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[03:00] <Company> just for the strings
[03:01] <Company> cute, kdeinit (leftover from running gst-register earlier is idling with !==MB RAM used
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[03:01] <ds-work> !==?
[03:02] smoke ([email protected]) got netsplit.
[03:02] <walters> ds-work: nil
[03:02] <Company> 100
[03:02] <Company> in caps with german keyboard
[03:03] <Company> walters: loading metadata with 1500 songs I end up with <100MB RAMused
[03:03] <Company> which is less than kdeinit ;)
[03:04] <Company> walters: that's down from >500MB yesterday ;)
[03:05] <walters> Company: sounds better :)
[03:06] <taaz> what's it supposed to be?  0MB?
[03:06] <ds-work> what is the RSS size, though?
[03:07] <Company> taaz: madplay takes 9MB ;)
[03:07] <Company> ds-work: 28.5
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[03:08] <Company> though that's current, not after loading
[03:08] <taaz> in theory should it be 0?
[03:08] <Company> taaz: no idea, i'm just squashing memleaks a bit
[03:09] <Company> though a huge part of that size are probably plugins
[03:09] <taaz> i guess you could run it on 1000 then 2000 files to see what the per file leaks are
[03:10] <Company> well, it caches data per file
[03:11] <ds-work> the RSS size is the only part that's interesting
[03:11] <ds-work> everything else is a mmaped file, basically
[03:11] <taaz> 100 seems pretty bad in any case, 66k per file?
[03:11] <Company> so i'm just importing my whole lib (which means it gets pushed through gst), closing and restarting with loaded library
[03:12] <Company> taaz: that was total size
[03:12] <taaz> err... or 19k i guess
[03:12] <walters> taaz: rb builds a number of indicies
[03:12] <walters> taaz: most of that is probably GHashtable
[03:12] <taaz> 19k though?  that's a lot of pointers
[03:12] <Company> 4-5MB is the gstreamer registry
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[03:13] <Company> though that sounds like a lot
[03:14] <taaz> quite honestly, i find rb hard to use ;)
[03:14] Action: BBB has a new working gnomevfs patch
[03:14] <BBB> this one doesn't segfault :X
[03:14] <walters> taaz: how so?
[03:15] <BBB> Company: so you said you wanted the whole erase property gone?
[03:16] <Company> BBB: yeah, it should be nicely doable with a signal
[03:16] <taaz> walters: i still don't know how to just do a simple thing like sort by file name.  which tends to be how i search for tracks among a large collection of poorly tagged files
[03:17] <taaz> walters: lately i've been listening to long dj set files.  the seek bar can't deal with it and either jumps 20 minutes at a time or just crashes the app
[03:17] <Company> after loading the whole lib i'm at 84.5MB RSS
[03:17] <taaz> cplay handles this sort of thing just fine ;)
[03:18] <walters> taaz: well the rb theory is that you don't interact with filenames.
[03:18] <Rounin> Hey... Whenever I set my thread to playing, the app quits and reports "Killed"
[03:18] <Company> and now that i have the 84.5MB here, i want to know where i got that from...
[03:19] <walters> taaz: as for the seek bar - yeah.  hm.  this reminds me of that discussion about fisheye interfaces i saw somewhere.
[03:19] <taaz> i know, which is why i don't complain too much.  i figure it's just an impedance mismatch between rb ui and what i'd like to use.
[03:19] <Rounin> However, it used to be a pipeline that I changed with findreplace
[03:19] <Rounin> What could be the problem?
[03:20] <taaz> walters: that seek widget issue is probably a whole research project on its own.
[03:20] <Rounin> Oh
[03:22] <taaz> walters: i also think there may be better ways to manage resources such as default radio stations.  i still have a load of old ones from a previous release and most are broken or gone or dont work for some reason.  would be nice if rb just merged default stations with user ones.
[03:22] <taaz> walters: or at least have some way to realize the defaults got updated.  maybe i'm just using it wrong...
[03:22] <walters> taaz: there are definitely better ways :)
[03:22] <walters> taaz: no, it's a bug.
[03:22] <walters> taaz: it's a tricky issue though.
[03:25] <Rounin> Blah, never mind
[03:25] <taaz> walters: is it?  my player ideas involve using a database that merges various RDF databases and sorts/filters into a UI.  something that would handle default iradio stations in a similar manner to hotplug sources like a dvd or firewire/usb device
[03:25] Action: BBB 's HD is full :/
[03:26] <Company> taaz: that was said so marketing compatible, you should try to get funding for that sentence alone
[03:27] <walters> hehe
[03:28] <taaz> i think the python support is just about at the point where whipping up an app to experiment with such ideas won't be too painful
[03:31] <taaz> "we must embrace industry standard XML technologies to create a media player engine that integrates with the semantic web"  -- taaz, ceo gsttech, inc
[03:34] Nick change: harshy -> harshyWork
[03:40] <walters> heh
[03:41] <walters> taaz: i can't really see gst playback as the hard part of the problem.
[03:43] <taaz> yeah, but i need some excuse ;)
[03:43] <BBB> bbl
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[03:43] <ds-work> how do other projects handle assembly code when some platforms require a leading _ on symbol names?
[03:44] <taaz> i've got a question about that alignment issue on the ml.  why does gst have to care?  shouldn't the glib macro deal with that when required?
[03:45] <ds-work> no
[03:46] <ds-work> glib does not concern itself with unaligned memory access
[03:48] <taaz> it's just a pain to even think about these issues all the time ;)
[04:04] <taaz> walters: i started to hack around with these ideas a while ago.  got my music metadata imported into a trivial rdf format.
[04:04] <taaz> walters: but then i realized that the python rdf query apis are not quite advanced enough to make such hacking easy
[04:07] <taaz> not sure how good they are now.  i could hack cwm into an app but that seems rather ugly.  the redland author is occasionaly working on a query api which would probably make all my query issues trivial.  so i just decided to shelve the problem for a few months
[04:08] <Rounin> Lol
[04:08] <Rounin> I discovered the downside of making an MP3 player with gstreamer
[04:08] <Rounin> It's CPU usage is 41%, idle or not
[04:09] <Company> yeah, that  was the trick
[04:10] <Company> now you just need to do something that is normally heavily CPU intensive, and it'll to it happily with just 41%
[04:11] <Rounin> Hmm... Let me try and run bzflag
[04:11] <Rounin> Bad lag, haha
[04:17] <Rounin> Hm, some of the pages in the API reference are gone
[04:23] <Rounin> Hm, I guess there's some magic UNIX command that will renice my application from within the proram
[04:24] <bitshifter> Rounin: if your app uses 41% CPU to play back an mp3 and gst-launch-0.8 uses 4% - then your app either does something horribly wrong, or something very very fancy 
[04:25] <Rounin> I see...
[04:25] <Rounin> Yes, there is some logic in that.
[04:27] <Rounin> Ahaah
[04:28] <Rounin> The background image
[04:28] <Rounin> It had to be that
[04:28] <ds-work> Rounin: nice() :)
[04:28] <Rounin> It hacks into some mumbo jumbo screen update routine to draw a bg image, right
[04:28] <Rounin> That was taking 40% of the CPU
[04:29] <Rounin> Yay GTK
[04:29] <Rounin> *Laughs*
[04:29] <Rounin> I was so proud of that BG image, too
[04:31] <Rounin> No wait
[04:31] <Rounin> It's worse than that
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[04:31] <Rounin> It's the code that keeps widgets from going invisible when I redraw the background
[04:31] <Rounin> gtk_widget_queue_clear (myContainer);
[04:32] <Rounin> Better limit that to a few widgets
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[04:49] <Rounin> Hm, so I have the choice between invisible widgets and using 40% CPU
[04:49] <Rounin> Or not using a background image
[04:49] <Rounin> Or modifying it to have an alpha mask *Sigh*...
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[08:53] <aeyakovenko> is there something new about v4lsrc in 0.8?  it doesnt work anymore
[08:55] <aeyakovenko> i get a "device is not in streaming mode"
[09:07] <ds> it seems to work for me
[09:07] <ds> I'm not at the machine right now
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[09:10] <ds> yes, it works for me
[09:10] <ds> at least, as well as it can without any TV signal input
[09:11] <ds> I should probably start hijacking cable TV
[09:30] <aeyakovenko> well a simple v4lscr ! xvimagesink pipeline doesnt work anymore
[09:33] <ds> what about with ffmpegcolorspace in between?
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[09:55] <LeRoutier> hello ppl
[09:55] <LeRoutier> is gst-plugins build broken ?
[09:55] <LeRoutier> arf no, nevermind, my fault
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[09:57] <LeRoutier> "gstreamer-profiles-0.8.pc" : is that a new one ?
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[10:04] <LeRoutier> lut dolphy
[10:05] <dolphy> morning
[10:06] <LeRoutier> this gstreamer-profiles-0.8.pc seems to be something that ronald forgot to commit
[10:06] <LeRoutier> or in a private branch of his own
[10:13] Nick change: harshyWork -> harshy
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[11:13] <LeRoutier> bbl
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[11:45] <thomasvs> yah, Company is plugging lots of leaks
[11:45] <thomasvs> dolphy: is your home machine offline ?
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[11:47] <ensonic> hi hi
[11:48] <ensonic> when using alsasink I get :
[11:48] <ensonic> INFO             alsa(10526) gstalsa.c(1226):gst_alsa_set_hw_params: Preparing format: (none)
[11:48] <ensonic> net1: pcm_plug.c:882: snd_pcm_plug_hw_params: Zusicherung »err >= 0« nicht erfüllt.
[11:48] <thomasvs> ensonic: set alsasink to dev=hw:0
[11:49] <ensonic> thomasvs: okay, but how
[11:50] <ensonic> okay, i've found it - can't this me made default (as I would like my software to work with any audiosink)
[11:50] <ensonic> me=be
[11:51] <dolphy> thomasvs: no i m on it
[11:52] Action: ensonic reads how to write an asoundrc file :-(
[11:58] <thomasvs> jdahlin: why's dolphy's buildbot not working ?
[11:59] <jdahlin> thomasvs: it must have been disconnected at one point, let me check
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[12:01] <jdahlin> dolphy: can you send me your twistd.log?
[12:03] <jdahlin> dolphy: try mail
[12:03] <dolphy> ok
[12:03] <jdahlin> dcc does not seem to work (when both of us are behind nat)
[12:05] <dolphy> mail is on the way
[12:05] <dolphy> got to go
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[12:25] <jdahlin> Rhythmbox grew from 64M to 112M while importing 9.1G music
[12:27] <jdahlin> restarting it, it shows 87M, so about 25M leaked
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[13:06] <Toastie> Who here can point me at a 0.8 debian repository?
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[13:33] <tvon> I rolled my own gstreamer-plugins rpm, and I"m having an issue with it where video always appears in its own window
[13:34] <tvon> meaning, if I try to play something with gst-player or totem, I'll have the normal totem/gst-player window with no video in it, and another tiny window will appear with just the video
[13:34] <tvon> Ever heard of this?
[13:36] <jdahlin> No, sounds a bit strange
[13:38] <tvon> hrm
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[13:39] <teuf> hi
[13:39] <teuf> are .wma files supposed to be properly handled by gstreamer 0.8 ?
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[14:42] <LeRoutier> re
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[15:25] <LeRoutier> bbl
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[16:28] <ensonic> can anyone quickly tell we what to put into $HOME/.asoundrc to make hw:0 default
[16:29] <markey> why does GST ignore PKG_CONFIG_PATH?
[16:30] <markey> seems to always put stuff into /usr/local/lib/pkconfig
[16:30] <ensonic> markey: what makes you feel that it does
[16:30] <markey> no matter what you set
[16:30] <ensonic> markey: PKG_CONFIG_PATH is a search path,
[16:30] <markey> hey I still don't see why GST puts stuff into /usr/local
[16:30] <ensonic> markey: the gst.pc files are installed unser $prefix/lib/pkgconfig
[16:31] <markey> uh..
[16:32] <markey> (gnomeware...)
[16:33] <sublett> ensonic: pcm.!default { type hw card 0 }
[16:33] <ensonic> sublett: thx, still I get  gstalsa.c(1226):gst_alsa_set_hw_params: Preparing format: (none)
[16:35] <ensonic> is alsasink using 'default' in a hardcoded fashion, so that it can't be set to hw:0,0 via .asoundrc?
[16:36] <KoRnouille> hummf
[16:36] <KoRnouille> problem compiling gstreamer
[16:36] <KoRnouille> something about libtool again
[16:36] <KoRnouille> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Mx950132.html
[16:41] <KoRnouille> any idea ?
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[16:50] <mathrick_> yo
[16:51] Action: mathrick_ is on a crappy emergency box, trying to get 40GB HD running on it with no success, due to power adaptor burned in his primary box :\
[16:52] Nick change: mathrick_ -> mathrick
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[17:18] <iain> yey, I had a wonderful day
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[17:22] <LeRoutier> re
[17:22] <KoRnouille> re LeRoutier
[17:22] <LeRoutier> anyone already tried the new X11 ?
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[17:42] <teuf> haha, I need to kick company
[17:47] <LeRoutier> for his blog post ?
[17:47] <teuf> yeah
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[18:41] <ploum>  http://kotastro.homelinux.net:20680/~ploum/gnome26/nautilus.html
[18:41] <ploum> est en cours de rédaction.  
[18:41] <ploum> Merci d'avance po http://kotastro.homelinux.net:20680/~ploum/gnome26/nautilus.html
[18:41] <ploum> est en cours de rédaction.  
[18:41] <ploum> Merci d'avance pour la relecture et les commentaires 
[18:41] <ploum> (c'est lent, c'est hébergé sur mon ordi perso)ur la relecture et les commentaires 
[18:41] <ploum> (c'est lent, c'est hébergé sur mon ordi perso)
[18:41] <ploum> pardon !
[18:41] <teuf> ploum: wrong channel :)
[18:41] <ploum>  http://kotastro.homelinux.net:20680/~ploum/gnome26/nautilus.html
[18:41] <ploum> est en cours de rédaction.  
[18:41] <ploum> Merci d'avance pour la relecture et les commentaires 
[18:41] <ploum> (c'est lent, c'est hébergé sur mon ordi perso)
[18:41] <ploum> voilà, c'est plus clair
[18:41] <ploum> teuf, argh ! and also bad copy/paste
[18:41] <LeRoutier> ploum, tu sais lire
[18:41] <LeRoutier> ?
[18:42] <ploum> LeRoutier, ben mon xchat foire et je vois plus ce que j'écrit ! je comprend pas
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[18:43] <LeRoutier> ploum, update vers le 2.0.8, ça pourrait aider
[18:46] <iain> http://discomachinegun.prettypeople.org/~iain/ollie.jpg
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[19:06] <markey> lol french attack
[19:06] <markey> ploum: please say that again
[19:06] <markey> the klingon part
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[19:08] <Misirlou> iain: That ollie looks like he's giving you the finger.
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[19:18] <LeRoutier> bbl
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[19:19] <ensonic> thomasvs: account works - many thanks
[19:22] <thomasvs> ensonic: you're welcome
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[19:36] <iain> Misirlou: he does rather
[19:36] <iain> and I thought he was my friend
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[19:54] <ensonic> I try to use GST_DEBUG in an own (gst) application, is it enough to use GST_DEBUG_CATEGORY_STATIC and GST_DEBUG_CATEGORY_INIT
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[19:56] <ensonic> none of the apps (gst-inspect,lauch,...) seems to use the debug-log stuff ...
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[20:01] <ensonic> ensonic: okay, I've found it
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[20:36] Action: ds-work hums
[20:37] <abo> While playing a divx:
[20:37] <abo> [mpeg4 @ 0x413cb648]looks like this file was encoded with (divx4/(old)xvid/opendivx) -> forcing low_delay flag
[20:37] <abo> [mpeg4 @ 0x413cb648]low_delay flag set, but shouldnt, clearing it
[20:37] <abo> Looks odd. :)
[20:38] <abo> It plays the file though.
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[21:03] <ensonic> ciao & cu
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[21:37] <BBB> ola
[21:37] <jdahlin> hola
[21:37] <ds-work> ¡
[21:38] <jdahlin> como estas?
[21:38] <BBB> bueno, gracias
[21:39] Action: BBB was sick yesterday
[21:39] <BBB> still am, actually
[21:39] <BBB> but I'm at work nevertheless and planning to do more work tonight
[21:39] <BBB> :o
[21:39] <BBB> anything new yet at fluendo?
[21:39] <BBB> did you guys finish gst-rec yet? :-p
[21:40] <jdahlin> not a lot
[21:40] <jdahlin> no, not really :-)
[21:40] <wheels> Ah, jdahlin estas trabajando en fluendo tambien?  :-)
[21:40] <jdahlin> worksforme!
[21:40] Action: BBB expects fluendo to be working on the video server right now
[21:40] <jdahlin> wheels: si
[21:40] <wheels> jdahlin: de donde eres?
[21:40] <wheels> (sorry, English keyboard)
[21:40] <BBB> jdahlin: works for me too, but still not releasable
[21:40] <jdahlin> wheels: barcelona?
[21:40] <BBB> gst-rec's usability sucks
[21:40] <jdahlin> true, but I couldn't really change the UI when I hacked last time
[21:40] Action: BBB is working slowly on the long TODO list
[21:41] <jdahlin> since it was in a code freeze ...
[21:41] <BBB> ?
[21:41] <BBB> gst-rec is not in gnome-media :)
[21:41] <BBB> that's gsr
[21:41] <jdahlin> oh, sorry
[21:41] <jdahlin> I always confuse them
[21:41] <jdahlin> haven't touched gst-recorder
[21:41] <wheels> jdahlin: Ok, well, that inadvertantly answered that one I think.  That was "where are you from" -- not "where are you".  :-)
[21:41] <jdahlin> wheels: oh, I wasn't sure. so I guessed
[21:41] <jdahlin> wheels: Sweden (or Suecia) would be the answer to the other question :-)
[21:42] <wheels> jdahlin: Yeah, the name didn't exactly sound Spanish.  :-)
[21:42] <jdahlin> wheels: Johan is not too far from Joan which is a catalan name
[21:43] <wheels> jdahlin: But I guess yours is pronounced "yo-han" as opposed to "ho-an"?
[21:43] <jdahlin> wheels: nope, ho-an is closer
[21:43] <wheels> ah
[21:44] <eliman> gst 0.8 is stable, right?
[21:44] <jdahlin> or in the middle I guess, depending if you mean spanish or english
[21:44] Action: jdahlin assumes it's a mess trying to explain how his name is pronounced in different languages
[21:44] <eliman> what of gstreamer-mad and gstreamer-vorbis? are those part of gstreamer-plugins or what?
[21:44] <BBB> they are
[21:45] <wheels> jdahlin: Well, I was using phonetic English...
[21:45] <eliman> BBB: so the best by-RPM upgrade strategy would be to remove all my gstreamer stuff, and install the new gstreamer stuff?
[21:45] <eliman> BBB: to avoid rpm dependency complaints>?
[21:45] Action: wheels sadly doesn't grok any of the Scandanavian languages...
[21:45] <BBB> eliman: ? 0.6 and 0.8 are parallel installable
[21:46] <wheels> (Though I considered living in Norway at one point...)
[21:46] <eliman> BBB: oh, are they? Ok
[21:47] <BBB> brb
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[21:48] <wheels> jdahlin: I didn't meet you at FOSDEM did I?  (I think I remember there being Thomas, Wim and "the new guy at Fluendo".)
[21:48] <jdahlin> wheels: oh, right you did
[21:48] Action: jdahlin remembers now
[21:50] <wheels> jdahlin: Ah, heh -- ok.  :-)
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[21:50] <jdahlin> the blond long haired kde hacker
[21:50] <wheels> jdahlin: Sorry that you've been releagated to such a title.  :-)
[21:50] <wheels> jdahlin: yep
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[22:12] <sri> howdy folks
[22:13] Action: ds-work begins to realize that we need to treat plugins exporting symbols and plugins not exporting symbols differently
[22:13] <BBB> how so?
[22:13] <BBB> howdy sri
[22:13] <sri> hey!
[22:14] Action: mathrick waves from deeps of his emergency box, this time with >32GB disk properly attached, but still with only 64MB RAM onboard :\
[22:14] Action: BBB headache
[22:14] <ds-work> for various reasons, we would like to load plugins with RTLD_LOCAL
[22:14] <ds-work> but of course, if we depend on a plugins symbols, we can't
[22:15] <mathrick> yo sri
[22:15] <jdahlin> I'd like to be able to load them without RTLD_GLOBAL
[22:15] <jdahlin> but that means that all plugins needs to be linked against gstreamer
[22:15] <ds-work> no, that's a completely orthogonal problem
[22:20] <mxpxpod> does gstreamer do midi?
[22:22] <ds-work> it could, but nobody has written support, despite several false starts
[22:22] <mxpxpod> ok
[22:23] <sri> mathrick: hey :)
[22:28] <mathrick> geez, on 64MB everything is sloooooow
[22:28] <mathrick> but still, speed nautilus gaina from being spatial is really impressive
[22:28] <mathrick> s/gaina/gains/
[22:32] <BBB> I'm not sure if those two (spatial vs. speed increase) are that much related
[22:32] <BBB> ;0
[22:33] <BBB> ds-work: I have midi sequencer files/plugins on my HD
[22:33] <BBB> it got sent to the ml some time ago (=many months)
[22:33] <ds-work> why wasn't it sandboxed?
[22:34] <BBB> how should I know?
[22:34] <mathrick> BBB: they are, I've tested it :)
[22:35] <BBB> :)
[22:35] <mathrick> BBB: I tried with always_browse set in gconf, it was noticeably slower
[22:35] <mxpxpod> arg, how can I play midi files in linux?
[22:35] <BBB> mxpxpod: write a plugin <obvious> :-p
[22:35] <mxpxpod> no no
[22:35] <BBB> \/me goes home
[22:35] <mxpxpod> not just with gstreamer
[22:36] <teuf> mxpxpod: timidity does that I think
[22:36] <BBB> http://www.midi-howto.com/
[22:36] <BBB> timidity, etc.
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[22:47] Action: ds-work wonders if changind plugin loading semantics would be considered an ABI change
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[23:19] <teuf> thomasvs: I think I have patched rhythmbox so that it can handle your nfs mountpoint which is not always available ;)
[23:20] Action: ds-work notes that stat(2) gives the mount device, which may be useful
[23:20] <Phython> teuf: have you posted that somewhere?
[23:21] <teuf> ds-work: gnome-vfs tells me all I need about mounted volumes ;)
[23:21] <teuf> Phython: it's in my arch repository, but I haven't mirrored my latest changes
[23:22] <teuf> the arch repo is at http://cfergeau.free.fr/arch/
[23:22] <teuf> the branch is [email protected]/rhythmbox--removable--0.7
[23:22] <Phython> teuf: thanks, I'll try to look at it
[23:24] <teuf> Phython: ok, actually it has a problem I won't fixed now, it shows song on non available volumes when you display all/all
[23:24] <teuf> but at least, it will keep non existing entries in the saved xml file if they were on a mount point which is not currently mounted
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[23:41] <Zeenix> hi
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[23:45] <jdahlin> thomasvs?
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[23:54] <Zeenix> any docbook expert/user around?
[23:55] <ds-work> somewhat
[23:56] <Zeenix> ds-work: what command-line you use to generate html from your sgml file?
[23:56] <ds-work> docbook2html
[23:56] <Zeenix> oh
[23:57] <Zeenix> why they all (howtos/docs) talk about jade ONLY?
[23:57] <ds-work> that uses jade, iirc
[23:58] <Zeenix> cool, that was easy
[00:00] --- Thu Apr  8 2004
[00:00] <Zeenix> ds-work: thanks
[00:05] <mathrick> you can also use xsltproc
[00:07] <thomasvs> jdahlin: yeah ?
[00:08] <Zeenix> mathrick: thanks, i'll try that as well
[00:08] <thomasvs> teuf: rockingness !
[00:09] <mathrick> Zeenix: there are some params described in manpage to perform html conversion, but remember to add -nonet option, otherwise it will try (and fail) to contact oasis.org
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[00:19] <jdahlin> thomasvs: you broke the yd3 build
[00:19] <thomasvs> jdahlin: I know
[00:19] <thomasvs> jdahlin: I'll check it tomorrow morning
[00:20] <jdahlin> thomasvs: ok-dok
[00:20] <thomasvs> it's some flex thingy
[00:20] <jdahlin> sure?
[00:20] <jdahlin> didn't look like that too me
[00:20] <jdahlin> but what do I know
[00:21] Action: sxpert builds new gstreamer. apparently, huge leaks were plugged recently :DDD
[00:22] <ds-work> thomasvs: did you add the -export-symbols-regex thingy?
[00:26] <thomasvs> jdahlin: it is, someone added the generated parser code to the docs, and ydl is failing on that
[00:26] <thomasvs> ds-work: what where how ?
[00:28] <ds-work> in gst-plugins/configure.ac
[00:28] <ds-work> anyway, it doesn't work
[00:28] <ds-work> probably a libtool bug
[00:29] <thomasvs> I just do what the voices tell me, I've no idea what you were asking me
[00:29] <ds-work> er, nm then
[00:29] <jdahlin> When measuring how much memory an application uses, what should be looked at?
[00:29] <jdahlin> VmData, VmSize or VmRSS?
[00:29] <ds-work> RSS, mainly
[00:30] <ds-work> that's the amount of dirty memory it uses
[00:30] <jdahlin> Ok
[00:30] <ds-work> everything else is backed by a file
[00:30] <jdahlin> VmData in rhythmbox is 68052, in jamboree 3908
[00:30] <jdahlin> with the same songs showed
[00:30] <mathrick> vmdata is size of .data section in binary, no?
[00:31] <ds-work> no
[00:31] <jdahlin> I mean, rhythmbox provides a little bit more features
[00:32] <ds-work> rb loads in libgnome
[00:32] <jdahlin> but why is it 17 times larger?
[00:32] <jdahlin> so does jamboree
[00:32] <jdahlin> jamboree actually loads more libs
[00:32] <jdahlin> gdmb, id3tag, ogg and vorbis[file]
[00:32] <jdahlin> gdbm
[00:33] <mathrick> ds-work: so what does vmdata mean?
[00:33] <jdahlin> oh, I found out what it is
[00:34] <jdahlin> When I play something in jamboree, it goes up to 98976
[00:34] <walters> ok ok.  i admit it.  i am really employed by a secret asian memory manufacturing cartel
[00:34] <jdahlin> I guess that's when gstreamer starts up
[00:34] <walters> this whole rhythmbox thing is just a front
[00:34] <jdahlin> hello walters :)
[00:35] <walters> hey :)
[00:35] <mathrick> walters: see? and you were casually speaking about mem usage just a minute ago! ;)
[00:35] <walters> mathrick: all coincidence of course
[00:35] <mathrick> walters: yeah, right :P
[00:35] <jdahlin> rb goes up to 72M when playing
[00:35] <jdahlin> I wonder why jamboree takes up 26 extra
[00:35] <jdahlin> walters: do you use spider?
[00:35] <walters> jdahlin: yeah
[00:35] <walters> jdahlin: are you using GMemChunk?
[00:36] <jdahlin> walters: I don't think so
[00:36] <walters> jdahlin: wait, this only happens on playback?
[00:36] <jdahlin> walters: on playback, VmData goes from 4M to 98M in jamboree (compared to 68->72 for rb)
[00:37] <walters> woah
[00:37] <walters> what is VmData?
[00:37] <jdahlin> not sure
[00:37] <jdahlin> but it shows interesting numbers :)
[00:37] Action: mathrick wonders why there's no Start here in his Nautilus
[00:37] <ds-work> ok, keep in mind a number of factors here
[00:38] <jdahlin> walters: I imported 9G music to rb today, it grew to ~125M
[00:38] <ds-work> gstreamer allocates 8 MB per thread.  This is *not* dirty memory
[00:38] <jdahlin> so I guess the memleaks in gst are sort of fixed
[00:38] <walters> jdahlin: this looks helpful: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/footprint/footprint-guide.html
[00:38] <ds-work> also, gstreamer mmaps files, which also contribute to VmData
[00:39] <thomasvs> yeah, the whole file is mmap'd
[00:39] <thomasvs> jdahlin: maybe you're playing a really big song ?
[00:39] <jdahlin> walters: looks good, thanks
[00:39] <thomasvs> walters: how can I backup my db so I can try importing my big nfs share in rb ?
[00:39] <walters> thomasvs: just cp rhythmdb.xml
[00:39] <thomasvs> walters: (and after that go back to my regular one)
[00:39] <thomasvs> ok, will try
[00:39] <walters> jdahlin: what was jamboree on the same set?
[00:40] <jdahlin> walters: haven't tried
[00:40] <jdahlin> walters: but we're not using gstreamer to fetch metadata
[00:40] <thomasvs> walters: also library-2.1.xml ?
[00:41] <walters> thomasvs: nope that's obsolete
[00:41] <thomasvs> walters: I'm using obsolete rb, 0.6.5
[00:42] <walters> thomasvs: by obsolete i mean 0.5.x :)
[00:43] Action: jdahlin wishes he studied memory management
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[00:47] <jdahlin> walters: jamboree goes up to 16M for VmData
[00:48] <jdahlin> after importing
[00:48] <walters> wow, that's a pretty big difference.
[00:48] <walters> jdahlin: which version of rb btw?
[00:48] <jdahlin> walters: latest cvs
[00:48] <jdahlin> or cvs from today
[00:48] <walters> jdahlin: could you also try --with-player=xine?
[00:49] <jdahlin> walters: nah, I'd rather not installing xine and friends
[00:49] <walters> ok
[00:49] <jdahlin> but, counting with gstreamer libs loaded, jamboree is around 100M
[00:50] <jdahlin> after full import
[00:50] <walters> ah, ok.
[00:51] <jdahlin> but I guess RSS is what I should look at
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[00:56] <mathrick> I wonder why some OSes insist so much on keeping local time in RTC, and playing with it on every opportunity. Makes any >1 OS installed environment PITA to manage
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[00:59] <jdahlin> walters: 12544 (no songs) 38952 (everything imported) 16048 (normal, everything imported)
[01:01] <walters> jdahlin: wait, is this rb or jamboree?  and is the middle number post-import before restart?
[01:02] <jdahlin> for jamboree: 11516 (no songs) 15108 (everything imported) 12668 (normal, everything imported)
[01:02] <jdahlin> walters: for rb and middle is before restart
[01:02] <walters> ok
[01:02] <walters> wow, then that definitely implies memleaks somewhere i think
[01:03] Action: jdahlin nods
[01:03] <jdahlin> dunno if it's in gstreamer or rb though
[01:04] <jdahlin> 1865 files, 9.1G
[01:05] <jdahlin> walters: not to mention that the rb import takes 5-10 times longer...
[01:06] <walters> yeah.
[01:06] <jdahlin> so, I'm not sure if using gstreamer for metadata is such a good idea
[01:06] <walters> gst'll get there though
[01:06] <jdahlin> since you have to play the stream and do lots of stuff
[01:07] <jdahlin> perhaps the pipeline can be reused
[01:07] <walters> we have spider in there though
[01:07] <jdahlin> hmm, you could cache pipelines for each mime-type
[01:07] <walters> that might work
[01:08] <walters> personally i want to push all this stuff down to a gst-level lib
[01:08] <jdahlin> thomas and I talked about about that a couple of weeks ago
[01:08] <jdahlin> for nautilus
[01:08] <walters> yeah.  jamboree could use it too.
[01:08] <walters> muine too
[01:09] Action: jdahlin nods
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[01:13] <aeyakovenko> hello
[01:14] <aeyakovenko> 0.8 broke my v4l stuff
[01:14] <aeyakovenko> i cant build a pipeline of v4lsrc ! xvimagesink
[01:16] <aeyakovenko> i get an error "Devince is not in streaming mode", what does that mean?
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[01:20] <ds-work> aeyakovenko: dunno, ask BBB or file a bug.  I don't get that
[01:24] <aeyakovenko> what time is BBB usually around?
[01:24] <Zeenix> ds-work: which is the recommended src lang to write docs in: xml or sgml?
[01:25] <ds-work> Zeenix: xml
[01:25] <ds-work> Zeenix: or rather, whatever the rest of the project is using
[01:26] <Zeenix> ds-work: and gst uses xml?
[01:27] <ds-work> depends
[01:27] <Zeenix> ds-work: on?
[01:28] <ds-work> what the existing documentation around what you're adding to uses
[01:29] <Zeenix> ds-work: well, i am writing a doc. from scratch
[01:29] <ds-work> are you planning to write the build system?
[01:31] <Zeenix> ds-work: no 
[01:32] <ds-work> then you should probably use what the current build system uses
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[01:48] <aeyakovenko> i am retarted, i forgot to install the xvideo plugin
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[02:02] <aeyakovenko> :q
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[02:03] <ds-work> I now have three local gstreamer trees that have gotten wildly divergent from HEAD
[02:04] <ds-work> maybe I should start checking stuff in
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[02:16] <BBB> g'nite ;)
[02:16] <jd_Zzz> night ronald :)
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