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[03:07] <ds> Company: seems ok
[03:13] <Company> gst_pad_select leaked a GList to boot
[03:13] <Company> or could leak a GList if the cothread died
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[03:39] Action: Company happily breaks gst_pad_select
[03:40] <ds> breaks?  it never worked
[03:43] <Company> ... and API/ABI
[03:43] <Company> i hope not, but we'll see
[03:46] Action: Company just understood how gst_pad_select was supposed to work
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[03:50] <Company> hm, no
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[04:04] <Company> someone needs wireless again, because his landline is buggy
[04:05] <ds_> yeah, I can't figure out wtf is going on
[04:05] <ds_> it occasionally disconnects with another computer attached to the same hub
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[04:28] <Company> we should move cothreads.[ch] into the scheduler dir
[04:29] <Company> ds_ (if you're still there ;)): do we still have callback based elements like vorbisfile?
[04:29] <Company> ds_: i only know about mikmod
[04:29] <Company> vorbisfile is gone
[04:29] <Company> anything else?
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[04:36] <Company> <Company> ds_ (if you're still there ;)): do we still have callback based elements like vorbisfile?
[04:36] <Company>  ds-work ds_ 
[04:36] <Company> <Company> ds_: i only know about mikmod
[04:36] <Company> <Company> vorbisfile is gone
[04:36] <Company> <Company> anything else?
[04:37] <ds_> hmmm
[04:37] <ds_> audiofile?
[04:37] <ds_> or something like that
[04:37] <Company> dunno, never hacked it
[04:37] <ds_> one of those really annoying sound decoding libraries
[04:38] <Company> yeah
[04:38] <Company> so nothing important
[04:38] <ds_> sndfile
[04:39] <ds_> er, no
[04:39] <ds_> I figured out why my network is flaky
[04:39] <Company> why?
[04:39] <ds_> I'm running 2.6.1 instead of 2.6.3
[04:40] <ds_> I upgraded to .3 a long time ago because the network was buggy :)
[04:40] <Company> ds_: you can look at my recent commit so we're sure nothing broke ABI
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[04:40] <Company> grrr
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[04:46] <ds> should be better now
[04:46] Nick change: Nero4 -> md`
[04:47] <Company> ds: scheduler stuff is in
[04:47] <Company> ds: at least the first batch
[04:48] <ds> did you catch the Event *event thing?
[04:48] <Company> Event *event?
[04:49] <ds> er, that would be a no, then
[04:49] <ds> ok, wireless back on-line, too
[04:50] <Company> i just removed gst_scheduler_element_lock and gst_pad_select
[04:51] <ds> http://www.schleef.org/~ds/patch
[04:52] <ds> removed?
[04:52] <Company> deprecated
[04:52] <Company> and stopped calling the scheduler->* implementations
[04:52] <Company> why does my compiler not warn about those things?
[04:53] <ds> dunno
[04:54] <ds> we should turn on the warning about local variables hiding other variables
[04:56] <Company> i'm using -g --march=athlon-xp - but that shouldn't change a thing
[04:56] <ds> unless that turns off -O2
[04:57] <Company> yeah, it does
[04:57] <Company> do optimizations influence warnings?
[04:57] <ds> yes
[04:57] <Company> bad
[04:57] <ds> lots of warnings don't show up if -O2 isn't enabled
[04:58] <Company> very bad
[04:58] <ds> unused variables, etc
[04:58] Action: Company edits .bashrc
[04:59] <ds> no big deal, I'm happy to pick up the slack if you prefer to compile with -O0 for testing
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[05:05] <Company> nah, i'm not gonna compile with O0
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[07:04] <dolphy> distcheck currently fails
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[07:17] <BBB> dolphy: you're early today
[07:17] <dolphy> BBB: fixing servers :)
[07:18] <dolphy> BBB: i ll go back to bed soon :)
[07:23] <BBB> at 7am?
[07:23] <BBB> dude
[07:23] <BBB> you're ill :D
[07:24] <dolphy> well when servers are burning
[07:24] <dolphy> you have to wake up
[07:24] <dolphy> i m here since 06h aM
[07:24] <BBB> burning? :D
[07:24] <dolphy> yeah some moron filled up the system partition of a server
[07:24] <dolphy> i m moving 2.5G of 10 k jpeg files
[07:25] <dolphy> to another partition
[07:25] <dolphy> it's sooooo slow
[07:26] <dolphy> ok 
[07:26] <dolphy> back to bed
[07:26] <dolphy> ++
[07:26] <dolphy> :)
[07:28] <BBB> :)
[07:28] Action: BBB should go too
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[07:58] <markey> wheels: about?
[07:59] Action: markey can't get the friggin GST_BOILERPLATE_FULL macro compiled with C++
[07:59] <markey> god I hate macros
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[12:26] <Uraeus> good morning
[12:29] <wheels> markey|run: the chances of me being awake a 8:00 on a Sunday morning are pretty small.  ;-)
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[12:57] <Company> markey: GST_BOILERPLATE_FULL should compile with current cvs
[12:57] <markey> oh well I'm still on 0.8
[12:58] <markey> and my users, too
[12:58] <markey> I'm getting a type error
[12:58] <Company> yeah, i fixed that
[12:58] <markey> can't convert int to to GTypeBlah
[12:58] <markey> what to do?
[12:58] <markey> I guess I need to copy the macro
[12:58] <markey> into my source?
[12:59] <Company> http://freedesktop.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/gstreamer/gstreamer/gst/gstutils.h?r1=1.22&r2=1.23
[12:59] <Company> apply that to your installed gstutils.h file
[12:59] <Company> or copy thatr thing into your source
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[13:05] <FuzzyTheBear> Gentlemen..  im building  jhbuild  from cvs ( 2.8  module set )  i get an error  i cant  decypher can i paste the  5 relevant lines ? 
[13:06] <FuzzyTheBear> during  gst plugins build 
[13:06] <FuzzyTheBear> kiosrc.cpp:558: error: no matching function for call to `KCmdLineArgs::init(
[13:06] <FuzzyTheBear>    int, char**, const char[21], const char[21], const char[21], const char[8],
[13:06] <FuzzyTheBear>    bool)'
[13:06] <FuzzyTheBear> /usr/include/kde/kcmdlineargs.h:213: error: candidates are: static void
[13:06] <FuzzyTheBear>    KCmdLineArgs::init(int, char**, const char*, const char*, const char*, bool)
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[13:13] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: Uhm, well, those two lines match.  ;-)
[13:13] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: What compiler are you using?
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[13:14] <FuzzyTheBear> checking.. will take a moment .. im trying the ./configure  manually .. rolling along..   momento .  gcc 3 3 2 iirc
[13:15] <ow3n> Hi.
[13:15] <FuzzyTheBear> im on fedora 1  gnome 2.6 ( latest JHBuild  and  trying to build 2.7 
[13:16] <abo_> Actually, the bool at the end is: bool noKApp = false (on RHL9). Maybe that's why it won't match?
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[13:20] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: Ah, just noticed that I had counted one const char * too few...
[13:21] <FuzzyTheBear> i havent a  clue ..  :)   but  during a manual ./configure .. says freetype2 missing  a  bunch packs  missing .. a long list of plugins not being built..  ill work on this too there.. 
[13:21] <FuzzyTheBear> wheels   so it's an error in the cvs version ?  or  can i fix that manually here  editing ?? 
[13:22] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: I'm looking.  I know it works for several people, so I'm not sure what's up...
[13:22] <FuzzyTheBear> what a coincidence : neither do i :)= 
[13:24] <FuzzyTheBear> if you want me to try something ..  heck .. that's  why im building the latest .. if i can help testing something for you .. go for it 
[13:25] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: Well, I'm guessing that it must be a pretty old KDE version -- 3.0 maybe?
[13:26] <FuzzyTheBear> it's the stock KDE  that coes with Fedora..  since i never use it .. i havent a clue
[13:26] <FuzzyTheBear> :)) 
[13:26] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: can you do a 'rpm -q kdelibs'
[13:26] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: (Or maybe 'rpm -qa | grep -i kde' -- I just want to see the version.)
[13:26] <FuzzyTheBear> kdelibs-3.1.4-4
[13:27] <wheels> hmm
[13:27] Action: wheels checks some more things...
[13:28] Action: FuzzyTheBear thankfull for the help 
[13:29] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: Ok, yeah, that wasn't there in KDE 3.1 -- just a sec and I'll fix CVS...
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[13:30] <FuzzyTheBear> wheels :  thank you :)
[13:38] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: Ok, update and it should be fixed...
[13:38] <FuzzyTheBear> ok .  give me  a few minutes... im getting a lot of packs the configure stage is complaining about too .. 
[13:39] <FuzzyTheBear> wont build a lot of plugins id really like to have  working 
[14:04] <FuzzyTheBear> U gst-plugins/ext/kio/kiosrc.cpp      it's there now 
[14:08] <FuzzyTheBear> oops  forgot to add the  ogg package..  ill rebuild later :) but first let'ssee if this will compile ..   will take a few more
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[14:18] <FuzzyTheBear> wheels .  im happy to report a build gst-plugins  .The fix  worked 
[14:18] <wheels> FuzzyTheBear: great
[14:18] <FuzzyTheBear> Good work :) 
[14:20] <FuzzyTheBear> Again   thank you.   yup  install complete .. it's on Gnome-media 
[14:20] <FuzzyTheBear> Ok  ..  have a great day ..  im off
[14:20] <FuzzyTheBear> (  ps  im in lemmings if you need somethign tested ) 
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[14:27] Action: Company wonders if there's a way to reduce font sizes in devhelp
[14:29] <teuf> Company: you can do that in the preferences dialog
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[14:30] <mathrick> yo
[14:31] <Company> teuf: develp has no preferences dialog
[14:33] <teuf> Company: mine has edit/preferences
[14:33] <teuf> devhelp 0.9
[14:33] <teuf> I changed the font size yesterday because it was too small :)
[14:34] <Company> teuf: compiled from sources i guess?
[14:34] <teuf> yep
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[14:36] <Company> debian dtill has 0.8, so there are no preferences for me
[14:40] <ploum> Company, where do you find 0.8 packages for Debian ?
[14:43] <Company> ploum: i was talking about devhelp
[14:43] <ploum> sorry...
[14:44] <ploum> I was hoping that you talk about gstreamer ;)
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[15:07] Action: Company is gonna use a GMainLoop in his scheduler now
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[19:45] <dtm> hi all.  i wonder if anyone here is familiar with using mplex from mjpegtools to multiplex mpeg streams for use with VCD
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[19:54] <Company> dtm: BBB would be if he were here
[19:54] <dtm> kthx
[20:14] <Misirlou> dtm: Funnily enough, I believe that Ulrich Drepper has a page describing how to do that.
[20:15] <dtm> Misirlou: ok.  well I have a command but the result is out of synch  :\
[20:15] <dtm> mplex -f 2 -m 1 -V -b 46 -S 735 -o foo%d.mpg foo.mpa foo.mpv
[20:15] <dtm> i didn't know if it had anything to do with the fact that I'm using vbr
[20:16] <dtm> which i dont think is exactly to strict VCD spec
[20:16] <Misirlou> Here's the page: <http://people.redhat.com/drepper/svcd.html>
[20:16] <dtm> iirc
[20:16] <Misirlou> I don't know if it helps.
[20:16] <dtm> Misirlou: ok thanks i'll look now
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[20:48] Action: Company shoots threads
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[21:02] <wheels> Company: are you sure that shooting is a thread-safe operation?
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[21:03] <Company> mathrick: they do that already
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[21:03] <Company> wheels: you can't break on pthread_cond_wait in gdb
[21:04] <mathrick> Company: because that's atomic operation, I guess
[21:04] <Company> no, it's a versioned function
[21:04] <Company> and it can't be an atomic operation, because it's a syscall
[21:05] <mathrick> so gdb can't debug versioned funcs? how is glibc debugged then?
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[21:05] <mathrick> or is it not? ;)
[21:05] <Company> i have no clue
[21:05] <Company> run code
[21:05] <Company> try br pthread_cond_wait@GLIBC_2.0
[21:06] <Company> owon't work
[21:06] <mathrick> and @GLIBC_2.0 is supposed to be func version selector?
[21:06] Action: mathrick never tried that
[21:06] <Company> yup
[21:07] <mathrick> gdb generally sucks at selecting file / version / whatever ops
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[21:08] <Mongrol> anyone seen "cant create audio output element" in rhythmbox?
[21:09] <teuf> do you ahve gst-plugins installed ?
[21:09] <Mongrol> a few yes, including alsa
[21:09] <mathrick> Mongrol: this mean you have not installed or incorrectly set audio output sink
[21:09] Action: bitshifter has spent 30 minutes today trying to get cvs rhythmbox to use a different audiosink, but without much luck
[21:09] <Mongrol> where do I check the sink?
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[21:10] <teuf> bitshifter: gstreamer-properties doesn't work ?
[21:10] <teuf> Mongrol: gstreamer-properties
[21:10] <mathrick> ho BBB
[21:10] <Mongrol> aha
[21:10] <BBB> lo
[21:10] <Mongrol> didn`t know that existed :)
[21:10] <Mongrol> gnome devs seem to omit icons for these things
[21:10] <BBB> it's about time I do some media tests and fix some elements :)
[21:11] Action: BBB got back from conference at 2pm yesterday and worked at university until 9pm after that :(
[21:11] <bitshifter> teuf: ah, that's part of GNOME then I suppose?
[21:11] <teuf> bitshifter: comes with gnome-media I think
[21:11] <BBB> it's in gnome-media, yes
[21:11] <teuf> bitshifter: but modifying the appropriate gconf key with gconftool/gconf-editor should be enough to change rb output sink
[21:11] <mathrick> BBB: doesn't sound too nice
[21:11] <Mongrol> does it need a relogin to take affect?
[21:11] <bitshifter> teuf: I changed all the keys using gconftool-2 - but that didn't help much either 
[21:12] <teuf> Mongrol: nope
[21:12] Action: mathrick did drinking and table soccer yesterday :)
[21:12] <Mongrol> test works, rhythmbox still doesn`t
[21:12] <teuf> Mongrol: what about the command line described in rhythmbox readme ?
[21:12] <teuf> gst-launch-0.8 something
[21:12] <teuf> ?
[21:13] <BBB> mathrick: university life can be hard :)
[21:13] Action: BBB just fixed gnomevfssink a bit better
[21:14] <mathrick> BBB: I know, but I make my university life hard myself, by putting everything off until just-before-finals :)
[21:14] Action: Mongrol goes hunting for a readme
[21:14] <markey> procrastinate now :)
[21:15] <teuf> Mongrol: gst-launch gnomevfssrc location=/path/to/my/musicfile.ogg ! spider ! volume
[21:15] <teuf> ! $(gconftool-2 -g /system/gstreamer/default/audiosink)
[21:15] <teuf>  
[21:15] <teuf>   Just replace /path/to/my/musicfile.ogg with some sound file.
[21:16] <Mongrol> ERROR: from element /pipeline0/gnomevfssrc0: Could not open vfs file "file:///tank/mp3/Muse/Absolution/Hysteria.mp3" for reading.
[21:16] <Mongrol> gstgnomevfssrc.c(1078): gst_gnomevfssrc_open_file: /pipeline0/gnomevfssrc0:
[21:16] <Mongrol> File not found
[21:16] <Mongrol> ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to play.
[21:16] <Mongrol> pipes broke :)
[21:17] <mathrick> you need to give it valid filename, y'know :)
[21:17] <Mongrol> give what?
[21:17] <mathrick> like, I think you meant ~/tank/blahblah
[21:18] <Mongrol> nope, that is valid
[21:18] <mathrick> ls /tank/mp3/Muse/Absolution/Hysteria.mp3 ?
[21:18] <Mongrol> yes
[21:18] <mathrick> then it should work
[21:19] <mathrick> and really, you have "tank" folder in your root dir?
[21:19] <mathrick> strange
[21:19] <Mongrol> its mounted
[21:19] <mathrick> ic
[21:19] Action: mathrick uses /mnt
[21:20] <mathrick> and subdirs
[21:20] <Mongrol> mnt is 3 chars too long
[21:20] <mathrick> but way cleaner
[21:20] <Mongrol> linux FS is a big mess, 1 more dir isn`t going to make a difference
[21:20] <mathrick> I have 9 or something mounts atm, way too much clutter for root
[21:20] Action: teuf has /media for its music
[21:21] <Mongrol> anyway, is there a way to get more debug info here?
[21:22] <mathrick> well, you could use --gst-debug-level={1-5}, but this won't give you much more than "file doesn't exist" stuff, I guess
[21:22] <mathrick> it's gnome-vfs who reports it, not gstreamer per se
[21:22] <Mongrol> hmm
[21:22] <mathrick> try to cd /tank/mp3/Muse
[21:23] <mathrick> and use relative path
[21:23] <Mongrol> tried that too
[21:23] <Mongrol> also tried another not on a mounted dir (incase taht was it)
[21:23] <teuf> Mongrol: try with filesrc instead of gnomevfssrc
[21:24] <Mongrol> ERROR: from element /pipeline0/filesrc0: Resource not found.
[21:24] <Mongrol> ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to play.
[21:28] <mathrick> Mongrol: just face it - you don't have that file :)
[21:29] <Mongrol> or any file it seems
[21:29] <mathrick> oww, you're screwed then :)
[21:29] Action: mathrick watches Mongrol fading into nonexistance ;)
[21:31] <BBB> what's MLT?
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[21:32] <Zeenix> hi
[21:32] <wheels> BBB: Heh -- are you on the kde-mm list?
[21:32] <Mongrol> your right, I don`t have that file
[21:32] <markey> hehe
[21:32] <Mongrol> I have "08 Hysteria.mp3"
[21:32] <markey> BBB: another competitor :)
[21:32] Action: markey praises choice
[21:32] <Mongrol> now I get RUNNING pipeline ...
[21:32] <Mongrol> ERROR: pipeline doesn't want to play.
[21:33] <wheels> BBB: this is actually more info than they have on their website: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-multimedia&m=108106379804846&w=2
[21:33] <markey> right, the site doesn't reveal too much
[21:34] <wheels> markey: Well, they don't even really have tarballs on the site...
[21:35] <markey> wheels: rome wasn't built in 1 day, either ;)
[21:35] <markey> <smartass mode>
[21:35] <Company> kde must be really desperate when it now considers jokes
[21:36] <wheels> markey: Heh, I like this game.  Well, but I wouldn't want to live in Rome when it's just being built up either.  :-)
[21:36] <wheels> Company: Thanks for your vote of confidence.  ;-)
[21:36] <BBB> wheels: guess why I was asking?
[21:37] <wheels> BBB: Well, that's what I suspected...
[21:37] <Mongrol> should I have 0.6 and 0.8 gst programs?
[21:37] <BBB> wheels, markey: I just sent a reply, I've talked to Dan before, he knows GStreamer ;) I'm hoping he will reply
[21:37] <Company> wheels: that looks like GStreamer would think about making y windows our official supported platform ;)
[21:37] <BBB> I talked to Dan during the 0.6.x era, we both wanted a framework for video editing
[21:37] <BBB> actually
[21:37] <BBB> that was the 0.4.x era
[21:37] <BBB> or 0.3.x or so
[21:37] <BBB> prehistoric
[21:37] <BBB> anyway
[21:37] <BBB> I just joined GStreamer by then
[21:37] <BBB> he was doubting
[21:37] <BBB> I guess he chose the other way
[21:38] <BBB> "blue pill or red pill"
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[21:41] <Zeenix> BBB: and all you are offering is nothing but the truth? :)
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[21:45] <dtm> BBB: hi!  i heard that you're the mjpegtools person around here
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[21:50] <LeRoutier> hi guys
[21:53] <BBB> dtm: I am
[21:53] <BBB> Zeenix: that we've taken over the world? yes.. ;)
[21:55] <wheels> BBB: Ok, but if I ever see you in tight leather I think I'm going to have to stop multimedia development altogether.
[21:55] <wheels> BBB: Especially if you go around mumbling something about "the one".
[21:56] <Company> wheels: heaven't you noticed the subtle hints?
[21:56] <Company> wheels: like the image on the gstreamer homepage?
[22:03] <BBB> he doesn't know
[22:03] <BBB> he's not the one
[22:05] Action: wheels is the two.
[22:08] <BBB> :)
[22:08] <BBB> damn damn
[22:08] Action: BBB shoots email
[22:09] Action: wheels enrolls #gstreamer in anger management classes.
[22:10] Action: LeRoutier is drunk and would better be in bed
[22:16] Action: Company kicks gdb
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[22:16] <Company> it's probably easier to debug threaded apps with valgrind
[22:17] <mathrick> LeRoutier: being drunk on channel is fun :)
[22:17] Action: wheels pays homage to the mighty valgrind.
[22:17] Action: mathrick tried that yesterday
[22:18] <Company> wheels: ever tried doing anything thread-related in valgrind?
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[22:18] <wheels> Company: not much
[22:18] <BBB> what the hell is wrong with exchange?
[22:19] <Company> wheels: if you do you know how much it sucks ;)
[22:19] <BBB> jesus c..., every single MS product that I use fails hopelessly
[22:19] <BBB> why, WHY?
[22:19] <wheels> Company: I actually thought it had improved with them, but as I said I haven't done it much...
[22:22] <BBB> what?
[22:22] <Company> thread debugging with valgrind
[22:23] <markey> Company: tell me about it
[22:23] <markey> valgrind and threading..
[22:23] <BBB> and yes I missed the last few minutes because I used a wrong accesspoint
[22:23] <Company> the only thing i miss is a schedule_other_thread function
[22:23] <markey> it's impossible to valgrind amarok, for instance
[22:23] <Company> markey: haven't done much because it sucked ;)
[22:23] <Company> markey: why's that?
[22:23] <Company> markey: too much bugs?
[22:23] <Company> ;)
[22:23] <markey> Company: not sure, I suspect issues with multithreading
[22:24] <markey> valgrind gets confused
[22:24] <wheels> markey: do you do threading for stuff  other than the backends?
[22:24] <markey> just quits or crashes or freezes
[22:24] <markey> wheels: quite a lot is threaded 
[22:24] Action: mathrick pressed "Install" button for 2.6 bits
[22:24] Action: mathrick hides in shelter and waits
[22:25] <wheels> markey: Hmm, scary.  ;-)
[22:25] <Company> markey: i can valgrind rhythmbox without problems
[22:25] <markey> wheels: mxcl came up with nice class that makes it easier, "Threadweaver"
[22:25] <markey> great stuff
[22:25] <Company> markey: with up to 15 threads with the right gst scheduler ;)
[22:25] <markey> handles posting events and all
[22:25] <wheels> markey: Hmm, Mirko wrote something by the same name.  Are you sure it's not the same?
[22:26] <markey> wheels: maybe mirko == mxcl, split personality
[22:26] <markey> you never know
[22:27] <wheels> markey: see kdenonbeta/threadweaver
[22:27] Action: Company kicks debian
[22:27] <markey> interesting, let's see
[22:28] <Zeenix> bad bsd guys: http://www.univ.kiev.ua/~levsha/img/FreeBSD_Linux.gif
[22:28] <wheels> markey: they don't seem related though
[22:28] <markey> wheels: true, but from a first glance it looks like a similar concept
[22:28] <markey> amazing :)
[22:29] <wheels> Zeenix: I'm not sure that would be particularly promotional.  ;-)
[22:35] <markey> are there any plans for an equalizer plugin?
[22:35] Action: mathrick points @ jimmy_dean
[22:35] <jimmy_dean> lol
[22:35] Action: markey looks @ jimmy_dean
[22:35] <jimmy_dean> everyone points at me
[22:36] <markey> jimmy_dean: plan to whip something up? :)
[22:36] <markey> I'd sure appreciate it
[22:36] <jimmy_dean> markey: I already have something but it just segfaults
[22:36] <markey> can't have it all 
[22:36] <jimmy_dean> but there's a better way to design things...I was merely experimenting
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[22:40] <jimmy_dean> markey: are you wanting to code an equalizer plugin?
[22:40] <markey> jimmy_dean: I'd rather use something coded by you ;)
[22:40] <jimmy_dean> hehe
[22:40] <jimmy_dean> roight
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[22:40] <markey> jimmy_dean: seriously, it would be nice to have
[22:40] <jimmy_dean> don't hold your breath :)
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[22:41] <markey> sure I could try to help sometime
[22:41] <jimmy_dean> oh I agree...that's why I started experimenting
[22:41] <markey> we've got an equalizer for aRts, maybe we could port or at least re-use some ideas
[22:41] <jimmy_dean> it'll probably sit on hold for a while...I am finishing up school and starting this summer I will be extremely busy
[22:41] <jimmy_dean> markey: hmm interesting...I'd like to look at that
[22:42] <jimmy_dean> markey: are you a KDE user or just use aRts?
[22:42] <markey> KDE, yep
[22:42] <jimmy_dean> cool, so you probably heard about this from the freedesktop.org initiative?
[22:42] <markey> about you finishing school?
[22:42] <markey> not yet
[22:42] <mathrick> :)
[22:42] <markey> hehe
[22:43] <markey> about what?
[22:43] <jimmy_dean> about what what?
[22:43] <jimmy_dean> fd.org?
[22:43] <jimmy_dean> or what about school?
[22:43] <markey> sure I know fd.o
[22:43] <mathrick> jimmy_dean: markey is amarok's dev, who ports it to different backends routinely :)
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[22:44] <mathrick> jimmy_dean: I think that's the bit of knowledge you wanted
[22:44] <jimmy_dean> what's amarok?
[22:44] <jimmy_dean> :)
[22:44] <Company> markey: when are you going to o the MPT port btw? ;)
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[22:44] <markey> mpt?
[22:44] <markey> you made that up
[22:44] <markey> admit it
[22:44] <BBB> the new thing by the kino devs
[22:44] <BBB> mlt
[22:44] <BBB> dan & charles
[22:45] <Company> oh, mlt
[22:45] <BBB> mlt.sf.net
[22:45] <markey> no plans yet ;)
[22:45] <BBB> I think
[22:45] <markey> yep
[22:46] <mathrick> it looks _very_ TV oriented
[22:46] <markey> indeed
[22:46] <mathrick> too much, IMO
[22:46] <BBB> they're getting paid by an asian TV company
[22:46] <BBB> but anyway
[22:46] <BBB> I'm getting paid by a dutch one ;)
[22:46] <mathrick> I know, but that's a bit too much
[22:47] <jimmy_dean> markey: I'll take a look at aRts's equalizer code when I get the chance...is aRts C++?
[22:47] <BBB> I agree
[22:47] <Company> the best multimedia tools are those where the devs don't get paid ;)
[22:47] <BBB> I sent a quesiton
[22:47] <BBB> but my email fails
[22:47] <BBB> exchange madness
[22:47] <BBB> :(
[22:47] <markey> jimmy_dean: yes
[22:47] <BBB> Company: wrong
[22:47] <jimmy_dean> markey: excellent...I love C++
[22:47] <BBB> mplayer sucks, xine sucks
[22:47] <BBB> gstreamer rocks, though
[22:47] <BBB> and we get paid
[22:47] <BBB> ;)
[22:47] <mathrick> hehe :)
[22:47] <Company> BBB: mplayer is the best damn video player that i know
[22:47] <BBB> PLAYER
[22:47] <BBB> not tool
[22:47] <Company> a player is a tool ;)
[22:48] <BBB> erik was paid by ridgerun, I by delta, johan/thomas/julien by fluendo... do we consider ds a paid person?
[22:48] Action: mathrick dislikes MPlayer
[22:48] <mathrick> I use it as the last resort
[22:48] <BBB> mplayer isn't a framework
[22:48] <mathrick> I know that
[22:48] <BBB> it's useless for my company
[22:48] <BBB> it's useless for fluendo's goals
[22:48] <BBB> it's just a player
[22:48] <Company> yeah, everyone gets paid *sigh*
[22:48] <mathrick> that's the primary reason of me disliking it :)
[22:48] <BBB> so?
[22:48] <BBB> paid tools are apparently good
[22:48] <Company> i don't ;)
[22:49] <BBB> Company: get a job then ;)
[22:49] <BBB> ask for trow's position at novell
[22:49] <BBB> :p
[22:49] <jdahlin> cut your hair and get a job :)
[22:49] <BBB> heh :D
[22:49] <BBB> says the guy with the longest hair
[22:49] <mathrick> is cutting your hair necessary for getting a job?
[22:49] <jdahlin> I used to have long hair, not any longer :-)
[22:49] <BBB> it helps
[22:49] <Company> depends on the job
[22:49] <BBB> jdahlin: not anymore?
[22:49] <BBB> hm
[22:49] Action: mathrick will probably be unemployed forever then ;)
[22:49] <Company> he wanted to get a job at fluendo
[22:50] <BBB> Company: fixing gst plugins to playback as many formats as mplayer ;)
[22:50] <Company> so he cut his hair ;)
[22:50] <jdahlin> yeah :-)
[22:50] <Misirlou> long hair is a bitch
[22:50] <mathrick> long hair rocks
[22:50] <jdahlin> it's neat, but high maintainence cost
[22:50] <mathrick> jdahlin: true
[22:50] <Company> BBB: i'll fix the core to play them as fast as mplayer
[22:51] Action: BBB fixes plugins...
[22:51] <wheels> mathrick: It's all lies.  I have long hair and work in one of the more conservative companies around.  :-)
[22:51] Action: Company fixes plugins, too - but only because he has to
[22:51] <mathrick> wheels: wheew, you saved me :)
[22:51] <BBB> wheels: where do you work?
[22:51] <wheels> BBB: SAP LinuxLab
[22:51] <BBB> what's that?
[22:51] <wheels> BBB: You don't know SAP?
[22:51] <BBB> no
[22:51] <mathrick> SAP - it's that big big ERP thing?
[22:52] <mathrick> SAP R/3 or something...
[22:52] <Company> yup
[22:52] <wheels> BBB: Oh, uhm, ERP stuff -- Europe's biggest software company...
[22:52] <Company> business logic
[22:52] <Company> restructurin your company to fit the software
[22:52] <mathrick> heh :)
[22:53] <wheels> Well, it really almost does work that way -- and that's actually a lot of what people are looking for...
[22:53] <wheels> (As weird as that sounds.)
[22:53] <Company> it'll work until someone finds a better model and a software for that
[22:54] <wheels> Company: Well, it'll work for about 20 years after that actually.  The ERP market isn't exactly fast moving.  :-)
[22:54] <Company> wheels: i know
[22:54] <Company> wheels: SAP's frontend has worse usability than the debian stable installer though ;)
[22:55] <wheels> Company: Oh, it sucks ass.  :-)
[22:55] <wheels> Company: I start trying to rally people to start a rewrite every few weeks...  :-)
[22:56] <Company> wheels: i won't suggest open sourcing it because even that doesn't help SAP software ;)
[22:56] <Company> wheels: or is there actually a community around SAP DB?
[22:56] <wheels> Company: Sort of -- there are actually kind of two -- one using it in SAP applications and others using it for other stuff...
[22:57] <wheels> Company: I think the lists for it get a few posts a day...
[22:57] <Company> wheels: that's more than i thought
[22:57] <wheels> Company: But unfortunately getting outside patches in is basically impossible.  It's even hard for us in a different office.  :-)
[22:59] <Company> wheels: that'll change in around 18 years
[23:00] <Company> wheels: you know, those companies are not really fast-moving, you know? ;)
[23:01] <wheels> Company: Well, there's one company (that has several KDE folks working for it) just did a fork and is planning on cleaning it up and doing more "open" management of it -- which I think is a good thing...
[23:02] <Company> wheel see
[23:02] <Company> ;)
[23:03] <wheels> boo...
[23:05] <BBB> bleh
[23:05] Action: BBB hates all those "hi, I compiled gstreamer and ... from source and now ... doesn't work" bugs in bugzilla
[23:05] Action: BBB agrees with thomasvs
[23:05] <LeRoutier> "<BBB> Company: fixing gst plugins to playback as many formats as mplayer ;)" : seems you loved all my broken AVIs
[23:05] <BBB> I shouldn't support that, I should point those guys to docs and not care
[23:05] <BBB> LeRoutier: I'm working on another bug first
[23:05] <BBB> but I intend to fix some today, yes
[23:05] <LeRoutier> BBB: no prob
[23:06] <BBB> what was the ip/pass/user again?
[23:06] <LeRoutier> w8
[23:06] <jdahlin> BBB, gentoo users suck
[23:06] <LeRoutier> jdahlin, bad boy, i'm one
[23:06] <markey> they don't suck, they're too busy compiling
[23:07] <jdahlin> LeRoutier: at least those who reports packaging bugs upstream
[23:07] <teuf> jdahlin: don't say that, they are making sure I don't get bored by filing duplicate bugs against rhythmbox because they are using a broken ebuild :)
[23:07] <wheels> jdahlin: BBB: have you seen this?  http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890
[23:07] <BBB> jdahlin: yes, I keep closing their useless bugs
[23:07] <BBB> "help, it doesn't work and it's your fault"
[23:07] <BBB> then use RPMs!
[23:08] <BBB> "Rpms suck! debian sucks! linux rules! gentoo is da_zoluzion!"
[23:08] Action: BBB bangs head against wall
[23:08] <teuf> I also like bug reports like "rhythmbox crash blah blah blah. Oh, btw, a backtrace won't be really useful since I compiled my system with heavy optimizations"
[23:08] <LeRoutier> wheels, that's why there's a big disclamer when emerging gaim and other tools about not complaining upstream
[23:08] <mathrick> BBB: whose head is it? ;)
[23:08] <Misirlou> "wanna play ut2006 w/ me ?""
[23:09] <jdahlin> teuf: *INVALID*
[23:09] Action: jdahlin <3 invalid
[23:10] <teuf> jdahlin: I hide them with NEEDINFO for now with a "recompile everything with -g -ggdb and no other flags and come back after that"
[23:10] <BBB> mathrick: heh :D
[23:11] <BBB> we should ask foser to do that, too
[23:11] <jdahlin> teuf: and then the problem suddenly disappear....
[23:11] <Misirlou> wheels: That is GREAT!
[23:11] <wheels> teuf: My favorite was teh couple of weeks where I kept getting bug reports because some stuff wouldn't build it you were using a CVS snapshot of GCC combined with like -O3, -g0 --fomit-frame-pointer and --finline-loops-all  :-)
[23:12] <wheels> teuf: Only on gentoo would you have that combo -- regularly!
[23:12] <Misirlou> -O69 lol i am gentoo user making sex joke
[23:12] <jdahlin> -finline-loops-all is useless
[23:13] <mathrick> what does it do?
[23:13] <wheels> Misirlou: Well, the other canonical Gentoo link is: http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=60681&cid=5744137
[23:13] <markey> Misirlou: lol
[23:13] <jdahlin> it inlines all loops? :)
[23:14] <markey> I love the translate-o-matic
[23:14] <teuf> rhythmbox used to refuse to run if you launched it with gentoo "Hello gentoo users. We know rhythmbox won't work on your system, too bad for you."
[23:15] <wheels> markey: You're on SuSE too, right?
[23:15] <markey> wheels: I hate to admit, it, though
[23:15] <markey> wheels: at heart I'm a debian user
[23:15] <wheels> heh
[23:16] <BBB> wheels: rofl!
[23:19] Action: mathrick tries hard to not close any app that's already running until his gnome is unbroken :)
[23:21] Nick change: arana -> spyder482
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[23:48] <LeRoutier> bbl, rebooting to 2.6.5
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[23:50] <mathrick> hmm, Evo 1.5.5 isn't exactly usable yet
[23:50] Action: mathrick ponders filing few bugs for it
[23:53] Action: dtm ponders notifying all users that they must cease usage
[23:54] <mathrick> dtm: usage of what?
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[23:56] <dtm> mathrick: of the unusable software!  usage of unusable software is quite a hazard!
[23:56] <mathrick> dtm: I know that
[23:56] <mathrick> I've never said "Oh, Evo 1.5 sucks, it's so lame, how do they dare call it a mailer", now did I? ;)
[23:57] <mathrick> I installed it precisely for that reason - trying it out
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[23:59] <dtm> mathrick: yeah that would pretty much fall under the definition of "unusable" if i didn't know that word was only used in an abusive, stereotypical, hyperbolized context by geeks!  :)
[23:59] <dtm> i dont think i've ever seen it used in any other fashion in my entire life
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[00:00] <mathrick> well, Evo 1.5 _is_ unusable, and so I'm going to file a bug. But I expected nothing else from unstable release :)
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[00:01] <dtm> that was a funny gentoo bug url there
[00:01] <dtm> i really really wanna find the stereotypical gentoo user guide
[00:01] <dtm> i lost it!  can't find it via google
[00:02] <mathrick> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 ?
[00:02] <dtm> i support #mplayer and various other channels so i endure them quite a bit
[00:02] <mathrick> or http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=60681&cid=5744137 maybe?
[00:02] <dtm> yeah that was the funny one
[00:03] <dtm> THAT'S IT
[00:03] <dtm> thank you mathrick 
[00:03] <mathrick> dtm: np
[00:04] <dtm> mathrick: you have enlightened and enriched my personal liberties
[00:04] <mathrick> and I agree, this was one of the funniest bugreports I've ever seen :)
[00:04] <dtm> and i see that url was included in that bug report but i disregarded it because it was from books.slashdot.org which i didn't think looked right
[00:04] <mathrick> dtm: really? I'm flattered ;)
[00:06] Action: mathrick wonders which channel would be the best to talk a bit about new Evo before filing bugs
[00:06] <dtm> mathrick: something on irc.gnome.org probably huh
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[00:06] <LeRoutier> re
[00:06] <BBB> dtm: so what was the mjpegtools question?
[00:09] Nick change: spyder482 -> spyder_away
[00:10] <BBB> ah, the beauty of compiling software...
[00:10] <BBB> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139045
[00:10] <BBB> </rant>
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[00:15] <dtm> BBB: oh hi there.  well i seem to have gotten past it.  i was transcoding to VCD (mp2 audio and mpeg1 video) and they were out of sync when mplex joined them.  now they seem to be magically fine.  and i dont know how.
[00:15] <dtm> way out of sync
[00:15] <dtm> BBB: now i'm finishing up here, coz everything's in sync and in aspect but mencoder isn't expanding (adding black horizontal bars)
[00:16] <dtm> and i dont know why, because the proper variables and options are in place.
[00:16] <dtm> the bars are the last step
[00:16] <dtm> BBB: i'm doing this with a half custom made KVCD/VCD hybrid script
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[00:16] <dtm> it's actually a normal VCD with vbr and the kvcd quantization matrix
[00:17] <dtm> and it plays on this crappy DVD appliance which stutters on all SVCDs and on some DVDs as if it has a low transfer rate somehow.
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[00:18] <mathrick> lo iain
[00:18] <iain> hi
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[00:18] <iain> I just saw "The Passion..."
[00:19] <iain> had so many random moments in it
[00:19] <dtm> iain: i'm about to see it in < 1hr
[00:19] Action: bitshifter just saw the south park episode where they make fun of The Passion
[00:19] <dtm> :\
[00:20] <BBB> dtm: oh, well, that might be a mplayer bug
[00:23] Action: Company claims KDE is slow
[00:23] <Company> even the configure check for it takes ages
[00:23] <dtm> BBB: yeah i haven't checked.  that's a good idea.  i've never seen a mencoder bug before.
[00:23] <dtm> this is 1.0pre3
[00:24] <Company> and stop talking bad about gentoo users in general
[00:24] <dtm> BBB: sorry, i'm so close on something i've been working on for months, so I was just kinda rambling and thinking out loud
[00:24] <dtm> :]
[00:30] <BBB> :)
[00:30] <BBB> Company: I like trolling once in a while
[00:30] <BBB> keeps me awake
[00:33] <BBB> damn
[00:33] <BBB> my installation must be totally screwed
[00:33] <BBB> ../gstreamer/tools/gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/media/clips/lego_troopers_divx.avi ! avidemux name=d .audio_00 ! { queue ! audioconvert ! esdsink } d.video_00 ! { queue ! ffdec_msmpeg4 ! ffcolorspace ! ximagesink } --gst-scheduler=basicgthread 2>&1 | head -n10
[00:33] <BBB> RUNNING pipeline ...
[00:33] <BBB>  
[00:33] <BBB> ** (process:18320): WARNING **: trying to switch to the same cothread, not allowed [loads of times]
[00:33] <BBB> ../gstreamer/tools/gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/media/clips/lego_troopers_divx.avi ! avidemux name=d .audio_00 ! { queue ! audioconvert ! esdsink } d.video_00 ! { queue ! ffdec_msmpeg4 ! ffcolorspace ! ximagesink } --gst-scheduler=basicgthread --gst-fatal-warnings
[00:33] <BBB> RUNNING pipeline ...
[00:33] <BBB>  
[00:33] <BBB> GStreamer-WARNING **: internal error: push on pad queue1:sink but it has no chainhandler
[00:33] <BBB> ?
[00:33] <BBB> how can a *crash option* change the error messages I'm getting?
[00:33] <BBB> and in gdb it crashes differently again
[00:34] <jdahlin> easy
[00:34] <jdahlin> --gst-fatal-warnings implies a (slightly) different code path
[00:37] <BBB> so
[00:37] <BBB> ?
[00:38] <jdahlin> nothing :)
[00:38] <jdahlin> I'm just answering why it can, not why it crashed
[00:38] <jdahlin> but it is weird
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[00:41] <BBB> recent commits probably broke it
[00:41] <BBB> *sigh*
[00:41] <BBB> I like the scheduler development, but I don't like the breakage
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[00:41] <jpetersen> GstAlsaMixer doesn't report volume changes
[00:42] <BBB> indeed it doesn't
[00:42] <BBB> that's unimplemented so far
[00:42] <jdahlin> BBB, I wished it could be done on a different branch
[00:42] <JStrike> Ok, more of an rpm question than a gstreamer question per se : I have a FC2test2 system, but Nyquists gstreamer-videosink requires XFree86, which has been replaced by xorg in fc2. Can I just --rebuild the package and will it autodetect not to use XFree86. Or can I just safely install it with --nodeps?
[00:43] <BBB> I guess it'll require it again, since it's a package name
[00:43] <BBB> try --nodeps for now and ask on the mailinglist (thomas will anser tomorrow)
[00:44] <JStrike> thanks
[00:44] <BBB> tell him I said it was ok to use --nodeps for this specific purpose (normally, it isn't) and that I told you to ask him for further advice
[00:44] <BBB> else, he'll freak out ;)
[00:45] <BBB> jdahlin: can you reproduce those crashes with current CVS?
[00:45] <JStrike> :-)
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[00:46] <Company> ok, now someone give me a correct regexp that mathces "GStreamner for KDE" as well as "GStreamer for GNOME" but nothing else?
[00:47] <jdahlin> BBB, too late today, I can give it a shot tomorrow
[00:47] <LeRoutier> m/^GStreamer for (KDE|GNOME)$/
[00:48] <iain> m/^GStream(ner|er) for (KDE|GNOME)$/
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[00:49] <jpetersen> iain: that would match "GStreamner for GNOME" ;)
[00:49] <Company> iain: doesn'T that match "GStreamer for KDE", too?
[00:49] <iain> hmmm
[00:49] <iain> drat, you got me
[00:49] <Company> ok, it's normal braces in that case
[00:49] Action: Company shoots regexps
[00:49] <bitshifter> not with an 'i' after the last slash (don't people spell it 'Gnome' as well sometimes?)?
[00:50] <jdahlin> (GStreamner for KDE|GStreamer for GNOME) ?
[00:50] <Misirlou> m/^GStream(ner for KDE|er for GNOME)$/
[00:50] <Misirlou> you guys are SLOW
[00:50] <Company> i wanted LeRoutier's solution
[00:50] <LeRoutier> re-rebooting under 2.6.5 with something displayed in the FB if i'm lucky this time
[00:51] <LeRoutier> brb
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[00:51] <Misirlou> Company: Er, but mine and jdahlin's are the only ones that work.
[00:51] <Company> Misirlou: i didn't want the spelling error ;)
[00:51] Action: jdahlin curses germans
[00:51] <Misirlou> ohhhhhhhhh
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[00:54] <iain> GStreamer-ERROR **: file gstthread.c: line 207 (gst_thread_init): assertion failed: (scheduler)
[00:55] <iain> is entry busted again?
[00:55] <BBB> all schedulers are busted right now
[00:55] <BBB> some people are working a bit too much cutting-edge for my sense
[00:55] <Company> run gst-register
[00:55] <iain> I did
[00:55] <Company> or touch the registry
[00:56] <Company> and no, entry works here
[00:56] <iain> still doesn't work here, after another gst-register
[00:56] <iain> oh
[00:56] <iain> --gst-scheduler=entry is wrong
[00:56] <iain> damn
[00:57] <iain> we should have a warning about "Unknown scheduler"
[00:57] <iain> entrygthread(16919) entryscheduler.c(668):schedule_next_element:<GstEntryGThreadScheduler@0x82a1780> have stuff that must be scheduled, but nothing that can be scheduled
[00:57] <iain> this worked until your changes you made recently
[00:58] <iain> (and this is with the extra thread and queue elements)
[00:59] <Company> hrm
[00:59] <Company> i need at least the gst_scheduler_show output
[00:59] <BBB> Company: does gst-launch video-file work for you using basicgthread?
[00:59] <BBB> it doesn't work here
[00:59] <BBB> opt sort of works but barfs out after capsnego
[00:59] Action: BBB rebuilds plugins
[01:00] Action: BBB fears development
[01:00] <Company> needing to rebuild anything is a bug
[01:00] <Company> BBB: don't you miss mad there?
[01:00] <Company> BBB: or is that raw audio?
[01:06] <BBB> http://www.nearwildheaven.com/GNOME/ - sweet
[01:06] <BBB> it's raw audio
[01:07] <BBB> Company: and I know it's a bug if it works after a rebuild, but it's my best bet right no
[01:16] <Company> I HATE INDENTING
[01:17] <BBB> because...?
[01:20] <Company> it breaks prepareChangeLog
[01:20] <Company> and cvs diff
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[01:25] <LeRoutier> re
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[01:25] Action: Company would now start a discussion about porn, but there's too many people logging this channel :o
[01:25] <BBB> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/media/clips/lego_troopers_divx.avi ! avidemux name=d .audio_00 ! { queue ! audioconvert ! esdsink } d.video_00 ! { queue ! ffdec_msmpeg4 ! ffcolorspace ! ximagesink } --gst-scheduler=entrygthread
[01:25] <BBB> RUNNING pipeline ...
[01:25] <BBB> ERROR    entrygthread( 8626) entryscheduler.c(1093):gst_entry_scheduler_iterate:<GstEntryGThreadScheduler@0x806d618> returning error because we contain running elements and we didn't do a thing
[01:25] <BBB> interesting
[01:26] <BBB> basicgthread refuses any action
[01:26] <Company> BBB: i just fixed that
[01:26] <BBB> gst-launch-0.8 filesrc location=/media/clips/lego_troopers_divx.avi ! avidemux name=d .video_00 ! { queue ! divxdec ! ffcolorspace ! ximagesink } --gst-scheduler=basicgthread
[01:27] <BBB> (process:8680): GStreamer-WARNING **: internal error: push on pad queue0:sink but it has no chainhandler
[01:27] <BBB> sigh
[01:27] <BBB> who broke all schedulers?
[01:27] <BBB> at least single-threaded stuff works
[01:27] <Company> i did stuff to basic
[01:28] <Company> but i just tested this with an .so i saved and it has the same issue
[01:29] <BBB> that's not a reason to break it more... *who broke basic* and kill that person, take away CVS access and kick him until he looks blue
[01:29] <BBB> </pissed off>
[01:31] <Company> basic was already broken ;)
[01:32] Action: BBB is away: whatever
[01:33] <Company> yup
[01:33] Action: ds wanders around aimlessly
[01:33] <Company> basic does stuff to pads outside its control
[01:33] <Company> which is nowadays forbidden and breaks it
[01:34] <wheels> BBB: See -- you need to start an internal accounting system for the next meeting. "Beers owed - Company - 7"  :-)
[01:34] <ds> Company: did you fix #139035?
[01:34] <wheels> BBB: Then of course he can bill you, and then his number goes down.
[01:34] Action: wheels wonders again if anybody will be turning up for the LAD meeting...
[01:34] <ds> and 34
[01:34] <Company> ds: yeah, i just didn't get around to committing it to bugzilla
[01:35] <wheels> Company: Who was it that you said is in Mannheim?
[01:35] <Company> the webpage was written though ;)
[01:35] <Company> wheels: Kaiserslautern
[01:35] <Company> wheels: Martin Soto
[01:35] <wheels> Company: Ah, right...
[01:35] <wheels> Oh, and Daniel Fischer is here -- I had forgotten about that...
[01:38] <Company> ds: fixed both
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[02:19] <mathrick> nite
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[02:26] <ds> BBB: should we switch to using video/x-gst-ABCD for unknown fourccs?
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[02:29] <Company> wouldn't that mean that you'll end up with weird fourccs in the end?
[02:30] <ds> yes
[02:30] <BBB> ds: I use x-gst_ff-... for ffmpeg...
[02:30] <ds> it's not ideal, but it would make it more likely that qtdemux and ffmpeg will just pick the same caps
[02:31] <BBB> no chance
[02:31] <BBB> ffmpeg doesn't know fourccs
[02:31] <BBB> so that'll never work
[02:32] <BBB> Company: I don't care at all what basic does - basic works, period
[02:32] <BBB> if it doesn't, it's a bug anywhere else
[02:32] <BBB> so _FIX IT_
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[02:32] <BBB> so if you changed th system to not allow something with pads and control, then fix basic to do that
[02:33] <Company> BBB: ok, basic works then
[02:37] <BBB> it doesn't ;)
[02:37] <BBB> and opt hangs, as always
[02:38] <Company> you said it works, period ;)
[02:38] <BBB> entry still gives the same warning because I cannot run cvs update any second
[02:38] <Company> that wasn't me
[02:38] <BBB> so...
[02:38] <BBB> all schedulers are broken
[02:38] <BBB> that's nice
[02:38] <BBB> please do all further development in your own branch
[02:38] <BBB> dammit
[02:38] <Company> please don't run cvs HEAD if you can't stand breakage
[02:38] <Company> thx
[02:39] <Company> ds: got some time?
[02:39] <BBB> I'm trying to do plugin development!
[02:39] <BBB> and that doesn't really work like this
[02:39] <BBB> we said CVS is stable
[02:39] <BBB> until we branch off 0.8.x
[02:39] <BBB> so _STICK TO THAT_
[02:39] <Company> stable doesn't mean everything always works
[02:39] <Company> and you know that
[02:40] <BBB> again, do development like this in your own branch, please
[02:40] <BBB> if you want this sort of discussion, ask thomasvs to do that
[02:40] <BBB> I don't care
[02:41] <BBB> ** (process:11915): WARNING **: invalid state change 2050 for element thread0
[02:41] <BBB>  
[02:41] <BBB> (process:11915): GStreamer-WARNING **: thread0: state change in callback 2 8
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[02:49] <Company> BBB: i'm not gonna discuss this with you. We all know that commits may break stuff and that we only find out by testing it. If you use cvs HEAD, you'Re the first tester. Obviously you found a bug and now someone needs to fix it. It's like it always worked, so why bother?
[02:51] <BBB> because my email breaks so I can't tell the list that it's broken, nobody but me and the other plugin/app people appears to read bugzilla...
[02:51] <BBB> so nobody will fix it
[02:51] <BBB> and that annoys me
[02:51] <BBB> because given that I didn't update CVS til 2 days ago, it's been broken for 2 days
[02:52] <Company> it's probably been broken for quite some more days
[02:52] <Company> but since you're the only one doing exactly this pipeline with basicgthread...
[02:56] <BBB> it's totem ;)
[02:56] <BBB> although totem (libgstplay) places the threads differently
[02:56] <BBB> ohwell
[02:56] Action: BBB should go back to CVS of last week
[02:56] <Company> i tested gst-player and rb with all schedulers


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