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[03:28] <LeRoutier> good night ppl
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[03:37] <BBB> whee
[03:37] Action: BBB has working GNOME documentation for gst-rec
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[04:31] Action: ds beeps
[04:31] <ds> hmmm, pardon me
[04:33] Action: BBB sneezes
[04:33] <BBB> still sick
[04:57] <BBB> cvs commit: failed to create lock directory for `/home/cvs/gstreamer/gst-recorder/docs/C' (/home/cvs/gstreamer/gst-recorder/docs/C/#cvs.lock): No such file or directory
[04:57] <BBB> cvs commit: lock failed - giving up
[04:57] <BBB> ?
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[05:02] <BBB> gr
[05:02] <BBB> sleeptime
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[06:04] <desrt> hey guys... i get a lot of hiss when playing oggvorbis through 0.8... is this known?
[06:05] <desrt> i get hiss with: gst-launch filesrc=file.ogg ! spider ! osssink
[06:05] <desrt> but perfectly quiet with: ogg123 file.ogg
[06:08] <desrt> as far as i can tell it's only happening with oggvorbis
[06:08] <desrt> i'm running on a PPC, btw.
[06:29] <desrt> confirmed that it's only a problem on PPC
[06:29] Action: desrt is guessing endian mangling or something somewhere
[06:29] <desrt> hm.  i'm gonna bugzilla this one
[06:35] <desrt> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=139639
[06:35] <desrt> cheers
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[07:01] <tvon> Is the website in cvs?
[07:02] <tvon> and if I offered up some improvements, would I be shot?
[07:02] <tvon> or just shot *at*?
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[07:28] Nick change: wingoz -> wingo
[07:31] <wingo> tvon: it's in the www module in cvs
[07:32] <wingo> and no, i don't think we're violent people ;)
[07:37] Action: wingo will finally have an up-to-date debian system, after half a year of stagnation
[07:37] <wingo> i'm pretty pleased.
[07:55] <tvon> nice
[07:55] Action: tvon scampers off to try this fdo xserver jaunx
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[08:44] <Company> good morning angels
[08:44] <wingo> hey hey hey
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[09:13] Nick change: steveb_away -> steveb
[09:13] Nick change: steveb -> steve_b
[09:15] <wingo> hi steve_b
[09:15] <wingo> how is 2.0 doing? :)
[09:18] <steve_b> she is doing very well. sleeping atm
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[10:16] <Company> ds-work: poke
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[10:34] <LeRoutier> good morning
[10:34] <LeRoutier> anyone to fix bad links in PWG ?
[10:35] <LeRoutier> section-preface-reading => "website docs" & wiki goes 404
[10:43] Action: Company fixes
[10:44] <Company> there is no more wiki, right?
[10:45] <LeRoutier> true
[10:45] <LeRoutier> well, it has not been migrated to fd.o wiki
[10:46] <LeRoutier> i never saw old wiki content. were there plenty of usefull info or old irrelevant/deprecated info ?
[10:47] <wingo> old bitrotten info...
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[11:17] <Company> *smack*
[11:18] <Company> that was the sound of my hand hitting ds' code
[11:18] Action: wingo ducks flying bits
[11:18] <Company> i'm chasing metadata loading leaks in rb
[11:19] <Company> turns out loading the one swf file in there (or trying to) takes a nice 50MB of mem
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[11:51] <wingo> hm, it seems for the past year I've been reinventing common lisp music :-/
[11:56] <wingo> except my processing loops are already in c, and he wrote his own lisp->c compiler
[11:58] <wingo> and none of his work will get reused by anyone. hm.
[11:58] <Company> "he" ?
[11:58] <wingo> bill schottstadt
[11:58] <wingo> maybe spelled wrong.
[11:59] <wingo> the fellow that wrote snd also.
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[12:11] <wingo> it's weird -- he wrote his own scheme->gtk/motif bindings, wrote his own sound editor, wrote his own libsndfile equivalent, ...
[12:12] <wingo> i want to use gst and marlin and libsndfile and ladspa and all the other things that are already out there.
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[12:13] <Company> you never get anywhere if you don't cooperate
[12:14] <Company> s/you/your code/ is probably a better way to say it
[12:19] <wingo> strange how lispy people develop an allergy to the rest of the software universe, though.
[12:22] <LeRoutier> Company, who's in charge of PWG ? (if ever there is a maintainer for it)
[12:23] <Company> LeRoutier: noone probably
[12:23] <Company> LeRoutier: or the last one that worked on it, which would be BBB
[12:23] <Company> LeRoutier: or the one that broke it
[12:23] <Company> or so ;)
[12:24] <LeRoutier> ok, nevermind, i figured out the autotools trash. next step is to see if my sample plugin registers
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[12:35] <olimar> Hi all
[12:35] <LeRoutier> hi olimar
[12:36] <olimar> I installed gstreamer 0.8.0
[12:36] <olimar> and compiled gst-player
[12:36] <olimar> Hi LeRoutier
[12:36] <olimar> well it runs avi movies but mpgs don't work
[12:36] <olimar> I get this error message:
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[12:36] <olimar> gst-player: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.8/libgstmpeg2dec.so: undefined symbol: mpeg2_pts
[12:36] <olimar> any help?
[12:37] <Company> you compiled from source?
[12:37] <olimar> only gst-player
[12:37] <LeRoutier> olimar, which distro ?
[12:38] <olimar> gstreamer is from the rpms of the gstreamer site
[12:38] <olimar> RH9
[12:39] <LeRoutier> olimar, you changed mpeg2dec RPM recently ?
[12:39] <olimar> yep I downloaded the latest rpm yesterday
[12:39] <olimar> it was a 0.4.0 I think
[12:39] <olimar> maybe downgrade?
[12:41] <LeRoutier> well, your gst-plugins was compiled against the older one
[12:42] <LeRoutier> updating mpeg2dec broke this plug-in as API seems to have changed between old and new version
[12:42] <LeRoutier> so yes, downgrade to have mpeg playback reworking
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[12:44] <LeRoutier> bbl
[12:44] Nick change: LeRoutier -> LeRaway
[12:45] <olimar> hmm
[12:45] <olimar> ok
[12:48] <olimar> aaaand it works :)
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[13:05] <wingo> crazy: http://www.ai.sri.com/~pkarp/loop.html
[13:17] <wingo> lots of free software audio programs at use in this syllabus, but nothing based on gstreamer: http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/courses/220a-fall-2003/
[13:19] <wingo> Company: as an example of the kind of thing i'm looking towards, one of the final assignments in that class is:
[13:19] <wingo> Program in Lisp a CLM function that recreates the ?Deep Note? THX logo. Use 500 oscillators.
[13:19] <wingo> 500!
[13:23] <Company> that doesn't tell me anything
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[13:23] Action: Company has no clue about DSP
[13:25] <wingo> meaning if i implemented it in soundscrape i'd probably have 500 elements in a graph
[13:26] <Company> yeah, that's a nice number
[13:27] <Company> don'T use basicomega ;)
[13:30] <wingo> ja..
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[13:56] <LeRoutier> gst-register sees my plug-in, thanks god
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[14:30] <LeRoutier> hello ronald
[14:30] <BBB> ola
[14:30] <BBB> hm, so the living room uses a 'nyc.rr.com' account and my bedroom uses a 'east.verizon.net' account
[14:30] Action: BBB smiles at using neighbours' internet accounts
[14:31] <LeRoutier> bad boy
[14:31] <BBB> saves money
[14:32] <BBB> do you know how to check for the declaration of a struct in a header in autoconf foo?
[14:32] <Company> AC_TRY_COMPILE with code that uses that struct i'd say
[14:32] <LeRoutier> AC_CHECK_LIB ?
[14:35] <LeRoutier> BBB: have time to give some love to PWG ?
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[14:36] <wingo> hey BBB
[14:39] <mathrick>  /time
[14:39] <mathrick> erm
[14:39] <mathrick> and yo BBB, btw
[14:39] <BBB> hi
[14:40] <BBB> LeRoutier: maybe... I'm working on some random bugs right now
[14:40] <LeRoutier> BBB: ok, 2 erros encountered so far (plus the 2 that Company already fixed)
[14:41] <LeRoutier> chapter-building-boiler : anonymous => anoncvs
[14:41] <BBB> can you supply patches?
[14:41] <BBB> I love patches
[14:41] <LeRoutier> section-boiler-project-stamp : /gst-template/tools/ : no such directory and no such tool
[14:41] Action: mathrick notes it's amazing how much unusably slow machine can reduce one's computer addiction ;)
[14:42] <LeRoutier> well, for the first i can (even if it's a one-liner) but for the second, i don't know what replaces this tool
[14:42] Action: BBB ntiehr
[14:42] <BBB> gosh
[14:42] Action: BBB *neither
[14:42] <BBB> wingo: now, about opt, can it playback MPEG videos yet? :p
[14:43] <mathrick> hmm, maybe split all anoncvs mentions as XML entity included from interested files? could save some bugs later in case of (yet another) cvs move, if any :)
[14:43] <BBB> supply a patch :p
[14:44] Action: BBB probably wants to start working on some video playback issues
[14:45] <wingo> BBB: I only have a couple mpeg clips, and those are only a few seconds long
[14:45] <wingo> I still haven't tested that yet
[14:45] <LeRoutier> wingo: porn collection ? :)
[14:45] <wingo> but now that i have a proper dev setup and nice internet, i'll be more likely to fix these things
[14:45] Action: mathrick goes to something not requiring computer usage
[14:46] <wingo> LeRoutier: aikido, actually ;)
[14:46] <mathrick> time to draw a little, been rusty lately
[14:46] Nick change: mathrick -> mathrick|drawing
[14:52] Action: wingo wonders how his gnome desktop ran without having orbit2 installed
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[14:53] <wingo> BBB, LeRoutier: there is filterstamp.sh in gst-plugins/tools/
[14:54] <LeRoutier> wingo : argh, ok, in gst-plugins, i was looking into gst-template
[14:54] <LeRoutier> sorry
[14:54] <BBB> that's where it should be, in gst-template, no?
[14:54] Action: BBB wonders
[14:55] <LeRoutier> BBB: speaking of gst-recorder : it lists my main audio 'card' (nforce2 onboard, both OSS & ALSA are in the listbox) but my second alsa device (bt878 isn't listed)
[14:55] <LeRoutier> BBB: pwg says it is in gst-template
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[14:58] <BBB> I'm not sure about how the alsa element handles that
[14:58] <BBB> I've got some low-priority note here that tells me to check the alsa element one day
[15:00] <LeRoutier> BBB: for your  low priority todo list : add a check in gst-record for the filename (if i click record and i did not fill the filename, gst-recorder crashes because gnomevfssink loves having a filename to write to)
[15:01] <wingo> brb
[15:02] <BBB> ?
[15:02] <BBB> filesink checked for that internally
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[15:02] <BBB> so should gnomfvfssink
[15:02] <BBB> so it crashes?
[15:02] Action: BBB adds to TODO list
[15:02] <LeRoutier> yep
[15:02] <LeRoutier> ERROR         default(15397) gstgnomevfssink.c(350):gst_gnomevfssink_open_file:<output-0> No filename given
[15:02] <LeRoutier> ERROR         default(15397) gstgnomevfssink.c(350):gst_gnomevfssink_open_file:<output-0> (null)
[15:03] <BBB> can you provide a small backtrace in a PM?
[15:03] <BBB> I'll fix it instantly then
[15:03] <LeRoutier> trying it now
[15:03] <LeRoutier> there's a warnign just after : (gst-recorder:16454): libgnomevfs-CRITICAL **: file gnome-vfs-cancellable-ops.c: line 141 (gnome_vfs_write_cancellable): assertion `handle != NULL' failed
[15:04] <LeRoutier>  
[15:04] <LeRoutier> argh, can't have a backtrace
[15:04] <LeRoutier> Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[15:04] <LeRoutier> The program no longer exists.
[15:04] <LeRoutier> (launched inside gdb)
[15:04] <BBB> hm...
[15:04] <BBB> the error is normal
[15:04] <BBB> it seems like it doesn't bail out or so
[15:04] Action: BBB checks code
[15:05] <BBB> and yes
[15:05] Action: BBB kicks himself for doing that
[15:07] <BBB> re-check with CVS of now+15 seconds
[15:07] <LeRoutier> ok
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[15:08] <LeRoutier> ok, i see  the gst-plugins commit
[15:08] <LeRoutier> recompilation in progress, should end in about 10 minutes
[15:09] <BBB> (I don't care much about gst-rec bugs yet, but this was a gst-plugins bug, which are slightly more imortant... ;) )
[15:09] Action: BBB has a few items on his gst-rec TODO list and hopes to release a 0.0.1 soon after those are done
[15:10] <LeRoutier> yep, as gst-rec is CVS only for now, not much people use it
[15:11] <BBB> none at all, I'd say
[15:11] <BBB> although it works... :)
[15:12] <LeRoutier> not with v4l2src for me
[15:12] <BBB> oh, I only tested with v4lsrc so far
[15:12] <BBB> and I didn't start using fixation yet
[15:12] Action: BBB adds to TODO list
[15:12] <LeRoutier> ok, i'll try to use the older interface)
[15:13] <BBB> themain problem is its breakability
[15:13] <BBB> one slight element bug kills the whole app
[15:13] <BBB> and many v4l/v4l2 kernel drivers don't like that at all
[15:13] <BBB> not to mention X
[15:14] <LeRoutier> i saw a strange thing : at gst-rec launch, v4l is initialised up to 4 times
[15:14] <BBB> it's initialized a few times, yes
[15:15] <BBB> it builds a list of source elements, and autodetects that at each startup
[15:15] <BBB> then it opens one as active video source
[15:15] <BBB> (that's 2)
[15:15] <BBB> dunno about the other 2
[15:16] <BBB> I think it only opens stuff twice here
[15:16] <BBB> maybe you have >1 v4l device?
[15:17] <LeRoutier> got 1 v4l (bt878) and one dv1394 but i don't think it probes the second one because it's device name is quite !=
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[15:25] <wingo_> hm, anyone know what could cause all icons in nautilus to be displayed as blank pieces of paper?
[15:25] <BBB> gtk update?
[15:26] Action: BBB has had that several times when trying to update gtk and eventually gave up and waited for new RPMs from a newer RH version
[15:26] <LeRoutier> you need to recompile gst-theme engines after gtk 2.4 install
[15:26] <LeRoutier> or have newer RPM for them
[15:26] Action: wingo_ goes to check on that.
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[15:57] <LeRoutier> bbl
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[16:29] <eon-> is this a dev channel or a help channel?
[16:30] <wingo_> a little bit of column a, a little bit of column b :) it's both.
[16:33] <eon-> okay :) well, here's my problem:  im trying to get gstreamer to work on my amd64 box w/ alsa.  'gst-launch sinesrc ! alsasink' works fine, but when i launch any app that uses gst (gst-player, totem, rhythmbox), it says it can't find alsasink.
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[16:35] <wingo_> perhaps you have both 0.8 and 0.6 installed, and the apps are using the older version?
[16:37] Nick change: LeRaway -> LeRoutier
[16:37] <LeRoutier> re
[16:37] <LeRoutier> eon-, which distro ? 
[16:37] <eon-> LeRoutier: Gentoo
[16:38] <LeRoutier> normal so
[16:38] <LeRoutier> 0.6 had no alsa element with
[16:38] <LeRoutier> -with + on gentoo
[16:38] <eon-> i installed 0.8 ..
[16:38] <LeRoutier> (was considered too buggy)
[16:38] <LeRoutier> eon-: but did you reinstall gst-player and the like after this update ?
[16:39] <eon-> yep
[16:39] <LeRoutier> did you unmerge gstreamer-0.6.4 ?
[16:39] <eon-> never emerged it in the first place
[16:39] <LeRoutier> oh, fresh install so
[16:39] Action: eon- nods
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[16:40] <LeRoutier> eon-, look at what audiosink is in your gconf
[16:40] <eon-> hmm that's odd.  i have three diff versions of gst-launch in /usr/bin.  gst-launch, gst-launch-0.6 and gst-launch-0.8
[16:40] <eon-> i've set it to alsasink
[16:41] <LeRoutier> so, you have both gstreamer 0.6 & 0.8 installed
[16:41] <LeRoutier> in //
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[16:42] <eon-> ugh.  qpkg tells me only gstreamer-0.8 is installed.
[16:42] <LeRoutier> eon : if you have full gnome 2.6, do : emerge unmerge gstreamer-0.6.4 gst-plugins-0.6.4 to be sure
[16:43] <LeRoutier> eon-, etcat -v gstreamer  (look for I at the left)
[16:43] <cwryu> is it possible to make my own element without making it as a plugin?  with just static linking the code..
[16:45] <eon-> LeRoutier:  Ahhh, gstreamer-0.6.4 was installed and used by gst-player after all.   Thx for the help ;)
[16:46] <LeRoutier> no problem, unmerge older 0.6.4 gstreamer (core and all plugins)
[16:47] <eon-> already did
[16:47] <eon-> i recompiled gst-player to use 0.8, and everything works fine. :D
[16:48] <LeRoutier> i known latest tarball of sound-juicer still wants 0.6 or 0.7 (unless the patch is in portage now)
[16:53] <wingo_> aight, going home. enjoy the holiday, if you're in a holidayriffic part of the world.
[16:53] <eon-> sound-juicer? what's that?
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[16:53] <LeRoutier> eon-, CD audio ripper
[16:54] <eon-> ahhh
[16:54] <LeRoutier> emerge sound-juicer
[16:54] <eon-> btw, rhythmbox still has gstreamer-0.6.4 as a dependancy..
[16:55] <walters> eon-: rhythmbox 0.8 isn't out yet.
[16:55] <eon-> walters: does the 0.7 serie use gstreamer-0.8 ?
[16:56] <LeRoutier> yep
[16:56] <eon-> neaaat
[16:56] <LeRoutier> 0.7.2 does
[16:56] <eon-> cool. i'll check it out when i get back on monday. thx for all the help guys!
[16:57] <LeRoutier> no prob, have a good week-end
[16:57] <eon-> LeRoutier: Thanks, you too.
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[17:07] <LeRoutier> jdahlin, know when PWG was last generated (HTML version on the site) ?
[17:11] <jdahlin> LeRoutier: benjamin did a check in 6 hours ago, should have been updated then
[17:12] <LeRoutier> oh, automatic regeneration, neat
[17:13] <LeRoutier> (when it works) : apache says 30-Mar-2004 03:53
[17:14] <LeRoutier> http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/pwg/
[17:16] <jdahlin> LeRoutier: is it better now?
[17:20] <LeRoutier> apache still says the ps, pdf files & html dir are 10 days old
[17:21] <jdahlin> okay, you'd have to ping thomas to update them
[17:21] <LeRoutier> ok, no prob (and low priority)
[17:23] <LeRoutier> anyway, there are other mistakes i have to report before to regenerate them online
[17:24] <LeRoutier> and i also have to check those were not corrected since precedent generation
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[19:30] <BBB> wheels: how surprising, your conference is 2 days after I return from the US :)
[19:30] <BBB> but I still can't come, because I'm at Lowlands then ;) unless I can pop in halfway
[19:31] <wheels> BBB: Well, it's 8 days long  :-)
[19:32] <wheels> BBB: But the main developers presentations will be the first weekend...
[19:32] <BBB> and I'll be at Lowlands then
[19:32] <BBB> ;)
[19:32] <BBB> sorry, I've got priorities :p
[19:33] <BBB> that'll be the first weekend for me to re-see my friends
[19:33] <wheels> BBB: wuss  :-)
[19:33] <spyder482> lol
[19:34] <spyder482> when do you go back BBB?
[19:34] <wheels> BBB: they can come too.  I'm sure they'd like nothing more than a technical conference and a 6-7 hour road trip.  :-)
[19:34] <BBB> 18 aug
[19:34] <BBB> wheels: sure, if they were hackers :p
[19:34] <BBB> I arrive in NL at aug. 19
[19:34] <BBB> it's a night-flight
[19:35] <wheels> They're all overnight coming that way...
[19:35] <BBB> true
[19:35] <BBB> but lowlands starts aug. 20th, so...
[19:35] Action: wheels has flown transatlantic far too many times...
[19:35] <BBB> I'll be gone from aug. 19th until aug. 22th
[19:35] <BBB> I'll come back somewhere that monday, back to the land of the living
[19:36] Action: wheels usually finds european festivals kind of disappointing...
[19:36] <BBB> lowlands is cool, really
[19:36] <wheels> Europe doesn't have enough hippies for a proper festival.  :-)
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[19:40] <wheels> BBB: But yeah, I suspect we'll be able to get somebody from GStreamer to show up...
[19:40] <BBB> sure ;)
[19:40] <BBB> company lives in germany, ask him
[19:40] Action: BBB gives markey a beer on his new release
[19:41] <markey> cheers mate :)
[19:41] <wheels> BBB: Well, it's kind of open at this point.  There's fortunately quite a bit of time to figure this out since the call for papers hasn't even gone out yet.  :-)
[19:41] <BBB> yup
[19:41] <BBB> last year was pretty, ehm, bad ;)
[19:42] <wheels> BBB: Well, and this year I've convinced the folks organizing things that it should be more open to people wanting to work on integration that aren't strictly KDE developers.
[19:44] <markey> let's forget all that stuff and just booze instead :)
[19:45] <wheels> markey: You obviously haven't been to a KDE meeting yet.  :-)
[19:45] <markey> indeed :)
[19:46] <wheels> markey: (There's usually no shortage of booze.  ;-) )
[19:46] <markey> I suspected that ;)
[19:49] <wheels> Though -- strangely -- there are like only 5 KDE developers that smoke (tobacco).
[19:51] <markey> thinking about it, KDE also made me quite smoking
[19:51] <markey> might be coincidence, tho
[19:51] <markey> s/quite/quit
[19:51] <BBB> what was the gentoo bash post on slashdot again?
[19:53] Action: wheels reaches for his bookmarks..
[19:53] <wheels> http://books.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=60681&cid=5744137
[19:53] <wheels> markey: Well, I'm one of the 5.  :-)
[19:56] <markey> sometime I must find the mem leak in our gst engine!
[19:56] <markey> or maybe it's gst internal
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[20:41] <dtm> hi all.  how can I split a VCD compliant mpeg1 file, created by mencoder with no hints for splitting like mpeg2enc wants, into multiple mpeg files?
[20:43] <LeRoutier> try to use kino, it should do it
[20:44] <dtm> i'm having no luck with mplex whose man page says that it needs for the file to have been encoded with size hints.  the nutty kids on vcdhelp.com said that kavi2svcd can do it, but it simply calls mplex!
[20:44] <LeRoutier> despite its name, it's a gtk app (but it does not use gstreamer as a backend)
[20:44] <LeRoutier> kino.sf.net if i remember well
[20:44] <dtm> ok thanks LeRoutier :\
[20:45] <dtm> i have no idea what these people are all talking about on vcdhelp.com.  in fact the entire world of video editing is *full* of incomplete and contradictory information such that i wonder why anybody bothers to even start typing it.
[20:46] <LeRoutier> there are many started projects but few near completion
[20:47] <dtm> no, i mean, people are writing forum comments and docs on how to do things with the standard tools, and so many are so wrong.  i mean, if you do exactly what they say, like in my case, there's no possible chance it could ever work.
[20:47] <dtm> i'm not just talking about incomplete projects.  i can respect those.  :)
[20:48] <wheels> Whoa -- there's incorrect information on the internet!  :-)
[20:48] <dtm> obviously i am trapped in Bizarro World where Superman is the bad guy and ad hoc grassroots comments about obvious and highly specific things, work.
[20:49] Action: dtm follows the kino down the rabbit hole to see how far it goes
[20:49] <wheels> About 3 cm.
[20:49] <wheels> But in the next version it will definitely be at least 5.
[20:49] <dtm> When it takes a person 3 solid months just to learn the bare essential basics of transcoding and the simplest VCD creation, using free software, that's *insane*
[20:50] <dtm> of course 1/2 of that time was spent waiting on the encoding.
[20:50] <dtm> :]
[20:51] <LeRoutier> kino is graphical, GUI based, you'll see its limits quickly
[20:52] <dtm> none of the GUIs i've used have any limits to speak of.  i've been working with acidrip and k3b
[20:52] <dtm> they've been pretty impressive
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[21:17] <LeRoutier> what the fuck, there's HTML in teletex now ?!
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[21:31] <teuf> hi
[21:31] <LeRoutier> lut
[21:33] Nick change: markey|dishwash -> markey
[21:36] <ori__> hi
[21:40] <ori__> I'
[21:41] <ori__> I'm having a problem with gst-player - when I try to play avi files, the vido and/or audio become unviewably jerky - anyone else having this problem, or have any idea how to solve it?
[21:42] <ori__> I'm using both gstreamer and gst-player 0.8.0, compiled from source on Slackware 9.1
[21:43] <LeRoutier> do you have gst-ffmpeg ?
[21:44] <ori__> gst-inspect gst-ffmpeg to check, right?
[21:45] <LeRoutier> hum, not, w8
[21:45] <LeRoutier> "gst-inspect ffdemux_flv" for example
[21:46] <ori__> no, I don't seem to have it - where/how do I get it?
[21:47] <LeRoutier> get the tarball on gstreamer.net
[21:47] <LeRoutier> compile + install + do a gst-register after
[21:48] <ori__> ok, I'll try that
[21:54] <ori__> interesting
[21:54] <LeRoutier> works better ?
[21:55] <ori__> when I try to compile I get an error in dsputil_mmx.c
[21:55] <ori__> dsputil_mmx.c:614: can't find a register in class `INDEX_REGS' while reloading `asm'
[21:55] <ori__> make[8]: *** [libmmxsse_la-dsputil_mmx.lo] Error 1
[21:56] <ori__> any idea what that means?
[21:58] <LeRoutier> yep, it means ffmpeg code is evil
[21:59] <LeRoutier> try to put -01 in your CFLAGS instead of -O3 or other
[21:59] <LeRoutier> CFLAGS="-O1" make
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[22:00] <ori__> nope - still no luck
[22:01] <LeRoutier> what CFLAGS do you use ?
[22:01] <ori__> just -O1
[22:02] <ori__> trying to disable mmx (the function the error is in is h263_h_loop_filter_mmx )
[22:02] <LeRoutier> hum, what does it try to compile SSE enabled code ? proc optimisation autodetection ?
[22:02] <LeRoutier> what => why
[22:03] <ori__> don't know, but even disabling mmx doesnt seem to do anything ...
[22:08] <ori__> any idea if there's a precompiled package for slackware?
[22:10] <LeRoutier> sorry, never tried this distro
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[22:10] <benow> yos
[22:11] <LeRoutier> hello benow, the java binding master
[22:12] <benow> hola LeRoutier.  /s/master/hacker/
[22:12] <benow> like a blind man walking a tightrope
[22:12] <benow> getting better, tho.  new checkins on gst-java, btw.
[22:13] <Zeenix> hi benow
[22:14] <benow> heya Zeenix
[22:14] <benow> anyone know anything about the shout2 plugin?  it's stale and I'm after a bit of help...
[22:15] <benow> specifically, the multi caps seems to be an issue (ogg/mp3), and static vs normal caps declaration.
[22:19] <ori__> *pulls hair out*
[22:20] <ori__> ran installed fedora package, ran gst-register, now gst-inspect shows ffdemux_flv, BUT IT STILL LAGS LIKE HELL!!!
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[22:34] <ori__> anyone have an idea why I would get framerates that appear to be 1 or 2 fps?
[22:35] <ds> ori__: they get automatically fixated that way
[22:35] <ds> ori__: you haven't espressed a preference as to the framerate you want
[22:35] <ori__> and where would I specify this? and why would audio also be lagging?
[22:36] <ds> ori__: use filtered caps if you're using gst-launch
[22:38] <ori__> I was trying to use the gst-player for mpeg video - not sure how to use gst-launch
[22:40] <LeRoutier> ori__, try with gst-player --gst-scheduler=basicgthread   and see if it speeds things up
[22:41] <ds> ori__: ah, different bug
[22:42] <ori__> yea, that did it - now how do I keep it changed? is there a place to specify the defaults?
[22:42] <taaz> benow: all the cool people are using ChangeLogs... gst-java should too ;)
[22:43] Action: Company kicks xvid
[22:44] Action: Company reinstalls xvid
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[22:46] <LeRoutier> ori_: there are 3 ways :
[22:46] <LeRoutier> 1) modify a file in the source (the ugly way)
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[22:46] <rapha> Hi all!
[22:46] <LeRoutier> 2) an ENV variable
[22:46] <LeRoutier> hi rapha
[22:46] <LeRoutier> anyone could remember which is the name of the env variable to change the used scheduler ?
[22:47] <LeRoutier> 3) is --gst-scheduler=... at each invocation
[22:47] <Company> guess what the env var could be
[22:47] <Company> it's pretty obvious ;)
[22:47] <LeRoutier> GST_SCHEDULER ?
[22:47] <Company> right
[22:47] <LeRoutier> damn, so hard to guess :)
[22:48] <rapha> I just installed GNOME 2.6 with gstreamer from yesterday's CVS (using jhbuild), but something appears to be ... well, wierd. Rhythmbox segfaults and Totem doesn't play one of the 10-or-so-different formats I threw at it...
[22:48] <LeRoutier> ori__, so, add a "export GST_SCHEDULER=basicgthread" in your shell preference file
[22:48] <rapha> What I can I do to troubleshoot this in more detail?
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[22:50] <wheels> rapha: did you build with debugging symbols?
[22:50] <ori__> ok, thanks
[22:52] <rapha> wheels: Yup, did
[22:52] <ori__> any idea why the developers didn't make this scheduler the default?
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[22:52] <wheels> rapha: Have you looked at the backtraces yet then?
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[22:53] <LeRoutier> 1
[22:53] <LeRoutier> grr, wrong window, f.....g focus
[22:54] <dtm> LeRoutier: kino doesn't load mpeg files.
[22:54] <wheels> LeRoutier: Still no focus-follows-mind implementation in GNOME?  :-)
[22:54] <rapha> wheels: I tried loading Rhythmbox in gdb, but can't make much sense of it. Totem is displaying a lot of confusing info even without loading it into the debugger.
[22:54] <dtm> LeRoutier: so i can't split my mpeg with it
[22:54] <dtm> LeRoutier: apparentyl
[22:54] <LeRoutier> wheels, nope, but i know it exists (ever see the film "firefox" ?
[22:54] <wheels> rapha: can't make sense of gdb or the output?
[22:54] <dtm> LeRoutier: but i did find an arbitrary comment via google, that says i should use 'split' and 'mpgtx'
[22:54] <dtm> LeRoutier: and something called 'gopchop'
[22:55] <LeRoutier> dtm, sorry, i thought it did mpeg too. so, what format does it handle ? avi only ?
[22:55] <rapha> wheels: The gdb output :)
[22:55] <dtm> LeRoutier: i'm guessing dv, since that's what it's designed for.  it's a dv nonlinear editor.
[22:55] <dtm> LeRoutier: particularly from firewire
[22:55] <rapha> Well, I can't make much sense of the gstreamer output Totem seems to cause, as well
[22:55] <wheels> rapha: Well, did you get as far as generating a backtrace?
[22:56] <rapha> wheels: With Rhythmbox, yes. With Totem, I didn't try yet.
[22:56] <rapha> Would you like to see it?
[22:57] <wheels> rapha: Well, really the most interesting part is if it's crashing in RB code or in GStreamer code...
[22:57] <markey> heh, wheels doing support for GNOME apps
[22:58] <markey> strange times indeed!
[22:58] <markey> ;)
[22:58] <wheels> markey: RB no less.  :-)
[22:58] <ori__> well, thanks for the help, ppl
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[22:59] <rapha> wheels: Neither, from what I can tell.
[23:00] <rapha> Some gthreading stuff...?
[23:01] Action: rapha loads Totem into the debugger
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[23:09] <Zeenix> ds: do you write your CV in docbook?
[23:12] <ds> er, huh?
[23:13] <Zeenix> ds: what you did'nt understand?
[23:13] <ds> CV?
[23:15] <rapha> Curriculum Vitae
[23:15] <Zeenix> yeah
[23:15] <ds> Zeenix: I would do it in ascii, why?
[23:15] <Zeenix> ds: just asking
[23:16] <Zeenix> ds: people generally demand it in different formats
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[23:17] <ds> at least in technical fields, almost everyone demands ascii these days, or some form that can be easily converted to ascii
[23:17] <rapha> wheels: I got a backtrace from Totem aswell now; doesn't seem to behave like it does without debugger...
[23:17] <rapha> Program received signal SIG32, Real-time event 32.
[23:17] <rapha> 0x40c883b1 in sigpending () from /System/Links/Libraries/libc.so.6
[23:18] <rapha> And that goes all the way up through stuff like pthread_create(), sig*(), gstpipeline.c and whatnot
[23:19] <benow> (process:9273): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: unimplemented vararg field type 1
[23:19] <benow> ^-- any ideas?
[23:19] <rapha> Without debbugging (for this particular file) it just says "Streaming" for a while" and then says "Paused".
[23:19] <ds> benow: figure out where that function call is, and fix it
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[23:24] <markey> wheels: got another crash report from an amarok user with GCC 2.95
[23:24] <markey> fishy
[23:24] <wheels> markey: yeah, I guessed that.
[23:24] <markey> might be related to the compiler somehow
[23:25] <markey> I wonder what's going on
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[23:40] <walters> rapha: is anything printed on stderr?
[23:40] <walters> rapha: uh...is this on MacOS X?
[23:49] <Company> wheels: what kind of talks do you want at that conference
[23:49] <Company> ?
[23:49] <wheels> Company: Well, I think just a talk on the scope and basic design of GStreamer.
[23:50] <wheels> Company: It's kind of becoming a buzz word in KDE MM, but most people really don't have any idea what it is.  :-)
[23:54] <BBB> buzz words is good
[23:54] <BBB> it means they have no clue of our buglist ;)
[23:55] <wheels> BBB: yet...  :-)
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[23:55] <wheels> I mean, to be honest I could probably do the talk, but it wouldn't seem as interesting coming from me...
[23:56] <Company> hm
[23:56] <rapha_> walters: No, and no.
[23:56] <Company> so kinda like "this is an element, and here is a pad, now you take another one and boom, a pipeline"
[23:56] Action: BBB votes for thomasvs doing the presentation
[23:56] <BBB> he's good at it with his lego pieces ;)
[23:57] <walters> rapha_: what is /System/Links ?
[23:57] <wheels> Company: Well, and "GStreamer is a framework for handling media pipelines.  It's not a sound server.  It's not for synthesis..."
[23:57] <wheels> BBB: But he's a lot further away now.  :-)
[23:57] <rapha_> walters: I'm currently on GoboLinux
[23:57] <BBB> he earns money
[23:57] <rapha_> (Rethought UNIX tree, blah)
[23:57] <walters> rapha_: scary :)
[23:58] <Company> wheels: ah right, the typical "GStreamer is a library. What is a library?" stuff ;)
[23:58] <rapha_> Yeah, that's what I thought... it's really nice for having multiple versions of programs and stuff though...
[23:58] <rapha_> walters: It's definately worth to have a look at their Website, www.gobolinux.org
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[00:00] --- Sun Apr 11 2004
[00:01] Action: wheels gets confused.
[00:01] <BBB> it doesn't make your internet connection very stable
[00:01] <rapha> wheels: By my nicks changes? Sorry, IRSSI and I tried to do the same thing at the same time :)
[00:04] <rapha> Hmm
[00:04] <rapha> What media formats should gstreamer play without gst-plugins installed?
[00:05] <BBB> none ;)
[00:06] <rapha> Hmm. That's wierd. gst-plugins isn't included in the "gstreamer" CVS module, right?
[00:07] <BBB> no
[00:07] <rapha> Okay.
[00:07] <rapha> Right, I'm getting old: that's why I checked out gst-plugins.
[00:07] Action: rapha hopes nobody's heard him
[00:08] <rapha> Soo, let's say I want to play an MPG file using Totem. What requirements have to be fulfilled in order for that to work?
[00:12] <LeRoutier> gstreamer+gst-plugins (and perhaps gst-ffmpeg)
[00:12] <rapha> Without any dependancies for these?
[00:13] <LeRoutier> with lots of deps for gst-plugins (depending of what codec you want)
[00:13] <LeRoutier> mpeg2dec could be one
[00:13] <rapha> Okay. Then that's probably my problem.
[00:14] <rapha> Is there a full list of dependancies that gstreamer can make use of somewhere?
[00:15] <LeRoutier> there's a dep*.txt file at the root of gst-plugins but i'm not sure it is up to date
[00:21] <rapha> LeRoutier: I'll have a look at it anyway; thanks!
[00:23] <rapha> LeRoutier: "REQUIREMENTS"
[00:24] <BBB> it's outdated
[00:24] <BBB> see the output of configure
[00:24] <BBB> it'll tell you which plugins it'll build
[00:24] <BBB> if you want any of the ones it doesn't build, install its dependency
[00:27] <rapha> okay
[00:27] <rapha> thanks
[00:28] <rapha> Can I assume that if I don't know what something is, that I don't need it?
[00:29] <LeRoutier> basically, you need xvid/divxdec 
[00:29] <LeRoutier> for the more common videos
[00:30] <rapha> Okay
[00:30] <rapha> What about stuff like WMV, ASF, QT, RM?
[00:32] <LeRoutier> qt and asf demuxer are included, no dep if i remember well
[00:32] <LeRoutier> for real media, i don't know
[00:33] Action: rapha will try such a video then first, to see if there's any other problem as well
[00:38] <lilo_booter> hey BBB - thanks for your comments on mlt
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[01:02] <BBB> lilo_booter: my pleasure :)
[01:02] <BBB> lilo_booter: parts are really interesting for where I work ;)
[01:02] <BBB> I work for a dutch TV company :p
[01:03] <BBB> rapha___: gst-ffmpeg contains codecs for all those
[01:03] <rapha___> Thanks BBB 
[01:04] Action: rapha___ is currently hunting down all the plugins that configure said would not be built :)
[01:05] <LeRoutier> rapha___, you won't be able to enable all of them like xine, shout2 and one or two others
[01:06] <LeRoutier> those are experimental plugins
[01:07] <rapha___> Hmm
[01:08] <rapha___> What I don't understand is, why am I not getting any error messages for media files that don't work?
[01:08] <LeRoutier> that's called bugs
[01:09] <rapha___> Well, but for _all_ of them?
[01:10] <BBB> depends?
[01:10] <BBB> totem should say 'could not detect media type' if it doesn't know it
[01:10] <BBB> like a text file or a word document
[01:10] <BBB> but for video files, it'll play them
[01:10] <rapha___> From what I understand, it should play .mov's just fine right now, but it doesn't. Is there really nothing I can do to figure it out?
[01:10] <BBB> it just doesn't *decode*
[01:10] <BBB> but it knows the format
[01:10] <BBB> the rest is probabyl a libgstplay bug
[01:10] Nick change: rapha___ -> rapha
[01:10] <BBB> why would you play .mov files fine
[01:10] <BBB> and which .mov's?
[01:11] <rapha> Because somebody said that the QT demuxer is included with gst-plugins (no deps).
[01:11] <rapha> I tried a couple of them.
[01:11] <BBB> yes
[01:11] <rapha> The best I could get out of Totem so far was the sound of an .mpg.
[01:11] <BBB> but that's a *demuxer*
[01:11] <BBB> you need decoders also
[01:11] <rapha> Ah I see
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[01:30] <pazu> Hello, folks.
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[01:31] <LeRoutier> that was short
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[01:32] <pazu> ops. hello again.
[01:32] <LeRoutier> re pazu
[01:32] <pazu> anyone here tried to add AAC encoding support to sound-juicer?
[01:35] <BBB> bbl
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[01:35] <LeRoutier> isn't that a matter of having faac and its associated gst-plugin and adding an entry in sound-juicer gui ?
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[01:36] <pazu> that's what I thought.
[01:36] <pazu> disclaimer: I'm not a C programmer. A actually never did anything in C before...
[01:37] <pazu> anyway, I copied some bits here and there, and actually got to a point that sound-juicer seems to build the gstreamer pipe...
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[01:39] <pazu> but then I get some warnings from GST about a failed assertion and now I'm baffled :P
[01:40] <LeRoutier> alsa ?
[01:40] <LeRoutier> alsasink assertion no ?
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[01:51] <pazu> no, not really. something about padding. let me reproduce it...
[01:54] <pazu> (sound-juicer:3015): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: file gstpad.c: line 1404 (gst_pad_try_set_caps): assertion `!GST_PAD_IS_NEGOTIATING (pad)' failed
[01:54] <LeRoutier> which sound-juicer version exactly ?
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[01:55] Nick change: mathrick|drawing -> mathrick
[01:55] <mathrick> re
[01:55] <LeRoutier> i love standard. and i love them really more when they are respected
[01:55] <mathrick> ahh, it feels good to do something creative, and more importantly, not relayed to computing in any way ;)
[01:56] <mathrick> s/relayed/related/
[01:56] <LeRoutier> so, i hate fucking french broadcaster that don't comply with PDC standard at all
[01:56] <LeRoutier> mathrick, still drawing ?
[01:56] <mathrick> LeRoutier: kinda finished for today, i think
[01:57] <mathrick> did some warm-up. I've gotten really rusty lately, no drawing for long time
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[01:58] <mathrick> hmm, what should I do? Get some sleep (2AM) or better read some more Pratchett? :)
[01:58] <mathrick> yo thomasvs
[01:59] <LeRoutier> hello thomas
[02:00] <thomasvs> evening people
[02:03] <pazu> LeRoutier, latest sound juicer, 0.5.10.1
[02:04] <pazu> mathrick, read some Pratchett, that's addictive enough to make the sleep go away :)
[02:05] <LeRoutier> thomasvs, are you aware of any PVR project based on gstreamer ?
[02:06] <mathrick> pazu: yeah, just needed someone to back me up :)
[02:07] Action: mathrick reads
[02:08] <walters> thomasvs: hey.  have you thought about a 0.8.1 release?
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[02:18] <taaz> walters: tla question, how do i commit one file with lots of junk laying around?  tla commit -- foo  aborts with warnings about .deps and .libs and all sorts of build crap that i want it to just ignore
[02:19] <walters> taaz: remove those files from the unrecognized regexp
[02:20] <walters> taaz: also i think you'll need to include dotfiles in the source regexp
[02:20] <walters> taaz: i sent in a changeset to fix the defaults a while ago, hasn't been merged yet..
[02:21] <walters> taaz: does that work?
[02:23] <taaz> apparently i suck at regex
[02:24] <walters> taaz: you could likely just copy rb's tagging-method file.
[02:24] <taaz> but build files are not really source or unrecognized... why isn't there a "ignore" type that will just outright not pay attention to such files?
[02:24] <walters> i moved all the rb-specific stuff out into the .arch-inventory files
[02:24] <walters> build files are generally precious
[02:25] <walters> you could think of them as junk too.
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[02:33] <taaz> walters: is there a version i could grab off the web somewhere?  too lazy to grab the whole tree ;)
[02:34] <walters> taaz: http://web.verbum.org/files/=tagging-method
[02:34] <taaz> rb.org needs some viewarch love
[02:34] <walters> yeah
[02:34] <taaz> ah, thanks ;)
[02:35] <walters> it looked like a pain to install, and it's kind of doubly difficult for me with SELinux.
[02:42] <taaz> walters: yeah, rb setup makes more sense than the modified defaults i had
[02:51] <taaz> working great now, thanks
[02:53] <walters> taaz: np


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