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[03:00] <BBB> muxers suck right now in gst
[03:00] <BBB> they're too hard to write rightly
[03:01] <ds-work> what is difficult?
[03:01] <BBB> it's not difficult, it's tricky :)
[03:01] <BBB> that sucks
[03:01] <walters> hmm
[03:01] <BBB> hi walters :)
[03:02] <walters> hey
[03:03] <walters> typefind seems to think digitally imported is x-theorea often
[03:05] <BBB> digitally imported? what's that?
[03:05] <BBB> x-theora is an elementary stream, btw
[03:05] <walters> iradio station
[03:05] <BBB> there shouldn't be x-theora typefind functions
[03:05] <BBB> is it ogg?
[03:05] <BBB> (vorbis)
[03:05] <walters> nope, mp3
[03:05] <BBB> oh
[03:05] <BBB> hm
[03:05] <BBB> odd
[03:05] <BBB> feel free to disable
[03:05] <BBB> x-theora is ogg...
[03:06] <BBB> (s/../should be/)
[03:06] <Company> x-theora is x-theora
[03:06] <BBB> isn't theora a video stream inside ogg?
[03:06] <bitshifter> it should still recognise x-theory just like x-vorbis (after demuxing), shouldn't it?
[03:07] <Company> yes
[03:07] <BBB> yes, but doesn't oggdemux take care of that?
[03:07] <Company> but ogg needs typefinding to figure out what stream it contains
[03:07] <BBB> aha
[03:07] <BBB> bleh
[03:07] <BBB> then I guess it needs some more robustness, no? :)
[03:08] <Company> "\80theora" is identified as theora
[03:08] <Company> does di send mp3 streams starting with that very often?
[03:09] <walters> Company: i would assume not...
[03:09] <walters> Company: it seems to happen about 1/4 of the time
[03:09] <Company> whoops
[03:09] <Company> big bug
[03:09] <BBB> I wanna see that
[03:09] Action: bitshifter found mp3 stuff falsely identified as x-theora as well on occasions
[03:09] Action: Company puts the gst_type_find_suggest into the if bracket
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[03:10] <Company> happens only when there's less then 7 byte data available
[03:10] <Company> so only with http
[03:10] <Company> no wonder i didn't find that bug ;)
[03:10] Action: taaz installed 0.8 debs without mass warnings
[03:10] <BBB> interesting bug :)
[03:11] <BBB> taaz: does gst-compprep work now?
[03:11] <BBB> I fixed gst-ffmpeg CVS yesterday
[03:11] <taaz> BBB: yeah, works fine
[03:11] <taaz> for core and gst-plugins at least
[03:11] <BBB> ok :)
[03:11] <taaz> i haven't done gst-ffmpeg yet
[03:11] <BBB> should work for gst-ffmpeg too
[03:11] <BBB> I fixed that
[03:11] <taaz> or player or editor or python... too many tasks ;)
[03:13] <walters> Company: thanks
[03:15] Action: BBB gets emails from random people if they may consult him for libavcodec/libavformat phone/email support, they'll pay cash
[03:15] <BBB> what do I look like, a helpdesk?
[03:15] <ds-work> heh, cool
[03:15] <Company> a poor student
[03:16] <Company> and tell KISS to piss off :p
[03:16] <BBB> why?
[03:16] <BBB> kiss is sweet, no?
[03:16] <Company> did they GPL their mplayer sources yet?
[03:16] <BBB> whehehehe
[03:16] <ds-work> I used to get unsolicited phone calls when I worked at Lawrence Berkeley Lab, until I told them to unlist my number
[03:16] <BBB> did you hear what came next?
[03:16] <Company> nope, only read it on /.
[03:17] <BBB> one of the mplayer devs (under NDA) got access to the KISS sources... they apparently gave him some money and then he signed a contract in which he said it was all fine... so kiss is legally ok now, and that dev (gabucino) is in big trouble ;)
[03:18] <Company> typical mplayer ;)
[03:18] <BBB> I don't have problems with kiss, I think they're sort of cool... it's not tidy of them, but heck, it's mplayer... why care?
[03:18] <BBB> there was some rant on mplayer-dev that some matroska devs pointed me at (they apparently read that crap) in which there was a whole flamewar about the topic
[03:18] <BBB> sort of interesting
[03:18] <BBB> (within quotes)
[03:19] <BBB> "interesting" <ahem>
[03:20] <Company> well, kiss is in trouble now, too
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[03:21] <Company> because they still have to stop distributing mplayer, don't they?
[03:21] <ds-work> my roommate has a KISS dvd player
[03:21] <ds-work> it mostly sucks ass
[03:21] <BBB> Company: no, because gabu signed the contract that said it was ok
[03:21] <ds-work> however, it does play ogg/vorbis
[03:21] <BBB> Company: and he was assigned as the legal spokesman by the other devs
[03:21] <ds-work> BBB: he's not in the position to say it's ok
[03:22] <BBB> so he had legal right to speak
[03:22] <BBB> ds-work: he, he was ;)
[03:22] <Company> ah, ok
[03:22] <BBB> and I guess he messed up ;)
[03:22] <Company> did i mention noone is the legal spokesperson in here for me? ;)
[03:22] <ds-work> indeed
[03:22] <BBB> same for me
[03:22] <BBB> though I probably wouldn't care much anywya
[03:22] <BBB> I'd just kick the company doing that badly
[03:23] Action: Company feels the pain *ouch*
[03:23] <BBB> not you :p
[03:23] <ds-work> voilating the GPL is halfway understandable for a company that doesn't care to be clean, but violating the LGPL is like peeing in the pool
[03:23] <Company> i wonder what would happen if someone was willing to pay 5 million $ to get a gstreamer snapshot
[03:24] <BBB> we had this discussion once with yippi in dublin :)
[03:24] <BBB> I said I wouldn't do it
[03:24] Action: BBB wonders if he would...
[03:24] <Company> yeah
[03:24] <Company> i just wonder what would happen
[03:24] <ds-work> gstreamer or gstreamer+gst_plugins?
[03:25] <Company> gst-plugins is kinda useless because of the libs it depends on
[03:25] <BBB> $5M per developer or in total? :p
[03:25] <ds-work> and there are a _lot_ more contributors
[03:25] <Company> but let's say both
[03:25] <Company> or as much as possible
[03:25] <ds-work> why not?  If someone is dumb enough to want a separate license for LGPL software, I'd let them pay
[03:26] <ds-work> I'd even do the audit
[03:26] <Company> i dunno
[03:26] <Company> but if i got millions, it would be a thing i'd seriously look into
[03:27] <Company> especially because i could annoy the hell out of all the people around here calling this stuff "a hobby" ;)
[03:29] <BBB> hobby+job
[03:29] <BBB> I do like to ennoy all those people that claim that you cannot are should not earn money with opensource software
[03:29] <BBB> several KDE people on a dutch linux network attack me for that
[03:30] <BBB> thye think I'm an evil monopolist or so
[03:31] Action: ds-work has made over 250k$ over the last several years writing open source software
[03:31] <Company> i have an issue with open source going to much in the corporate direction
[03:31] Action: Company has made $0 writing open source software
[03:31] Action: BBB earns his trip to NYC with opensource software
[03:32] <BBB> dunno how much that is
[03:32] Action: ds-work sends Company a buck
[03:32] <BBB> Company: how about fluendo?
[03:32] <BBB> good thing or bad thing?
[03:32] <Company> good thing
[03:32] <BBB> Company: got paypal?
[03:32] <BBB> I could send you a buck too ;)
[03:32] <BBB> or a coffee :p
[03:32] <Company> pff :p
[03:32] <Company> i'm not poor
[03:33] <Company> the problem i have is that too much corporate interests dictate what happens
[03:33] <Company> which is a problem for people getting involved
[03:33] Action: BBB doesn't like some stuff that fluendo does, but that aren't directly tied to the "object" fluendo but rather to how they operate
[03:33] <Company> yeah
[03:34] <BBB> I asusme they discuss a lot inside
[03:34] <BBB> and I have the feeling they sometimes forget to tell us about those
[03:34] <Company> but since fluendo isn't hijacking anything and not forcing anyone to do anything it's all fine :)
[03:34] <BBB> like what julien said about paying someone to fix opt
[03:34] <Company> i fear that with ximian and redhat, too
[03:34] <ds-work> dolphy just listened to wtay
[03:35] <BBB> "listened"? :)
[03:35] <BBB> it's his right to pay people to work on stuff
[03:35] <Company> you mean thewy flew him over and he told them he'd fix opt?
[03:35] <BBB> but if he's doing that as a favour to us, I guess it's a good thing to discuss that, as in "to ask if we actually want that"
[03:36] <danb> i'm in the gst_main event loop, and use some IO events to create/manage/destroy some thread pipelines. i want to destroy a pipeline when it hits eos, but doing so seems to segfault the program, since i trash the pipeline before the eos event is complete...
[03:36] <danb> (in gst-python, btw)
[03:36] <BBB> the signal should ref the pipeline, so that's a bug
[03:36] <BBB> but anyway
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[03:37] <BBB> you can add an idle handler and delete the pipeline later
[03:37] <ds-work> BBB: as a business owner, dolphy needs to _make_ decisions, not discuss them
[03:37] <danb> BBB: interesting. i remember seeing that technique somewhere before
[03:37] <BBB> ds-work: I know... as I said, it's cool
[03:38] <BBB> but if it's meant as a *favour*, it should actually be one, right?
[03:38] <danb> BBB: is that the "right" way to handle something like that?
[03:38] <BBB> danb: not really, but it's a good hack ;)
[03:38] <danb> BBB: alright
[03:38] <BBB> the right way is to reference pipelines before emitting the signal
[03:38] <Company> dolphy needs to make informed decisions if he wants to survive
[03:38] <ds-work> BBB: It's not meant to be a favor.  It's meant to advance GStreamer in a way that will benefit his company
[03:38] <danb> so they don't get destroyed until the signal unrefs it? makes sense
[03:39] <BBB> ds-work: hm, I guess you could look at it both ways
[03:39] <BBB> I'm not sure what his intention was
[03:39] <BBB> ohwell
[03:39] <BBB> if they get annoying, I'll tel them ;)
[03:39] <BBB> or start working for them :-p
[03:39] <Company> they want to have a working product
[03:39] <Company> and they want it yesterday
[03:39] <Company> without working
[03:40] <Company> which sounds a bit like it wouldn't work ;)
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[03:44] <Company> i just hope that there won't happen any tension between the "old" crew and the "new" crew
[03:45] <BBB> well, so far they've hired competent people
[03:45] <BBB> I guess that's the whole point of them: hiring the best people for the job
[03:45] <Company> what job?
[03:46] <BBB> but yeah, once we start having disagreements with "them" on the one side and "us" on the other side (I don't like these terms, but you get the point), I'm interested in what'll happen
[03:46] <BBB> the job of hacking gst for fluendo
[03:46] <Company> they haven't hired a single hacker
[03:46] <Company> thomasvs maintains the build and has written 2 plugins
[03:46] <BBB> I'd say that jdahlin is a good programmer so far
[03:46] <Company> dolphy has written switch
[03:46] <BBB> maybe not a hacker yet, but he's doing great work so far
[03:46] <BBB> imo
[03:47] <Company> they're all good
[03:47] <Company> but they're not (yet) the best people for the job
[03:47] <ds-work> we don't know what else they're doing :)
[03:47] <taaz> Hmm.  I have made $1 off of open source.  Back in the day I hacked a bit on guile bindings for objective-c.  Ended up sending something to FSF and they sent me $1.  They probably own my soul.. i can't remember what i signed anymore ;)
[03:47] <Company> you, ds, me, martin, thaytan
[03:47] <BBB> Company: I'm not sure about you, but dolphy has been trying to get me to work for fluendo quite a few times
[03:47] <BBB> taaz: you're evil
[03:48] <Company> dolphy knows i wouldn't work there
[03:48] <BBB> you wouldn't? why? :)
[03:48] <BBB> ds-work: did he try to hire you? :-p
[03:48] <ds-work> I told dolphy my price, and he stopped asking
[03:48] <Company> he's not the person i want as boss
[03:48] <BBB> :o
[03:48] <taaz> BBB: i am?  oops.
[03:49] <Company> and i don't want to be in the same company as thomasvs (see mailing list for reasons) ;)
[03:49] <BBB> I never told him my price... I just said I was a student...
[03:49] <BBB> yeah, I love your flames^d^d^d^d^d^ddiscussions
[03:50] <Company> i want luis as boss, but that should be known by now
[03:50] <BBB> ah, so you want to work for ximian? :)
[03:50] <BBB> how about redhat?
[03:50] <BBB> or suse?
[03:50] <BBB> (suse's german)
[03:50] <BBB> (actually, suse and ximian are both novell...)
[03:51] <Company> i've never met people from suse
[03:51] <Company> so that's like ibm: -ENOCLUE
[03:51] <BBB> hm, yeah...
[03:51] <BBB> sun?
[03:51] <BBB> I guess I wouldn't wanna work there
[03:51] <Company> redhat is a bit more conservative, so i'd prefer ximian
[03:51] <BBB> all those people proclaiming usability
[03:52] <Company> sun is not really an open source company
[03:52] <BBB> they'd drive me crazy
[03:52] <Company> and they use sparcs ;)
[03:53] <Company> i still want someone that pays me to work from home...
[03:53] <BBB> ds-work: do americans generally earn more than spanish?
[03:53] <ds-work> BBB: apparently
[03:53] <BBB> cornell university appears to pay loads more than utrecht university, which is funny
[03:53] <BBB> ...in a way
[03:54] <ds-work> BBB: specifically, people in the SF bay area get paid really well
[03:54] <BBB> and I suppose that's where you work... :)
[03:54] <ds-work> yes
[03:55] <danb> BBB: re: the unref bug we discussed: i'm using 0.7.6 and gst-python, so the bug might not still exist *shrug*
[03:55] <ds-work> although the Euro is quite favorable to working in spain currently :)
[03:55] <BBB> danb: the bug shouldn't exist in C...
[03:55] <BBB> it might very well be python-specific
[03:55] <danb> BBB: k. i'll accept that ;)
[03:55] <BBB> in C, signals reference themselves
[03:55] <BBB> (s/themselves/their arguments/)
[03:56] <danb> well, that's ok, because the idle handler is working ok
[03:56] <BBB> hmk... it's hackish though, you might want to file a bug for this in bugzilla and pray for jdahlin to have a bugzilla account
[03:57] <BBB> I'll bug him to look at it tomorrow
[03:57] <danb> now i just have some sort of timing issue which might be due to improper locking (or lack thereof), but i'm wanting to blame it on the GIOChannel code...
[03:57] <danb> hehe
[03:57] <BBB> ds-work: yeah, but the *1.2 doesn't compensate for cutting half of your wage, as happens at the universities
[03:58] <BBB> add up to that that budgets are ten times higher and laws are far less strict
[03:58] <BBB> and you'll see that I sort of like NYC so far
[03:58] <BBB> (then again, I'm a student so I don't earn anything yet)
[03:58] <Company> student jobs in germany are paid really bad
[03:58] <BBB> but the budget part of it is interesting
[03:59] <BBB> academic jobs in general are paid badly in the netherlands
[04:02] <ds-work> wow.  the pound is up to $1.80
[04:03] <BBB> ds-work: which company did you take to fly to barcelona?
[04:03] <BBB> I'm trying to look for cheap tickets to go to guadec this year
[04:03] <BBB> and KLM has proven to be cheapest so far
[04:03] <BBB> $1500 :o
[04:04] <ds-work> BBB: rule #1 for flying to europe:  fly to London or Schipol, and find a separate flight from there
[04:05] <ds-work> I took virgin to london, and RyanAir (i think) to Bercelona
[04:07] <Company> brr
[04:08] <Company> unreachable samba mounts screw up quite a bit of stuff
[04:08] <ds-work> and sterling from barcelona to oslo
[04:09] <ds-work> ryanair back to london
[04:10] <ds-work> ryanair flys to Oslo/Torp, which is about halfway to Christiansand
[04:10] <BBB> are there direct flights from LHR/AMS to Kristiansand?
[04:11] <Company> ah shiot, my bio and stuff for guadec :/
[04:11] <BBB> no, actually
[04:11] <BBB> first question
[04:11] <BBB> does kristiansand have an airport?
[04:11] <Company> a little one, i think
[04:12] <BBB> ds-work: and how about flying to paris (charles de gaulle)?
[04:12] <ds-work> paris is good, as well as frankfurt
[04:12] <ds-work> maybe a few others
[04:12] <ds-work> milan
[04:13] <ds-work> it might be a bit different from NYC
[04:13] <ds-work> since there are probably more direct flights to large cities from new york than san francisco
[04:14] <ds-work> KLM LHR->KRS from $192
[04:14] <ds-work> the cheap airlines don't fly out of LHR, which generally requires a 2 hour bus ride to get to the other airport
[04:17] <ds-work> Ryanair from London/Stanstead -> Oslo/Torp from 0.99 GBP
[04:18] <thaytoo> we're flying easyjet from london to barcelona
[04:19] <thaytoo> it cost a few pounds more, but flies straight to barcelona airport 
[04:20] <ds-work> what airport in london?
[04:21] <ds-work> Anyone need a job: http://www.schleef.org/~ds/scientific_programmer
[04:21] <bitshifter> Company: gstreamer/examples/retag/retag.c, line 86 needs a NULL terminator as well, if you're in the mood for another trivial fix
[04:21] <thaytoo> ds-work: stansted
[04:23] <thaytoo> ds-work: why do they/you require a PhD for that?
[04:23] <ds-work> stansted is nice, but (of course) an hour+ from the city
[04:23] <thaytoo> If I were looking for a job, it'd be nice
[04:23] <ds-work> thaytoo: it's a uni.  they like phds
[04:23] <bitshifter> not like Heathrow is any closer really, is it?
[04:23] <ds-work> thaytoo: it's my current job :)
[04:24] <ds-work> heathrow is 15 minutes from downtown with the express train
[04:24] <thaytoo> ds-work: oh, oops. I'm confused
[04:24] <thaytoo> stansted was where we were going to fly from
[04:24] <ds-work> from paddington, that is
[04:24] <thaytoo> but we got easyjet from _Luton_
[04:25] <thaytoo> ds-work: are you leaving?
[04:25] <ds-work> thaytoo: yes, in a few weeks
[04:26] <thaytoo> where are you heading?
[04:26] <ds-work> don't know
[04:26] <ds-work> it's just time to get a new job
[04:26] <thaytoo> *nod* 
[04:27] <ds-work> also, I know a company in the area that wants to hire a Gtk GUI programmer
[04:27] <thaytoo> gst-launch dv1394src ! queue ! { filesink } works much better than gst-launch dv1394src ! filesink
[04:28] <thaytoo> the latter drops loads of frames, the former is the best DV capture utility I have :)
[04:28] <ds-work> so if anyone knows prospects for either job, send them my way
[04:29] <thaytoo> d'accord
[04:30] <bitshifter> btw, what does fluendo do, if I may ask?
[04:31] <Company> bitshifter: fixed that, too
[04:31] <bitshifter> thanks 
[04:31] <Company> bitshifter: fluendo does buildbot hosting for successful open source projects
[04:31] <Company> bitshifter: they seem to also want to wwrite a streaming server some day
[04:32] <bitshifter> ah, okay
[04:32] <bitshifter> sounded like were going to do gstreamer-based media stuff
[04:32] <bitshifter> buildbot hosting for cash I presume?
[04:33] <Company> nope, for getting a multimedia framework to base their server on ;)
[04:34] <bitshifter> :P
[04:34] Action: bitshifter urgently needs some coffee it seems
[04:36] Action: Company needs some sleep
[04:36] <Company> gnight
[04:36] Action: ds-work prepares another massive doc commit
[04:37] <thaytoo> g'night
[04:37] <thaytoo> *yawn*
[04:37] <thaytoo> I'll commit some of the stuff I have locally this weekend
[04:37] <thaytoo> It's been a busy week.
[04:49] <BBB> Salary range $60,000-75,000. ? ds-work, that's about what I'd earn if I'd work full-time... dolphy thinks that's much?>
[04:49] Action: BBB thinks it's little
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[04:56] <BBB> ds-work: how do I access the gst API docs?
[04:56] <BBB> using yelp?
[04:58] <thaytoo> devhelp
[04:59] <BBB> I don't have that application
[05:01] Action: BBB downloads
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[05:05] <BBB> bleh
[05:05] <BBB> 0.6.x docs
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[05:11] <BBB> worse yet, the docs don't show up
[05:11] <BBB> what do I run (apart from make install in gstreamer/docs/) to get the docs to display in devhelp?
[05:12] <thaytoo> I'm not sure
[05:12] <thaytoo> there must be some kind of gtk-doc search path
[05:12] <thaytoo> I install the gstreamer-0.8 in the same prefix I've build devhelp, you see
[05:12] <thaytoo> since I build from jhbuild
[05:13] <taaz> i just use the debs ;)
[05:13] <BBB> you guys are so helpful thank you
[05:14] <taaz> magic file in /usr/share/devhelp/books/
[05:15] <taaz> i lied, symlink in that dir to where the docs are
[05:15] <taaz> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           37 Nov  3 16:09 /usr/share/devhelp/books/gstreamer-0.6 -> ../../doc/gstreamer-doc/gstreamer-0.6/
[05:16] <taaz> and i think it loads index.html from there
[05:16] <thaytoo> BBB: DEVHELP_SEARCH_PATH=$prefix/share/devhelp/books may also help
[05:17] <BBB> taaz: still nothing
[05:20] <BBB> bleh
[05:20] Action: BBB doesn't get it
[05:27] <thaytoo> heh, sorry :)
[05:34] <taaz> unfortunate.  it's a half-ok tool to find docs.  HeaderViewer back on NeXT boxen would kick its ass though ;)
[05:39] <dilinger> taaz: any gst0.8 packages for me to play w/ yet? ;)
[05:43] <taaz> yeah i guess
[05:43] <taaz> work-in-progress sort of disclaimer.  i'm probably not going to update the version to -2 yet so you'll have to do uninst/inst for updates
[05:48] <dilinger> taaz: where?
[05:49] <BBB> bed..
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[05:51] <taaz> http://crib.lehn.org:8080/~dlehn/tmp/debian/
[05:52] <taaz> the plugins are just the last ones i built.  the core is pbuilder built
[05:52] <taaz> and plugins diff and so on are missing, just have the debs there
[05:55] <dilinger> no source packages for the plugins?
[05:56] <taaz> eh, i'm lazy, you want that too?
[05:56] <taaz> it's just the tarball from the gst site
[05:57] <taaz> sorry, i'm a bit busy with other things.  let me make that stuff again.  i've been in quick hack mode vs full build mode for plugins last few days
[05:57] <dilinger> ok
[05:58] <taaz> actually, do you need that right now? ;)
[05:59] <dilinger> nah
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[08:29] <ensonic> hihi
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[08:59] <ensonic> l
[09:07] <ensonic> can you acces gstreamer cvs today?
[09:09] <sjoerd> ensonic: do you get ``No space left on device'' ?
[09:12] <ensonic> sjoerd, yes I do, seems that this message is related to the server and not the client
[09:13] <sjoerd> ensonic: i've got the same problem with hal cvs, which is also on freedesktop
[09:15] <ensonic> sjoerd: it is quite confusing, as the message not gives the slightest hint that it is related to the server, I was searching my sytem and the web up and down as I do have free space on /tmp and it is writable and so on
[09:15] <ensonic> okay so lets wait until someone fixes it ;-)
[09:15] <sjoerd> ensonic: indeed.. is had to do a strace on the cvs client to find out it's a server message
[09:15] <sjoerd> s/is/i
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[09:21] <sjoerd> ensonic: someone on #freedesktop that /var is full on the box
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[09:35] <ensonic> sjoerd, exactly what I did! byw. it is funny that they print out the 'no space...' message byte by byte 
[09:35] <ensonic> sjoerd: so the freedesktop guys already know?
[09:38] <sjoerd> ensonic: yep
[09:40] <ensonic> sjoerd, thats good, I was alreay trying to geo-trace the freedesktop.org server to find out it they are awake or still in bed ;-)
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[10:54] <apoc_> hi LeRoutier
[10:55] <LeRoutier> hello
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[10:55] <LeRoutier> fd.o CVS & bugzilla seems in bad shape
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[11:27] <markey> G_BEGIN_DECLS
[11:27] <markey> ^^ what's this good for?
[11:28] <jdahlin> it's a macro for extern "C" { iirc
[11:29] <markey> oic
[11:29] <markey> so I don't need it
[11:29] <jdahlin> #ifdef  __cplusplus
[11:29] <jdahlin> # define G_BEGIN_DECLS  extern "C" {
[11:29] <jdahlin> # define G_END_DECLS    }
[11:29] <jdahlin> #else
[11:29] <jdahlin> # define G_BEGIN_DECLS
[11:29] <jdahlin> # define G_END_DECLS
[11:29] <jdahlin> #endif
[11:29] <markey> ah yes thx
[11:29] <jdahlin> You'll need it in your header files I guess
[11:30] <jdahlin> if you want to allow C++ bindings of your module
[11:30] <markey> already got extern "C" there
[11:30] <jdahlin> Ok
[11:30] <jdahlin> Maybe it's better to use the glib macros, since all other headers do
[11:31] <markey> doesn't make a diff to me
[11:31] <markey> more importantly I want it to stop crashing gst-register ;)
[11:32] <jdahlin> heh
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[11:51] <Company> good morning angels
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[11:52] <apoc_> morning Company
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[12:00] <LeRoutier> is there a sound juicer out that supports gstreamer-0.8 ?
[12:06] <sublett> yes
[12:07] <sublett> I'm using 0.5.10.1 at this very moment with 0.8
[12:10] <LeRoutier> hum, i think it is this one i tried to compile against 0.8 and that complained that it did not found the 0.7 .pc file. let me check
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[12:44] <LeRoutier> sublett, i verified, sound juicer 0.5.10.1 does not link against gstreamer 0.8, only to 0.6 or 0.7
[12:47] <sublett> hm..
[12:47] <sublett> ldd /usr/bin/sound-juicer |grep gst
[12:47] <sublett>         libgstreamer-0.8.so.1 => /usr/lib/libgstreamer-0.8.so.1 (0x42d51000)
[12:47] <LeRoutier> checking for gstreamer-0.7... Package gstreamer-0.7 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:47] <LeRoutier> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gstreamer-0.7.pc'
[12:47] <LeRoutier> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[12:47] <LeRoutier> No package 'gstreamer-0.7' found
[12:47] <LeRoutier> checking for gstreamer-0.6 >= 0.6.0... Package gstreamer-0.6 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:47] <LeRoutier> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gstreamer-0.6.pc'
[12:47] <LeRoutier> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[12:47] <LeRoutier> No package 'gstreamer-0.6' found
[12:47] <LeRoutier> configure: error: GStreamer not found, or too old version found
[12:47] <LeRoutier>  
[12:47] <LeRoutier> well, i don't know how you did
[12:52] <sublett> ah
[12:52] <sublett> try this patch http://www.lstud.ii.uib.no/~s864/sound-juicer-0.5.10-gstreamer.patch
[12:52] <LeRoutier> k, thx
[12:56] <ensonic> hope cvs is working soon again, have a nice weekend
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[13:41] <Company> gst_pad_select has a broken design
[13:41] <Company> isn't used, so it doesn't matter, but the concept is cool
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[13:51] <jdahlin> so, cvs should work now
[13:51] <LeRoutier> fdo bugzilla reworks too
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[14:25] <Company> hm, schedulers are p?retty broken in some regards
[14:25] <Company> s/schedulersare p?/scheduling API is p/
[14:26] <Company> s/schedulers are p?/scheduling API is p/
[14:26] <Company> now i got it
[14:38] <LeRoutier> ++
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[15:07] <markey> re
[15:07] <markey> now I've started with a fresh plugin template
[15:07] <markey> and it does exactly the same thing
[15:07] <markey> weird
[15:08] <markey> maybe related to c++
[15:09] <Company> upload the code somewhere and i'll have a look
[15:11] <markey> well the code is just the plugin template from gst CVS
[15:11] <markey> I didn't modify it
[15:11] <markey> except remove some compile problems
[15:12] <markey> the template won't compile with C++ unmodified
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[15:15] <Company> maybe the template is borked?
[15:16] <markey> might be, but I doubt it
[15:16] <markey> how could a plugin make gst-register crash?
[15:16] <jdahlin> http://rafb.net/paste/ is good for pasting
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[16:20] <LeRoutier> re
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[16:44] <Uraeus> ello
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[16:44] <iain> yo
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[16:54] <apoc_> yo Uraeus
[16:54] Nick change: apoc_ -> apoc
[16:54] <Uraeus> hello apoc
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[18:04] <BBB> ola
[18:04] <dolphy> yo
[18:06] <BBB> You know, I'll check for cheap tickets to kristiansand somewhere halfway june
[18:06] <BBB> then I'll decide if I come or not
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[18:15] Nick change: Ura_out -> Uraeus
[18:15] <BBB> chris, if I fly to oslo, will you pick me up and ride me to kristiansand? :-p
[18:16] <BBB> actually, Uraeus ;)
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[18:16] <Uraeus> BBB: not sure I will ride on you, but we can travel together :)
[18:17] Action: BBB plans random things
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[18:19] Action: BBB notices a bug in the PWG
[18:19] <BBB> anyone wanna fix it?
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[18:31] <BBB> bbl
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[19:19] Action: mathrick waves
[19:19] Action: BBB too
[19:20] Action: sxpert too :)
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[19:24] <BBB> iain: will you fix wavenc?
[19:25] <iain> whats wrong with it?
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[19:28] <markey> |#0  0x40ed1e3a in fREe () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
[19:28] <markey> |#1  0x40ed1148 in free () from /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
[19:28] <markey> |#2  0x402af333 in _dlerror_run () from /lib/libdl.so.2
[19:28] <markey> |#3  0x402af044 in dlsym () from /lib/libdl.so.2
[19:28] <markey> |#4  0x402ab1b1 in _g_module_symbol (handle=0x807ce58, symbol_name=0x40079b82 "gst_plugin_desc") at gmodule-dl.c:142
[19:28] <markey> |#5  0x402abe1c in g_module_symbol (module=0x8086fb8, symbol_name=0x40079b82 "gst_plugin_desc", symbol=0xbffff17c)
[19:28] <markey> |    at gmodule.c:545
[19:28] <markey> |#6  0x4004e3ea in gst_plugin_load_file (filename=0x807f5f0 "/usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.8/libgstkio.so", error=0x0)
[19:29] <markey> |    at gstplugin.c:320
[19:29] <markey> |#7  0x40070497 in gst_xml_registry_rebuild (registry=0x80537c0) at gstxmlregistry.c:1359
[19:29] <markey> |#8  0x40063a46 in gst_registry_rebuild (registry=0x80537c0) at gstregistry.c:181
[19:29] <markey> |#9  0x08048da9 in main (argc=1, argv=0xbffff2e4) at gst-register.c:121
[19:29] <markey> |#10 0x403384f2 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
[19:29] <markey> this is from gst-register-0.8 crashing
[19:29] <markey> </flood>
[19:29] <markey> maybe someone has an idea
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[19:30] <Uraeus> hi bilboed_school
[19:30] <mathrick> whoa, what is that fREe() func? some h4x0r version ? ;)
[19:30] <mathrick> yo bilboed_school
[19:30] <markey> looks funky doesn't it
[19:30] <markey> I'm wondering, too
[19:31] <Uraeus> markey: you make a kioslaves plugin?
[19:31] <markey> yep
[19:31] <Uraeus> cool :)
[19:31] <markey> not so cool yet ;)
[19:31] <markey> more crashy
[19:31] <BBB> use valgrind, markey
[19:31] <mathrick> markey: maybe you got hit by gamma ray or something? like, 2 bits toggled, looks funky
[19:31] <markey> heh
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[19:31] <BBB> bbl
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[19:31] <Uraeus> iain: I think wavenc has fixate issues if I remember the discussion correctly
[19:33] <bilboed_school> yo
[19:33] <iain> oh like I know how to fix those ...
[19:34] <Uraeus> bilboed_school: so how does it go with you guys? we want a status report :)
[19:36] <bilboed_school> Uraeus: slower than what I expected :(
[19:37] <bilboed_school> we're simultaneously working on plugins, gnonlin and gui
[19:38] <bilboed_school> I should have a first *real* documentation for gnonlin available within 7 days
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[19:41] <Uraeus> bilboed_school: ok, so is gnonlin updated to gstreamer 0.8 yet? 
[19:42] <sri> good morning :)
[19:43] <Uraeus> hi sri
[19:43] <sri> Uraeus: great article on svg btw. :-)
[19:43] <Uraeus> sri: thanks :)
[19:43] <sri> Uraeus: I was really excited by teh possibilities..I'm thinking svg anim used properly would make a great enhacement.
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[19:44] <bilboed_school> Uraeus : yes, well at least it compiles :) Got to get it working
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[19:47] <Uraeus> bilboed_school: ok, well as you guy progress it would be really nice if you posted some status reports to gst-devel so we can see how things progress :)
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[21:19] <LeRoutier> hello
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[21:24] <LeRoutier> which pipelines should i use to play an ASF files ? (1 pipeline for wma & 1 for wmv)
[21:24] <LeRoutier> i tried : gst-launch-0.8 gnomevfssrc location=file:/mnt/windows/D/gstreamer/supported/Microsoft\ ASF/audio_wma/04\ trois\ vieux\ papis.wma !  typefind ! spider ! alsasink device=hw:0 | more
[21:24] <LeRoutier> but it fails badly
[21:30] <Uraeus> LeRoutier: do the wma have DRM ?
[21:31] <LeRoutier> i don't think so, they look like rips
[21:31] <LeRoutier> a way to be sure ?
[21:31] <LeRoutier> mplayer plays them but i don't know if it supports wma drm
[21:32] <Uraeus> LeRoutier: me neither, apoc-out is the person to ask about wma stuff though, could be your pipeline is simply wrong :)
[21:33] <LeRoutier> well, typefind+spider should be the universal pipeline
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[21:34] <LeRoutier> hello BBB
[21:34] <BBB> (as a variation on waving)
[21:34] <BBB> anyone got cool bugs for me to fix tomorrow night?
[21:34] <BBB> or sunday morning?
[21:34] <LeRoutier> well, if you insist, seems it still can't play my wma files
[21:35] <BBB> uhm
[21:35] <BBB> we fixed that recently, no?
[21:35] <BBB> is that the bug report that I just kicked?
[21:35] <LeRoutier> well, it's what you wrote on my bug report
[21:35] <LeRoutier> yep
[21:35] <BBB> k, will try
[21:35] <BBB> asfdemux bug maybe?
[21:35] <BBB> does ffplay play it back?
[21:35] <LeRoutier> i don't know, i only tried with typefind+spider
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[21:36] <BBB> try ffplay
[21:36] <BBB> it's in gst-ffmpeg
[21:36] <LeRoutier> i tried : gst-launch-0.8 gnomevfssrc location=file:/mnt/windows/D/gstreamer/supported/Microsoft\ ASF/audio_wma/04\
[21:36] <BBB> gst-ffmpeg/gst-libs/ext/ffmpeg/ffplay
[21:36] <BBB> I need to know if it's a ffmpeg bug or a asfdemux bug
[21:36] <LeRoutier> well, i still can't compile gst-ffmpeg (my asm compilation error), which looks like a local install problem
[21:36] <BBB> that's really odd...
[21:37] Action: BBB will look one day
[21:37] <LeRoutier> well, at least my wma are playable by mplayer. what pipeline should i use to play a wma ?
[21:38] <LeRoutier> for now, i tried : gst-launch-0.8 gnomevfssrc location=file:/mnt/windows/D/gstreamer/supported/Microsoft\ ASF/audio_wma/04\ trois\ vieux\ papis.wma !  typefind ! spider ! alsasink device=hw:0 | more
[21:38] <LeRoutier> but it gives me tons of output but no sound
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[21:40] <BBB> you cannot playback wma without ffmpeg
[21:40] <BBB> ...
[21:40] <LeRoutier> ok, that explains my problem
[21:41] <LeRoutier> well, i'll have to wait for gentoo to ship the gst-ffmpeg to see what goes wrong with my home made ebuild
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[21:48] <BBB> really odd
[21:49] <LeRoutier> did the asf fix went in before 0.8.0 or since this release ?
[21:50] <BBB> there was no asf fix
[21:50] <BBB> only wma fixes
[21:50] <BBB> before 0.7.6 even
[21:50] <LeRoutier> ok, good. i just disinstalled CVS version of gstreamer and i'm installing the gstreamer 0.8.0 which is masked in portage
[21:51] <LeRoutier> if ffmpeg is included, i'll see if it works or not
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[21:53] <LeRoutier> does hadess come here sometimes ?
[21:54] <LeRoutier> i mean Bastien Nocera
[21:55] <mathrick> very rarely, you're better off catching him on #[email protected]
[21:55] <LeRoutier> oh, thx
[21:58] <LeRoutier> someone know who did acme integration into gnome 2.6 ? (i think it's him but i'm not sure)
[22:01] <mathrick> LeRoutier: he's maintainer, and afaik did most of the integration work
[22:01] <LeRoutier> ok, so i'll have to wait for him
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[22:06] <BBB> mathrick: any progress on MMS yet?
[22:06] Action: BBB bugs mathrick once every while
[22:09] <BBB> mathrick: like, a mmssrc element? :)
[22:10] <Uraeus> who care about a mms element, what we need is a helix plugin so we can offer people a legal way to play back mp3
[22:10] <mathrick> Uraeus: why is it legal? or why is our current way illegal?
[22:11] <BBB> mathrick: answer me damnit :-p
[22:11] <Uraeus> mathrick: because Real has a mp3 patent license, we don't
[22:11] <LeRoutier> i thought only mp3 encoding was subject to fees, not decoding
[22:11] Action: bitshifter thought only _encoding_ mp3 is a legal issue, not decoding it
[22:11] <mathrick> BBB: I appreciate any stimulation. Still fighting w/ myself and my slackiness
[22:11] Action: mathrick kicks himself into some kind of shape
[22:12] <BBB> mathrick: did you never notice that all live streams on 18+ sites are MMS? is that enough stimulation for you?
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[22:12] <mathrick> BBB: not really, I don't fancy pr0n too much ;P
[22:12] <Uraeus> LeRoutier, bitshifter: when you say it I seems to have heard the same. I need to check up on that
[22:13] <mathrick> BBB: but you guys kicking me from time to time is good already
[22:14] <Uraeus> LeRoutier, bitshifter: ah no, what the license says is that free of charge players distributed over the internet does not need to pay a fee, which do not include distributions on a cd/dvd 
[22:15] <mathrick> BBB: I think there should be a way for you to give me electric shock remotely, now that would be stimulating :)
[22:15] Action: mathrick googles for circuit designs to that
[22:15] <Uraeus> and considering how many times Red Hat gets kicked in reviews for not supporting mp3 playback I think we need to support in it order to make sure Red Hat doesn't consider other options
[22:16] <Uraeus> I mean the Red Hat guys has made it clear at GUADEC etc., that mp3 support is something they think they need for a desktop oriented distro
[22:16] <BBB> eh?
[22:16] <BBB> redhat would never use a real license for that
[22:16] <BBB> you know that
[22:16] <Uraeus> why not?
[22:16] <BBB> the real license obviously states that redistribution is not allowed except via real's own website
[22:17] <BBB> so you need to download real manually
[22:17] <BBB> only then is it legal
[22:17] <BBB> mathrick: GO FINISH IT! ;)
[22:17] <Uraeus> BBB: they could enter into a distribution agreement with real
[22:17] <BBB> they can't
[22:17] <BBB> mpegla isn't *that* stupid
[22:18] <Uraeus> what do you mean?
[22:18] <BBB> their contract with mpegla almost certainly contains an exception that only applies to personal use without redistribution
[22:18] <BBB> not to resale or commercial redistribution, like redhat
[22:18] <Uraeus> um, the Real player has been shipped with pre-installed computers etc.
[22:18] <BBB> so redhat would still have toi buy licenses at mpegla
[22:18] <BBB> yes, I know, and don't ask me how they did that
[22:18] <BBB> but this wouldn't work
[22:18] <BBB> believe me
[22:19] <BBB> I've been bugged too much by mpegla already
[22:19] <mathrick> why won't RH buy the license itself then, instead of making some dodgy agreements with real?
[22:19] <BBB> too expensive
[22:19] <Uraeus> and I think Real got their license early which means frauenhofer was probably was willing to give them a good deal at the time
[22:19] <mathrick> hmm, like how much?
[22:19] <BBB> dunno
[22:19] <BBB> Uraeus: _not_ _a_ _chance_ :)
[22:20] <BBB> mathrick: email mpegla to find out ;)
[22:21] <mathrick> ahh, suckage
[22:21] <BBB> and we really don't need yet another stupid wrapper
[22:21] <BBB> we need workingness
[22:21] <BBB> "why doesn't totem play all my movies?"
[22:21] <BBB> because our elements aren't perfect yet
[22:21] Action: mathrick shoots every patent law out there
[22:21] <BBB> so let's do some QA in the next few months
[22:21] <BBB> and I'm seruious here: report every single fucking movie that doesn't playback correctly using basicgthread
[22:21] <BBB> I want to fix each and every single one of them
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[22:22] <LeRoutier> the default scheduler has been changed to basicgthread ?
[22:22] <BBB> no
[22:22] <BBB> but I refuse to debug opt, since it's broken to bare bones
[22:22] <jdahlin> BBB, s/basicgthread/opt/ ?
[22:23] <Uraeus> hmm, your right the Helix site clearly states you need to buy a mp3 license separatly 
[22:23] <BBB> told ya :)
[22:23] <BBB> mpegla is a very evil tricky organisation
[22:23] <BBB> purely out there to make a profit
[22:23] <jdahlin> BBB, well, someone else might do it
[22:23] <BBB> and they're damn good at it
[22:23] <Uraeus> when does the mp3 patent expire?
[22:23] <BBB> dunno, but then we've got the same issue with .m4a
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[22:24] <BBB> jdahlin: if others wqant to fix opt, fine: I won't :)
[22:24] <Uraeus> yes, but getting people to use Ogg for their new songs is probably easier than getting them to convert their current mp3's
[22:24] <iain> Uraeus: patents are what, 15/20 years?
[22:24] <BBB> 20, ususally
[22:24] Action: BBB brb
[22:24] <Uraeus> iain: one of those yes, not sure when the mp3 patent was granted
[22:24] <BBB> test all movies and report failing ones, please please please
[22:24] Action: BBB bbl
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[22:25] <iain> Uraeus: well, if we assume early 90s, thats still 2010 at the earliest
[22:26] <Uraeus> yeah, I guess waiting them out doesn't really solve anything :)
[22:27] <iain> no, not really
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[23:13] <LeRoutier> argh, i hate ffmpeg
[23:14] <Uraeus> hmm, but love is in the air, everywhere you look around
[23:16] <grub_booter> ffmpeg is great :-)
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[23:17] <sxpert> lol
[23:17] <LeRoutier> well, i discovered why gst-ffmpeg was not compiling on ly box for more than 1 month :
[23:18] <LeRoutier> it won't compile with -O0 nor -02, -03  but it compiles without a glitch with -O1
[23:19] <LeRoutier> seems the error i had with gcc was specialy invented for ffmpeg as the first page of google when looking for this bug is exclusively about ffmpeg miscompiling
[23:19] <sxpert> lol
[23:20] <grub_booter> heh
[23:20] <LeRoutier> well, now that i have gst-ffmpeg to compile, i can test my .wma to see if gstreamer can read it and close the bug if it is fixed
[23:20] <Uraeus> thomasvs: should I upload bad mp3's etc, to freedesktop? Attaching them to bugzilla's tend to time out for me
[23:31] <mathrick> gah, I'm sleepy
[23:31] <mathrick> nite
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[23:36] Nick change: sxpert|party|at- -> sxpert
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[23:41] <LeRoutier> good, i can play wma & wmv (only if using basicgthread, no way with opt)
[23:43] <grub_booter> you're just using libavformat/codec, right?
[23:45] <LeRoutier> well, i'm using gst-launch with ffdec_wma2
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[23:48] <grub_booter> oh - sorry - thought you were tackling the code
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[23:52] <LeRoutier> is there a way to fix my preferate scheduler as default (like a gconf key) ?
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[23:59] <Uraeus> LeRoutier: no gconf key, but it should be relativly simple to change in application source code
[23:59] <Uraeus> you could file a bug report suggesting such a gconf key of course
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[00:08] <LeRoutier> Uraeus, ok, filling it now
[00:11] <LeRoutier> filled : http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=138252
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