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[03:01] <bluejay> If this has already been suggested, please ignore me.
[03:02] <bluejay> The default output plugin is osssink. When a user has alsasink installed but not osssink, rhythmbox fails to play anything because it can't find the output plugin.
[03:03] <bluejay> There should be a way for a program to ask gst for the 'right' output plugin and just use that.
[03:03] <bluejay> And gst should return some output plugin no matter what, even if it isn't set as the default.
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[03:53] <thaytan> hi, everyone
[04:00] <steve_b_> hi
[04:02] <thaytan> how's it going?
[04:02] <thaytan> I've got my DVD menus back to where I had them before, so I'm happy
[04:03] <steve_b_> not bad. no sign of bub making an appearence
[04:03] <steve_b_> how did you loose them?
[04:03] <thaytan> they should hit CVS tomorrow with Martin's changes too
[04:03] <thaytan> the laptop I had at LCA got stolen
[04:03] <steve_b_> suck, at airport?
[04:03] <thaytan> do the doctors have plans to push bub along, or waiting?
[04:03] <thaytan> no, from our apartment while we slept :-/
[04:04] <steve_b_> nah, due date was yesterday - we could wait for 2 weeks
[04:04] <steve_b_> cheeky buggers
[04:04] <thaytan> *nodnod*
[04:05] <thaytan> enjoy your remaining free time while you've got it :)
[04:05] <thaytan> we're off to Europe on Friday, for 3 weeks
[04:05] <steve_b_> yeah
[04:06] <thaytan> I get to meet the Barcelona guys for the first time to
[04:07] <steve_b_> cool, that will be fun
[04:07] <steve_b_> you should start the australasian branch of fluendo and employ me ;)
[04:08] <thaytan> heh :)
[04:43] <steve_b_> are you going to be there long enough to not have jetlag the whole time?
[04:43] <thaytan> no idea! I've never travelled
[04:43] <thaytan> I keep strange hours anyway ;)
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[06:15] <steve_b_> thaytan, if you didn't keep strange hours you would not have lost your laptop
[06:24] <thaytan> oh sure, rub it in :P
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[06:46] <taaz> mmm dvd
[06:47] <taaz> so how complete is that dvd patch?
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[06:57] <thaytan> taaz: not complete enough, but good enough to commit
[06:57] <thaytan> ps, a52dec is crackful
[07:02] <taaz> ?
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[07:03] <thaytan> ? ?
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[07:03] <taaz> ? ? ?
[07:03] <taaz> a52dec plugin or lib?  and what does "crackful" mean? ;)
[07:03] <thaytan> the plugin
[07:03] <taaz> i know the plugin is in need of love
[07:04] <thaytan> I've been loving it :)
[07:04] <taaz> my efforts to convince someone to look at it have failed ;)
[07:04] <thaytan> I'm going to 'patch it up' 
[07:04] <thaytan> and create a new one that outputs float instead of it converting float to int itself
[07:06] <taaz> i'm fairly sure that seeking with that element was bad in the past
[07:06] <taaz> i think that's why my dvd app always crashed or puked while seeking
[07:06] <thaytan> it was ignoring discont events
[07:06] <taaz> didn't reset state or something
[07:07] <taaz> at some point i think i debugged to a level like that and realized it never even got such events. ;)  probably fixed by now i hope
[07:07] <thaytan> it didn't set the EVENT_AWARE flag on the element
[07:07] <thaytan> it's fixed here, but not yet committed
[07:07] <thaytan> still working out some other syncing problems
[07:07] Action: taaz happy to see people working on dvd issues!
[07:08] <thaytan> we need some discussion on the list on how to do surround sound caps
[07:08] <thaytan> ie, how to identify which channel is for which speaker 
[07:08] <taaz> and someone to wrap the videolan dts lib
[07:09] <thaytan> button overlays work great here
[07:09] <taaz> really?! cool!
[07:09] <thaytan> I pretty much rewrote mpeg2subt
[07:09] <taaz> with scaled output and handling input events too?
[07:10] <thaytan> you mean 'widescreen' etc?
[07:10] <thaytan> that's for the output videosink to do, but the button drawing and blending is done correctly 
[07:11] <taaz> nah, basic stuff like fullscreen scaling
[07:11] <thaytan> oh, then yeah
[07:11] <taaz> i had bugs in my old code for button handling.  didn't work when the output window was scaled ;)
[07:11] <thaytan> the navigation event stuff does the scaling
[07:11] <thaytan> so dvdnav always receives events at the right x,y locations it expects
[07:12] <taaz> ah, excellent
[07:12] <thaytan> and Martin Soto has a dvddemux derived from mpegdemux that handles switching the audio/subtitle streams as the DVD VM commands
[07:13] <thaytan> in short, we're getting there ;)
[07:13] <taaz> ;)
[07:14] <taaz> i'm going to have to get vdv working again
[07:14] <taaz> but i know how that's going to go...
[07:14] <taaz> gst-python won't yet have support for feature X and Y that are needed
[07:15] <thaytan> it should do, I hope
[07:15] <thaytan> jdahlin has been busy
[07:15] <taaz> then i'll have at least half a dozen problems with threading
[07:15] <thaytan> he showed a working 10 line python player the other day that works with 0.8
[07:15] <taaz> 100-150 hours of hacking time later, i'll get frustrated and do something else
[07:16] <taaz> "working" is such a vague term
[07:16] <thaytan> pessimist :)
[07:16] <taaz> realist
[07:17] <taaz> ok, a little pessimist ;)
[07:18] <taaz> but of all the time i've spent on gst-python and vdv i'd guess 50% or more has been spent trying to grok and debug thread issues
[07:18] <thaytan> here's my current DVD player:
[07:18] <thaytan> gst-launch dvdnavsrc ! mpegdemux name=demux .video_00 ! mpeg2dec ! { queue ! mpeg2subt name=sub ! \
[07:18] <thaytan> videoscale method=3 ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=1024,height=576 ! \
[07:18] <thaytan> navseek ! ffcolorspace ! ximagesink demux.subtitle_stream_0 ! queue ! sub.subtitle } \
[07:18] <thaytan> demux.private_stream_1_0 ! { queue ! a52dec ! audioscale ! osssink }
[07:18] <taaz> which is the most boring difficult horror in the programming world
[07:19] <thaytan> back soon. I need some food :)
[07:19] <taaz> how do you test all the interactive dvd things?
[07:19] <thaytan> using that pipeline
[07:19] <taaz> like chapter seeking and all the other special buttons?
[07:20] <thaytan> ahr, martin is working on those
[07:20] <thaytan> but he's doing a dxr3 decoder
[07:20] <thaytan> so I'm working on software versions of ac3 and subtitle decoding
[07:21] <thaytan> bbl
[07:21] <taaz> it would so rock to have a player that let you (at runtime of course) change from software to dxr3 and switch outputs and multicast video to videowalls and all that crazy jazz.  and maybe even have a realtiem gst-editor pipeline thing too
[07:22] <grub_booter> hmm - that sounds similar to what i'm doing...
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[07:28] <grub_booter> heh - obviously isn't *that* interesting then ;-) - but, for the record, myself and one other are working on a tv broadcasting system - can control multiple 'units' and allows seperate playlists to be associated to each (a unit being software preview with sdl, dv hardware, or sdi hardware or software encoder etc)
[07:38] <thaytan> sounds cool
[07:39] <thaytan> taaz: that sounds cool too
[07:41] <thaytan> the guys at our LUG liked my demo last night
[07:41] <thaytan> finding nemo playing simultaneously to ascii art and xv output
[07:42] <taaz> ascii?  why not ansi?  cacasink is pretty cool too!
[07:42] <thaytan> ascii == cacasink in this case
[07:42] <taaz> aalib is more ascii though
[07:42] <taaz> aasink that is
[07:43] <taaz> but i get the idea ;)
[07:45] <taaz> when you commit stuff don't forget to add that example launch line to gst-launch manpage ;)
[07:45] <thaytan> *nodnod*
[07:46] <thaytan> I should file a wishlist bug for someone to implement the bilinear and bicubic interpolations that videoscale claims to have
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[09:11] <Uraeus> good morning
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[09:16] <Uraeus> morning markey
[09:16] <markey> moin chan
[09:16] <Uraeus> markey: does the kioslaves plugin work now?
[09:17] <markey> nah, far from it
[09:17] <markey> it'll take some time
[09:17] <markey> it's pretty complicated, infortunately
[09:17] <markey> adding to that my general problems with the plugin framework
[09:17] <markey> e.g., not even getting the template working ;)
[09:17] <Uraeus> heh :)
[09:19] <markey> the main difficulty is that gst plugins fetch data with the plugin_read() call, while with KIO you have to passively wait for new data to arrive
[09:19] <markey> so you must buffer
[09:20] <Uraeus> have you looked at the gnome-vfs plugin? /me is not sure if gnome-vfs works the same way as kio, but I guess it might considering they are meant to do the same thing
[09:20] <markey> yes
[09:21] <markey> tim jansens (not working) KIO plugin is based on the gnomeVFS plugin skeleton
[09:21] <markey> but it's still difficult to map it
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[09:23] Action: Uraeus wonders if that gnome-vfs/KIO fd.o replacement will ever happen
[09:23] <markey> even if someone whips it up, will ppl actually want to use it?
[09:24] <markey> fd.o is not an official commettee
[09:24] <markey> (sp) commitee
[09:24] <Uraeus> well does it matter if Red Hat, Novell, Sun etc, starts using it what the projects say?
[09:25] <markey> of course
[09:25] <Uraeus> if 90% of our users get it from their distro, then the projects lack of offical endorsement gets a bit academic
[09:26] <markey> we shall wait and see :)
[09:26] Action: markey is a bit sceptical of all things fd.o, like many KDE guys
[09:26] <Uraeus> also since the rumour is that such a thing would be done as a OSDL funded project
[09:27] <Uraeus> which in turn might mean that TrollTech would officially endorse it
[09:28] <Uraeus> of course the rumour is pretty vague so its much speculation at this point
[09:34] <Uraeus> markey: so when do you expect the kioslaves plugin to work?
[09:34] <markey> no clue
[09:35] <markey> I expect it to be difficult, but I'll try hard to get it done
[09:35] <markey> since it's important to me
[09:35] <markey> I also have some other pressing stuff to do
[09:35] <markey> we'll see :)
[09:36] <markey> first of all I need to find out why it crashes gst-register
[09:36] <Uraeus> markey: well if you get it working I buy you a beer if you come to Barcelona on vacation :)
[09:36] <thaytan> markey: put the code up somewhere?
[09:37] <markey> hehe :)
[09:37] <markey> ok willdo
[09:37] <markey> but like I said: I've tried with an almost unmodified template, and it does the same
[09:37] <thaytan> Uraeus: are you going to come to Barcelona to meet me?
[09:37] <thaytan> 21st-23rd April we'll be there
[09:37] <markey> so the reason might be my build system
[09:38] <thaytan> I can try it here and let you know if I see the same at least
[09:45] <Uraeus> thaytan: sorry no, but I hope to meet up with you in Australia
[09:46] <thaytan> that you shall :)
[09:47] <Uraeus> thaytan: I was even hoping you let my crash a few days at your place :)
[09:47] <markey> http://webcvs.kde.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/kdeextragear-1/amarok/amarok/engine/gst/gst-plugins/
[09:47] <markey> ^^ here's the code
[09:47] <markey> I can make a tarball from it later on
[09:48] <thaytan> Uraeus: any time :)
[09:48] <Uraeus> thaytan: great :)
[09:48] <markey> gstkiosrc.cpp is basically the plugin template 
[09:54] <thaytan> why do you need to cast all the string constants?
[09:54] <markey> you'll get lot of warnings otherwise
[09:55] <markey> about casting to gchar* being deprecated
[09:59] <Uraeus> have you guys seen www.yetisports.net ?
[10:01] <thaytan> not version 3, but I saw the first 2
[10:02] <Uraeus> just mailed David asking him to make sure swfdec and gstreamer supports everything on that site :)
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[10:11] <Uraeus> morning apoc_
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[10:23] <Uraeus> darn, I lost all my bills
[10:24] Action: Uraeus wonders if they went our with the trash
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[10:34] <bilboed> Hi all
[10:35] <bilboed> Does anybody know if there are specific emacs indentation settings lying around ? I saw some for indent, but I was wondering if there were some settings for emacs...
[10:37] <bilboed> indentation settings à-la gstreamer of course :)
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[10:45] <LeRoutier> hell o
[10:46] <Uraeus> bilboed: not sure if any of the devs use emacs, but thomasvs might know about a emacs file since he changed the ident recently
[10:46] <Uraeus> hi LeRoutier
[10:46] <LeRoutier> !seen BBB
[10:47] <LeRoutier> hum, well, no bot here, i'm not awake it seems
[10:47] <LeRoutier> anyone saw ronald in the last hours ?
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[10:48] <Uraeus> no
[10:48] <bilboed> [22:08] <-- BBB has quit ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/")
[10:48] <bilboed> 22:08 GMT+1 (Paris)
[10:50] <LeRoutier> ok, i was there at this time, thx
[10:51] <LeRoutier> as he asked ppl to find videos that won't play with current gstreamer using basicgthread, i sorted my videos in 2 categories (works, doesn't work) and then subdivided each of them by FOURCC code of video codec
[10:52] <LeRoutier> (only for avi, did not do that for my wmv/mov/mpg)
[10:56] <Uraeus> ah good :)
[10:58] <LeRoutier> cinepack was slow as hell but my by normal as it was only added recently to ffmpeg
[10:58] <LeRoutier> my => may
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[10:59] <Company> good morning angels
[11:00] <Uraeus> morning Company
[11:01] Action: markey smiles angelically
[11:18] <Company> markey: what kde packages do i need for kio?
[11:18] <markey> kdelibs
[11:19] <markey> ..& qt, of course
[11:19] <Company> "Need to get 26.1MB of archives."
[11:22] <LeRoutier> kio ? isn't that the gnome-vfs equivalent of kde world ?
[11:23] <Uraeus> it is
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[11:32] <thaytan> markey: do I need to install to run and test?
[11:33] <thaytan> building atm
[11:33] <markey> thaytan: yes you'll need to install, or copy the library manually
[11:41] <thaytan> drat :)
[11:44] Nick change: markey -> markey|afk
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[11:56] <thaytan> markey|afk: I can't get it to compile. It's dying building in the gst-plugins/kio dir, complaining in depcomp
[11:56] <thaytan> and I've never built KDE stuff before, so I don't know
[11:57] <markey|afk> you'll need the KDE admin dir
[11:57] <Company> markey|afk: can you give me the output of ldd libgstkio.so?
[11:57] <thaytan> I've got it, it's inside depcomp that it dies
[11:57] Action: Company builds the plugin manually ;)
[11:57] <markey|afk> cvs co kdeextragear-1; cd kdeextragear-1; cvs up admin; cvs up amarok; make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure --enable-debug
[11:58] <markey|afk> of cvs co -l
[11:59] <thaytan> I fetched kde-common and ln -s ../kde-common/admin 
[12:01] <thaytan> ../../../../../../admin/depcomp: line 60: -MT: command not found is what I'm getting
[12:02] <markey|afk> bbl
[12:02] <thaytan> cool
[12:04] <LeRoutier> that's wonderfull, gcc devs say that ffmpeg code is crap
[12:05] <LeRoutier> there : http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=13850
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[12:07] <Company> ffmpeg code is crap
[12:07] <Uraeus> morning iain
[12:12] <Company> PPC doesn't load mpeg2dec here
[12:13] <Company> relocation for symbol 'memalign' out of range
[12:14] <iain> morning
[12:17] <Company> hm, the plugin registers fine here
[12:21] <thaytan> Company: it built for you?
[12:21] <Company> thaytan: i got the code and built it seperately
[12:21] <thaytan> aha
[12:22] <Company> someone get me a tutorial for kio
[12:23] <thaytan> you forgot 'stat!'
[12:25] <iain> man 2 stat
[12:26] <Company> hm
[12:26] <Company> kio is callback based
[12:36] <LeRoutier> time to drink, apero time. ++
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[13:23] <Company> wheeeeels!!!
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[13:39] <Uraeus> hi foser
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[14:00] <foser> morning
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[14:04] <LeRoutier> re
[14:07] <LeRoutier> anyone touched totem code someday ?
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[14:08] <thaytan> in a tiny way
[14:08] <LeRoutier> got a NULL pointer deref in vanity (totem CVS HEAD against gstreamer CVS HEAD), interested ?
[14:09] <thaytan> no, not right now
[14:09] <thaytan> best to just file it
[14:10] <Company> markey: kio requires the main loop, right?
[14:11] <markey> hmm no
[14:11] <LeRoutier> thaytan, ok, seems there is a similar crash in bugzilla actually, appending my info there
[14:11] <markey> you don't need to run a qt event loop to use kdelibs stuff
[14:12] <Company> hm
[14:12] <Company> but kio is completely callback based
[14:12] <markey> no
[14:12] <markey> uses SIGNALs/SLOTs
[14:12] <markey> the qt way
[14:13] <Company> those aren't callbacks?
[14:13] <markey> yes and no
[14:13] <markey> moc handles it, the preprocessor
[14:13] <markey> they aren't really callbacks
[14:13] <markey> moc transforms that stuff
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[14:18] <Company> c++ and kde are weird
[14:18] <markey|lunch> no
[14:25] <Company> markey|lunch: 
[14:25] <Company> int main (int argc, char **argv)
[14:25] <Company> {
[14:25] <Company>   char got;
[14:25] <Company>   int fd = open (argv[1], 0);
[14:25] <Company>   while (read (fd, &got, 1))
[14:25] <Company>     printf ("%2X ", (int) got);
[14:25] <Company>   close (fd);
[14:25] <Company>   return 0;
[14:25] <Company> }
[14:25] <Company> i want that with KIO
[14:25] <markey|lunch> brb, lunch
[14:25] <Company> kk
[14:37] Nick change: markey|lunch -> markey
[14:37] <markey> first you request a TransferJob with KIO::get()
[14:37] <markey> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.2-api/kio/html/namespaceKIO.html#a214
[14:38] <markey> then you need to connect to the TransferJob's signals
[14:38] <markey> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.2-api/kio/html/classKIO_1_1TransferJob.html
[14:38] <markey> (basically it's similar to a callback being called)
[14:38] <markey> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.2-api/kio/html/classKIO_1_1TransferJob.html#l0
[14:38] <markey> ^^ this is where you get the actual data
[14:40] <Company> and then i do a while (!finished) sleep (10); in the main loop?
[14:40] <Company> s/main loop/main function/
[14:41] <markey> no you'll get the data in chunks
[14:41] <markey> you can connect to a signal which signals the finish ;)
[14:42] <Company> yeah, but what do i do after i connected to all those signals?
[14:43] <markey> right you need to return control to the event loop
[14:43] <markey> I was incorrect about that
[14:43] <Company> k
[14:43] <Company> so that means i need an event loop
[14:43] <markey> yep
[14:43] <Company> which is kinda bad because i already have one (the gstreamer/glib event loop)
[14:44] <Company> is it possible to run the event loop in a different thread?
[14:47] <markey> I think it leads to complications
[14:48] <Company> that explains why noone has written a kio gstreamer element then ;)
[14:48] <markey> it is possible, tho
[14:48] <markey> like I said, I'm using the skeleton of tim jansen's code
[14:49] <markey> he tried before
[14:49] <markey> dunno what the problem was
[14:49] <Company> the problem is that it should be possible to run gst-launch kiosrc ! ...
[14:49] <markey> gotta ask him
[14:50] <markey> his code already contains special care for threading
[14:50] <markey> kioreceiver.cpp
[14:51] <markey> pretty complex already
[14:51] <Company> yeah
[14:51] <markey> I hope there's a simpler way
[14:52] <Company> i don't think there is
[14:52] <markey> not easy to debug such tangled threaded stuff
[14:52] <markey> other ppl's code..
[14:52] <Company> it's kinda bad libc doesn't contain an event loop
[14:53] <Company> that way we could all use the same loops...
[14:53] <markey> maybe, yes
[14:54] <Company> but you definitely need a seperate thread for the kio stuff
[14:54] <markey> KIO doesn't really fit well into the concept
[14:54] <Company> gnome-vfs does that itself btw
[14:55] <Company> that's why it's such a mess in places ;)
[14:55] <markey> heh
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[14:56] <markey> running a complete KApplication inside a gst element..
[14:56] <markey> that's a bit OMG
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[14:56] <markey> completely event loop and all
[14:56] <markey> -ly
[14:56] <Company> yup, but what to do?
[14:56] <markey> dunno
[14:56] <markey> first of all I need to solve that gst-register prob
[14:56] <markey> it's really frustrating
[14:57] <markey> maybe gst-register misses some sanity checks?
[15:02] <Company> markey: the test runs for me (i hacked it into gst-plugins)
[15:03] <markey> then the problem must be my built environment
[15:03] <markey> what could influence it, I wonder
[15:03] <Company> i've wondered myself
[15:04] <Company> i i've linked it with -lkio -lkdecore -lqt-mt
[15:05] <Company> you shouldn't link plugins against gstreamer btw
[15:05] <LeRoutier> bbl
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[15:05] <markey> I'll try the same
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[15:17] <markey> Company: w/o linking gst in and -no-undefined I'm getting lots of linker errors
[15:17] <markey> that ok?
[15:17] <jdahlin> morning
[15:17] <jdahlin> ehum, afternoon :)
[15:18] Action: markey removing -no-undefined for kicks
[15:19] <Company> yeah, that's ok
[15:19] <Company> you should get rid of -no-undefined anyway
[15:20] <markey> why?
[15:20] <jdahlin> sounds like a good plan
[15:23] <Company> because you don't link to libgstreamer
[15:24] <jdahlin> it has created a liitle bit of problem for the python bindings for instance
[15:24] <jdahlin> we have to dlopen() the plugins with RTLD_GLOBAL, which is sort of a hack
[15:25] <jdahlin> I'm not sure why the all the plugins aren't linked against libgstreamer from the start
[15:25] <Company> because that causes problems if you use a different gstreamer version to open them
[15:26] <Company> i don't like it either
[15:26] <Company> you gotta convince ds though
[15:27] <jdahlin> We're not providing binary compatilibty between releases anyway
[15:27] <Company> yes, but it should fail ok
[15:27] <Company> if you pull symbols from two different gstreamer versions because of a bad plugin you get into trouble
[15:28] <jdahlin> right, but that should never happe
[15:28] <Company> right
[15:28] <jdahlin> n
[15:28] <Company> but it is that way and ds wants it that way
[15:28] <jdahlin> ok, have to take that discussion with him then
[15:29] <Company> i don't like it because gstreamer is the only system i know where plugins aren't linked to the main app/lib
[15:29] <Company> and i hate being special for no very good reason
[15:30] <Uraeus> ok, 3 more people added to appartment potential buyers list
[15:31] <jdahlin> Uraeus: I can buy it too, if it's not too expensive
[15:32] <jdahlin> You can get 10 swedish kronor for it
[15:32] <Uraeus> jdahlin: you might be allowed to sleep in the closet for 1 night for that price :)
[15:34] <jdahlin> Uraeus: very cheap for oslo if so
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[15:44] <thaytan> jdahlin: the 'closet' is a small bin in the garage
[15:57] <Company> yay
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[15:57] <Company> my scheduler did one iteration
[16:02] <thaytan> ooh :)
[16:03] <Company> and it was a complex iteration: fakesrc ! fakesink
[16:04] <thaytan> heh
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[16:06] <Company> weee
[16:06] <Company> now it already runs fakesrc ! fakesink without crashing
[16:07] <Company> do i put an identity in between?
[16:07] <jdahlin> what runs fakesrc ! fakesink without crashing?
[16:07] <thaytan> Company: wait for the drumroll first....
[16:07] <thaytan> badabadabadabadabadaba... boom!
[16:07] <Company> yeah, exactly
[16:07] <Company> boom
[16:08] <Company> i'll keep running fakesrc ! fakesink
[16:08] <Company> jdahlin: my scheduler
[16:08] <Company> (4 schedulers now, yay)
[16:08] <jdahlin> 4?
[16:08] <jdahlin> aren't there 5 included now and two others on the way to be written?
[16:09] <Company> we have 2 schedulers and 3 cothread implementations
[16:09] <Company> every scheduler can use every cothread implementation
[16:10] <Company> s/2/3/
[16:10] <Company> + one scheduler that can live without cothreads
[16:10] <Company> so we'll end up with 9 schedulers in the end (yay!)
[16:11] <dolphy> lol
[16:14] Nick change: markey -> markey|dishes
[16:14] <Company> w00t
[16:14] <Company> fakesrc ! identity ! fakesink runs, too
[16:16] <Company> filesrc ! mad ! osssink, too
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[16:19] <thaytan> well, that one's impressive 
[16:20] <Company> it doesn't catch eos yet (oops)
[16:20] <thaytan> I'm 2/3rds of the way through Back to the future with subtitles, here 
[16:20] <Company> cool
[16:20] <thaytan> converted mpeg2subt to loop-basd
[16:20] <Company> what scheduler?
[16:20] <thaytan> opt
[16:20] <Company> A/V is still in sync?
[16:21] <thaytan> maybe about 1/4 sec out
[16:21] <thaytan> has been the whole movie though
[16:21] <thaytan> so it's not drifting at all
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[16:26] <Company> /usr/src/cvs/gstreamer/gst/schedulers# for file in *.c; do echo "`sloccount $file | grep top_dir | grep ansic | sed "s/\(....\).*/\1/"`  $file"; done
[16:26] <Company> 624   entryscheduler.c
[16:26] <Company> 1105  gstbasicscheduler.c
[16:26] <Company> 854   gstfairscheduler.c
[16:26] <Company> 1703  gstoptimalscheduler.c
[16:27] <Uraeus> Company: what do those numbers imply?
[16:27] <Company> lines of code per scheduler
[16:28] <Uraeus> what is entryscheduler, don't think I heard of that one before
[16:28] <Company> the one i just wrote ;)
[16:28] <Uraeus> ah :)
[16:28] <thaytan> Can I add GST_EVENT_ANY in 0.8 ok?
[16:28] <thaytan> it's ok to add API, right?
[16:29] <Uraeus> yes, adding is ok
[16:29] <Company> yeah
[16:30] <Company> it's a bad omen though
[16:30] <Company> everyone that's ever written a scheduler has stopped hacking gstreamer ;)
[16:31] <Uraeus> heh :)
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[16:31] <Uraeus> well not wingo actually
[16:31] <Company> wingo never wrote a scheduler
[16:31] <Uraeus> and Wim's back next month :)
[16:31] <Uraeus> didn't we have something called basicwingo for a while?
[16:31] <Company> though he's starting atm
[16:31] <Company> yeah, but that was a cothreads implementation
[16:32] <Company> i've written a cothreads implementation already (gthread)
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[16:47] <Uraeus> argh, I installed two devel packages after having run autogen.sh, which means the spec file missed them which in turn made my package building fail :)
[16:50] <thaytan> g'night, guys
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[17:27] <LeRoutier> re
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[17:31] <Uraeus> hi LeRoutier
[17:31] <Uraeus> LeRoutier: sorry I missed you earlier
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[17:31] <Uraeus> walters: did I mention my little suggestion regarding the seekbar/volumecontrol?
[17:32] Nick change: arana -> spyder482
[17:33] <LeRoutier> Uraeus, no problem, was about a totem bug you filled
[17:34] <Uraeus> LeRoutier: yeah, I noticed you got it too, I think it is simply because Dolphy hasn't gotten around to looking at supporting vanity yet
[17:38] Nick change: markey|dishes -> markey|run
[17:43] <walters> Uraeus: what's that?
[17:44] <LeRoutier> well, that's not a big deal for me, i never used it. i just tried every link i had under gnome 2.6 to see if something broke
[17:44] <LeRoutier> (no webcam here)
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[17:56] <mathrick> yo
[18:00] <Company> i rule
[18:00] <Company> now i've written the slowest scheduler...
[18:01] <Uraeus> hi mathrick
[18:01] <Uraeus> Company: not sure being the slowest is a goal in itself :)
[18:02] <Uraeus> walters: I think the seekbar should be further apart from the volume button. It is very easy to mistake the seeker for a volume control as it looks now (I make that mistake from time to time, especially when a bit tired)
[18:05] <mathrick> Uraeus: maybe he plans to use it as an aid in step debugging or something ;)
[18:05] <Company> otoh i've written the most flexible scheduler
[18:06] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|afk
[18:06] <Company> hm no, i haven't
[18:07] Action: Uraeus tries pushing a ogg muxer onto Company's todo list so that we can finally activate RB's tag editing ;)
[18:12] <Company> Uraeus: if it were only an ogg muxer...
[18:13] <Uraeus> Company: its the one major missing component right? the other stuff are more figuring out some autoplugging issues afaik?
[18:15] <Company> yes, it's just "figuring out some autoplugging issues"
[18:16] <Company> i expect those autoplugging issues to take 20x as much time as writing an ogg muxer
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[18:17] <Uraeus> Company: but to some degree they can be hacked around as a stopgap right? walters could maybe utilize a static pipeline when people edit tags to begin with?
[18:17] <Company> no
[18:17] <Company> not in the ogg case
[18:18] <Company> he could maybe do it right now with mp3s but i'm not sure
[18:18] <Uraeus> why not with oggs? RB doesn't need to take Ogg Theora etc. into consideration as RB just plays music?
[18:19] <Company> theora is music?
[18:20] <Uraeus> no, thats my point, RB can assume the ogg file in a Vorbis since it is a pure music app, which should work around some of the issues where an autoplugger is needed right?
[18:20] <Company> no, rb is supposed to play every file with audio
[18:23] <Uraeus> still for the forseeable future an assumption of all being Vorbis will work in 99.9% of use cases
[18:24] <Company> and in the other 1% it will corrupt your file
[18:24] <Uraeus> hmm
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[18:35] <Uraeus> hej på dej jdahlin
[18:35] <jdahlin> Uraeus: hejsan
[18:36] <Uraeus> jdahlin: been out enjoying some sangria?
[18:36] <jdahlin> Uraeus: sangria?
[18:37] <Uraeus> that special spanish drink
[18:37] Nick change: markey|run -> markey
[18:40] <Uraeus> markey: the bullies have stopped chasing you now? so you can stop running?
[18:40] <jdahlin> nope
[18:40] <jdahlin> haven't even heard of it so :-)
[18:40] <markey> Uraeus: heh
[18:40] <markey> I was jogging
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[19:36] <Company> opt is soo cool
[19:37] <Company> basic is the only scheduler atm that plays /path/to/file.avi ! spider ! alsasink
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[19:44] <BBB> hm...
[19:44] Action: BBB mumbles something unhearable
[19:49] <Uraeus> hi BBB
[19:56] <BBB> ola
[19:56] <BBB> I noticed the mp3 bugs
[19:56] <BBB> I'll look at them
[19:57] <BBB> thanks for reporting :)
[19:57] <BBB> we need all of those
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[19:59] <Company> YES
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[20:00] <Company> entry plays it, too
[20:01] <mathrick> Company: entry is your evilish scheduler you plan to enslave mankind with?
[20:01] <Company> yep
[20:01] <BBB> sweet
[20:02] <BBB> how does it work?
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[20:03] <Company> similar to basic
[20:04] <BBB> does it forward get(->loop)->chain?
[20:04] <BBB> that's (imo) the most simple enhancement from basic to opt
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[20:05] <Company> it's not supposed to do that
[20:06] <Company> grouping elements into the same cothread is a very difficult thing if you want to unlink while playing
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[20:08] <BBB> I know, you have to recreate the group... but it should be possible somewhere in the further future
[20:08] <Company> i'd like to get a simple scheduler right first
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[20:11] <BBB> Company: that's why I said "further future" :)
[20:11] <BBB> I understand that this is not something short-term ;)
[20:14] <Company> it requires to figure out how easily possible unlinking should be
[20:15] <BBB> well, you have time... it doesn't need to be finished tonight
[20:15] <BBB> tomorrow is fine too
[20:15] <Company> entry plays the gst-player pipeline
[20:15] <BBB> wow
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[20:18] <Company> it's still smaller than fair
[20:19] <Company> and fair doesn't play the gst-player pipeline ;)
[20:20] <BBB> fair was a good introduction, really
[20:20] <BBB> I want to read through it
[20:20] <BBB> it looks well-documented at first sight
[20:20] <BBB> might gve me some insights in this magical blackbox that you guys call scheduler
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[20:44] <LeRoutier> ready to upload test cases for BBB (sample avi for load of != 4CC video codecs)
[20:47] Action: Company pokes ds and ds-work
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[20:51] <LeRoutier> is BBB on west or east US coast ?
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[20:52] <Company> NYC
[20:52] <Company> that's east coast
[20:52] <LeRoutier> ok, because he told me : "I'll be online tonight (US time) and tomorrow to fix a few things" but as i didn't know where exactly he was ...
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[20:58] <Company> he might even mean european time
[20:59] <LeRoutier> well, nevermind, i mailed him the FTP account credentials to access my videos
[21:01] <LeRoutier> well, uploading 1GB at 12KB/s won't be too quick
[21:01] <LeRoutier> i really don't like that A in ADSL
[21:06] <Company> you'd prefer to have 40k/40k?
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[21:06] <LeRoutier> well no, i'd prefer 1024/1024
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[21:07] <LeRoutier> well, depends of what your k unit means
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[21:08] <LeRoutier> going away while it uploads all those porn^W^W^W^Wtestcases for ronald
[21:08] <LeRoutier> ++
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[22:19] <NFusi0n> Hey, has anybody gotten gst-plugins 0.8.0 to install correctly on Gentoo?
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[23:36] <mathrick> nite
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[01:42] <LeRoutier> re
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[01:57] <LeRoutier> hum, soto commit did break gst-plugins compilation
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[01:58] <LeRoutier> who's soto ? i never saw him here (well, not under that nick)
[01:58] <Company> martin soto
[01:58] <Company> never was here
[01:59] <Company> but you can see him on the list
[01:59] <LeRoutier> ok
[01:59] <LeRoutier> seems his mpegdemux code split broke mpegdemux compilation


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