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[03:16] <ds-work> rock.  we have probed caps on osssrc/osssink now
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[03:23] <Company> gstreamer/testsuite/refcounting/mem.c
[03:23] <Company> yay for some of our code
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[03:27] <BBB__> what the fuck is that? :D
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[03:28] <Company> something that reads out memory usage or so
[03:28] <Company> it breaks the tests on the RH9 buildbot machine
[03:29] <BBB__> "I wonder why"
[03:29] <BBB__> ;)
[03:29] <ds-work> anyone have an oss soundcard that only handles certain rates
[03:29] <ds-work> mine does [4000,48000]
[03:29] <ds-work> I need someone to test the probe code
[03:30] Action: BBB__ has no clue
[03:30] <BBB__> ask someone who filed one of the bugzilla reports ;)
[03:30] <BBB__> I think mine does 4000, 48000 too
[03:30] <ds-work> well, I'll check it in and hope for the best :)
[03:31] <Company> grr
[03:31] <Company> no xvid in debian?
[03:31] <BBB__> nope
[03:31] <BBB__> mpeg4...
[03:31] <ds-work> libxvidcore4-dev - MPEG-4 Video encoder -- development files
[03:31] <ds-work> libxvidcore-dev - MPEG-4 Video encoder -- development files
[03:31] <BBB__> that's new ;)
[03:31] Action: ds-work wonders where they came from
[03:31] <Company> apt-cache search xvid doesn't find them
[03:32] Action: Company apt-get update's
[03:32] <thaytoo> I think I get mine from marillat's archive
[03:32] <ds-work> deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main
[03:33] <thaytoo> should be ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat now
[03:33] <Company> nah, i don't use non-debian archives
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[03:33] <Company> in those cases i compile from source ;)
[03:46] <thaytoo> Company: Is automake making you afraid of commitment yet? ;)
[03:46] <Company> i wanted to do something useful
[03:46] <Company> instead i'm waiting for buildbots to fail during distchecks
[03:46] <Company> and it always finds another thing
[03:47] <thaytoo> did Uraeus send you a DVD-ROM yet?
[03:47] Action: Company thinks it would be easier to just write a C file that calls a script than trying to include a script as test
[03:47] <Company> no idea
[03:47] <ds-work> fluendo.com has an interesting logo
[03:47] <Company> i gave him my address, but nothing arrived yet
[03:48] <Company> dunno
[03:48] <Company> i like the icon
[03:48] <Company> i don't like the big logo
[03:49] <ds-work> yeah
[03:49] <ds-work> a bit too colorful
[03:49] Action: ds-work needs to write a swfsink
[03:49] <ds-work> er
[03:49] <ds-work> swfmux
[03:50] <Company> someone should write smildec
[03:50] <Company> but that's boring as i don't have any smil files...
[03:51] <thaytoo> we need to hassle malcom trennidick to finish his libsmil
[03:51] <Company> i don't think we need that
[03:51] <Company> smil would be pretty easy as an autoplugger
[03:52] <Company> you'd need to add some elements to do some smil effects (that an NLE needs anyway) and you'd be pretty much set
[03:52] <thaytoo> speexenc needs to be finished sometime
[03:52] <thaytoo> we should pop all these things in the wiki wishlist
[03:53] <thaytoo> do we still have a wiki?
[03:53] <ds-work> probably not
[03:53] <Company> we have the todo xml
[03:53] <Company> but i don't think we have a wiki
[03:54] <Company> i want a buildbot
[03:54] <ds-work> the media test suite eventually should be able to say which elements are broken
[03:55] <ds-work> and it would be nice to have bugzilla automatically plugged into a chart of elements and their status
[03:55] <Company> as long as the media test suite doesn't file bugs itself i'mn fine with it
[03:56] <ds-work> heh, yeah
[03:56] <Company> i should start on writing broken testfiles
[03:57] <Company> that's what i want to do with that new element
[03:57] <BBB__> you are truely terrible
[03:57] <BBB__> :)
[03:58] <Company> i don't want to think about it when i watch half-downloaded stuff
[03:58] <Company> so i think about that before ;)
[03:59] <Company> another nice thing is that gstreamer allows competition
[04:00] <Company> it's fun to compare 3 asf demuxers about which one is less broken ;)
[04:01] <Company> yay, so that test leaked -7 elements
[04:01] <Company> the testsuite is pretty broken, too
[04:02] Action: ds-work thinks he might prefer the old bugzilla
[04:03] <Company> i think it requires getting used to
[04:04] <ds-work> I've been running the new version locally for a while
[04:04] <Company> the gnome bugzilla was very nice
[04:04] <Company> all the others were very cluttered
[04:05] <ds-work> yeah
[04:05] <Company> so the new one is 2nd best
[04:05] <ds-work> it's probably just a configuration thing, really
[04:06] <ds-work> grrr
[04:06] <ds-work> the switchover updated all the timestamps
[04:11] <Company> ok, make dist should work again (distcheck doesn't, it's too broken)
[04:11] <Company> apart from that, make check still doesn't run installed
[04:11] <ds-work> er, huh?
[04:11] Action: BBB__ commits docs to CVS
[04:12] <BBB__> if anyone cares, please read over them and check for obvious typos
[04:12] <ds-work> make distcheck always used to work fine for me
[04:12] <Company> ds-work: it depends on the amchine you're on (see buildbot)
[04:12] <ds-work> oh, right
[04:12] <ds-work> nm
[04:12] <Company> i'm off to bed
[04:12] <Company> gnight
[04:13] <BBB__> bye
[04:20] <ds-work> BBB__: what were the other qtdemux problems?
[04:20] <BBB__> mpeg4 audio/video, the esds atom
[04:20] <BBB__> that's all I know of
[04:20] <ds-work> ah, right
[04:21] <BBB__> but you'll need some changes to both qtdemux, faad and ffdec_mpeg4 for that
[04:21] <ds-work> i'll at least fix qtdemux
[04:22] <BBB__> make sure you document the names of the affected properties and their types
[04:22] <BBB__> I'll fix faad/ffdec_mpeg4 then
[04:27] <BBB__> (if you didn't already by then)
[04:27] Action: BBB__ has some demuxer documentation at the university, but forgot to bring that home
[04:27] <BBB__> ohwell
[04:28] <BBB__> two chapters is pretty good, I guess
[04:29] Action: ds-work fixes all the missing stuff in the reference manual
[04:47] <ds-work> BBB__: can you remind me what the differences between GstError and GError are?
[04:47] <BBB__> GstError is a category
[04:47] <BBB__> GError is a message
[04:47] <BBB__> GstError is used for easy translateable categorial messages like the posix error codes with strerror()
[04:47] <BBB__> GError is free-form strings
[04:47] <ds-work> ah, ok
[04:48] <BBB__> dunno why thomas wanted both but I'm fine with it
[04:48] <BBB__> I guess I should mention that in the PWG somewhere
[04:48] <BBB__> and I want to start working on the application developmnet manual
[04:48] <BBB__> (ADM)
[04:49] <ds-work> it can go in the reference manual
[04:52] <BBB__> maybe
[04:52] <BBB__> but a reference manual is a reference
[04:52] <BBB__> the PWG is a guide
[04:52] <BBB__> they have different purposes and work in combination
[04:52] <BBB__> both should be complete
[04:53] Action: BBB__ will put error handling somewhere in the introduction
[04:54] Action: BBB__ wonders how to explain how to write an autoplugger
[04:54] <BBB__> I don't even know myself!
[04:54] <ds-work> heh, delete that section :)
[04:55] <ds-work> I suppose I should write it while writing the new autoplugger
[04:55] <BBB__> it's currently empty
[04:56] <BBB__> the thing is: it would be a good section for advanced people
[04:56] <BBB__> I mean, pieces like Martin Soto's clocking documentaiton or (maybe) your future autoplugger docs are very useful for mre
[04:56] <BBB__> I know how most stuff works, but don't know everything ;)
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[04:56] <BBB__> we need more people that have a general clue how each and every piece works
[04:56] <BBB__> I want to be one of those
[04:57] <ds-work> what do we call "fakesrc ! fakesink"?  pipeline syntax?
[05:02] <BBB__> yes
[05:08] <BBB__> jezus f**********
[05:09] <BBB__> I just started reading the IBM document on GStreamer
[05:09] <BBB__> er
[05:09] <BBB__> Intel
[05:09] <ds-work> url?
[05:09] <BBB__> those people have re-documented our FULL!!!! API
[05:09] <BBB__> it's not online, I received it privately ;)
[05:09] <BBB__> "maybe it's useful since you seem to be working on the PWG" :D
[05:09] <BBB__> it's a $@&&!&#!&#!&! 211 pages
[05:09] <BBB__> !!!
[05:10] <BBB__> man
[05:10] <ds-work> and they're going to check it in, right?
[05:10] <BBB__> this is incredible
[05:10] <BBB__> dunno :p
[05:11] <taaz> heh, that's cool
[05:11] <BBB__> Gst Element factory * gst_element_factory_new(const, gchar * new, Gtype type, Gst element details *details )
[05:11] <BBB__> hm, I guess they're using some XML format that doesn't parse to .doc correctly
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[05:12] <BBB__> about licenses of plugins:
[05:12] <BBB__>  GPL   	                     /* or  Company confidential */
[05:12] <BBB__> :D
[05:12] <BBB__> guess what they're up to ;)
[05:13] <ds-work> probably writing codecs :)
[05:13] <ds-work> that would not suck
[05:13] <BBB__> well, it only discusses plugins
[05:13] <BBB__> not applications
[05:13] <BBB__> too bad :p
[05:13] <BBB__> this document really is bad
[05:13] Action: ds-work wonders if they might want to hire a gstreamer developer
[05:14] <BBB__> the font constantly changes :p
[05:14] <BBB__> even the color
[05:14] <BBB__> black -> blue -> red -> black
[05:14] <BBB__> they even discuss caps negotiation, and they seem to understand it pretty well
[05:15] <ds-work> well, we do have a doc that describes it pretty well :)
[05:16] <BBB__> interestingly, this is all about version 0.4.0, and much of it still applies
[05:17] Action: BBB__ now sees why it has 211 pages
[05:17] <BBB__> the output of gst-inspect for every single plugin is in the document
[05:17] <BBB__> :D
[05:19] <BBB__> and the whole API reference
[05:20] <BBB__> oh my
[05:20] <BBB__> interesting document
[05:20] <ds-work> boom
[05:21] Action: ds-work commits about 100 files
[05:21] <BBB__> how did the ffmpeg plugin end up in 0.4.0?
[05:21] <BBB__> nooooo
[05:21] <ds-work> ?
[05:22] <ds-work> the reference manual looks halfway sane now
[05:22] <BBB__> oh
[05:22] <BBB__> ok
[05:22] <BBB__> then it's fine
[05:22] <BBB__> I thought you were gonna do another indent-like commit
[05:22] <BBB__> that was the worst thing we ever did
[05:23] <ds-work> wow.  I might actually start using the reference manual instead of header files now
[05:23] <BBB__> is it online?
[05:23] <BBB__> please do make upload :)
[05:23] <ds-work> let me fix some of the bugs I caused first
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[05:30] <taaz> err.. what did i say before?  i meant gst-xmlinspect doesn't have a manpage.  not gst-xmllaunch
[05:31] <taaz> gst-compprep-check still failing it looks like
[05:32] <BBB__> what is gst-compprep?
[05:32] <BBB__> I've asked that before, I think
[05:33] <BBB__> how do I access the reference manual?
[05:33] <taaz> BBB__: man gst-compprep and gst-complete
[05:33] <taaz> command line completion for gst-launch
[05:34] <taaz> gst-compprep actually initializes every plugin so it tends to show some errors that otherwise get missed
[05:34] <BBB__> I had a test element that did that too
[05:34] <BBB__> er
[05:34] <BBB__> testsuite application
[05:34] <BBB__> showed quite a few interesting bugs last time I tried it
[05:37] <BBB__> it's in gstreamer/tests/instantiate/create
[05:37] <BBB__> nice, it segfaults
[05:37] Action: BBB__ f1x0rs
[05:49] <BBB__> hm, bad bad bug
[05:49] Action: BBB__ valgrinds
[05:51] <thaytoo> yo, BBB__
[05:51] <thaytoo> I have a new test element to commit tonight
[05:51] <thaytoo> navseek, seeks back and forward by 'x' seconds based on a left arrow or right arrow
[05:52] <BBB__> when will we get a player using that element?
[05:52] <thaytoo> I'm getting sick of sitting through DVD intro's over and over :)
[05:52] <BBB__> write a dvd player dude ;)
[05:52] <thaytoo> :-P
[05:53] <thaytoo> using the navseek element?
[05:53] <thaytoo> you can set your gconf output to navseek ! xvimagesink tonight, if you wish
[05:54] <BBB__> no, no
[05:54] <BBB__> I want a player like powerdvd
[05:54] <thaytoo> martin and I should be committing our elements this weekend
[05:55] <thaytoo> and then it will be possible 
[05:55] <BBB__> \o/
[05:56] <BBB__> so will you write me a player then?
[05:56] <BBB__> I have loads of DVDs that I can't watch because mplayer's UI is too difficult and xine is a rampage to install
[05:56] <thaytoo> I use gst-launch, will that do? ;)
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[05:56] <BBB__> no
[05:56] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[05:56] <BBB__> I want an app like powerdvd
[05:56] <thaytoo> totem and gst-player will both work soon after, I hope
[05:57] <BBB__> ah, ok, that's good enough :)
[05:57] <defendguin> whoa when was 8.0 released?
[05:57] <BBB__> defendguin: 0.8? last week
[05:57] <defendguin> really
[05:57] <BBB__> yes
[05:57] <defendguin> good deal
[05:58] <defendguin> im having a slight audio problem i was wondering if someone may be able to help. my audo sounds very very choppy
[05:58] <defendguin> im not running anything that would take up a lot of memory or processing
[05:59] <BBB__> define choppy
[05:59] <BBB__> ==26285== FATAL: M_PROCMAP_BUF is too small; increase it and recompile
[05:59] <BBB__> oh what the f***
[05:59] <defendguin> umm
[05:59] Action: BBB__ doesn't like valgrind all of a sudden
[06:00] <defendguin> small tiny skips in the audio 
[06:00] <defendguin> not smooth
[06:01] <BBB__> which version?
[06:01] <defendguin> im on a laptop using a magic media 256av card and the nm256_audio driver
[06:02] <defendguin> .6.3
[06:02] <BBB__> we messed a lot with audio in 0.8.0... please try that first...
[06:02] <BBB__> may sound like something big, but the thing is that I have no clue what things we all fixed since 0.6.3 ;)
[06:03] <BBB__> I'm sure I worked on alsa/oss a lot
[06:03] <defendguin> its not just a gst problem
[06:03] <defendguin> i just dont know a damn thing about linux aduio and i though i could find someone here who might
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[06:07] <BBB__> oh
[06:07] <BBB__> well
[06:07] <BBB__> yes we see that problem once in a while
[06:07] <BBB__> you could try the alsa drivers
[06:07] <taaz> BBB__: i've got a player... grab some old 0.6.x release and some version of gst-python from cvs and vdv works half ok.  goes between chapters and seeks and so on.
[06:07] <BBB__> some people say they work better for some soundcards
[06:07] <BBB__> taaz: no, a player for current CVS ;)
[06:07] <BBB__> "some" version of "some" package isn't useful ;)
[06:09] Action: BBB__ fixed segfault in gst-compprep
[06:09] <BBB__> taaz: do you package gst-ffmpeg?
[06:09] <BBB__> or
[06:09] <BBB__> well
[06:09] <BBB__> actually
[06:09] <BBB__> I fixed a segfault in my testapp
[06:09] <BBB__> :)
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[06:15] <thaytoo> taaz: vdv doesn't do seeking within the current mpeg stream, does it?
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[06:16] <thaytoo> it seeks to chapters, titles and sectors only?
[06:17] <defendguin> are there some rpm  for .8/0 
[06:17] <BBB__> on freshrpms or fedora
[06:18] <taaz> thaytoo: oh no.. it uses some awful hack of seeking to by sector or something.  very evil. ;)
[06:19] <taaz> BBB__: i'm going to package gst-ffmpeg.  i'm trying to get core and plugins done first though ;)
[06:19] <BBB__> ok
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[06:27] <thaytoo> taaz: so a sector on a DVD is a predictable time length?
[06:29] <thaytoo> oh, no
[06:29] <taaz> well, yeah ;)
[06:29] <thaytoo> oh, it is?
[06:29] <thaytoo> stupid non-documented libraries :)
[06:29] <taaz> the theory is that a player _should_ be able to handle seeking to any location in a vob
[06:30] <taaz> sectors are 2k or something
[06:30] <thaytoo> yeah, which is bytes
[06:31] <taaz> oh.. time length?
[06:31] <thaytoo> yeah
[06:31] <taaz> no i don't think that's predictable
[06:31] <thaytoo> okay, but I can get dvdnav to handle a seek by bytes ok
[06:31] <thaytoo> and convert bytes to block easily
[06:31] <taaz> but you could guess and just correct yourself next time time info is decoded
[06:33] <taaz> i think there is more time info for seeking on dvds.. i can't recall
[06:33] <taaz> definately need to support the (mostly) standard way of seeking using nav info
[06:34] <taaz> ie, the ff/rw skip pointers
[06:34] Action: taaz has forgotten all the terminology
[06:34] <thaytoo> and I've never known it ;)
[06:36] <taaz> i've been interested since long before there were libs to make it easy
[06:36] <taaz> yet still don't have a player ;)
[06:37] <thaytoo> I think I just need to implement the query format conversion to at least let mpegdemux seek to an approximate byte offset
[06:37] <thaytoo> by converting bytes to sectors
[06:37] <thaytoo> that will at least let navseek skip forward/back in time
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[06:41] <thaytoo> taaz: and both totem and gst-player do dvd playback using gstreamer, dincha know? 
[06:41] <thaytoo> of course they don't do REAL dvd playback, but they will
[06:41] <thaytoo> oh yes, they will.
[06:41] <thaytoo> mwaahahahaha *cough*
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[06:42] <taaz> thaytoo: i still think a dvd-only app is a fine idea
[06:53] <thaytoo> yeah, me too
[07:18] <taaz> in theory, vdv could take over the world.
[07:19] <taaz> i spent so much time making gst and pygtk work on my box that i never really got to hack on the app itself much :(
[07:19] <thaytoo> yeah, I saw that function
[07:19] <thaytoo> but it was only half implemented
[07:20] <thaytoo> anyways, I'm orf
[07:20] <thaytoo> cya!
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[08:22] <taaz> eh.. that got cut off i think.  ... that i never got to work on the app
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[11:09] <jdahlin> hmm, distcheck is still broken
[11:10] Action: jdahlin blames Company and ds
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[12:12] <LeRoutier> hello
[12:16] <bilboed> hi
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[12:28] <jdahlin> Is it possible to get a list of all installed plugins?
[12:30] <markey> I've wondered, too
[12:30] <markey> gst-inspect-0.8 w/o parameters outputs a long list
[12:31] <markey> but it lists stuff that's not installed too
[12:31] <LeRoutier> a way to know which mime-types are supported would be cool to
[12:32] Action: markey started working on KIOsrc plugin
[12:32] <bilboed> I get the following error when trying to ./configure the gst-plugins in gst-template : ./configure: line 19077: syntax error near unexpected token `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GST,'
[12:32] <bilboed> ./configure: line 19077: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GST, gstreamer-$GST_MAJORMINOR >= $GST_REQUIRED, HAVE_GST=yes, HAVE_GST=no)'
[12:32] <jdahlin> seems like a registry has a plugins list
[12:32] <bilboed> anybody knows what could cause that ?
[12:32] <jdahlin> missing pkg-config.m4 perhaps.
[12:32] <markey> yep
[12:32] <bilboed> where should it go ?
[12:33] <jdahlin> run an autogen again
[12:33] <jdahlin> should solve it
[12:33] <LeRoutier> it is shipped with pkg-config (get 0.15 from fd.o) and it should install somewhere like /usr/share/aclocal/
[12:33] <jdahlin> or use tarballs
[12:34] <bilboed> weird, it worked fine on saturday... thx for the tips
[12:35] <LeRoutier> oh, it only does this for gst-template ?
[12:36] <jonathang> is it normal gstadder has no fixate function?
[12:36] <jdahlin> jonathang: it's been unmaintained for a while
[12:36] <jdahlin> something is broken in it, we just don't know what at the moment
[12:36] <jonathang> jdahlin, yes i know
[12:36] <jdahlin> I've been trying to get thomas to fix it for a week or so
[12:36] <jonathang> i'm trying to fix it...
[12:37] <jdahlin> perhaps I can poke him enough to fix it when he comes back on monday
[12:37] <bilboed> LeRoutier: yep, only for gst-template
[12:37] <jonathang> jdahlin, thanks
[12:39] <LeRoutier> bilboed, so, try to copy /usr/share/aclocal/pkg-config.m4 to gst-template/m4
[12:40] <jonathang> is there a simple *working* plugin i can look at to try to fix adder?
[12:41] <bilboed> LeRoutier: LOL, I've only got a pkg.m4 that dates from Feb 8 2003 in /usr/share/aclocal/ :)
[12:43] <LeRoutier> that's this one, copy it
[12:43] <bilboed> LeRoutier: and btw, there is no gst-template/m4 , nor gst-template/gst-plugin/m4, ...
[12:43] <LeRoutier> oh, strange they did not create a local m4 dir
[12:43] <LeRoutier> not even a common/m4 ?
[12:43] <bilboed> nope :(
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[16:12] <dolphy_> Uraeus, trow hi
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[16:12] <jdahlin> hello Uraeus & Uraeus
[16:12] <jdahlin> err
[16:13] <jdahlin> trow
[16:13] <jdahlin> *!@# autocompletion
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[16:16] <Uraeus> hi guys
[16:16] <trow> hi dolphy_, jdahlin, Uraeus
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[16:41] Action: BBB waves
[16:41] <BBB> anyone got comments on chapter 4.1 and 4.2 of the PWG yet?
[16:41] <jdahlin> BBB, url?
[16:41] <jdahlin> is it up2date on the homepagE?
[16:42] <BBB> yes
[16:42] <BBB> use the CVS version on gst.fdo.org -> docs
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[16:43] <jdahlin> what about loop-based?
[16:46] <BBB> loop-based what?
[16:47] <BBB> I am currently writing a demuxer chapter, that covers loopbased stuff extensively
[16:47] <jdahlin> plugin
[16:47] <jdahlin> Ok.
[16:48] <BBB> loopbased is handled in chapter 3
[16:48] <BBB> chainbased is handled in chapter 3
[16:48] <BBB> and it says that get is handled in chapter 4 over there
[16:48] <BBB> :)
[16:49] Action: jonathang is currently reading BBB's pwg to discover why adder doesn't work ;)
[16:51] <BBB> :D
[16:51] Action: jdahlin hopes someone can fix wavenc
[16:52] <BBB> flacenc is broken too
[16:52] <BBB> bug ds to fix their capsnego
[16:52] <BBB> I already fixed {a,mu}law{enc,dec}'s capsnego this morning
[16:52] <BBB> will commit tonight
[16:52] <jdahlin> cool
[16:52] <BBB> and I told you guys
[16:52] <BBB> we'd have this issue in each every single element
[16:52] <BBB> and this'd last until long after 0.8.0
[16:53] <BBB> so face it, we'll have to fix it collectively
[16:53] <BBB> each and every single time
[16:53] <BBB> each and every single element
[16:53] <BBB> and it'll be very boring
[16:53] <BBB> :)
[16:53] <jdahlin> That's why we need a good test suite
[16:53] <jdahlin> so we can see when things break
[16:53] <BBB> maybe
[16:53] <jonathang> BBB, in adder, there is no fixate function, is it why capsnego fails?
[16:53] <BBB> no
[16:53] <BBB> adder needs no fixate function
[16:53] <BBB> imo
[16:54] <jonathang> i still don't know what it is
[16:54] <jonathang> just reading debug... :)
[16:54] <BBB> wait for thomas
[16:54] <BBB> he wrote it
[16:54] <BBB> I know little about adder or even audio
[16:54] <BBB> II'm purely a video person
[16:55] <jonathang> yes, but *trying* to fix it helps me understanding gstreamer
[16:55] <Uraeus> well I am not sure a test suite would solve all our issues, fact is we sometimes do stuff in core that breaks plugins and don't bother fixin it basically
[16:55] <jonathang> so it's no wasting time
[16:55] <jdahlin> Uraeus: maybe cause we don't know that it breaks things?
[16:55] <jdahlin> Uraeus: if we just notice exactly when it happens we can revert the changes until they don't break stuff :)
[16:56] <Uraeus> jdahlin: in some cases yes, but I am not sure the capsnego breakage is all an oversight :)
[16:56] <jdahlin> Error: small/everest.m1v : filesrc location="small/everest.m1v" ! mpeg1videoparse ! md5sink 
[16:56] <jdahlin> Child returned exit code: 14 (Alarm clock)
[16:56] <jdahlin> Error: large/matrix.avi : filesrc location="large/matrix.avi" ! avidemux ! spider ! ffcolorspace ! md5sink 
[16:56] <jdahlin> MD5Sums does not match. 01a88af228865c5b1bcfe062909012e3 expected, 20c30bfbee97f7ff87d3bd51ca1c3b1f received
[16:57] <jdahlin> I should modify the report to send something to the mailing list on a daily basis
[16:58] <BBB> jdahlin: send me a backtrace + file for mpeg1videoparse
[16:58] <BBB> I know how those work
[16:58] <BBB> jdahlin: I'm not on gst-daily for exactly that reason
[16:58] <BBB> too much spam
[16:58] <BBB> I Can't handle it
[16:58] <BBB> once per week is really good enough for me
[16:59] <jdahlin> BBB, the matrix decoding is well known, we should upgrade ffmpeg
[16:59] <jdahlin> will file for everest.m1v
[16:59] <jdahlin> if bugzilla is back again
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[17:00] <BBB> I meant for that
[17:00] <BBB> the m1v file
[17:01] <jdahlin> there is no backtrace, since it just hangs
[17:02] <jdahlin> can try to find where it hangs though
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[17:14] <markey> re
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[17:17] <BBB> jdahlin: please do
[17:17] <jdahlin> BBB, done
[17:19] <taaz> grr. anyone know off hand why cvs commits diff emails are not working properly?  it seems to be stripping some whitespace in some odd way
[17:19] <BBB> where?
[17:19] <dilinger> hm
[17:19] <taaz> makes it hard to take a email and use it to patch code.  diffs are just plain broken.
[17:19] <BBB> taaz: I noticed
[17:19] <BBB> it sucks
[17:20] <dilinger> didn't know i was listed as a developer for gstreamer on sf
[17:20] <BBB> I guess one of thomasvs' optimizations
[17:20] Action: taaz pokes thomasvs 
[17:20] <BBB> he's on vacation
[17:20] <BBB> I don't like the auto-indentation of CVS commits either
[17:20] <BBB> it's so error-prone
[17:20] <BBB> indent messes up so often
[17:20] <BBB> :/
[17:21] <jdahlin> I just hate it
[17:21] <jdahlin> Let's wait until thomas comes back and we can raise the issue
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[17:29] Action: jonathang thinks monday will be a hard day for thomas ;)
[17:30] <jdahlin> You bet ;-)
[17:30] <Uraeus> what happens on monday?
[17:30] <markey> judgement day
[17:30] <jdahlin> the fat lady will sing for us
[17:30] <markey> we're all doomed
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[17:33] <BBB> whee
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[17:39] Action: Uraeus thinks thursday will be an interesting day for our Barcelona crew :)
[17:39] <dolphy> Uraeus: it's thursday .. :)
[17:39] <jdahlin> Uraeus: why? :)
[17:40] <Uraeus> um, next thursday I meant :)
[17:41] <BBB> because?
[17:41] Action: taaz suspicious of all the ":)"
[17:41] <BBB> ds-work: any progress on qtdemux+mpeg4 yet? :)
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[17:45] <jdahlin> BBB, world domination
[17:46] <Uraeus> ugh, no not next thursday even /me is confusing the months :)
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[17:51] <iain> can anyone else get the fair scheduler to work?
[17:51] <BBB> didn't try yet
[17:51] <BBB> no time
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[18:02] <Uraeus> that is not fair of you BBB
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[18:22] <thomasvs> Uraeus: what is happening when ?
[18:23] <Uraeus> thomasvs: Wim comes aboard :)
[18:23] <thomasvs> Uraeus: when ?
[18:24] <Uraeus> thomasvs: 1st of May
[18:24] <Uraeus> I was confusing the months
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[18:24] <Uraeus> and next thursday is 1st of April
[18:25] <jdahlin> thomasvs: what on earth are you here
[18:25] <jdahlin> thomasvs: go skiing!
[18:25] <Uraeus> jdahlin: he is chatting from is N-Gage in the slopes :)
[18:26] <jdahlin> s/what/why/
[18:26] <jdahlin> Uraeus: hoho
[18:26] <thomasvs> jdahlin: people don't ski after six
[18:26] <jdahlin> thomasvs: lazy bummers
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[18:27] <dolphy> thomasvs: heya :)
[18:27] <dolphy> thomasvs: check your mails
[18:27] <thomasvs> jdahlin: more like "tired and dark"
[18:27] <thomasvs> dolphy: I'm trying :)
[18:27] Action: thomasvs made a five meter drop jump today
[18:27] <Uraeus> hmm, I have to buy myself a cell phone soon; will be the first time in 8 years I own a cell phone :)
[18:29] Action: Uraeus has considered an N-Gage, but in many regards they suck both as a phone and as a gaming device
[18:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: don't kill yourself
[18:29] <jdahlin> I recall quite good that you had a cell phone when you were here in Barcelona Uraeus
[18:29] <dolphy> thomasvs: otherwise i suicide tomorrow just to catch you in paradise to kick your ass :)
[18:29] <thomasvs> dolphy: why, you don't need me anymore from may fst :)
[18:29] <Uraeus> jdahlin: that wasn't mine, it was Larry's
[18:30] <jdahlin> Uraeus: ah, he's so kind
[18:30] <dolphy> thomasvs: read your mails :)
[18:30] <thomasvs> dolphy: I'm trying, I'm trying
[18:30] <jdahlin> dolphy: that'll only help him to commit sucicide earlier
[18:30] <thomasvs> IMAP doesn't work well over slow/broken links
[18:30] <Uraeus> jdahlin: yeah, Larry is the mother Theresa of the computing world
[18:30] <jdahlin> s/slow\/broken//
[18:31] <jdahlin> Uraeus: can you ask him to release the source of Oracle as GPL too
[18:33] <dolphy> nah don't do that
[18:33] <dolphy> half of the world will then try to crash my oracle database remotely with OOB messages :-D
[18:33] <jdahlin> hmm, true
[18:33] <jdahlin> that would make matthias pissed off
[18:34] <thomasvs> dolphy: not much new for me in my mails
[18:34] <jdahlin> and we'd like to avoid that
[18:34] <thomasvs> dolphy: well, we'll just need to discuss some stuff when I get back
[18:34] <thomasvs> but only when I get back :)
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[18:41] <dolphy> thomasvs: yeah don't worry :)
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[18:47] <lmjohns3> hi hi, anyone here ?
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[18:52] <apoc> hi
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[18:53] <sri> good morning all
[18:54] <apoc> BBB, Uraeus : got my mail ?
[18:54] <apoc> hi sri
[18:56] <BBB> apoc: which?
[18:56] <BBB> sri: hio
[18:56] <BBB> lmjohns3: sure!
[18:56] <BBB> lmjohns3: I fixed ALSA for you ;)
[18:56] <BBB> poor me
[18:56] <apoc> BBB : monkeysaudio test file 
[18:56] <BBB> apoc: yes, received it
[18:57] <BBB> didn't test yet, wil do during the weekend
[18:57] <BBB> but I suppose it works
[18:57] <apoc> BBB : ok
[18:58] <BBB> Uraeus: !!!!!!!!!?????????
[18:58] <BBB> wim?!?
[18:58] <BBB> you gotta be kidding
[18:58] <BBB> he's going to work for fluendo?
[18:59] <BBB> WHAAAAAAAA
[19:01] <dolphy> where did Uraeus said that ?
[19:01] <BBB> he didn't say the fluendo part
[19:01] <BBB> I was just exxagerating his words to get a reply from him to explain what he's talking about
[19:01] <BBB> ;)
[19:01] <BBB> but that didn't work
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[19:18] Action: BBB just searched for flights to guadec and decided not to come
[19:19] <lmjohns3> BBB: yeah, thanks :)
[19:19] <lmjohns3> BBB: glad you're here ... i wanted to find out if you're willing to let me rearrange the interfaces directories
[19:20] <lmjohns3> i put all the interfaces (colorspace, mixer, tuner, nav, probe, xoverlay, xlisten) into gst-libs/gst/interfaces
[19:20] <lmjohns3> this way there's just one marshal file, and one enumtypes file
[19:20] <lmjohns3> and the includes are <gst/interfaces/my_iface.h> rather than <gst/my_iface/my_iface.h>
[19:21] <BBB> we cannot do that, we've already released 0.8.0
[19:21] <BBB> I'm fine with it for 0.9.x
[19:21] <BBB> I have no strong opinions on locations of files
[19:21] <lmjohns3> that's what i'm saying :)
[19:21] <lmjohns3> ok, excellent
[19:21] <lmjohns3> is head still on the 0.8 branch for now ?
[19:22] <BBB> yes
[19:22] <BBB> I guess we'll talk about making an unstable branch or branching off 0.8.0 when thomas is back
[19:22] <BBB> ugh
[19:22] <lmjohns3> so i should just wait until we make the 0.9 branch
[19:22] <BBB> BA JFK->OSL is $2750 :'(
[19:22] <BBB> yeah
[19:22] <BBB> KLM is only $1500
[19:23] Action: BBB wonders where he got his $500 tickets for the flight from Schiphol->JFK
[19:24] <BBB> apoc: do you have interest in fixing flacenc?
[19:24] <BBB> iain: and you in fixing wavenc?
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[19:25] <jdahlin> BBB, maybe order them from holland instead?
[19:25] <BBB> perhaps... but for BA, that only gives me the option to depart from schiphol
[19:25] <BBB> which isn't particularly useful
[19:26] <jdahlin> try from belgium, I think there are flights from brussels to kristiansand
[19:29] <apoc> BBB : maybe ;) what's the problem ?
[19:31] <BBB> no, no
[19:31] <BBB> I need to go *from* new york city to kristiansand
[19:31] <BBB> not from amsterdam
[19:32] <BBB> apoc: it "doesn't work" (tm)
[19:36] <jdahlin> BBB, there are probably no direct flights, so you'd have to change planes at least once
[19:37] <apoc> BBB : it works fine here (ape to flac)
[19:37] <BBB> jdahlin: I know... but even then
[19:37] <BBB> $1500-$3000
[19:37] <BBB> that's gotta be cheaper
[19:37] <BBB> apoc: I tried, didn't work here :(
[19:37] <jdahlin> boat? :)
[19:37] <BBB> I'll debug later
[19:37] <BBB> also, gnome-sound-recorder doesn't work with flac
[19:38] <jdahlin> when I hacked on it, it worked just fine
[19:38] <BBB> hm
[19:38] <jdahlin> of course, that was a couple of weeks ago
[19:38] <BBB> maybe flac version difference?
[19:38] <jdahlin> 1.1.0 here
[19:39] Action: BBB will check tonight
[19:39] Action: BBB tries NWA
[19:40] <BBB> brrrr
[19:40] <BBB> $1600
[19:40] Action: BBB gives uop
[19:42] <BBB> bbl, I'm having lunch :)
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[20:03] <lmjohns3> gotta run, cheers
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[20:25] <Company> teh suck
[20:25] <Company> gdm and video driver broken
[20:25] <Company> ssh disabled
[20:25] <Company> nice to debug why it doesn't start ;)
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[20:31] <markey> re
[20:31] <markey> my plugin makes gst-register crash 
[20:31] <markey> gah
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[20:32] <Company> where?
[20:32] <markey> while registering ;)
[20:32] <markey> I call gst-register-0.8, and it segfaults right away
[20:33] <markey> what stuff gets called on registering?
[20:33] <Company> it just loads every plugin and calls the plugin_init function
[20:34] <Company> use gdb :p
[20:34] <markey> then my plugin_init is naughty
[20:35] <Company> that should just do a gst_erlement_register and be happy, no?
[20:36] <Company> --gst-debug=GST_PLUGIN*:5 helps with gst-register in any case
[20:36] <markey> ah yes
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[20:54] <markey> that bunch of #defines in each plugin is a bit weird
[20:54] <markey> TEMPLATE stuff
[20:54] <markey> macros suck
[20:54] <Company> it's C ;)
[20:54] <markey> yeah.. ;)
[20:55] <Company> hey, we could submit this to slashdot "Linux multimedia unites desktops"
[20:55] <Company> desktop unification stories are big
[20:56] <markey> hehe
[20:57] <Company> i want a gstreamer configuration file
[20:57] <Company> to overwrite defaults for element properties and ranks
[21:01] <taaz> I still have a WARNING from compprep
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[21:02] <taaz> I think it's the Cosine ladspa plugin doing it
[21:02] <taaz> ** WARNING **: 0 sink pads, 2 src pads not yet supported
[21:02] <ds> I haven't checked that in yet
[21:02] <ds> I didn't fix it correctly, though
[21:03] <taaz> err, SinCos plugin i guess
[21:03] <taaz> ds: you have a fix though?
[21:04] <ds> change it to GST_DEBUG :)
[21:06] Action: Company is going to write a scheduler, now, too
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[21:06] <Company> the discussion with ds and the fair scheduler isnpired me
[21:07] <markey> hum
[21:07] <markey> still crashes
[21:07] <Company> what line?
[21:07] Action: markey investigating
[21:09] <markey> |#4  0x402ab1b1 in _g_module_symbol (handle=0x807ce58, symbol_name=0x40079b82 "gst_plugin_desc") at gmodule-dl.c:142
[21:09] <markey> |#5  0x402abe1c in g_module_symbol (module=0x8086fb8, symbol_name=0x40079b82 "gst_plugin_desc", symbol=0xbffff14c)
[21:09] <markey> |    at gmodule.c:545
[21:09] <markey> |#6  0x4004e3ea in gst_plugin_load_file (filename=0x807f5f0 "/usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.8/libgstkio.so", error=0x0)
[21:09] <markey> |    at gstplugin.c:320
[21:10] <markey> ah seems to be related to plugin_desc
[21:10] <Company> you need that GST_PLUGIN_DEFINE line
[21:10] <Company> or lines
[21:11] <markey> got it
[21:11] <markey> |extern "C" {
[21:11] <markey> |    GST_PLUGIN_DEFINE (
[21:11] <markey> |        0,      /* version major */
[21:11] <markey> |        4,      /* version minor */
[21:11] <markey> |        ( gchar* ) "plugin",
[21:11] <markey> |        ( gchar* ) "KIOsrc plugin",
[21:11] <markey> |        plugin_init,
[21:11] <markey> |        ( gchar* ) "0.1",
[21:11] <markey> |        ( gchar* ) "LGPL",
[21:12] <markey> |        ( gchar* ) "GStreamer",
[21:12] <markey> |        ( gchar* ) "http://gstreamer.net/"
[21:12] <markey> |    )
[21:12] <markey> |}
[21:12] <markey> that ok?
[21:12] <Company> use GST_VERSION_MAJOR and GST_VERSION_MINOR
[21:13] <Company> and the "plugin" is a unique identifier, so it better be "kio" or so
[21:13] <Company> but other than that i think it's ok
[21:14] <jdahlin> kiosrc?
[21:14] <markey> the name not ok?
[21:15] <jdahlin> use "kiosrc" instead of "plugin"
[21:15] <markey> sure
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[21:16] <Company> nope, use "kio"
[21:16] <BBB> and make sure plugin_init is static
[21:16] <Company> "kiosrc" is the name of the element
[21:16] <jdahlin> what is the plugin name used for then Company?
[21:16] Action: Company hates people naming their plugins like the first element they put in there
[21:17] <BBB> jdahlin: general identifier for all elements together
[21:17] <Company> jdahlin: unique identifier of plugin and general description of what plugin does
[21:17] <BBB> try gst-inspect ffmpeg
[21:17] <BBB> and you'll see
[21:17] <Company> jdahlin: and someone might want to write a kiosink some day
[21:17] <jdahlin> Ok, I thought it was the element name
[21:17] <jdahlin> some documentation is needed :-)
[21:18] Action: jdahlin hides
[21:18] <Company> nope, the element name is in gst_element_register
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[21:18] <BBB> jdahlin: PWG, it mentions it ;)
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[21:26] <jdahlin> thomasvs: so, how was the snow today?
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[21:34] Action: Company so shoots MPlayer devs
[21:34] <BBB> gah
[21:35] <Company> make clean removes 3 files, but doesn't rebuild everything
[21:35] Action: BBB documents muxers
[21:35] <Company> so my svid update doesn'T cause a relink
[21:35] <Company> go mplayer
[21:37] <BBB> autotools boo
[21:37] <Company> is there something like findbugs for C?
[21:37] <BBB> what's that?
[21:37] <Company> findbugs.sf.net
[21:42] <BBB> lint?
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[22:05] <ds-work> splint
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[22:34] <markey> maybe there's a problem in my get_type() function
[22:35] <jdahlin> what does it look like?
[22:35] <markey> paste in /query?
[22:35] <Company> markey: you could just use the evil GST_BOILERPLATE macro ;)
[22:36] <jdahlin> markey, I'm not if GTypeInfo should be const
[22:37] <markey> not sure
[22:37] <jdahlin> otherwise it looks correct
[22:38] <markey> I'll try without const, but don't think it makes a diff
[22:40] <markey> *shrug*
[22:40] <jdahlin> did it?
[22:40] <markey> nah
[22:41] <jdahlin> maybe you can use:
[22:41] <jdahlin> GST_BOILERPLATE_FULL (GstFileSrc, gst_filesrc, GstElement, GST_TYPE_ELEMENT,
[22:41] <jdahlin>     _do_init);
[22:42] <markey> |    GstElementDetails kiosrc_details =
[22:42] <markey> |        { ( gchar* ) "Kio Source",
[22:42] <markey> |          ( gchar* ) "Source/File",
[22:42] <markey> |          ( gchar* ) "Read from any Kio file",
[22:42] <markey> |          ( gchar* ) "Tim Jansen <[email protected]>, Mark Kretschmann <[email protected]>",
[22:42] <markey> |        };
[22:42] <markey> ^^ this correct?
[22:42] <jdahlin> Don't ask me
[22:44] <ds-work> why would you cast a char string?
[22:44] <markey> compiler complains otherwise
[22:44] <markey> c++ compiler mind you
[23:08] <jdahlin> extern "C" ?
[23:08] <markey> yep
[23:08] <markey> it's needed for exporting symbols
[23:08] <markey> to prevent name mangling
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[23:22] <ds-work> Company: ever noticed that gst_use_threads() is completely ignored
[23:23] <jdahlin> markey: ah, so that's what it's doing. 
[23:23] Action: jdahlin need to study some C++ compilers 
[23:24] <Company> ds-work: yes, but i didn't tell anyone (back in the wtay and omega days)
[23:24] <Company> ds-work: i thought it would be hell to inmitialize threading without threads ;)
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[23:25] <Company> imagine nautilus-gstreamer with it...
[23:25] <markey> where's omega now?
[23:25] <markey> temple baptist
[23:27] <Company> www.pdxcolo.net
[23:27] <Company> /whois omega
[23:28] <jdahlin> why isn't he interested in hacking gstreamer any longer
[23:28] <jdahlin> ?
[23:28] <ds-work> Company: should I get rid of gstthreaddummy.c then?
[23:31] <Company> ds-work: sounds like a good idea
[23:31] <Company> jdahlin: honest answer: because gstreamer is out of the experimental stage
[23:32] <jdahlin> Company: too much practice?
[23:32] <ds-work> Eirk had been working on this kind of stuff for a _long_ time
[23:32] <Company> jdahlin: omega is an excellent guy at doing cool hacks, but his code sucks from a stability and broader design standpoint
[23:32] <ds-work> he just got burnt out
[23:32] <jdahlin> Company: and what about wim?
[23:32] <Company> pretty much the same
[23:33] <Company> (that's all IMO of course)
[23:33] <markey> it was pretty similar with aRts, as a side note
[23:33] <jdahlin> well, judging by the current state of gstreamer today I'd say its true for all of us
[23:33] <markey> stefan westerfeld hack it all up in a one man show
[23:33] <markey> then disappeared
[23:33] <Company> jdahlin: what's true for all of us?
[23:34] <jdahlin> Company: who's been hacking Gstreamer up and till now?
[23:34] <jdahlin> Company: well, it's not so bad
[23:35] <Company> jdahlin: we're currently bringing the legacy stuff into shape - we have basically replaced the stuff that sucked most in the 06 => 0.8 timeframe
[23:35] <ds-work> everything that's been changed since 0.6 has been an amazing improvement in design and stability, imo
[23:35] <Company> jdahlin: caps, caps nego, debugging, pipeline parsing, stuff like that
[23:35] <jdahlin> right
[23:35] <Company> jdahlin: you never get bug reports about that
[23:35] <Company> (never was an exaggeration ;))
[23:35] Action: jdahlin goes away for supper
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[23:36] <Company> the code we replaced gained a lot of features in the process, too
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[23:36] <ds-work> it's very nice now that negotiation is no longer mysteriously failing because a random GstCaps wasn't refcounted correctly and disappeared
[23:37] <ds-work> of course, now we have even harder, more subtle bugs
[23:37] <Company> yeah
[23:37] <Company> it's also nice that you can write close to any pipeline on the command line
[23:38] <ds-work> oh yeah
[23:38] Action: ds-work forgot about pipeline parsing
[23:38] <Company> and i've had 3.5 people praise my debugging system
[23:38] <ds-work> the debugging system rocks
[23:39] <Company> thaytan, wingo and thimasvs said it to me directly and another person used a stripped down version in a project of his
[23:39] <ds-work> I just wish the code had better balance among the severities
[23:39] <ds-work> Company: I copied much of it into liboil and swfdec
[23:39] <Company> the core did never get refactored, so it's still only DEBUG/INFO
[23:39] <Company> ds-work: i know ;)
[23:40] <Company> the only thing missing from the debugging subsystem is proper initialization
[23:40] <ds-work> in the hopes that some day, there will be a libgdebug
[23:40] <Company> and querying which  categories exist
[23:41] <markey> gst's progress is very nice really
[23:41] <Company> ds-work: are you using GST_DEBUG_FUNCPTR btw?
[23:41] <markey> and I'm also happy that there's a little competition from NMM now
[23:42] <markey> can only mean good things
[23:42] <ds-work> Company: you mean GST_PTR_FORMAT?
[23:42] <Company> i don't see them as competition yet
[23:42] <Company> ds-work: I mean GST_DEBUG_FUNCPTR
[23:42] <markey> they need to get their build system in shape ASAP
[23:42] <markey> sucks big time
[23:42] <markey> building NMM is rocket science
[23:42] <Company> i've never seen anyone but KDE say NMM
[23:43] <ds-work> Company: er, no
[23:43] <ds-work> Company: why?
[23:43] <Company> building gst is rocket science, too - but we have a rocket scientist ;)
[23:43] <markey> hehe
[23:43] <markey> builds nicely
[23:43] <Company> ds-work: i want to get rid of it when noone uses it
[23:44] <Company> markey: there are always issues coming up but thomasvs figures them out nicely
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[23:44] <ds-work> Company: yeah, let's get rid of it.  there are much better ways to do the same thing, imo
[23:44] <Company> markey: and the common stuff is easy: adding a plugin is 5 lines
[23:44] <Company> markey: and it even distchecks
[23:44] <markey> well I'm building my plugin with my own configure stuff
[23:44] <markey> KDE stuff
[23:44] <ds-work> Company: that is, there are better ways on sane systems like Linux and Solaris
[23:45] <markey> good thing is that tim jansen already had it started
[23:45] <markey> but didn't finish
[23:45] <Company> ds-work: i never needed it, so i don't care
[23:46] <Company> give me a patch and i'll put it in gst-plugins
[23:46] <Company> i'll even apt-get the stuff to build it (but not build it on my LFS machine ;))
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[23:53] <ds-work> does gst_main() do anything g_main_loop() does not?
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[23:56] <Company> ds-work: look cool?
[23:56] <mathrick> yo
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[23:56] <Company> oy
[23:57] <ds-work> Company: er, then I'm marking it "to be removed in 0.9" :)
[23:57] <Company> ds-work: fine with me
[23:57] <Company> ds-work: mark GST_DEBUG_FUNCPTR too
[23:57] <Company> ds-work: and opt ;)
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[23:58] <lupusBE> is there still need for jack now alsa and gstreamer exist?
[23:58] <LeRoutier> lupusBE, does your question mean something ?
[23:59] <ds-work> because jack is cool?
[23:59] <mathrick> lupusBE: AFAIK, Jack serves different purpose than the two
[23:59] <ds-work> because jack can do realtime, low latency stuff?
[23:59] <Company> jack is a sound server
[23:59] <Company> neither alsa nor gstreamer are
[23:59] <Company> we have esd though
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[00:00] Action: mathrick larts Company hard
[00:00] <lupusBE> jack has no network support
[00:00] <mathrick> lupusBE: that's very good for it
[00:00] <lupusBE> so I don't understand the need of it when you have alsa and gstreamer
[00:00] <mathrick> it's not like every technology on earth should be network-transparent
[00:01] <LeRoutier> lupusBE, they don't do the same thing. they could complement themselves
[00:01] <lupusBE> what can jack at when you have alsa and gstreamer
[00:01] <mathrick> gstreamer can use Jack, and Jack can use alsa. They're different things, really
[00:01] <lupusBE> so when will I need jack for example
[00:01] <lupusBE> to do what
[00:01] <Company> alsa cannot yet do what jack can (i think)
[00:02] <Company> if you have 3 apps
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[00:02] <Company> app 1 and app2 output is mixed to be input of app3
[00:02] <Company> app3 outputs to soundcard
[00:02] <jdahlin> ds-work: do you have any idea why wavenc might fail here?
[00:02] <sxpert> Company: jack is built on top of alsa.
[00:02] <danb> does gst_main use gtk_main? it keeps wanting my DISPLAY env variable to exist (but it might just be that i'm using gst-python)...
[00:02] <ds-work> jdahlin: does it work with audioconvert?
[00:02] <lupusBE> so alsa -> jack -> gstreamer would be better then alsa -> gstreamer alone?
[00:02] <jdahlin> danb: call gtk.main() instead of gst.main()
[00:03] <Company> gst-python uses gtk-python
[00:03] <ds-work> jdahlin: and could you attach the specific mp3?
[00:03] <mathrick> lupusBE: no, it's not like that
[00:03] <danb> jdahlin: so i decided to use a little less threading and stick the gst work in a separate process
[00:03] <jdahlin> ds-work: I don't think so (filesrc ! mad ! audioconvert ! wavenc ! filesink)
[00:03] <danb> jdahlin: why so?
[00:03] <jdahlin> ds-work: all of them fail, but they play nicely with osssink
[00:03] <ds-work> danb: no
[00:03] <danb> Company: ic
[00:03] <jdahlin> ds-work: hang on, let me retry
[00:04] <mathrick> lupusBE: jack is sound server for some specific usage, namely low latency, real time audio stuff, with interprocess audio exchange
[00:04] <danb> ds-work: ok. so gst uses its own event framework?
[00:04] <ds-work> jdahlin: um, it works here :)  presumably we have the same code
[00:04] <jdahlin> danb: since I think gst things gets hooked up nicely, and you can't use threads
[00:04] <mathrick> lupusBE: it's not like it's better or worse, it's complementary to gst and alsa
[00:04] <ds-work> danb: both gst and gtk use glib
[00:04] <jdahlin> danb: from within python
[00:04] <danb> ds-work: makes sense
[00:04] <jdahlin> danb: I haven't actually used gst-python with pygtk yet, I'll try shortly
[00:05] <danb> jdahlin: but why use gtk.main instead of gst.main?
[00:05] <jdahlin> ds-work: gst-launch filesrc location=Turrican_2_TheDesertRemake_OC_ReMix.mp3 ! mad ! audioconvert ! wavenc ! filesink location=foo.wav
[00:05] <jdahlin> ds-work: should be ok, right?
[00:05] <lupusBE> but you said gstreamer can use jack. and jack runs on alsa
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[00:05] <mathrick> lupusBE: yes, it's one possible scenario
[00:05] <mathrick> lupusBE: it's like X and OpenGL. Neither is better or worse
[00:06] <lupusBE> you mean that jack would be usefull if you have real jack apps
[00:06] <Company> jack is useful if you have apps that use features that are neither in jack nor in gstreamer
[00:07] <Company> ... in alsa nor in gstreamer
[00:07] <lupusBE> can gstreamer apps use those features of jack through gstreamer?
[00:07] <Company> in theory, yes
[00:07] <lupusBE> but in praktisch :)
[00:07] <Company> i don't think our jack plugins are very good atm though ;)
[00:09] <lupusBE> In mine opinion it would be good to have the option to install a netwerk sound daemon or jack if you install for example fedora
[00:09] <lupusBE> most people don't need the network sound daemon so :p
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[00:11] <danb> in the glib event framework, is there some event structure i can setup to listen on a file descriptor?
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[00:12] <bitshifter> danb: GIOChannels
[00:12] <Company> OMG
[00:12] <danb> bitshifter: k, i'll look into that...
[00:13] <mathrick> btw, weren't GIOChannels reworked / pending rework in new glib ?
[00:13] <Company> ds-work: could you please schedule pre- and post_run_func for immediate voodoo ritual murdering in 0.9 ?
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[00:21] <ds-work> Company: why don't we just rewrite scheduling from scratch?
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[00:22] <Company> ds-work: a) because we might be able to pull it off without "from scratch"
[00:23] <Company> ds-work: b) because we want it fixed now and don't want to start 0.9 that early
[00:23] <ds-work> mmm, true
[00:23] <ds-work> must... fight... rewrite... urges
[00:24] <Company> i'm still going to add gst_element_(un)block and write a queue that utilizes that
[00:24] <Company> and then i'm gonna conquer the world with src ! demux ! queue ! videodec ! videosink demux0. ! queue ! audiodec ! audiosink
[00:25] <Company> and _no_ thread in sight
[00:27] Action: ds-work wonders why gst_bin_get_by_name_recurse_up() is useful
[00:28] <Company> it's not
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[00:28] <Company> but wtay thought you needed two functions, one that recurses up and one that doesn't
[00:28] <Company> and i wasn't maintainer back then ;)
[00:28] <ds-work> recurse_down() might be interesting
[00:29] <Company> i'll hit you if you ever implement that
[00:29] <Company> people can call gst_object_get_parent themselves if they need that
[00:29] <ds-work> gst_bin_get_by_interface() does that
[00:29] <ds-work> Company: you're describing what recurse_up() currently does
[00:30] <Company> oh whoops
[00:30] <Company> i thought recurse_up only descendant into children of children
[00:31] Action: mathrick reloads shotgun and goes on his quest to kill every "Free Smileys" and "40,000 Free Cursors" popup
[00:31] <iain> ohh, I want free smilies
[00:31] Action: mathrick shoots iain
[00:31] <Company> what's those popup thing you talk about?
[00:32] <ds-work> how does gtk-doc handle signals and properties?  It doesn't seem to be working automatically for gstreamer
[00:32] <Company> whaddaya mean "handle"?
[00:32] <ds-work> convert to documentation
[00:33] <Company> it extracts them with gstreamer-scan
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[00:33] <Company> but don't ask me where it pulls the docs from
[00:34] <mathrick> Company: never seen any of those? "Get Free Smileys Now", with some stupid gif full of animated @#$%^ smileys?
[00:34] <mathrick> Company: on web, of course
[00:34] <Company> mathrick: not on my mozilla, now
[00:34] <Company> s/w$//
[00:36] Action: mathrick generally doesn't use any pop-up blocking technique other than "by default, open all new windows in background tabs"
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[00:36] <Company> that's not my problem :p
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[00:36] <mathrick> this is easier than checking every page that might possibly popup something actually useful if it really did
[00:37] <Company> popups aren't useful by definition
[00:37] <Company> problem solved
[00:37] <mathrick> Company: and AFAIK, Moz, at least Firefox, doesn't show you popups that were blocked on un-block
[00:37] <mathrick> Company: well, some login windows tend to be catched as popups
[00:37] <Company> i've never ever needed to unblock a popup
[00:38] <ds-work> "if I didn't click on it, it shouldn't open a window"
[00:39] <mathrick> oh well, maybe popup catching algos are good enough, I can give it a try
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[00:40] <ds-work> I always thought popups were a thing of the past until I tried Explorer on a friend's machinea  few months ago
[00:40] Action: mathrick unchecks "allow for opening new windows" in galeon
[00:40] <mathrick> hehe :)
[00:45] Action: mathrick kicks EU for screwing every good move with contrary "IP protection" initiative
[00:46] <Misirlou> HA!
[00:46] <Misirlou> mathrick is looking at pr0n again.
[00:46] <Company> nope, he isn't
[00:47] <Company> there are no smiley popups on porn sites
[00:47] <Company> shoops
[00:47] Action: Company shuts up
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[00:51] <Company> what's the GstError for "bad plugin"?
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[00:52] <mathrick> Misirlou: yeah, laugh. But my galeon crashes when I try to close pr0n popups ;)
[00:55] <thaytoo> good morning :)
[00:56] <mathrick> yo aussie, with your wicked sense of time :)
[00:59] <bluejay> Where'd the gst bindings page go? The link on the dev page is broken.
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[01:01] <thaytoo> bluejay: they disappeared when we moved the site to freedesktop
[01:01] <thaytoo> I believe thomasvs is working to put it back
[01:02] <bluejay> thaytoo: thanks
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[01:05] <bluejay> thaytoo: Do you know if gstmm tends to be stable?
[01:06] <thaytoo> I've never tried it, no
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[01:06] <thaytoo> I don't think it's up to date though
[01:14] <mathrick> they were last updated to 0.7.4 I think
[01:15] <bluejay> oh, that should be pretty good. Not much API-wise has changed since then, right?
[01:16] <mathrick> dunno
[01:16] <mathrick> but they compiled and supposedely even worked with 0.7.4
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[01:19] <ahern> Hey, I've got what I hope is a simple question for any gstreamer developers out there.
[01:20] <ahern> 0.8, specifically.
[01:22] <ahern> The documentation talks about gst_plugins_get_list() as the call to get the list of available plugins.  However, I (and the compiler) can't seem to find this call in any of the header files or the library.  I searched all of /usr/include/gstreamer-0.8, and did an nm on /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.8.so.  Nowhere to be found.  I've installed the gstreamer-devel-0.8 package, so it *should* be there.  What am I missing?
[01:23] <ds-work> you want gst_registry_pool_plugin_list()
[01:24] <thaytoo> bluejay: oh, yeah. if they worked with 0.7.4 it should not be too big a leap
[01:24] <ahern> Ah.  Thank you.
[01:24] <thaytoo> telling them to build against 0.8 may work with little or no extra effort
[01:25] <thaytoo> hi ds
[01:25] <ds-work> yo
[01:27] <ahern> That did it - my code works.  I'll have to find a better source of documentation.  Thanks for your help.
[01:27] <ds-work> ahern: where did you find such misinformation?
[01:28] <ahern> ds-work: I'm looking now.  This was code I wrote about 2 weeks ago from documentation I had seen before.  Today is the first time I've been able to look in depth about why it wasn't compiling.  I'm now trying to locate the source of those docs.
[01:28] <LeRoutier> good night ppl
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[01:29] Action: ds-work greps
[01:30] <ahern> http://gstreamer.net/docs/current/manual/html/index.html
[01:30] <ahern> ack...bad cut-and-paste.  Hang on
[01:30] <ahern> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/chapter-plugins-api.html
[01:32] <ahern> I followed the "Application Development Manual (Read this first)" HTML link from http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/
[01:32] <ds-work> ok, cool, I'll fix it
[01:32] <ahern> thanks!
[01:34] <ds-work> Company: where is gst_core_error_quark() defined?
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[01:39] <Company> ds-work: nowhere?
[01:39] <ds-work> Company: correct
[01:40] <ds-work> Company: now, _should_ it be defined, or removed from the header?
[01:40] <Company> ds-work: oh, it is defined
[01:40] <Company> ds-work: gsterror.c:164
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[01:41] <ds-work> ah, duh
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[01:49] <mathrick> nite
[01:49] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|sleep
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[01:55] <taaz> ds-work: so should i really just GST_DEBUG that ladspa line?  is there some better fix?  i can't leave that in for the debs since every plugin will spit out that warning.  and redir to null would be a bit evil too ;)
[02:04] <Company> aplint is boring
[02:04] <Company> splint, too
[02:04] <Company> it doesn't find a single thing to warn about
[02:04] <Company> or we'Re just badass coders
[02:10] <ds-work> taaz: for the .debs, just remove the warning
[02:10] <ds-work> Company: split complains like crazy about the macros in gstinfo.h
[02:11] <ds-work> because it can't parse variadic macros, apparently
[02:11] <ds-work> but yeah, I have yet to be impressed by splint
[02:13] <Company> so someone give me a better tool
[02:16] <bitshifter> **** Warning ***  ./testsuite/bytestream/test1.c:  195 - gst_bin_add_many call is not terminated by a NULL argument.  ;)
[02:16] <bitshifter> same goes for 193 gst_element_link_many()
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[02:19] <Company> bitshifter: fixed
[02:19] <Company> (locally)
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[02:28] <danb> what happens to a thread pipeline upon eos?
[02:29] <ds-work> it goes to PAUSED
[02:29] <Company> it stops, because it changes state to PAUSED
[02:29] <danb> so then you could, for example, set its state to NULL and clean it up?
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[02:30] <danb> does it do anything besides change its state to PAUSED?
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[02:33] <Company> i don't think so, no
[02:35] <danb> k
[02:35] <danb> yeah, the weirdness seems to be coming from somewhere else...
[02:35] <danb> hum
[02:36] <danb> if i have a thread pipeline, do i need to use threads_enter/threads_leave?
[02:36] <danb> or are thread pipelines automatically synchronized?
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[02:44] <danb> ah, found one threading problem. i need to use enter/leave in my IO event handlers
[02:57] Action: BBB mumbles something about ds fixing quicktime's mpeg4 pretty please
[02:57] Action: BBB is very undecent today
[02:58] Action: ds-work has tommorrow off
[03:00] Action: BBB thinks about how he'll document muxers


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