14] Action: Misirlou contacts his local public officers AGAIN
[04:14] Action: BBB needs more confirmed bug reports
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[04:30] Action: ds needs bugzilla
[04:32] Action: Company needs a harddrive
[04:33] Action: taaz need to figure out this arts crap
[04:33] <taaz> needs too
[04:34] <taaz> where is a kde+debian channel i could ask in?
[04:34] <Company> why does reiserfsck not run on mounted filesystems?
[04:37] Action: BBB loads his full /media folder in RB to test
[04:38] Action: BBB also notes he can playback while loading
[04:38] <BBB> lovely
[04:38] <BBB> is this gst-based?
[04:38] Action: BBB doesn't believe it
[04:38] <bitshifter> BBB: it's probably a bug
[04:38] <BBB> Segmentation fault
[04:38] Action: BBB was waiting for that
[04:39] <Company> gst always allowed for multiple pipelines at once
[04:39] <Company> tsk tsk tsk
[04:40] <BBB> that's a conincidence that it works
[04:41] <Company> it's intended
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[04:41] <Company> but it might be a coincidence nonetheless ;)
[04:41] <BBB> d'oh
[04:41] Action: BBB starts ith basicghtread and notes that stuff works now
[04:41] <BBB> """how surprising"""
[04:42] <Company> spider does work with basicgthread?
[04:42] <Company> and i always thought basic didn't allow plugging playing elements
[04:42] <BBB> it has worked for months with totem :)
[04:43] <Company> indeed
[04:43] <Company> weee, no more bad blocks
[04:43] <BBB> unfortunately, my shortcut had to be changed
[04:43] <Company> but I still feel a bit iffy that everything is broken after I did some dd of=/dev/hda7 ...
[04:43] <ds> why doesn't GstPlay work with video-only movies?
[04:44] <BBB> ds: ask dolphy? :)
[04:44] <BBB> it's costed me quite some efforts to get fluendo to reply to anything lately
[04:44] <Company> GstPlay is broken because it's too complicated
[04:45] <Company> so i never look at it
[04:45] <BBB> hm...
[04:45] <BBB> I don't care
[04:45] <BBB> I just use it
[04:45] <BBB> and report bugs with non-working movires
[04:45] <BBB> fix those myself if it's element bugs
[04:46] <BBB> or assign them to dolphy and bug him endlessly to fix 'em
[04:46] Action: BBB also changed the pipeline slightly to get rid of all the switch crap
[04:47] <BBB> ERROR        oggdemux( 9704) gstoggdemux.c(559):gst_ogg_demux_chain:<oggdemux111> unknown serial 348369460
[04:47] <BBB> was is tdas?
[04:47] <Company> that's an unknown serial
[04:48] <BBB> talking about a nice memleak
[04:48] <BBB> it creates new elements for each load
[04:48] <BBB> but...
[04:48] <BBB> it doesn't desotry them, I'm affraid! :D
[04:48] <Company> circular references with the scheduler i think
[04:49] <Company> use basicomega to find out - that one only allows creating 8 elements ;)
[04:49] <BBB> :X
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[04:51] <ds> BBB: can you give me the link for the buggy .movs again?
[04:52] <BBB> I don't have them
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[04:53] <taaz> the #kde folks don't seem to be jumping to help me.  some lack of response i see in #gstreamer.
[04:53] <taaz> does anyone even care if there is a debian arts package?  i certainly don't.
[04:53] <Company> just don't ship an arts plugin and see who complains ;)
[04:54] <BBB> ds: ask ureaus, once again
[04:54] <BBB> ds: I have no space to upload them to
[04:54] <taaz> if it was easy to just remove packages i would.  but that is frowned upon by debian archive people
[04:54] <BBB> unless company tells me the scp command now
[04:54] <BBB> :)
[04:54] <taaz> or at least the adding back part is
[04:57] <Company> BBB: scp filename [email protected]:home/projects/gstreamer/www/data/media/large
[04:57] <dilinger> taaz: it's not your fault their maintenance scripts aren't smart enough to handle package additions/deletions intelligently ;)
[04:58] Action: BBB loves the auto-authentication
[04:58] <BBB> ds: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/media/large/castaway.mov, will be there in a sec
[05:03] Action: Company goes to bed
[05:03] <BBB> help!
[05:03] <BBB> RB only plays ten seconds
[05:03] Action: BBB freaks out
[05:03] <BBB> who did this horror?!?
[05:04] <Company> use another scheduler!
[05:04] <Company> ;)
[05:04] <BBB> no
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[05:04] <BBB> n
[05:04] <ds> 403 forbidden
[05:04] <BBB> where is the setting?
[05:04] <BBB> ds: will fix in a sec
[05:04] <BBB> Company: please!
[05:04] <BBB> this is horrible
[05:04] <BBB> my music collection is being cut off at my very eyes!
[05:04] <BBB> hm
[05:04] <BBB> actually
[05:04] <BBB> it's only for one album
[05:04] <BBB> why?
[05:04] Action: BBB wonders
[05:05] <Company> -EINBED
[05:05] <BBB> :'(
[05:05] Action: BBB files bug
[05:06] <dilinger> RB's new opinionate AI feature?
[05:08] <BBB> I suppose
[05:09] <ds> we don't handle qdm2, do we
[05:09] <BBB> we do
[05:09] <BBB> at least, qtdemux has caps for it
[05:09] <BBB> so does docs/random/mimetypes & co
[05:09] <ds> no decoder, though
[05:09] <BBB> xine...
[05:10] <Company> ds: --enable-xine and expect a/some segfaults ;)
[05:10] <BBB> pff...
[05:11] <BBB> ds: try agian
[05:12] <BBB> (the castaway.mov)
[05:12] <Company> it's the only reason I wrapped xine - I wanted qdm2 without needing to wrap a win dll
[05:12] <Company> so i wrapped xine instead
[05:12] <BBB> oh my god
[05:13] <Company> turns out sine isn't as nice as gstreamer so it doesn't work easily
[05:13] <BBB> rip out their f*cking dll loading code if you really want it
[05:13] <Company> i don't
[05:13] <BBB> neither do I
[05:13] <Company> i want them to do it and just wrap it ;)
[05:14] <Company> the input plugins are nice though - mms and cdaudio for example
[05:14] <BBB> why don't we have a proper cdaudio plugin?
[05:15] <ds> because cdparanoia sucks
[05:15] <Company> as always: noone wrote one
[05:15] <ds> I'll write one eventually
[05:15] <BBB> yeah, and me
[05:16] <BBB> in ten years
[05:16] <BBB> or twenty
[05:16] <ds> exactly
[05:16] <BBB> what a wonderful prospect
[05:16] <BBB> but RB is nice ;)
[05:17] Action: BBB hopes to release gst-rec as soon as he gets back home
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[05:21] Action: BBB fixes all sort of bugzilla bugs but cannot close them
[05:27] <Misirlou> BBB: We love you anyway!
[05:27] <BBB> :)
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[11:47] <Mithrandir> whom should I whine to that neither CVS nor 0.8.0 compiles? :)
[11:47] <Mithrandir> gstbasicscheduler.c: In function `gst_basic_scheduler_chainhandler_proxy':
[11:47] <Mithrandir> gstbasicscheduler.c:493: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated
[11:47] <jdahlin> use a newer gcc :)
[11:48] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@yiwaz /var/tmp/gstreamer > gcc --version
[11:48] <Mithrandir> gcc (GCC) 3.3.3 (Debian 20040320)
[11:48] <Mithrandir> _newer_ gcc? ;)
[11:48] <jdahlin> oh, too new :)
[11:48] <Mithrandir> is there a simple fix? :)
[11:49] <jdahlin> dunno
[11:57] <Mithrandir> just removing the casts in the defines at the top of gstbasicscheduler.c seemed to fix it
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[12:07] <Mithrandir> what version of gcc does it build with?
[12:07] <Mithrandir> 3.2?
[12:08] <jdahlin> Mithrandir: trying to fix it
[12:08] <Mithrandir> jdahlin: what version of gcc does work?
[12:08] <Mithrandir> ok, cool. :)
[12:09] <Mithrandir> I've hacked a bit around it, but that's not a very clean solution.
[12:09] <Mithrandir> and it runs into problems when doing stuff in dparammanager.c
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[12:10] <jdahlin> yeah, 3.2
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[12:24] <jdahlin> It's a good deal of fun making stuff compile with CFLAGS="-std=gnu99 -pedantic"
[12:25] <Mithrandir> heh, I can imagine.
[12:25] <jdahlin> gstinfo.c:544: warning: ISO C forbids initialization between function pointer and `void *'
[12:25] <Mithrandir> fun, fun, fun.
[12:29] <jdahlin> ah, just a little bit of casting solved that one
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[13:02] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: I have good news for you
[13:02] <jdahlin> KoRnouille: it's completely possible to write a movie player in python :-)
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[13:28] <jdahlin> Mithrandir: do you know what the warning flag is called that makes 3.3 break
[13:28] <Mithrandir> let me see
[13:29] <jdahlin> it might be a good idea to turn it on by default
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[13:35] <Mithrandir> it's on by default; -Werror causes the build to fail
[13:38] <thaytan> g'night all
[13:39] <jdahlin> Mithrandir: right, but can you try to remove -Wall, and see exactly what -W option causes it to break
[13:41] <Mithrandir> it gives the error without any -W options:
[13:41] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@yiwaz ..streamer/libs/gst/control > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/include/libxml2 -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I../../..  -DGST_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -g -I../../../libs -I../../../include -g -O2 -MT libgstcontrol_0.8_la-dparammanager.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libgstcontrol_0.8_la-dparammanager.Tpo -c dparammanager.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libgstcontrol_0.8_
[13:41] <Mithrandir> dparammanager.c: In function `gst_dpman_init':
[13:41] <Mithrandir> dparammanager.c:140: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated
[13:42] <jdahlin> humm
[13:42] <jdahlin> I thought it was in -Wall
[13:42] <Mithrandir> I could look for a -Wno-foo to see what triggers it, though?
[13:43] <jdahlin> I'm trying
[13:43] <jdahlin> I get it if I use -pedantic
[13:43] <Mithrandir> 3.2?
[13:43] <Mithrandir> how about -pedantic and -Werror?
[13:43] <jdahlin> werror just makes warnings fatal
[13:43] <Mithrandir> I know
[13:46] <jonathang> can't disable it -> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2003-10/msg01740.html
[13:47] <Mithrandir> ok, so the code should be fixed
[13:48] <jdahlin> jonathang: no, I want to *enable* it, but for 3.2
[13:49] <jonathang> jdahlin, mmmh, ok :)
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[13:49] <jdahlin> not sure if that's possible
[13:49] <jonathang> doesn't work with -pedantic?
[13:50] <jdahlin> yes, but -pedantic adds to much crap
[13:51] <jdahlin> you can't even send in a char to a function which takes unsigned char
[13:51] <jonathang> wow, that's pedantic!
[13:51] <jdahlin> so, you'll have to add casts like this for more or less all libxml functioins:
[13:51] <jdahlin>   doc->xmlRootNode = xmlNewDocNode (doc, NULL, (xmlChar*)"gstreamer", NULL);
[13:55] <iain> mmmm tasty
[13:55] <Mithrandir> that's just soo ugly.
[13:55] <jdahlin> indeed
[13:57] <jdahlin> -std=gnu99 -pendantic is not so bad, apart from that
[13:57] <jdahlin> and that you can't use pointer arithmetic
[13:57] <mathrick> jdahlin: huh?
[13:58] <Mithrandir> but pointer arithmetic is fun
[13:58] <mathrick> how does one make C without pointer arithmetic?
[13:58] <jdahlin>   mmaped = mmap (((void *) cothread) + page_size * 2,
[13:58] <jdahlin> raises:
[13:58] <jdahlin> cothreads.c:292: warning: pointer of type `void *' used in arithmetic
[13:59] <mathrick> jdahlin: ahh, that's different warning
[13:59] <jonathang> You could try to compile with g++. It seems that it had already been deprecated for C++ in 3.2
[13:59] <mathrick> ISO C forbids using void* for arithmetic
[13:59] <jdahlin> I don't want to compile using g++!!!
[13:59] <jdahlin> :-)
[13:59] <jonathang> use gcc 3.3 then :)
[14:00] <Mithrandir> 3.2 is old anyhow. :P
[14:00] <jdahlin> nope, we should support 2.95, 3.0, 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, etc
[14:00] <jonathang> right, but if the code is fixed, where's the problem?
[14:00] <jdahlin> "support"
[14:00] <Mithrandir> sure, and pigs should be able to fly. ;)
[14:00] <jdahlin> that we might add it later on, without seeing it
[14:00] <jdahlin> because right now we only have limited testing with 3.3
[14:00] <Misirlou> For this reason you should always compile with CFLAGS="-std=iso9899:1990 -Wall -Werror -pedantic -pedantic-errors". :)
[14:01] <Mithrandir> yeah, it's easier to make them fly if you don't look.
[14:01] <Misirlou> That should compile in just about everything known to man, yeah?
[14:01] <jdahlin> Misirlou: noooo!
[14:01] Action: jdahlin kick Misirlou
[14:01] Action: Misirlou kicks those ignorant to standards
[14:01] <jonathang> yes, but the 3.3 users will quickly notice if it doesn't compile
[14:01] <jonathang> (or remove -Werror, like I did)
[14:01] <Mithrandir> it's a bit sad that 0.8 isn't compilable with what's in debian's unstable, though.
[14:01] Action: jonathang hides
[14:02] <Mithrandir> probably not using sarge either.
[14:04] <mathrick> hmm, interesting enough, apparently "AltGr + Shift + a" isn't the same as "Shift + AltGr + a" for my X
[14:07] <jonathang> mathrick, same for me... weird :-s
[14:08] <mathrick> yep, and xev reports correct symbol (Aogonek) for both of them. Yet only first one gives me  displayed
[14:08] <Mithrandir> the both generate "masculine" for me.
[14:08] <Mithrandir> shift-altgr is dead for me, I have to press a twice
[14:08] <mathrick> and if I press the second one subsequently, w/o releasing AltGr and Shift , it works
[14:09] <jonathang> © with the first, © after three presses for shift + altgr
[14:09] <Mithrandir> only two presses here.
[14:10] <mathrick> here it works after second press. Guess my copy of X is better ;)
[14:13] <jonathang> maybe that's the xkb layout, I use be
[14:13] <mathrick> pl here
[14:13] <mathrick> but it's strange that symbol lookup is correct in either case
[14:14] <Mithrandir> no here, fwiw.
[14:14] Action: The_Company goes patching his gcc now
[14:14] <The_Company> btw: good morning angels
[14:14] <mathrick> good morning, The_Company
[14:14] Nick change: The_Company -> COmpany
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[14:32] <zaheerm> hi guyes
[14:33] <zaheerm> does anyone know the best way of putting an xvimagesink inside a gtk app?
[14:33] <zaheerm> with xvideosink (0.6 series), i used a gstsocket and stole the xid
[14:34] <dolphy> zaheerm: use the XOverlay interface
[14:35] <dolphy> zaheerm: you can tell it to display video in a specific XWindow
[14:35] <zaheerm> aah ok
[14:36] <zaheerm> didnt know about xoverlay
[14:36] <zaheerm> is there docs on it in the documentation page?
[14:36] <zaheerm> api docs i mean
[14:38] <zaheerm> i cant find it, ill use the code as my docs :)
[14:38] <Company> zaheerm: the code should be documented, but nobody added the infrastructure to extract those yet :/
[14:39] <Company> so no, there are no docs
[14:39] <zaheerm> :) thx
[14:41] <zaheerm> also
[14:41] <zaheerm> if i get this:
[14:41] <zaheerm> INFO         GST_CAPS(30173) gstpad.c(1244):gst_pad_link_call_link_functions: pad level:sink doesn't accept caps
[14:41] <zaheerm> is there an easy way to figure out which 2 elements' pads are having a hard time talking ot each other?
[14:44] <Company> "pad level:sink"
[14:44] <Company> level is the name of the element, sink the name of the pad
[14:44] <zaheerm> aaah
[14:44] Action: zaheerm is stupid
[14:44] <zaheerm> my pipeline starts: osssrc ! level
[14:44] <zaheerm> is there an issue with the level plugin in 0.8?
[14:45] <Company> i don't even know what level is, so no idea
[14:45] <zaheerm> :)
[14:46] Action: Company randomly pokes people
[14:46] <zaheerm> level is a plugin that acts as an identity
[14:46] <zaheerm> but sends signals with rms, peak and decaying peak
[14:46] <zaheerm> from the audio signal data it gathers
[14:46] <zaheerm> really nice plugin
[14:48] <zaheerm> also whenever i use the lame plugin in gstreamer 0.8
[14:49] <zaheerm> it cores in lame_set_preset_notune()
[14:49] <zaheerm> tho i doubt thats anything to do with gst, as its in libmp3lame where it cores
[14:51] <Company> who knows
[14:51] <zaheerm> :)
[14:51] <Company> haven't heard of that problem before though
[14:51] <zaheerm> can u do a: gst-launch-0.8 osssrc ! lame ! fakesink ?
[14:52] <zaheerm> or: gst-launch-0.8 osssrc ! lame ! filesink location=/dev/null ?
[14:52] <zaheerm> without a core dump
[14:53] <zaheerm> it could be ppc specific...as i have only tried on an ibook with gst0.8
[14:53] <Company> works on my x86, try<ing ibook now
[14:55] <Company> my ibook claims i have no /dev/dsp to record from
[14:55] <zaheerm> zaheer@penang levelstuff $ gst-launch-0.8 osssrc ! level ! lame ! fakesink
[14:55] <zaheerm> RUNNING pipeline ...
[14:55] <zaheerm> ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to play.
[14:55] <zaheerm> zaheer@penang levelstuff $ gst-launch-0.6 osssrc ! level ! lame ! fakesink
[14:55] <zaheerm> INFO (30384: 0) Initializing GStreamer Core Library version 0.6.4
[14:55] <zaheerm> INFO (30384: 0) CPU features: (00000000) NONE
[14:55] <zaheerm> INFO (30384: 0) registry: loaded global_registry in 0.222583 seconds
[14:55] <zaheerm>           (/var/lib/cache/gstreamer-0.6/registry.xml)
[14:55] <zaheerm> GStreamer-INFO: 0 live buffer(s)
[14:55] <zaheerm> GStreamer-INFO: 0 live bufferpool(s)
[14:55] <zaheerm> GStreamer-INFO: 0 live event(s)
[14:55] <zaheerm> RUNNING pipeline
[14:55] <zaheerm> its the level ! lame capsnego that looks messed up
[14:56] <Company> hrm
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[14:56] <zaheerm> please can u try that on gst-launch-0.8....see if its localised to my computer? :)
[14:57] <Company> yeah, happens here, too
[14:58] Nick change: mx|sleep -> mxpxpod
[14:59] <zaheerm> interesting...so it is a bug
[14:59] Action: zaheerm looks in the level plugin code to see what it might be
[15:01] <Company> missing getcaps function i bet
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[15:02] <Company> yup
[15:07] <zaheerm> volenv has the same prob as level
[15:08] <Company> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.gstreamer.cvs/12965
[15:08] <Company> contains the simple fix
[15:08] <zaheerm> aaah :)
[15:09] <zaheerm> thx
[15:09] <zaheerm> not in cvs yet
[15:09] <zaheerm> sorry anoncvs
[15:09] <zaheerm> oh u did that now ;)
[15:10] <zaheerm> thx
[15:10] <Company> np
[15:10] <Company> i always do simple stuff now ;)
[15:11] <zaheerm> as i was saying volenv has the same issue :) not that i use it
[15:11] <jonathang> Company, would you like to like into gstadder? it's simple too ;)
[15:12] <Company> :p
[15:12] <zaheerm> i can see a gst 0.8.1 release named "who forgot all the getcaps!"
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[15:16] <zaheerm> ouch gnome 2.6 release delayed a week due to intrusion
[15:19] <jdahlin> dolphy: what do you think about moving gst-video-widget into gst-plugins?
[15:19] <Company> jdahlin: i object
[15:20] <Company> jdahlin: it's called gst-plugins for a reason
[15:20] <jdahlin> Company: I don't consider play to be a plugin.
[15:20] <jdahlin> since I'm not creating it with gst_element_factory_make
[15:20] <Company> me neither
[15:20] <Company> but gstplay is at least not bound to a widget toolkit
[15:21] <jdahlin> well
[15:21] <jdahlin> I'd just like to have everything that's required to write a good application shipped by us
[15:21] <Company> it's shipped
[15:21] <Company> in gst-player
[15:21] <jdahlin> hmm
[15:21] <Company> though that should probably be renamed so it doesn't sound like an app
[15:22] <Company> gst-gtk-play or something
[15:22] <jdahlin> maybe
[15:22] <jdahlin> but it doesn't install anything right?
[15:22] <Company> i think it does
[15:22] <jdahlin> oh, right
[15:23] <jdahlin> so I need to wrap that widget for python
[15:23] <Company> we need to unify the gtk integration better anyway
[15:24] <Company> i want a lib that installs a set of widgets (video embedder, volume control, small audio player widget, small vide player widget, equalizer and so on)
[15:25] <jdahlin> yeah, that would be neat
[15:25] <Company> the problem is that small * player widget requires an underlying player lib
[15:26] <Company> and and GstPlay is just a big video player backend
[15:28] <Company> i've started hacking on such a lib, but it was then mostly to figure out bugs, so it's not very far
[15:28] <jdahlin> Might be better to concentrate on getting totem to work first
[15:29] <jdahlin> and doing the low-level work before high-level
[15:29] <Company> yeah, that's why i'm still hacking plugins ;)
[15:30] <Company> cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/home/cvs co libgstui
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[15:31] <jdahlin> do you have anoncvs?
[15:31] <Company> cvs -d:pserver:[email protected]:/home/cvs co libgstui
[15:31] <Company> whoops
[15:31] <jdahlin> got it
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[15:31] <Company> dialup ip btw
[15:37] <jdahlin> why not fix the widget totem uses?
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[15:39] <dolphy> jdahlin: it has nothing to do there
[15:39] <Company> i wanted a generic GstXOverlay widget
[15:41] <Company> for a tv player app
[15:41] <Company> which is in libgstui/src/ or so
[15:46] <Company> Mithrandir, jdahlin: lvalue cast problem is fixed in CVS
[15:47] <Mithrandir> cool, great.
[15:47] <jdahlin> Company: for all files?
[15:48] <Company> jdahlin: core and plugins
[15:48] <jdahlin> Company: did you actually modify gcc? or did you upgrade to 3.3?
[15:48] <Company> jdahlin: i patched gcc
[15:48] <jdahlin> Company: ok
[15:48] <jdahlin> A shame that it's required
[15:49] <Company> i think it's a shame that some distros just apply that patch
[15:49] <jdahlin> gcc team is a bit annoying
[15:50] <jdahlin> they could at least wait a release before making it a warning
[15:50] <jdahlin> or put it in -Wall first
[15:50] <Company> it's not a warning in 3.3
[15:51] <Company> it's only a warning in 3.3.3-debian or so
[15:51] <jdahlin> ah
[15:51] <jdahlin> but in 3.4 it will be
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[15:53] <Company> yeah
[15:53] Action: Mithrandir recompiles gstreamer, again.
[15:53] <Mithrandir> I really need a faster box
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[15:56] <Company> anybody knows where to get dmix?
[15:59] <Company> hm, looks like it's part of alsalib
[15:59] <Mithrandir> dparammanager.c: In function `gst_dpman_init':
[15:59] <Mithrandir> dparammanager.c:140: warning: use of cast expressions as lvalues is deprecated
[15:59] <Mithrandir> boom!
[16:00] <Company> why didn't i get that?
[16:00] <Company> boohoo
[16:00] <Mithrandir> I don't know.. perhaps I've enabled or disabled something which you haven't?
[16:01] <Company> perhaps i should do a make clean
[16:01] <jdahlin> or maybe you're not compiling with alsa support
[16:01] <Mithrandir> I'm not.
[16:01] <Mithrandir> but that's a plugin, it's not in core, is it?
[16:02] <Company> nope
[16:02] <Company> that comment was misleading, unrelated or something like that
[16:02] <Mithrandir> ook
[16:02] <Company> apart from that i wrote the alsa plugin :p
[16:02] <jdahlin> so it's your fault anyway
[16:02] Action: jdahlin hides
[16:03] <Company> dmix rules :o
[16:04] <Company> get_caps returns audio/x-raw-int, width=(int)16, depth=(int)16, signed=(boolean)true, endianness=(int)1234, rate=(int)[ 47040, 47040 ], channels=(int)[ 2, 2 ]
[16:04] <Company> d'oh
[16:05] <Company> now let me look if i have 47040 Hz audio lying around here somewhere
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[16:28] <zaheerm> ok im off to the ariport, thx guys
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[16:45] <KoRnouille> jdahlin: really ? a movie player in python ? cool. Do you have examples somewhere ? or maybe you could send me some sample codes ?
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[16:46] <jdahlin> KoRnouille, http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gst-python/examples/gstplay/player.py?rev=1.3&view=auto
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[16:52] <Company> Mithrandir: the core should work now
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[17:13] <Company> booo, windows!!!!
[17:14] <BBB> yeah yeah, tell that to the university
[17:14] <BBB> you guys should be happy that I come online at all from here ;)
[17:15] <Company> heh
[17:15] <Company> you could fix gstreamer on windows while you're at it ;)
[17:16] <BBB> nah
[17:16] <BBB> would require me to fix windows while I'm at it
[17:16] <BBB> I don't feel like doing that today
[17:16] <BBB> maybe tomorrow
[17:16] <Company> i wouldn't mind though
[17:16] <BBB> yes you would
[17:16] <BBB> go fix the scheduler :P
[17:16] <BBB> btw, I noticed the basic fixes, good work! :)
[17:16] Action: BBB shoul,d try to understand basicgthread one day
[17:17] <Company> that's something that's only triggerred in rare error cases though
[17:17] <BBB> yeah, but it means you're looking at it, that's really cool
[17:17] <BBB> ds-work: I noticed your quicktime fixes too, even better! :)
[17:17] Action: BBB will fix mpeg4 tomorrow
[17:18] <BBB> I also have hadess' movie, I'll fix that thursday, too
[17:18] <BBB> audio, that is
[17:18] <BBB> for video, I apparently need thomas
[17:18] <BBB> which sucks :/
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[17:21] <BBB> hi david
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[17:53] <jonathang> anybody wanna look to my gstadder problem? i'm losing hope in solving this... and I think (only think) that it's a scheduler problem. I put my debug log on http://psydeb.free.fr/gstreamer/adder.html
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[18:01] <bitshifter> jonathang: I get the same (floating point exception)
[18:02] <jonathang> bitshifter, and you have any ideas why it fails?
[18:03] <bitshifter> the code it crashes in is adder->offset = GST_BUFFER_SIZE(buf_out) * 8 / adder->width / adder->channels;
[18:03] <bitshifter> so either adder->width or adder-channels seems to be 0 at that point
[18:03] <jonathang> how did you notice that?
[18:04] <bitshifter> I ran it with valgrind 
[18:04] <bitshifter> gdb would have done as well I suppose
[18:04] Action: jonathang kicks itself
[18:04] <bitshifter> gstadder.c, line 444
[18:04] <jonathang> bitshifter, THANKS! :)
[18:06] <jonathang> btw, I already tried with gdb
[18:06] <jonathang> but it ends with "The program no longer exists"
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[18:06] <jonathang> and no backtrace available
[18:11] <BBB> gdb is sometimes odd ;)
[18:13] <Company> nope
[18:14] <Company> the wrapper is
[18:14] <Company> run gst-launch-0.8 in gdb and not gst-launch
[18:15] <BBB> hm, well noticed
[18:15] Action: BBB already removed the wrapper and made it a symlink locally
[18:15] <BBB> prevents lots of noise
[18:17] Action: jonathang didn't know about all that. GStreamer seems less mystical to him now.
[18:19] <jonathang> adder->width AND adder->channels are 0 !?!
[18:19] <BBB> did it negotiate?
[18:20] <jonathang> BBB, i admit i really don't know! have a look at my debug log at http://psydeb.free.fr/gstreamer/adder.html
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[18:21] <BBB> I'll look tonight or so, mail the list if you want me to remind it then ;)
[18:21] Action: BBB at work
[18:21] <jonathang> ok
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[18:32] <iain> someone at sony is making a cgi script with gstreamer?
[18:37] <Company> i should read mail again?
[18:37] <Company> mod_gstreamer, now with your favourite security vulnerability
[18:39] <iain> Company: yes? the badly written email about g_print
[18:39] <iain> Subject: Use of g_print
[18:45] <Company> BBB: the ffmpeg fix is delayed?
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[19:44] <Company> ffmpeg has an swf decoder?
[19:44] <Company> demuxer
[19:45] <jdahlin> ffmpeg has the kitchen sink
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[21:04] <Company> lol
[21:04] <Company> gst-launch identity ! fakesink fakesrc ! identity0.
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[21:09] <jdahlin> oh, Christian is on Slashdot
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[21:36] <Company> listening to mp3s with 0.1% byte errors sounds really bad
[21:37] <BBB> yup
[21:38] Action: BBB just documented source elements
[21:38] Action: BBB is now documenting sink elements
[21:38] <jdahlin> cool
[21:38] <BBB> then demuxers, then muxers, then N-to-N, then managers, then finally autopluggers
[21:38] <BBB> and while I'm at it, I'll finish the new autoplugger in gst-sandbox ;)
[21:38] Action: Company is going to commit his brand new "breakmydata" element
[21:38] Action: bitshifter thinks the 'last-message' property found in many elements should be put into GstElement with a gst_element_set_last_message(element, format, ...) function
[21:38] <jdahlin> ffmpeg-hackers: http://build.fluendo.com:8080/FC1-media/events/12/log
[21:38] <BBB> Company: oh my, why? ;)
[21:39] <jdahlin> I wonder why decoding matrix throws these errors
[21:39] Action: Company thinks the last-message property should most probably be replaced by debugging messages
[21:39] <jdahlin> [msmpeg4 @ 0x69a0d8]overreading 123 bits
[21:39] <jdahlin> [msmpeg4 @ 0x69a0d8]concealing errors
[21:39] <jdahlin> [msmpeg4 @ 0x69a0d8]overreading 757 bits
[21:39] <jdahlin> ... etc
[21:39] <Company> BBB: to test robustness of de{muxers,coders}
[21:39] <BBB> jdahlin: known
[21:40] <BBB> jdahlin: see my email to thomas
[21:40] <BBB> we need a newer ffmpeg
[21:40] <BBB> the existing one has idct or so buglet
[21:40] <jdahlin> oh, ok
[21:40] <BBB> Company: ok... sounds interestig
[21:40] <bitshifter> Company: true, but an app can connect to 'notify::last-message' if it is a property, whereas it cannot access debugging messages, can it?
[21:41] <Company> bitshifter: it can, if it wants to
[21:41] <Company> bitshifter: those messages aren't meant for apps though
[21:42] Action: BBB hates it if he writes docs and cannot actually test them because he's on a win32 box
[21:42] <BBB> :/
[21:42] <jdahlin> libxslt runs on windows, no?
[21:42] <Company> ** (process:12668): WARNING **: ffdec_msmpeg4: decoding error
[21:42] <BBB> no ide
[21:42] <Company> found a bug already: that one should be a GST_WARNING not a g_warning ;)
[21:43] <BBB> hm
[21:43] <BBB> yes
[21:43] <Company> in fact it should be a GST_ERROR
[21:43] <BBB> I ususally do gst-warning on decode errors that are recoverable
[21:44] <BBB> not sure what's right though
[21:45] <Company> warnings are meant for stuff that's unexpected, but not an error
[21:45] <Company> best example is a buffer underrun in sound output
[21:46] <BBB> well,this is unexpected, yes?
[21:46] <Company> broken data is an error unless the codec expects broken data
[21:46] <BBB> and it's recoverable, too
[21:46] <Company> yeah, unexpected and recoverable is a GST_ERROR_OBJECT
[21:47] <Company> ok, i'm missing a word here
[21:47] <Company> let me search my translations and reformulate
[21:47] <BBB> k
[21:48] <Company> <Company> broken data is an error unless the codec expects broken data
[21:48] <Company> that one is in fact pretty good
[21:48] <taaz> anyone tried the speex plugin?
[21:49] <Company> so for an error in the ogg bytestream i'd just threow a warning, but for an error in an avi i'd throw an error
[21:49] <taaz> i get a whole load of CRITICALS when it's installed
[21:49] <BBB> Company: because in avi you cannot resync and in ogg you can?
[21:50] <taaz> just running gst-register
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[21:50] <BBB> nope, didn't try
[21:50] <Company> BBB: yeah
[21:51] <Company> BBB: it doesn't matter that much if you use error or warning obviously, but that'd be the rule of thumb i'd use
[21:51] <BBB> makes sense, I think
[21:51] <markey> re
[21:51] <BBB> hi markey
[21:51] <markey> how to play shoutcast streams?
[21:51] <BBB> is gst already working for you?
[21:51] <markey> yeah works great now
[21:51] <BBB> gnomevfssrc location=...
[21:51] <BBB> ;)
[21:52] <BBB> and then ! mad ! osssink
[21:52] <markey> my GstEngine has progressed a lot
[21:52] <BBB> cool :)
[21:52] <markey> gnomefoo is no option
[21:52] <Company> yeah, gnomevfssrc
[21:52] <BBB> so I should have a reason to install kdelibs now? :-p
[21:52] <Company> or kiosrc *hinthint*
[21:52] <BBB> actually, I almost found someone to write us kio wrappers
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[21:52] <BBB> but then he heard gstreamer was part of gnome and he refused
[21:52] <taaz> err, i meant running gst-compprep
[21:53] <markey> maybe I could abuse my "TitleProxy" to do it
[21:53] <BBB> when I told him gst might be in kde, he laughed at m saying that gnome tech in kde was impossible
[21:53] <BBB> :/
[21:53] <markey> it's a little proxy server I'm using for getting stream titles
[21:53] <BBB> ohwell
[21:53] <markey> metadata
[21:53] <Company> lol BBB
[21:53] <BBB> can you wrap kio and use kiosrc?
[21:53] <markey> hmm or I could hack a Gst plugin
[21:53] <Company> markey: you could just take the code of filesrc and adapt it for kio
[21:54] <BBB> or gnomevfs
[21:54] <Company> markey: that would seriously rock if someone did that
[21:54] <BBB> *src
[21:54] <Company> gnomevfs has iradio code in it
[21:54] <BBB> and I'd love to have a kiosink, too, ofcourse
[21:54] <Company> filesrc has mmap code in it
[21:54] <markey> hmm I could try
[21:55] <markey> is it possible to install gst plugins together with my app install?
[21:55] <Company> hm?
[21:55] <Company> ah
[21:55] <Company> gst plugins, not gst-plugins
[21:56] <markey> yes
[21:56] <markey> a custom plugin
[21:56] <Company> it is
[21:56] <Company> but i'd put kio stuff in gst-plugins the moment there's a patch that adds it
[21:57] <markey> ok I will try
[21:57] <markey> brb
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[22:04] <markey> can gst plugins provide a config GUI?
[22:04] <jdahlin> What do you mean?
[22:06] <markey> say you have a plugin that does extra-stereo. can it display a GUI so the user can adjust values?
[22:06] <markey> like XMMS does
[22:06] <Company> nope
[22:06] <markey> is it planned?
[22:06] <jdahlin> You'd have to do that in your application
[22:07] <jdahlin> No, gstreamer is just a framework
[22:07] <markey> I consider it a serious drawback
[22:07] <markey> not having it
[22:07] <jdahlin> Well, we support properties on different elements
[22:07] <markey> aRts does this very nicely
[22:07] <Company> we have interfaces
[22:07] <jdahlin> which you can change in runtime, but the graphical interface for that
[22:07] <ds-work> actually, GstElements can have GtkWidgets attached to them, it's just a dumb idea
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[22:07] <markey> no it makes a lot of sense
[22:08] <Company> yeah sure, but there's no framework that provides that
[22:08] <ds-work> it's better to have a GstElement and a GtkWidget that just happen to co-exist and cooperate very well together
[22:08] <ds-work> but function independently
[22:08] <Company> sure
[22:08] <markey> every app must hack it's own GUI code then
[22:08] <jdahlin> markey: then we'd have to be tied to a specific toolkit
[22:09] <markey> no, you could abstract it
[22:09] <markey> rather easily
[22:09] <markey> config GUIs just require some standard widgets
[22:09] <markey> some sliders, knobs, buttons
[22:09] <jdahlin> that's more or less what we have in gstreamer
[22:10] <Company> query the properties, create widgets based on those
[22:10] <trow> markey: auto-generated UIs tend to not be very nice
[22:10] <Company> that works (and gst-editor does that)
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[22:10] <Company> but i thought it would be a neat idea to be able to attach widgets to elements
[22:10] <Company> maybe gst-editor could provide that
[22:10] <trow> many have gone down that road, few have succeeded
[22:11] <trow> (IMO s/few/none/, but there might be some I don't know about :) )\
[22:11] <Company> the VST plugins are a mess, too though
[22:11] <Company> and VST went the other road
[22:11] <markey> well, without a GUI effect plugins are pretty useless for me
[22:11] <ds-work> gst-editor's property widgets would be a lot better if we had the concept of "sane region" for properties
[22:11] <Company> "sane region"?
[22:11] <markey> with my ArtsEngine, I can display a list of available effects, the user selects some, and can configure it via GUI
[22:11] <ds-work> some properties will never be useful at +/- MAXINT
[22:11] <markey> which is generated by aRts
[22:12] <ds-work> but it's _possible_, so we list it
[22:12] <Company> ah
[22:12] <Company> i don't think that's needed
[22:13] <ds-work> probably.  it's actually more of a preferences thing, anyway
[22:13] <Company> but it'd be nice if elements could be configured by an element that's specifically made for that purpose
[22:14] <Company> like being able to edit the files in a multifilesrc with a file open GUI and a list view
[22:14] <markey> best example is a an EQ plugin: useless w/o GUI
[22:14] <ds-work> I thought that's what gstui was supposed to be
[22:15] <Company> gstui was meant to be widgets for interfaces
[22:15] <Company> and widgets that are useful in media land
[22:15] <ds-work> close enough :)
[22:15] <Company> well
[22:16] <Company> the problem will only come up when someone writes a NLE
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[22:17] <Company> and by that time i hope to have the registry extension API in place
[22:18] <BBB> my name is ronald... i stream when i'm on Gbh
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[22:19] <markey> hmm might as well use raw socket code for the shoutcastsrc
[22:20] <Company> is wrapping KIO that hard?
[22:20] <markey> ah yes gnomevfssrc contains metadata code
[22:20] <markey> nice
[22:20] <markey> basically it's similar to my TitleProxy
[22:20] <Company> ah, for the metadata
[22:21] <Company> yeah, gnomevfs contains metadata code
[22:21] <markey> question is if KIO is really needed for http transfer
[22:21] <Company> no, you can use any http lib
[22:22] <Company> but if you wrap kio, you have a lot more than just http ;)
[22:22] <markey> true
[22:22] <Company> that's why all the gnome players use gnomevfssrc
[22:22] <jdahlin> Company: httpsrc was deprecated right?
[22:22] <Company> jdahlin: wasn't it removed?
[22:23] <jdahlin> Company: or removed
[22:23] <jdahlin> I'm entierly convinced it was a good idea
[22:23] <Company> what was a good idea?
[22:23] <markey> is there a problem with using c++ for plugins?
[22:23] <jdahlin> removing it
[22:23] <Company> yeah, that was a good idea
[22:23] <Company> markey: nope, we have C++ plugins
[22:23] <markey> cool
[22:23] <jdahlin> so we should enforce gnome-vfs upon developers?
[22:24] <Company> enforce? they use it anyway ;)
[22:24] <Company> modplug is c++
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[22:24] <jdahlin> maybe we need a kiosrc :)
[22:25] <Company> and we have another one but i don't know which
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[22:27] <Company> sid, mpley, mpeg2enc
[22:27] <Company> that's quite a bit more than i thought
[22:32] Nick change: arana -> spyder_away
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[22:49] <Company> founr 2 bugs already
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[22:49] <Company> just because of a stupid breakmydata plugin
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[23:01] <taaz> jdahlin: can i request a test to be added to buildbot?  it's really simple.  install all plugins, and run "gst-comppre-0.8 --gst-fatal-warnings" and make sure it succeeds
[23:02] <Company> taaz: add it to the testsuite
[23:02] <Company> taaz: both plugins and core
[23:02] Action: taaz doesn't know how ;)
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[23:10] <ds-work> dolphy: ?
[23:11] <ds-work> dolphy: GstPlay doesn't work with video-only streams
[23:11] <ds-work> dolphy: or, likewise, with streams where we can only decode the video
[23:11] <Company> ds-work: why doesn't the testsuite run gst-inspect-check ?
[23:12] <ds-work> Company: which one?
[23:12] <ds-work> gstreamer?
[23:12] <Company> yeah
[23:12] <ds-work> don't know.
[23:12] <ds-work> the test suite in gstreamer can't really be used to check plugins, though
[23:13] <ds-work> just core elements
[23:13] <Company> i know
[23:13] <Company> we can still copy it
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[23:16] <Uraeus> hi
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[23:16] <Company> how do i make file in cvs executable?
[23:17] <ds-work> log into pdx.fd.o and chmod the ,v file
[23:17] <ds-work> unless it's a new file
[23:17] <ds-work> in which case, it will get the permissions that your local file has
[23:19] <walters> this is interesting
[23:20] <walters> seth found a bug where metadata doesn't work over smb
[23:20] <walters> but does over local filesystems
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[23:21] <ds-work> rb uses gnomevfssrc, right?
[23:24] <walters> yep
[23:27] <walters> if you guys want to try:
[23:27] <walters> http://66.92.65.239
[23:27] <walters> as dav
[23:28] <ds-work> Fedora Core Test Page?
[23:29] <walters> hmm
[23:29] <walters> oh yeah, you need to use dav
[23:29] <walters> like browse to that url in nautilus
[23:30] <walters> personally i suspect a gnome-vfs bug of some sort
[23:32] <ds-work> i can't drag from nautilus to rhytmbox?
[23:32] <Company> hum
[23:32] <Company> how do i add a script to the automake tests?
[23:32] <ds-work> I'm adding it right now
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[23:33] <walters> ds-work: weird, that used to work..
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[23:34] <Company> ds-work: tell me when you're done
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[23:44] <Company> i've found the application name of the day: kallery
[23:44] <iain> is it a web gallery creator program for kde?
[23:44] <Company> wow, you guessed it!
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[23:45] <iain> is it kallery.sf.net?
[23:45] <iain> yey, it is
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[23:45] <iain> time for a bug report "Your project name sucks"
[23:46] <bitshifter> now if it was written by a Kalle ...
[23:46] <Company> it wasn't
[23:48] <iain> I'm going to write a CD burner in C# and start it with a K
[23:48] <iain> just to confuse people
[23:49] <iain> K-Magic-CD-Maker
[23:49] <Company> KD-burn
[23:49] <Company> kompakt
[23:49] <iain> oh I like KD-burn actually
[23:50] <ds-work> "flamewar"?
[23:50] <BBB> heh :)
[23:50] Action: BBB just documented sink elements
[23:50] Action: BBB will now do demuxers and 1-to-N elements
[23:50] <iain> we should start using hungarian notation for program names
[23:50] <BBB> ugh
[23:50] <BBB> p_MediaStreamingFramework_GStreamer
[23:50] <iain> start it with the letter of the desktop, then the language its writen in
[23:50] <Company> kgstcCDBurner
[23:51] <Company> whoops
[23:51] <iain> KgstC#CDBurner
[23:51] <Company> kcsgstCDBurner
[23:51] Action: BBB wonders how he's gonna explain demuxers
[23:51] <Company> we'd need to rename GStreamer to gStreamer though
[23:51] <BBB> KDe's shoot us!
[23:52] <Company> gcStreamer
[23:52] <iain> see, its a brilliant idea
[23:52] <Company> glib C
[23:52] <Company> we should put the OS in front
[23:52] <Company> so it's pgcStreamer
[23:52] <iain> its a library
[23:52] <iain> so it needs an l
[23:53] <mathrick> then it becomes lp, which means "long pointer" :)
[23:53] <Company> no, library belongs at the end
[23:53] <ds-work> gStrEamEr
[23:53] <Company> pgcl
[23:53] <iain> pgcStreamer_l
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[23:53] <Company> or that
[23:53] <mathrick> pgclStreamFmw
[23:53] <Uraeus> stop kidding around, its GNUStreamer, that is the deal we make with RMS
[23:53] <mathrick> GNU/Streamer
[23:54] Nick change: bilboed_ -> bilboed
[23:54] Action: bitshifter thinks gskreamer might make the k-krowd happier
[23:54] Action: BBB kicks mathrick
[23:54] <Company> but i think it's a nice idea to start all c# programs with a K
[23:55] <mathrick> BBB: why?
[23:55] <BBB> oh, just...
[23:55] <mathrick> Company: why K and not cs ?
[23:55] <mathrick> or sharp, for that matter
[23:55] <Company> mathrick: to annoy kde zealots
[23:55] <mathrick> ok, that's a reason :)
[23:56] Action: Company reanmes gst# to KStreamer
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[23:56] <mathrick> ks then
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[23:56] <mathrick> yo teuf, thaytoo
[23:56] <teuf> hi
[23:58] <mathrick> btw, pretty amusing piece of text: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnvsgen/html/HungaNotat.asp
[23:58] <thaytoo> yo yo!
[23:58] <Company> NugaNotat
[23:58] <Company> HungaNotat
[23:58] <mathrick> btw, it should be lpszHungaNotat.asp
[23:58] <Company> isn't that wrong?
[23:59] <mathrick> what's wrong?
[23:59] <Company> HungaNotat
[00:00] --- Thu Mar 25 2004
[00:00] <mathrick> what exactly is wrong about it?
[00:00] <Company> or do you abbreviate with the first two syllables?
[00:00] <Company> -WcheckHungaNotat
[00:01] <mathrick> HngNtn maybe, that's what'd be in Win32 API
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[00:02] <ds-work> MsftNotationHu
[00:03] <thaytoo> If I have dvdnavsrc ! mpegdemux ! mpeg2dec ! xvimagesink
[00:03] <thaytoo> which element should handle seeking if I send a 'seek +5secs' on xvimagesink?
[00:04] <thaytoo> it seems that the seek requests wanders through mpegdemux to dvdnavsrc, which only knows how to seek by chapters and titles, not by time within the current stream
[00:05] <thaytoo> so I think mpegdemux is meant to 'execute' the seek?
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[00:06] <ds-work> dvdnavsrc should be forwarding seek events upstream
[00:06] <thaytoo> to the DVD drive?
[00:06] <ds-work> well, yes
[00:06] <ds-work> :)
[00:07] <thaytoo> ok :)
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[00:07] <thaytoo> It needs a little extending then. I'll tackle it later
[00:07] <ds-work> it's not like mpegdemux can automagically tell the drive to seek to a new location
[00:08] <Company> gst_pad_send_event (pad, gst_event_magic ("seek 5 seconds forwards");
[00:08] Nick change: mxpxpod -> mx|gone
[00:09] <mathrick> there should be one core API call, gst_dwim()
[00:09] <mathrick> everything else is unnecessary :)
[00:10] <Company> dwim?
[00:10] <Company> ah
[00:10] <Company> not glib convention
[00:10] <mathrick> Do What I Mean
[00:10] <thaytoo> ds-work: yah
[00:10] <Company> mathrick: i'd call it gst_do_it
[00:10] <mathrick> Company: no, because then you need to provide "it"
[00:11] <Company> GST_WHAT_I_MEAN?
[00:11] <ds-work> GST_WHAT_YOU_SAY?
[00:11] <mathrick> no, that's query :)
[00:11] <thaytoo> how about a simple GST_EXECUTE(), no params?
[00:11] <mathrick> nah, DWIM it is young Jedi
[00:12] <mathrick> it's tradition to call magic API "dwim"
[00:12] <thaytoo> GST_EXECUTE, or I will help you not!
[00:12] <thaytoo> ;)
[00:16] <mathrick> +500 OK
[00:16] <mathrick> GST_EXECUTE()
[00:16] <mathrick> 502 WHAT?
[00:16] <Company> go Monti
[00:17] <Company> Mario Monti is my hero for today
[00:18] Nick change: foser_ -> foser
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[00:24] <mathrick> BOOL EUFineMonopolisticCompany(LPSTRING lpszCName, LPSTRING lpszReason, LPSTRING lpszCommisioner, BOOL fAcceptExcuses)
[00:24] <mathrick> example usage:
[00:24] <mathrick> EUFineMonopolisticCompany("Microsoft", "Near monopoly Windows abuse", "Mario Monti", FALSE);
[00:24] <mathrick> hmm, should probably return UINT
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[00:25] <thaytoo> mathrick: more likely it should return a dangling VOID *
[00:26] <thaytoo> (and take the whole system down ;) )
[00:27] <mathrick> no, it should throw exception that unwinds stack and returns control to higher frame ;)
[00:28] <thaytoo> heh :)
[00:28] <thaytoo> is that a metaphor for 'send steve ballmer to meet his maker'? 
[00:29] <mathrick> no, rather like: try{ MonopolisticAbuse}; catch(FineException) { goto AppealCourt; } ;)
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[00:34] <bilboed> anybody knows if Leif Johnson hangs about on this chann much ? I need to get in touch with him regarding midi GstElements...
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[00:50] <ds-work> Company: done
[00:51] <foser> damned nonbugfiling ppl even spell my nick wrong
[00:51] <ds-work> froser: huh?
[00:52] <foser> greetings wth.. we're not in fucking middle fucking world here
[00:52] <foser> me tensioned.. no not at all
[00:52] <foser> world=earth
[00:59] <thaytoo> ooookay
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[01:10] <Company> the word i'd use for what foser needs most now is "Gruppenknuddeln", but i don't thing there's a word for that in english
[01:10] <Company> at least i don't know it
[01:10] <thaytoo> what's the meaning?
[01:10] <thaytoo> "Group hug"?
[01:11] <foser> an old fashioned beating is what i need.. to behave myself
[01:12] <Company> thaytoo: group hug comes pretty close
[01:13] <Company> ds-work: the solution with that .in file is ugly
[01:13] <thaytoo> Company: which city are you in?
[01:14] <Company> thaytoo: near Hamburg
[01:15] <thaytoo> ahr
[01:16] <thaytoo> we're coming to Munich on our trip, but not going that far north
[01:17] Action: BBB is halfway documenting demuxers
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[01:17] <Company> thaytoo: who's "we"?
[01:18] <thaytoo> my gf and I
[01:18] <thaytoo> we're coming to Europe next week, for 3 weeks
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[01:18] <thaytoo> Barcelona for a couple of days at the end
[01:19] <thaytoo> england, paris, germany, italy in the rest
[01:20] <bilboed> thaytoo: when will you be in paris ?
[01:22] <thaytoo> the night of April 7th, and all day on the 8th
[01:23] <thaytoo> then down to Lyon on the 9th
[01:23] <bilboed> it's a bit chilly right now over here, in case you're wondering what to wear :
[01:23] <bilboed> :)
[01:24] <thaytoo> ta :)
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[01:30] <Company> that check takes a loooong time
[01:31] <ds-work> gst-compprep takes even longer
[01:32] <ds-work> 1) load every plugin
[01:33] <ds-work> 2) instantiate every element
[01:33] <ds-work> 3) profit
[01:33] <Company> you know what?
[01:33] <Company> gst-launch doesn't have a man page
[01:34] <ds-work> um, sure
[01:34] Action: ds-work points at tools/gst-launch.1.in
[01:34] <Company> man gst-launch
[01:34] <Company> doesn't work
[01:34] <taaz> gst-xmllaunch doesn't have a man page
[01:35] <ds-work> man gst-launch-0.8
[01:35] <Company> that works
[01:35] <Company> but man gst-launch doesn't
[01:35] <Company> i'll let thomasvs figure that one out
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[01:47] <ds-work> GStreamer-CRITICAL **: Factory for `ffdemux_swf' has no type
[01:47] <ds-work> how does that occur?
[01:48] <Company> i've wondered that myself
[01:48] <Company> happens when the core runs gst-register for you (if the registry isn't new enough)
[01:49] <ds-work> I feel it's about time to rewrite the registry code
[01:49] <Company> you don't run with --enable-xine, do you?
[01:49] <ds-work> no
[01:49] <Company> good
[01:49] <Company> i had expected that might be becuase of symbol clashes
[01:49] <Company> because it's only ffmpeg
[01:50] <ds-work> dude, how come *I* can't access bugzilla?
[01:50] <Company> bugzilla-test
[01:50] <Company> they have kept bugzilla down because they want to update it in the process ;)
[01:51] <Company> bugzilla-test has issues though (like not sending mail)
[01:51] <Company> read the devel-lists if you care
[01:51] <ds-work> it's been sending mail to gst-devel
[01:51] <Company> devel?
[01:51] <ds-work> er, gstreamer-bugs
[01:52] smoke ([email protected]) got netsplit.
[01:52] <Company> then they fixed that
[01:52] <ds-work> I have to create a new account?
[01:52] <Company> nope
[01:53] <Company> i just used my old account and all was fine
[01:53] Action: ds-work used the wrong password
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[01:54] <mathrick> nite
[01:55] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|sleep
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[02:12] <taaz> gst-compprep-check... cool ;)
[02:12] Action: ds-work has fixed some compprep issues
[02:17] <taaz> excellent ;)
[02:17] <taaz> do you have speex plugin installed?
[02:17] <ds-work> yes
[02:17] <ds-work> that was the one I fixed
[02:18] <ds-work> I can't figure out ffdemux_swf
[02:18] <taaz> i think i need that patch for debian package.
[02:19] Action: ds-work points to the ChangeLog
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