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[03:02] <Company> gstreamer is 50000 lines of C
[03:02] <Company> gst-plugins is 145000 lines of C and 20000 lines of C++
[03:03] <LeRoutier> not a small piece of cake
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[03:10] <Misirlou> Ew, C++!
[03:10] Action: Misirlou ducks
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[03:19] <Company> Misirlou: it's probably modplug ;)
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[04:14] <Company> man, the scheduler interface sucks
[04:24] <LeRoutier> i saw ronald speaking of a quicktime plugin for gstreamer, in which cvs module is that ? sandbox ?
[04:24] <Company> gst/qtdemux
[04:24] <Company> or gst/qt
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[04:30] <LeRoutier> hum, strange, i see the directory in gst-plugins repository but i see no trace of it in the list of plugins that would or wouldn't be compiled
[04:30] <LeRoutier> (at the end of configure)
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[04:31] <LeRoutier> well, i was blind
[04:32] <LeRoutier> gst-register | grep qt
[04:32] <LeRoutier> added plugin qtdemux with 1 feature(s)
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[04:36] <jdahlin> Company: I'm afraid of your changes to gstbin
[04:36] <jdahlin> Company: and you broke the build
[04:36] <Company> jdahlin: i did?
[04:36] <jdahlin> entryscheduler.c:965: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
[04:36] <jdahlin> gcc 3.2
[04:37] <Company> you're correct, i did
[04:38] <Company> you can solve the bin issue differently if you find a way
[04:39] <Company> without it the scheduler unlink function is run twice for some links
[04:40] <jdahlin> the thing is, it changes the semantics
[04:40] <jdahlin> and it's impossible to test all different kind of pipelines
[04:40] <Company> yes
[04:40] <jdahlin> some schedulers might depend on this "feature"
[04:40] <Company> then they're broken and need to be fixed
[04:40] <jdahlin> in an unstable development tree for sure
[04:40] <Company> in a stable one, too
[04:41] <jdahlin> I'm not so sure about that
[04:41] <Company> you can revert that change if you make sure the unlink function is only run once :)
[04:41] <jdahlin> it need lots of testing
[04:41] <jdahlin> that's not the point
[04:41] <Company> yeah, that's why i committed it - you will now all test it
[04:41] <Company> and if it breaks, we revert it
[04:41] <jdahlin> well, well
[04:42] <jdahlin> too bad the core build on FC1 is broken, otherwise I could have run the testsuite
[04:44] <jdahlin> so it compiled on RH9 now
[04:44] <Company> yeah, i fixed that
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[05:09] <LeRoutier> good night ppl
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[05:42] <NFusi0n> Any Gentoo users around?
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[05:46] <markey> re
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[07:37] <NFusi0n> Hey, I'm having trouble compiling gst-plugins. I don't know which ones I need, and there are quite a few to choose from =O
[07:37] <NFusi0n> Are there any docs around on gst-plugins?
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[08:03] <soros> i heard the gstreamer developers were quitting the project, is there any hope now that they've gone ? :(
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[08:43] <NFusi0n> soros: Where did you hear that?
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[09:06] <soros> NFusi0n: a friend on efnet told me that
[09:10] <NFusi0n> "$ gst-launch sinesrc ! alsasink" works fine for me, but "gst-launch filesrc location=butter.mp3 ! mad ! alsasink" gets me "gst-launch-0.8: pcm_plug.c:882: snd_pcm_plug_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed." When I try it in gst-player, i segfault. Any ideas?
[09:10] <NFusi0n> soros: I've heard no such news
[09:10] <NFusi0n> Got a link or something?
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[09:20] <NFusi0n> nevermind on my question, i googled it
[09:21] <NFusi0n> Wait, this error isn't supposed to occur with 0.8.0
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[09:33] <mathrick> morning
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[10:39] <NFusi0n> g'morning mathrick 
[10:39] <NFusi0n> it's 1 am here, but good morning.
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[11:28] <Uraeus> g'morning
[11:29] <mathrick> yo Uraeus
[11:30] <Uraeus> hi mathrick
[11:30] <Uraeus> mathrick: do .mkv playback work for you? I seem to get some caps errors on the audio part
[11:31] <mathrick> Uraeus: hmm, haven't built in way too long. Will give it a try shortly
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[11:46] <Uraeus> hi thaytan
[11:48] <thaytan> yo :)
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[12:02] Action: Uraeus tests files and makes em bug reports :)
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[12:23] <wingo> hey, it's a wtay
[12:23] <wingo> wtay_: what's up, bro?
[12:23] <thaytan> wingo off the port bow!
[12:23] <thaytan> ahoy :)
[12:24] <wingo> howdy, thaytan :)
[12:25] <Uraeus> hi wingo
[12:25] <wingo> hey Uraeus
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[12:33] <Uraeus> wingo: I still haven't gotten a reply to my mail to you :)
[12:35] <mathrick> yo wingo
[12:35] <mathrick> wingo: I don't like to rain on your parade, but [wtay_] idle 73:49:19, signon: Thu Mar 25 09:45:25 ;)
[12:38] <wingo> Uraeus: my mail server is down :-/
[12:38] <wingo> mathrick: rain is nice, too :)
[12:39] <wingo> Uraeus: any time during that window is dandy for me -- I'm on holiday then, so there are no obligations
[12:42] <Uraeus> wingo: great! 
[12:49] <Uraeus> wingo: are you writing a scheduler?
[12:53] <wingo> no, i'm just fixing opt as I need to
[12:54] <wingo> i don't understand what all the concern is over opt being a bad scheduler
[13:01] <Uraeus> well I don't care which scheduler we use as long as the one choosen works for 'everyone' in regards to basic playback
[13:03] <Uraeus> for me opt is the most working one atm, but I have cases where gthread work and opt does not (and the other way around)
[13:08] <wingo> i know one bug in opt in tree-structured pipelines that i need to fix soon
[13:11] <Uraeus> well I think the plan is to have Wim also work on solving some of the remaining issues in opt 
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[13:12] <LeRoutier> hello
[13:19] <LeRoutier> is that normal that, when playing most of my quicktime videos, gst-player does an hexa+ascii dump on the console ?
[13:20] <Uraeus> LeRoutier: probably not :) I just filed a bug report on a quicktime I had myself which had troubles :)
[13:22] <LeRoutier> i have only 1 qt that works perfectly. some dumps hexa on the console, some are damn slow, one that doesn't work at all
[13:23] <Uraeus> well it is still a big step forward, wasn't long ago our quicktime support where just theoretical :)
[13:25] <LeRoutier> file type i have the most problem with are  riff that aren't avi (std wav + other audio only riff files)
[13:25] <Uraeus> I have some issues with sound in my vob files
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[14:07] <bilboed_> good sunday to all of you :)
[14:07] <Uraeus> hi bilboed_
[14:08] <bilboed_> Uraeus: things are finally coming on on gnonlin :) spent all of friday and saturday working on it
[14:09] <Uraeus> bilboed_: good to hear :) I am really looking forward to when we start to get to a point where your efforts are screenshootable :)
[14:11] <bilboed_> it took me a while (never having really worked on gobject & gstreamer) to find out exactly where wtay had stopped in all the code, and what he tried to do (apart from the 30lines of documentation)
[14:11] <Uraeus> hehe :)
[14:12] <Uraeus> bilboed_: now that you have figured out what he was trying to do, you agree with his designs?
[14:12] <bilboed_> yep, but we might have to extend it a little bit
[14:12] <bilboed_> but I'm cooking a documentation to validate the design
[14:12] <Uraeus> ah ok
[14:13] <bilboed_> like allow live sources :)
[14:13] <bilboed_> i.e. non-seekable sources
[14:15] <bilboed_> allowing devs to use gnonlin to do video-jockeys for televisions (for example)
[14:16] <bilboed_> the timeline would always be in the PLAYING state
[14:16] <bilboed_> but that'll be for later...
[14:17] <bilboed_> Is there some documentation on schedulers somewhere ?
[14:18] <bilboed_> it would help me debug/code gnonlin even faster
[14:19] <mathrick> bilboed_: schedulers are hot topic as of recent ;)
[14:20] <mathrick> bilboed_: Company has just written one, and Martin Soto did so too
[14:21] <LeRoutier> how much schedulers are there in gstreamer ? i know basicgthread, opt, cothread, Company's one. what else ?
[14:21] <mathrick> Martin Soto's fair is there too
[14:22] <LeRoutier> Company's one is 'entry' no ?
[14:24] <bilboed_> are company and martin's schedulers available somewhere ?
[14:24] <LeRoutier> in gst-sandbox i suppose
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[14:35] <bilboed_> can't see any scheduler in the sandbox
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[14:41] <Uraeus> bilboed_: martin's is available as patch sent to the mailing list. Don't think benjamins is available outside his did yet
[14:42] <Uraeus> s/did/disk/
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[14:42] <bilboed_> ok
[14:45] <bilboed_> well I guess than once again, code is going to be the best documentation available :|
[14:48] <LeRoutier> are there media playlist formats supported by either gnome directly or a gstreamer based player ?
[14:49] <LeRoutier> (m3u, asx, pls, ...)
[14:51] <LeRoutier> and what about subtitles (but dvd ones)
[14:53] <mathrick> rb supports pls and m3u
[14:53] <mathrick> at least these I know of
[14:56] <LeRoutier> asx is more a redirector than a playlist format. it's XML like to redirect to a wmv/asf stream at another address
[14:57] <mathrick> in it's simplest form, yes. But it also contains playlist capabilities
[14:59] <LeRoutier> yes, with several <entry>...</entry> tags in it
[15:02] <Uraeus> bilboed_: well I think our docs are probably better than most free software projects :)
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[15:02] <Uraeus> yo thomasvs
[15:03] <thomasvs> afternoon people
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[15:03] <LeRoutier> hello thomasvs
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[15:05] <mathrick> hi thomasvs, teuf, coqRe
[15:06] <teuf> hi
[15:07] <coqRe> hi
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[15:12] <Uraeus> I had a friend ask me about a windows application called 'Fruity Loops' anyone here know it, and is it comparable to Beast?
[15:14] <wheels> Does Beast make the milk turn pink too?
[15:15] <Uraeus> heh, no not the breakfast cereal, I actually thought of that at first too :)
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[15:23] <dolphy> thomasvs: heya
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[16:18] Action: andyp is confused by sound-juicer, gstreamer and gnome-cd...
[16:19] <andyp> when i insert a CD the GNOME CD app starts and gets the info from CDDB configured in the desktop settings
[16:19] <andyp> how come sound-juicer fails to find the same info?
[16:20] <LeRaway> because sound-juicer uses another system ? (musicbrainz) and their server are often overloaded ?
[16:21] <andyp> ahh
[16:21] <andyp> now that *would* explain it
[16:21] <LeRaway> i suppose it's that, not sure at all, i don't know sound-juicer internals
[16:21] <alley_cat> the musicbrainz db is also missing a lot of cds cddb has
[16:21] <andyp> sounds likely though
[16:22] <andyp> don't suppose there's any way to switch the backend?
[16:22] <alley_cat> but the ones it has are usually more accurate than the ones in freedb
[16:22] <andyp> does it do submission to musicbrainz? if i enter the details myself?
[16:25] <andyp> looking at the docs, there's no evidence
[16:25] <andyp> ah well
[16:28] <andyp> aha all is revealed in TODO from gnome CVS
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[16:39] <thomasvs> dolphy: hi
[16:42] <apoc> hi thomasvs
[16:42] <apoc> thomasvs: got my mail with monkeysaudio test file ?
[16:43] <thomasvs> apoc: just got back, will take time to sift through mails :)
[16:46] <apoc> thomasvs: eheh :) I'm going to commit some fixes to gst-monkeysaudio. I think It'll be ready for a release
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[17:35] <bilboed_> something weird I've been noticing in gstreamer's code : some of the GST_IS_*_CLASS macros take "obj" as a parameter, but actually modify "klass" ... (ex : gstreamer/gst/schedulers/gstbasicscheduler.c)
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[18:20] <Company> bilboed_: my scheduler is committed to gstreamer core CVS
[18:21] <Company> wheels: ping
[18:21] <wheels> Company: splat
[18:22] <Company> wheels: i talked about writing kiosrc with markey yesterday
[18:22] <Company> wheels: kio needs a main loop
[18:22] <Company> wheels: how would you solve that?
[18:23] <wheels> Company: you mean other than the "kdemain" thingie?
[18:24] <jdahlin> I think it has been done before
[18:24] <jdahlin> eg, using qt/kde stuff in glibs mainloop
[18:24] <jdahlin> maybe check out latest version of dia, I'm quite sure they're using kde file opening dialogs
[18:24] <Company> wheels: well, a GstElement hjas no access to any event loop
[18:24] <jdahlin> (crack crack crack)
[18:25] <wheels> Company: For clarity -- you're saying that you want a main or aren't sure what to do with one?
[18:25] <Company> wheels: i want a kiosrc that works
[18:25] <wheels> Company: Oh, well, in that case...  ;-)
[18:25] <Company> and it should work outside of a kde app
[18:25] Action: wheels still isn't quite sure what the question is...
[18:26] <Company> wheels: gst-launch kiosrc ! filesink
[18:26] <Company> how do I write that kiosrc?
[18:27] <wheels> Ah, ok -- I misunderstood -- I thought you wanted to write a KIO Slave.
[18:28] <wheels> So -- ok, let's list requirements of the source -- you need a bitstream, an event loop, and...?
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[18:30] <Company> the easiest way to say it: I need an equivalent to the libc open/read/close calls
[18:31] Action: wheels looks around at some API docs.
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[18:33] <wheels> Off the top of my head I can't think of why using KIO would require a KApplication instance...
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[18:43] <Company> because it's callback based and needs to trigger the callbacks from somewhere
[18:48] <wheels> Company: I'm currently reading the code for KIOInputStream which is used currently by libartskde.
[18:51] <wheels> Company: Ok, now I think I understand the problem.  :-)
[18:51] <wheels> Company: What would your ideal solution be?  Something syncronous?
[18:51] <wheels> Hmm...no...
[18:52] Action: wheels notes that his brain is still a little fried.  Was awake for 30 hours and then only slept for 4...
[19:01] <Company> wheels: my ideal solution would be something that requires as little code/overhead as possible while maintaining full flexibility ;)
[19:01] <wheels> Company: Are you considering going into politics?  ;-)
[19:01] <Company> wheels: i'm just interested in how you would do it conceptually
[19:06] <wheels> Company: Well, that's why I'm asking for the requirements.  :-)  I mean, it's really a pretty simple problem, but "the devil is in the details".  At some point you're going to need something that's working with a KIO::TransferJob.  But KIO does all of the dirty work out of process anyway -- it's likely possible to come up with something to do syncronous IO if it's running in another thread already or something.  Alternatively -- if you wa
[19:06] <wheels> use a signal / slot based approach you need a Qt event loop (or simulation thereof) to handle such...
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[19:09] Action: dolphy tries building gnome2.6 once more
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[19:39] <jdahlin> dolphy: still no luck?
[19:42] <dolphy> jdahlin: yeah i m trying on my x86 now
[19:42] <dolphy> jdahlin: the ppc one refuses to work
[19:42] <dolphy> jdahlin: that's so boring
[19:43] <dolphy> jdahlin: hopefully it will work on the x86
[19:43] <dolphy> jdahlin: and i will be able to run totem :)
[19:43] <jdahlin> dolphy: What fails when you're trying to build it on ppc?
[19:45] <dolphy> jdahlin: it mostly builds
[19:45] <dolphy> jdahlin: but refuses to start
[19:45] <dolphy> jdahlin: can't find fonts
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[19:47] <jdahlin> dolphy: maybe you need to do some manual configuration in font-config or xft
[19:48] <dolphy> jdahlin: maybe
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[20:35] <LeRaway> dolphy, matte le résultat des élections pendant que ça compile, tu vas bien rire
[20:36] <apoc> LeRaway, dolphy : oh oui :)
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[20:36] <apoc> hi walters
[20:36] <jdahlin> dolphy: try to remove your font-cache
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[20:37] <walters> yo
[20:37] <jdahlin> dolphy: ~/.fonts.cache-1
[20:50] <dolphy> jdahlin: no change
[20:51] <jdahlin> dolphy: does fc-list show you anything?
[20:52] <dolphy> yep
[20:53] <jdahlin> ok, have no idea what can be broken then :/
[20:53] <dolphy> yeah me neither
[20:53] <dolphy> and it works fine on the x8
[20:53] <dolphy> x86
[20:53] <dolphy> probably debian related issue
[20:53] <jdahlin> yes
[20:53] <jdahlin> install yd :)
[20:54] <dolphy> hmm :)
[20:54] <dolphy> maybe one day..
[20:54] <jdahlin> or wait until fc work on ppc
[20:54] <dolphy> or just use the x86 to do totem code
[20:55] <dolphy> :)
[20:55] <jdahlin> haha, that works too
[20:55] <jdahlin> but then you can't complain how broken basicgthread is
[20:56] <ds> moo
[20:56] <dolphy> ds: yo
[20:56] <ds> dolphy: GstPlay doesn't play streams with no audio stream
[20:57] <dolphy> ds: you know what happens ?
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[20:59] <ds> yeah, the clock from the audiosink is used, but there's no data send to the audiosink
[21:01] <dolphy> hmm it's only used for length query iirc
[21:01] <dolphy> and it tries video too
[21:03] <ds> carsideimpact.mov is an example media file
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[21:10] <dolphy> ds: filesrc location="/home/dolphy/tmp/carsideimpact.mov" ! spider ! ffcolorspace ! ximagesink doesn't play it anyway
[21:11] <ds> dolphy: it does here
[21:13] <taaz> heh, you like the car crash movies?
[21:13] <ds> no, they suck... there's no plot, and all the main characters die in the end
[21:14] Action: dolphy updates 
[21:15] <jdahlin> ds, it's all about "entertainment"
[21:17] <taaz> it's better live.  you blink and crash is over
[21:18] <taaz> the place they do the crahes is pretty cool.  i think anyone can sign up for a tour on days they do crashes
[21:21] <dolphy> jdahlin: i finnished squale 0.0.1 this afternoon
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[21:22] <jdahlin> dolphy: cool, does it work okay?
[21:25] <dolphy> jdahlin: yeah
[21:25] <dolphy> jdahlin: i sent over 2 millions queries inside
[21:25] <dolphy> jdahlin: to check memory consumption
[21:25] <jdahlin> dolphy: no leaks?
[21:27] <dolphy> jdahlin: nope
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[21:30] <apoc> dolphy: what's squale ?
[21:30] <dolphy> apoc: a daemon accelerating SQL queries by providing persistent connections
[21:30] <dolphy> apoc: like sqlrelay
[21:30] <dolphy> apoc: or sqlb
[21:31] <apoc> dolphy: oh nice :)
[21:31] <dolphy> apoc: we are making extensive use of that in my company
[21:31] <dolphy> apoc: but both sqlb and sqlrelay are not so usable for high load production
[21:32] <dolphy> apoc: so i developped another one
[21:32] <dolphy> apoc: it's GPL
[21:32] <apoc> dolphy: does it work with many database ?
[21:33] <dolphy> apoc: postgresql, mysql and oracle
[21:33] <dolphy> apoc: and provides a php module
[21:33] <dolphy> apoc: and a C library
[21:34] <thomasvs> does it do the laundry ?
[21:34] <jdahlin> lo thomasvs
[21:34] <thomasvs> hey johan
[21:34] <dolphy> thomasvs: well as long as you can push your shirt through a unix socket
[21:34] <apoc> dolphy: I thought you worked fulltime with thomas on gstreamer ?
[21:34] <thomasvs> jdahlin: you have internet now ?
[21:34] <jdahlin> thomasvs: yes!
[21:34] <jdahlin> finally
[21:34] <dolphy> apoc: nope i have 2 companies :)
[21:35] <thomasvs> jdahlin: ah, congrats :)
[21:35] <jdahlin> thomasvs: it's not too bad for productivity
[21:35] <thomasvs> jdahlin: just saw somewhere outside that there's a big festival end of may in bcn
[21:35] Action: jdahlin managed to do lots of things in pygtk today
[21:35] <thomasvs> jdahlin: with the pixies headlining !
[21:35] Action: thomasvs is giddy for that
[21:35] <jdahlin> thomasvs: cool!
[21:35] Action: thomasvs is going to have to ask for one day off though :)
[21:36] <jdahlin> thomasvs: let's concinve dolphy it's work related
[21:36] <dolphy> pixies ?
[21:36] <dolphy> sounds like pixel :)
[21:36] <dolphy> video related ?
[21:36] <jdahlin> of course
[21:37] <jdahlin> they will probably have big screens in the festival
[21:37] Action: thomasvs just noticed he happens to have a movie with scarlett johanson lying around
[21:37] <jdahlin> thomasvs: ghost world?
[21:38] <thomasvs> jdahlin: yeah
[21:38] <jdahlin> it rocks :-)
[21:38] <thomasvs> well, considering getting kristien to agree to watch it :)
[21:39] <jdahlin> but Thora Birch does that movie though
[21:39] <jdahlin> thomasvs: it's a "girl movie"
[21:39] <jdahlin> so it shouldn't be difficult
[21:39] <thomasvs> well, she just woke up and she's a bit cranky :)
[21:40] <jdahlin> when did you arrive?
[21:40] <thomasvs> last night at four
[21:40] <jdahlin> eek
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[22:10] <dolphy> build seems to be broken
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[22:21] <LeRoutier> anyone of the gnonlin around ?
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[22:26] <bilboed_school> LeRoutier: yep
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[22:29] <warren_laptop> Is the API/ABI stable yet?  (Something compiled against 0.8 today should work in the next 1.5 years without a rebuild?)
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[22:35] <The_Company> warren_laptop: something compiled against 0.8 today should work with 0.8 forever
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[22:44] <warren_laptop> Yes, but when 0.9 or 1.0 happens, will that binary need recompilation to work against it?
[22:45] <LeRoutier> usualy, that's what major number change means
[22:47] <warren_laptop> The RH desktop guys said that gstreamer was heading towards a freeze in the interface, but they were not sure if it happened yet.
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[23:05] <wheels> warren_laptop: Well, it's at a temporary freeze -- all 0.8.x will be compatible, but that doesn't mean things written for 0.8.x will work with 0.9.x or greater...
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[23:06] <warren_laptop> darn...
[23:06] <warren_laptop> I was told that gstreamer is the most future proof sound output, but if it cannot remain binary compatible then we can't use it.
[23:07] <wheels> warren_laptop: I'd appreciate it if you'd send an email to the list.  This is the kind of stuff that I'd like to have on record.  :-)
[23:07] <warren_laptop> wheels, I work for Red Hat, Inc.  However Macromedia asked for recommendations for their default sound output.  They release only every 1.5 to 2 years so I want their plugin to be as compatible as possible and future proofed.
[23:08] <wheels> Oh, Redhat Inc. not just Redhat.  ;-)
[23:08] <warren_laptop> wheels, I take it that other people don't care about keeping a stable interface?
[23:08] <wheels> warren_laptop: I do; hence my recomendation of sending the mail.  :-)
[23:09] <warren_laptop> wheels, which mailing list would be best?  And do you expect that I will be flamed? =)
[23:09] <wheels> warren_laptop: (I've been something of a Gst advocate in the KDE world and this is something that we're going to have to deal with too.)
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[23:10] <wheels> warren_laptop: [email protected] -- there weren't flames when I brought this up last time, but it did spark some good discussion.
[23:10] <BBB> hi
[23:10] <warren_laptop> wheels, it would be awesome if we can move toward a standard of streamer... but doesn't gstreamer use glib?  I would think that KDE would realliy frown upon that?
[23:10] <wheels> howdy BBB 
[23:10] <wheels> warren_laptop: So does aRts at this point.
[23:10] <BBB> could I ask one of our bugsquad people to please create a tracker bug for all non-working movies?
[23:10] <warren_laptop> wheels, oh really... ah
[23:11] <wheels> warren_laptop: It is a point against it in the KDE world, but it's likely not a fatal blow.  :-)
[23:11] <warren_laptop> wheels, I still have the opinion that KDE rejected gstreamer and gconf mainly because of the leading "g".
[23:11] <warren_laptop> wheels, note that they did not fully reject d-bus.  It does not begin with "g". =)
[23:11] <wheels> warren_laptop: Well, we rejected gconf because it sucks.  :-)
[23:12] <warren_laptop> wheels, I happen to agree that it sucks, but now we have several competing standards. =(
[23:12] <warren_laptop> (Or lack of standards entirely.)
[23:13] <wheels> warren_laptop: Well, but that's not a strong argument in the KDE community (and this is a community difference) -- KDE is less likely to adopt something that it doesn't like for the sake of "standards".
[23:13] <wheels> warren_laptop: That really won't be a sigificant factor for KDE and GSt either, really...
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[23:30] <abo> My gstreamer does stuff like this: open("/opt/gnome2/lib/gstreamer-0.8/libgstspider.so", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOTDIR (Not a directory)
[23:30] <abo> Is that normal?
[23:30] <abo> (Hello, BTW. :)
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[23:31] Action: mathrick feels refreshed
[23:34] <thomasvs> abo: does it bother you ? :)
[23:34] <thomasvs> abo: feel free to file a bug with a complete strace output and I'll look into it
[23:36] <BBB> wheels: how far is gst-in-kde right now?
[23:37] <wheels> BBB: technically or politically?
[23:37] <abo> thomasvs: Well, it doesn't work, so I'm trying to figure out why. It looked odd...
[23:38] <BBB> wheels: either
[23:38] <BBB> "it" doesn't work
[23:38] <BBB> ...
[23:38] <BBB> ?
[23:38] <wheels> BBB: Well there hasn't been much recently on the political front -- on the technical with the bindings it's still using 0.6 -- I hope to update the bindings to 0.8 over the Easter holiday...
[23:39] <abo> BBB: Yeah, I know. I'm trying to think of what to write. :)
[23:39] <thomasvs> abo: how about "which command did you run ?"
[23:39] <abo> This, for example: gst-launch filesrc location=/usr/share/apps/khangman/sounds/new_game.ogg ! vorbisdec ! audioconvert ! esdsink
[23:40] <thomasvs> abo: you didn't have oggdemux
[23:40] <abo> Results in
[23:40] <thomasvs> abo: how about sinesrc ! esdsink ?
[23:40] <BBB> how about gst-launch filesrc location=/usr/share/apps/khangman/sounds/new_game.ogg ! oggdemux ! vorbisdec ! audioconvert ! esdsink
[23:42] <abo> Oh. Yeah, that works. (Had to put audioconvert after sinesrc)
[23:45] <abo> So vorbisfile is replaced by oggdemux ! vorbisdec. Sorry about that. But I still can't get totem to work...
[23:46] <wheels> heh -- http://nat.org/choto.php3?p=3639 -- I knew the GNOMEs don't love me.
[23:47] <thomasvs> wheels: heh, that's funny :)
[23:48] <BBB> abo: "can't get to work" isn't particularly useful ;)
[23:49] <BBB> do you have gst-ffmpeg? do you have common decoder plugins (mpeg2dec; check gst-inspect)? what happens?
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[23:50] <apoc> night tguys
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[23:51] <thomasvs> sleepy time
[23:51] <abo> BBB: I think I need gst-ffmpeg. Wonder why it isn't included in jhbuild.
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[23:55] <abo> Well, thanks. Mostly I just manted to rule out that strange ENOTDIR thing....
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[00:06] <abo> BBB: What actually happens is that totem starts but then gets stuck and won't start playing the file. I could file a bug with --gst-debug-level=3 output, but maybe I should debug it some more myself first. :)
[00:08] <BBB> gst-ffmpeg is needed for pretty much any movie
[00:08] <BBB> don't know why it gets stuck
[00:08] <BBB> anyway...
[00:09] <BBB> it isn't included in jhbuild because it's not part of GNOME, unlike gst-plugins and gstreamer
[00:09] <BBB> I don't know why
[00:09] <LeRoutier> abo : try to launch totem with --gst-scheduler=basicgthread     and see if it fails too
[00:09] <BBB> thomasvs tried to explain me one day, but he confused the hell out of me
[00:12] <abo> BBB: I see. Well, it was easy to add. :)
[00:12] <abo> LeRoutier: Nope, no difference.
[00:13] <abo> BBB: But you're right, I'm missing mpeg2dec, which probably have something to do with a missing mpeg2dec-devel rpm...
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[00:27] <BBB> yes
[00:27] <BBB> you need development packages
[00:27] <BBB> mpeg2dec is for playing MPEG movies
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[00:28] <BBB> gst-ffmpeg is mostly for AVI and Quicktime format codecs (divx, xvid, cinepak, sorensen, mpeg4, etc.)
[00:31] <abo> Yup. I'm recompiling now. totem and gst-player still won't play oggs though even though that works on the command line now, but that's anouther issue...
[00:32] <abo> I'll get back with a trace/debug log if I can't figure it out.
[00:33] <abo> gstdvddemux.c:295: `GST_EVENT_ANY' undeclared (first use in this function)
[00:33] <abo> Haven't I seen that one before?
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[00:35] <abo> Yes. I'm missing libdvd* devel packages.
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[00:44] <mathrick> abo: it shouldn't compile it when libdvd* devel header aren't present
[00:47] <LeRoutier> missing gstevent.h include i'd say
[00:47] <BBB> do you have latest CVS of gstreamer-core
[00:47] <BBB> it contains that
[00:47] <BBB> gstevent.h is in gst.h
[00:48] <abo> mathrick: Yeah, they were probably unrelated. It was just a case of gstreamer and gst-plugins not being matching versions.
[00:48] <LeRoutier> GST_EVENT_ANY is recent (15:30 on Mar 27, 2004) so if your gstreamer is older ...
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[02:23] <LeRoutier> good, gnome-media 2.6.0 & nautilus-media 0.7.0 just reached gentoo. 
[02:29] Action: BBB thinks about submitting patches for a generic profile framework in gstreamer-0.9 right now
[02:29] Action: BBB ponders... yes or no?
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[02:32] <thaytoo> BBB: why wait?
[02:32] <thaytoo> as long as by 'submitting' you don't mean 'committing' 
[02:32] <BBB> no
[02:32] <BBB> bug report
[02:33] Action: BBB thinks there is one
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[02:40] <LeRoutier> i saw some 'profile stuff' using gconf-editor, is that in use ?
[02:42] <BBB> that's thomasvs' stuff
[02:42] <BBB> he didn't want to wait for my stuff to be finished, he wanted a simple profile thing in gnome-2.6
[02:53] Action: BBB bugzilla's
[02:54] <BBB> see bugzilla
[02:57] <LeRoutier>  who ? me ? Uraeus report for qt/mov ?
[02:59] <BBB> nobody specifically :)
[02:59] <BBB> but anyway, profile stuff is in bugzilla
[02:59] <BBB> I'll commit when we've branched off 0.8.x


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