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[03:00] Nick change: TD -> TD[gone]
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[03:04] <Company> is there a way to check if it's useful?
[03:05] <ds-work> well, we allocate a lot of them, so it's probably useful
[03:06] <ds-work> imo, g_malloc() and/or the system malloc should do these things automatically
[03:07] <ds-work> QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used
[03:07] <ds-work> grr
[03:08] <ds-work> dude, I think I'll disable kiosrc locally just because that's really annoying
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[03:10] <BBB> ds-work: why not GVAlueArray?
[03:10] <Company> ds-work: i'd like to prove it's useful before actually implementing it
[03:10] <ds-work> BBB: huh?
[03:11] <BBB> nm :)
[03:11] <Company> BBB: it needs to save the name of the entry, too
[03:11] <BBB> gchar *mimetype; :p
[03:11] <ds-work> Company: theoretically, it should be better.  But glibc's malloc is pretty darn good
[03:11] <ds-work> BBB: mime types are GQuarks
[03:12] <Company> glibc's malloc is in fact good
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[03:12] <ds-work> I've essentially come to the conclusion that having a separate "title" in GstStructure was not a good idea
[03:12] <ds-work> it should have just been another field
[03:13] <Company> ds-work: great
[03:13] <Company> ds-work: because i've come to that conclusion, too
[03:13] <ds-work> we're not in a _bad_ situation, I just would have done it different knowing what I know now
[03:14] <ds-work> I still think it's a good idea to have it as a special field
[03:14] <ds-work> but not necessarily implemented specially
[03:14] <Company> i'd prefer to have it as a field named "mime"
[03:14] <ds-work> gstfilesrc.c: In function `gst_filesrc_init':
[03:14] <ds-work> gstfilesrc.c:249: error: structure has no member named `seek_happened'
[03:15] <Company> i renamed it to need_discont
[03:15] <Company> but i'm pretty sure I checked in the .c file, too
[03:16] <ds-work> just updated
[03:16] <ds-work> cvs update: checksum failure after patch to gst/elements/gstfilesrc.c; will refetch
[03:16] <ds-work> nm
[03:17] <Company> i have that happening a lot recently
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[03:26] <Company> dude, why does ssh not forward X connections by default or at least ask me if it should do that?
[03:26] <BBB> ssh -X?
[03:28] <ds-work> it's a config option that defaults to off
[03:28] <Company> yeah
[03:29] <Company> the config file on debian does include that option
[03:29] <Company> but it doesn't include the option to enable compression
[03:29] <Company> (at least not on debian)
[03:31] <ds-work> crap
[03:31] Action: ds-work just created a big bug
[03:31] <Company> ?
[03:32] <ds-work> gst_caps_is_fixed() assumes that fundamental types are fixed
[03:32] <ds-work> GstIntRange is now a fundamental type
[03:32] <ds-work> I really hope that didn't go into the release
[03:32] <ds-work> erm, good
[03:33] Action: ds-work had already prepared the brown paper bag
[03:33] <Company> pfff
[03:33] <Company> the release doesn't build docs
[03:33] <Company> we'd just have done 0.8.2 and be done with it
[03:33] <ds-work> I disabled the stupid warning check locally; I think I'll check it in
[03:34] <Company> stupid warning check?
[03:36] <ds-work> the doc build fails if there are warnings
[03:36] <ds-work> but curiously, not if there are errors :)
[03:38] <Company> i already checked in a fix for that
[03:44] Nick change: mxpxpod -> mx|gone
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[03:52] <BBB> ds-work: wanna add esds atoms to mpeg4 audio/video streams in qtdemux?
[03:52] <BBB> as GstBuffer please
[03:53] <BBB> I'll fix ffdec/faad then
[03:54] <ds-work> yes
[03:54] <ds-work> the problem is, I couldn't find any documentation on esds atoms
[03:54] <BBB> you don't have to, do you?
[03:55] <Pamels> The MP4 docs are hard to come by.  ;)
[03:55] <BBB> it's just an atom
[03:55] <BBB> put the full atom data in a GstBuffer and I'm happy
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[04:00] <Company> uhm, how?
[04:01] <Company> as part of the caps or otherwise?
[04:01] <BBB> yes
[04:01] <BBB> like palette_data in RLE
[04:01] <Company> yes == part of caps?
[04:01] <BBB> and call it esds_data or so
[04:01] <BBB> yes == part of caps
[04:01] <BBB> it's part of the caps
[04:01] <Company> yeah
[04:01] <BBB> it's a stream header thing :)
[04:02] <Company> yeah
[04:02] <BBB> otherwise, you could possible (in theory) seek past it and therefore miss it... which is bad
[04:02] <Company> i totally agree
[04:02] <BBB> btw, I have an avi/vorbis file with vorbis packets (first three, you know) in the stream header
[04:02] <BBB> I'm unsure how to handle that
[04:02] <Company> makes wrapping xine easier, too
[04:02] <BBB> since we currently put it in as part of the stream for vorbis
[04:03] <Company> it is part of the vorbis stream
[04:03] <BBB> the bad thing is that it requires knowledge of the vorbis format to implement in avi muxers
[04:03] <BBB> (or any muxer)
[04:04] <Company> you could implement audio/x-vorbis-broken-for-muxers and implemenbt a onverter
[04:05] <Company> it really is setup data in a way
[04:05] <Company> in another way it really isn't setup data
[04:06] <BBB> yeah... anyway, spec is fixed for 0.8.x, I guess this is part of it
[04:06] <BBB> depends how you define the vorbis format
[04:06] <BBB> as only vorbis-encoded crap?
[04:06] <BBB> or also (like xiph tells us) headers and vorbiscomments and so on?
[04:06] <Company> well, the setup data is part of the vorbis stream
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[04:06] <Company> the vorbis stream may be put in ogg and rtp
[04:08] <Company> it's an interesting question wrt plugging during playing
[04:10] <BBB> if I seek to halfway the stream and demux it, does it work?
[04:10] <BBB> because the vorbis decoder needs this data to operate correctly, no?
[04:10] <Company> yes
[04:10] <Company> there are a lot of formats that require the first x bytes of data to operate correctly
[04:11] <Company> vorbis for example
[04:11] <Company> or avi
[04:12] <BBB> vorbis is a codec... the others are mux formats
[04:12] <BBB> those might be interpreted differently...
[04:12] <BBB> dunno
[04:16] <Company> ogg does a lot of stuff differently
[04:16] <Company> like putting metadata into the codec
[04:17] <Company> or setup data for that matter
[04:17] <BBB> yeah...
[04:17] <BBB> ohwell
[04:17] <BBB> as long as we define how it works, it'll be ok
[04:18] <Company> we need to define seekability some day
[04:37] Nick change: mx|gone -> mxpxpod
[04:47] Action: Company is on a memleak hunt again
[04:48] <ds-work> we have more?
[04:48] <ds-work> (heh)
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[04:51] <BBB> is it normal that the first data packet of a vorbis stream starts with OggS?
[04:51] <BBB> isn't that the Ogg stream header?
[04:52] <Company> the first data packet of a vorbis stream starts with vorbis
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[04:52] <Company> uh \000vorbis or \001vorbis to be exact
[04:53] <Company> see typefinding for audio/x-vorbis
[04:53] Action: ds-work is proud of his new, shiny gstreamer-0.8-0.dll
[04:54] <BBB> the header starts with that here
[04:54] <Company> does gst-launch work yet?
[04:55] <BBB> but the first 01wb chunk starts with OggS
[04:55] <BBB> off off off
[04:55] <ds-work> no, not yet
[04:55] <Company> so they put the first 3 headers into the AVI and then continue putting the ogg stream in there i guess
[04:55] <BBB> that's *FUCKED*
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[04:56] <Company> agreed
[04:56] <BBB> but I knew that already ;)
[04:56] <BBB> how am I supposed to demux this?
[04:56] <Company> -ENOTSUPPORTED ?
[04:57] <Company> or better: -EDONTCARE
[04:57] <BBB> prolly
[04:57] <BBB> then again, this movie is claiming to be created by nandub, which is used a lot
[04:57] <BBB> :(
[04:58] <Company> packets of xiph formats inside ogg always ose 1 byte for the type and after that the codec name
[04:58] <Company> vorbis has (0x1|0x3|0x5|0x80)vorbis
[04:58] <Company> theora uses something similar
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[05:04] <sri_> heloooo
[05:04] <BBB> hi sri
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[05:17] <jcsston> BBB: You have a Vorbis-AVI file created with NanDub?
[05:18] <BBB> yes
[05:18] <BBB> poor me
[05:18] <BBB> don't you asee my tears?
[05:18] <jcsston> yes
[05:19] <BBB> every 01wb chunk starts with OggS
[05:19] <BBB> so it's not even vorbis/avi, it's *ogg*vorbis/avi
[05:19] <BBB> :'(
[05:19] <jcsston> Did you mux it yourself or found it online somewhere? The Vorbis option in NanDub always crashed on me.
[05:19] <BBB> found it online
[05:20] <BBB> I'd never add vorbis to avi myself
[05:20] <BBB> I mean
[05:20] <BBB> poor god
[05:20] <BBB> who would do this to himself?
[05:20] <BBB> you can't evne seek in those files
[05:22] <jcsston> :/
[05:22] <BBB> the whole concept is so fundamentally broken
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[05:30] <ds-work> why should we support it?
[05:36] <Company> we shouldn't
[05:38] <Company> ds-work: can't we handle both styles of plugin loading without ifdef?
[05:39] <Company> ds-work: 2nd question: can't we just call the plugin_init functions via the elf init section?
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[06:14] <Octane> anyone know where i can find rhythmbox people?
[06:15] <Octane> i just successfully made and installed gstreamer .8.1
[06:15] <Octane> but rhythmbox .8.0's configure still says i have an older version
[06:32] <sri_> Octane: you need to gimpnet
[06:32] <sri_> and #rhythmbox
[06:32] <Octane> ahhh
[06:32] <sri_> Octane: er, you need to go to gimpnet and join #rhythmbox
[06:33] <sri_> if it says you have an older version
[06:33] <Octane> thanks man
[06:33] <sri_> then you should check pkg-config --modversion gstreamer
[06:33] <sri_> or something like that
[06:33] <sri_> make sure it's the right version
[06:33] <sri_> otherwise something got borked with your gstreamer install
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[13:13] <FuzzyTheBear> Morning gentlemen, Ladies ... 
[13:13] <FuzzyTheBear> building gst-plugins from source.. i get this rather oddball... 
[13:14] <FuzzyTheBear> ....    qt-3.1/include -g -O2 -MT libgstkio_la-kiosrc.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libgstkio_la-kiosrc.Tpo -c kiosrc.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libgstkio_la-kiosrc.o
[13:14] <FuzzyTheBear> kiosrc.cpp:25:23: kdemacros.h: No such file or directory
[13:15] <iain> do you have kde installed?
[13:15] <FuzzyTheBear> im looking for that kdemacros.h and  cant  find it anywhere...  or is that the error ? and  something like qt is to blame here ? 
[13:15] <FuzzyTheBear> Yes  KDe  Kde libs  and  KDE libs  devel 
[13:15] <FuzzyTheBear> sorry for the typing  it's early  :) 
[13:16] <FuzzyTheBear> [ric@ric ric]$ ls | grep kde
[13:16] <FuzzyTheBear> kdelibs-3.1.4-4.i386.rpm
[13:16] <FuzzyTheBear> kdelibs-devel-3.1.4-4.i386.rpm
[13:16] <iain> I dunno where it comes from
[13:16] <FuzzyTheBear> :)  what  a coincidence..   neither do i :))) 
[13:16] <iain> ask company or wheels if they comes around
[13:16] <FuzzyTheBear> Sure will :) 
[13:17] <iain> wheels is the kde person and company wrote kiosrc
[13:17] <iain> so they'll know whats up
[13:17] <FuzzyTheBear> thanks .. well  this is the latest jhbuild im trying so .. i kind of expect here and there a lil something will go wrong.   it's pack 68  of 88 ... so .. not not doing bad at all 
[13:18] <alley_cat> kdemacros.h was installed by kdelibs here
[13:18] <alley_cat> version 3.2.1, maybe it's a kde 3.2 only thing
[13:18] <FuzzyTheBear> morning alley_cat
[13:18] <FuzzyTheBear> im on Fedora Core 1 ...  yeah.. well that  might be it... 
[13:19] <FuzzyTheBear> but  still i dont really care about KDE>. never use it..  would there be someplace in a makefile  something i can simply disable this ? 
[13:19] <alley_cat> yes
[13:19] <alley_cat> pass --disable-kio to gst-plugins configure
[13:20] <FuzzyTheBear> let me try this ..
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[13:28] Action: FuzzyTheBear fals asleep watching the never ending compile scrolling by ...  
[13:35] <FuzzyTheBear> ok  builds ... installing ... all looks good now.. 
[13:35] <FuzzyTheBear> Thanks bunches :) 
[13:36] <FuzzyTheBear> back to building the rest of the gnome28 module set 
[13:36] <FuzzyTheBear> Gentlemen,Ladies .. have an excellent  day and thanks again 
[13:36] Action: FuzzyTheBear bows ..  will now perform world famous disappearance trick .. 
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[13:55] <jdahlin> have you guys seen:
[13:55] <jdahlin> http://www.hadess.net/files/not-mine/Login1.jpg
[13:57] <iain> yup
[13:57] <iain> the next page had a picture of Marlin
[13:57] Nick change: m_wheels -> wheels
[13:58] <iain> http://www.prettypeople.org/~iain/Login4.jpg
[13:59] <jdahlin> nice
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[15:36] <Company> good morning angels
[15:38] Action: Company shouldn't always get so excited about new software
[15:40] <Company> now how do i make udev find my mouse?
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[15:42] <Misirlou> You don't!
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[15:43] <Company> X doesn't start without a mouse though
[15:45] <jdahlin> hello Company and thomasvs
[15:47] <Company> great
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[15:47] <Company> it works with usb
[15:47] <Company> i want a ps/2 mouse :(
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[15:49] <thomasvs> afternoon
[15:49] <thomasvs> jdahlin: what wireless card does your pc have ?
[15:49] <Company> and udev doesn't work with my oss devices...
[15:49] <jdahlin> thomasvs: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401
[15:49] <thomasvs> (jdahlin: just had a nasty python bt in the system os module, recursive makedirs breaking the stack)
[15:50] <jdahlin> why do you want to know?
[15:50] <jdahlin> thomasvs: breaking the stack?
[15:50] Action: jdahlin would liketo see that
[15:50] Action: jdahlin confirms 140225
[15:52] <thomasvs> jdahlin: testing ipw2100 drivers, thought you had one
[15:53] <jdahlin> ok
[15:53] Action: Misirlou builds GStreamer 0.8.1 wooooooo
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[15:59] <Company> nextr try...
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[16:04] <Company> w00t
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[16:09] <Company> sound works, v4l works, mouse works
[16:09] <Company> missing things: v4l device is /dev/video0 instead of /Dev/video and mouse is usb instead of ps/2
[16:09] <jdahlin> Company: why don't you use FC or something?
[16:09] <jdahlin> then everything will work out-of-the-box
[16:10] <Company> because i have to install FC2 new every now and then which i don't need with debian
[16:10] <Company> and does fc2 use udev?
[16:12] <jdahlin> I'm quite sure it does, I'm still on FC1
[16:13] <jdahlin> you don't need to reinstall FC if you're not messing up your system
[16:13] <alley_cat> you can rename video0 to video with a rule in /etc/udev/udev.rules
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[16:14] <alley_cat> KERNEL="video0", NAME="video"
[16:14] <Company> yeah, but i don't want to mess with udev config files just yet
[16:14] <Company> they'll probably change quite a bit during the evoilution of udev
[16:15] <jdahlin> udev is quite stable
[16:15] <jdahlin> If I'm not mistaken
[16:16] <Company> considering it didn't detect my mouse and setup oss devices via alsa emulation, it needs to get better
[16:17] <alley_cat> that's not udevs fault, udev can only create devices for which the kernel driver exports info to sysfs
[16:17] <alley_cat> though ps2 mouse should be there, it is for me
[16:17] <jdahlin> udev is not about "detecting" devices, it's all about managing names for available devices
[16:18] <Company> i don't care whose fault it is - i just do care that it works without my intervention
[16:18] <pulec> what is the advantage of using udec instead of the older dev fs ?
[16:18] <pulec> udec=udev
[16:18] <Company> udev is the future, devfs is a dead end
[16:18] <Company> that's all i guess
[16:18] <thomasvs> udev is not yet in fc2 I think
[16:19] <pulec> ah i see ok. dev is dead , long live udev.
[16:19] <jdahlin> udev does less than devfs, but it does it good
[16:22] <Company> i just use it because i want to switch to the f.d.o stack as soon as possible
[16:22] <Company> so i can have an eye for stuff like integrating gst with those technologies
[16:23] <Misirlou> ERROR parsing comment block file : parameter expected -
[16:23] <Misirlou>  ../../gst/parse/lex._gst_parse_yy.c:33490
[16:23] <Misirlou> make[3]: *** [sgml-build.stamp] Error 1
[16:23] <Misirlou> make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/aew/gstreamer-0.8.1/docs/gst'
[16:23] <Misirlou> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[16:23] <Misirlou> make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/aew/gstreamer-0.8.1/docs'
[16:23] <Misirlou> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[16:23] <Misirlou> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/aew/gstreamer-0.8.1'
[16:23] <Misirlou> make: *** [all] Error 2
[16:24] <Company> Misirlou: there's a patch for that in CVS
[16:24] <Misirlou> New release, please. :P
[16:24] <Company> i would actually like a new release that just fixes that issue...
[16:24] <Company> too many people showing up here complaining about gtk-doc
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[16:25] <jmmv> hi
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[16:26] <Company> ho
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[16:40] <jpetersen> To add support for the "volume-changed" signal in GstAlsaMixer it is required to use poll() to poll for changes in the alsa mixer. Is a GstElementLoopFunction the right place to call the poll() function?
[16:42] <Company> uhm, doesn't alsa have signals?
[16:43] <Company> i thougt you could register a callback with alsa that automagically gets called when something changes
[16:44] <Company> thomasvs: gnome-media forces use of automake-1.7 - is there an easy way to fix this or should I file a bug?
[16:46] <thomasvs> Company: what's wrong with am17 ? it's one of the versions gnome requires
[16:47] <jpetersen> alsa-mixer uses poll() and the snd_mixer_callback seems not to be called if the volume changed
[16:48] <Company> thomasvs: i use most recent autotools only and would like to keep it that way, that's all
[16:48] <thomasvs> Company: oh, you mean it doesn't allow any other version ?
[16:48] <thomasvs> that sounds like a bug then
[16:48] <Company> thomasvs: yeah
[16:48] <thomasvs> yeah, file a bug
[16:48] <jpetersen> but i haven't found any alsa mixer documentation
[16:49] <Company> thomasvs: we need a solution for po/Makefile.in.in requiring mkinstalldirs btw
[16:50] <thomasvs> Company: since a lot of gnome modules have issues with that (it's an am problem), I'm waiting for an official upstream fix for it
[16:50] <Company> thomasvs: yeah that's what i thought
[16:50] <thomasvs> unless you know what the fix is ?
[16:51] <thomasvs> I have no idea how automake stuff gets told to install mkinstalldirs, and I'm not very keen on reading that much perl code to find out :)
[16:51] <Company> thomasvs: but you're taking care of that problem, so i don't need to care about it, right?
[16:52] <thomasvs> Company: heh, I guess :)
[16:52] <thomasvs> Company: it's not yet that big a problem, but if more people start complaining about it and it's still not fixed, I'll look into it
[16:53] Action: thomasvs is trying to figure out why md5sums for mad decoding have changed since 0.8.1 already
[16:54] <Company> the only thing that i know changed is that we now send an event before the first buffer
[16:54] <Company> though that shouldn't affect md5s
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[17:12] <edmack_> Hi, I'm guessing I'm not the first with this problem, but I'm just stuck :(
[17:12] <edmack_> I'm trying to install gstreamer-plugins-extra-dvd from your repository, but get this error (because of gstreamer-plugins-extra-video)
[17:12] <edmack_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[17:12] <edmack_>   gstreamer-plugins-extra-video: Depends: libfame-0.9.so.0
[17:12] <edmack_> But apt-get says I have the latest libfame :(
[17:12] <edmack_> I'm using fedora.us apt dis
[17:12] <thomasvs> edmack_: paste rpm -qi libfame to me privately please
[17:14] <thomasvs> edmack_: like I thought, you have stuff from freshrpms in there
[17:14] <edmack_> Bad?
[17:14] <thomasvs> remove libfame and try again
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[17:14] <thomasvs> edmack_: yeah, mixing repos is bad
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[17:14] <edmack_> ok, but I just found a package libfame-0.9.so.0
[17:14] <thomasvs> edmack_: make a choice, either get stuff from freshrpms and friends, or fedora.us/rpm.livna.org
[17:14] <FuzzyTheBear> morning Gentlemen 
[17:14] <thomasvs> edmack_: don't screw up your system
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[17:15] <edmack_> I had to add freshrpms to get rhythmbox builds
[17:15] <edmack_> ok
[17:15] <thomasvs> edmack_: just make a choice and remove the packages that don't comply, then reinstall from the right repo
[17:15] <edmack_> ok
[17:15] <thomasvs> edmack_: you don't need to get stuff from freshrpms that you can't get from fedora.us for rhythmbox afaik
[17:15] <FuzzyTheBear> I got an error building ... strange looking .. can i post the error  it's about 5 mines 
[17:15] <edmack_> it's for a more recent rhythmbox build
[17:15] <edmack_> fedora.us's doesn't do mp3s
[17:16] <thomasvs> edmack_: what specifically did you need ?
[17:16] <thomasvs> edmack_: rpm.livna.org does
[17:16] <thomasvs> it's down atm, but you can get at it from mirror sites
[17:16] <edmack_> gstreamer-plugins-extra-dvd
[17:16] <edmack_> ok
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[17:16] <edmack_> Do you have a mirror url?
[17:16] <edmack_> I tried livna, but yeah its down
[17:16] <thomasvs> edmack_: so what did you need for rhythmbox that you could not get from our site ?
[17:16] <edmack_> it was actual rhythmbox
[17:16] <thomasvs> ftp.pbone.net/mirror/rpm.livna.org
[17:17] <edmack_> thanks
[17:17] <thomasvs> through ftp
[17:17] <edmack_> does it have the apt get source lines>
[17:17] <FuzzyTheBear> hi thomasvs  ... may i post an error building from CVS ? 
[17:17] <FuzzyTheBear> it's 5 lines  or so .. 
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[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear> ill take that as  a yes :) 
[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear> gtkdoc-mktmpl --module=gstreamer | tee tmpl-build.log
[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear> =============================================================================
[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear> WARNING: 1 unused declarations.
[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear>   These can be found in gstreamer-unused.txt.
[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear>   They should be added to gstreamer-sections.txt in the appropriate place.
[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear> =============================================================================
[17:18] <FuzzyTheBear> make[3]: *** [tmpl-build.stamp] Error 1
[17:19] <FuzzyTheBear> thing is .. in that  file (  and im no expert )  there's a bunch sections and i cant find one  where it seems to naturally fit in... 
[17:19] <FuzzyTheBear> Any good hints will be appreciated . 
[17:19] <FuzzyTheBear> gst_type_is_fixed          is the type 
[17:19] <FuzzyTheBear> sorry  unused  declaration 
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[17:23] <edmack_> thomasvs, is there a way to use that mirror as a source in apt? my attempt failed :(
[17:24] <edmack_> rpm     ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/rpm.livna.org fedora/1/i386 stable
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[17:26] <thomasvs> edmack_: no, the main server is down and will probably be back up tomorrow
[17:26] <edmack_> ok, thanks
[17:27] <FuzzyTheBear> So noone here knows how to fix this rather  showstopping error ? 
[17:28] <Company> FuzzyTheBear: --disable-docs-build
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[17:29] <FuzzyTheBear> well that's a  workaround .. guess that will do for now..  im  buinding jhbuild gnome28.modules..  so  i expect bugs :) ok ... ill try that one :) 
[17:30] <Company> i'm annoyed by gtk-doc deciding what is ok and what is not, so i always build without docs
[17:30] <FuzzyTheBear> ah.. that's a  gtk bug ?  or well kid of bug ? 
[17:30] <thomasvs> Company: it's me who put in the error checking, gtk-doc normally doesn't fail
[17:31] <thomasvs> Company: otherwise we never get our docs back in shape
[17:31] <thomasvs> but maybe I should do it differently than currently
[17:31] <Company> i don't like the fact that you have to rebuild the sgml files anytime
[17:32] <jmmv> speaking about docs, it seems that pregenerated documentation is not shipped in tarballs
[17:33] Action: thomasvs is going to try compile gstreamer on his ia1 machine again
[17:34] <FuzzyTheBear> thomasvs .. if you can check if you got the same  error as i get.. i would be gratefull 
[17:34] <FuzzyTheBear> im  building from CVS 
[17:36] <thomasvs> FuzzyTheBear: lemme check
[17:36] Action: thomasvs has to teach ds to check buildbot once in a while
[17:37] <thomasvs> FuzzyTheBear: looks like I'll have the same problem, our buildbot is stuck on it too
[17:37] <FuzzyTheBear> the recommended  fix  --disable-docs-build  did work.. 
[17:38] <FuzzyTheBear> Great ... at least  we all know what it is now :) 
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[17:51] <flarp> Hi, I'd like to write a gstreamer app that reads from my soundcard's mic input.  Would that be as simple as creating a filesrc from /dev/dsp?
[17:51] <thomasvs> flarp: hm, that might work, but generally you'd use osssrc
[17:51] <flarp> I'm still a little in the dark about the soundcard device files
[17:52] <flarp> thomasvs: ok
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[17:53] <flarp> /dev/dsp can't be opened for both reading and writing at the same time, right?
[17:54] <flarp> as in, if I wanted to read data from the mic and then immediately write data out and read in again I'd have to open and close /dev/dsp a bunch of times, right?
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[17:59] <edmack_> Thanks for the advice thomasvs, I've got rid of the freshrpms stuff and got everything running happily again
[18:00] <FuzzyTheBear> ed .. i had relatively the same trouble for a while.. i was mixing all kinds of rpm's  that were of different origin.. always led to unstable system
[18:00] <FuzzyTheBear> nowadays.. whenever possible i get the source and always compile the same way 
[18:00] <edmack_> I was confused, I thought I had seen somewhere freshrpms was compatable with fedora.us 
[18:01] <edmack_> I'm on a fresh fedora install, so I really want to keep everything nice and clean :)
[18:01] <edmack_> Although, I have to compile mono stuff
[18:01] <FuzzyTheBear> well  it's the mix  were talking about ..  ex  if you got  some  from  freshrpm's  then  pbone.. then others .. mix in a lil mandrake  rpm .. and  you got disaster 
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[18:02] <edmack_> yeah, that sums up my old redhat box :d
[18:02] <FuzzyTheBear> rofl 
[18:02] <FuzzyTheBear> :) we al been there i guess 
[18:02] <edmack_> yup
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[18:03] <edmack_> At least I learnt my lesson.. only took dependancy problems worse than any drug addict I know
[18:04] <FuzzyTheBear> it's a matter of  staying calm.. :) that's the key..  some packs are terrible.. 
[18:04] <FuzzyTheBear> that is .. if you're like me ..  you're pulling hair out after the 4 th dep  of  5th :))
[18:04] Action: edmack_ hugs apt-get and invites others
[18:05] <edmack_> Is there any way I can cancel my NickServ registration? I've no idea what my password is
[18:05] <edmack_> now I'm damned to a _
[18:06] <FuzzyTheBear> i beleive   /msg NickServ DROP nick pass 
[18:07] <edmack_> doesn't work
[18:07] <edmack_> (notice) The nickname [edmack_] is not registered
[18:08] <thomasvs> FuzzyTheBear,edmack: using packages from one source is the best way
[18:08] <FuzzyTheBear> i totally agree :) 
[18:08] <thomasvs> mixing stuff is bad unless you know what you're doing, compiling from source is a waste of time unless you really need to
[18:09] <edmack_> I only was mixing the ones fedora.us said I could :)
[18:09] <thomasvs> Company: why is gst_type_is_fixed in gstvalue.c ?
[18:10] <edmack_> Totem's default is to have the hue setting wrong.. scared the bejesus out of me
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[18:27] <tlg> hmmm, I'm trying to register on of my own plugin (gstreamer-0.8.1) and my plugin doesn't show off
[18:27] <tlg> is there a way to debug to find out what is wrong
[18:33] <thomasvs> tlg: --gst-debug=*:5
[18:33] <thomasvs> enjoy :)
[18:33] Action: tlg : hiiiihaaaaa
[18:34] <tlg> what are the allowed licenses ?
[18:35] <tlg> for plugins
[18:37] <tlg> found it
[18:37] <tlg> right into the code
[18:38] <CompIBook> gst-register --gst-debug=GST_PLUGIN_*:5 might help
[18:41] <tlg> thanks, the problem was related to the license not being recognised by gstreamer
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[18:57] <iain> I get the most random emails related to my menu drop shadow patch 
[18:58] <iain> usually from someone who can't speak english very well, so I can never work out what they really mean
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[19:06] <CompIBook> hehe
[19:07] <CompIBook> iain: shouldn't all those people use the f.d.o server now?
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[19:18] <iain> thats what i told him :)
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[19:23] <Company> thomasvs: it's in gstvalue.c because it belongs to the GstValue stuff
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[19:24] <iain> I wanted to do some recording on my laptop this week, but my sister is taking it away to uni with her :/
[19:24] <spyder482> what lib/code is required for the mpeg2enc plugin?
[19:30] <Company> mjpegtools
[19:33] <spyder482> hmm
[19:33] <spyder482> configure doesn't enable it
[19:33] <spyder482> is there something special i need to do?
[19:35] <spyder482> nm
[19:39] <Company> read configure.ac and config.log
[19:40] <iain> hmm, I should record a sound for Marlin's about box
[19:41] <iain> just to be annoying
[19:43] <iain> Is "Sample Information" a better name for "Sample Properties" if the dialog tells you things like track name, artist, sample rate etc?
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[19:44] <Company> why not just "Information" ?
[19:45] <Company> sample is obvious, isn't it ;)
[19:45] <iain> yeah
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[19:48] <tlg_> is ther anything close to gst_caps_get_int ()
[19:48] <tlg_> that was from 0.6.x
[19:48] <Company> gst_structure_get_int
[19:48] <Company> for the structure contained in the caps
[19:49] <tlg_> ok
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[19:51] <tlg_> something like that :
[19:51] <tlg_> gst_structure_get_int (gst_caps_get_structure (caps), "rate",
[19:51] <tlg_>                          &filter->rate);
[19:52] <Company> yeah
[19:52] <tlg_> taa
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[19:53] <tlg_> hmmm I nedd an index as well
[19:54] <Company> yeah, 0 probably
[19:55] <Company> indexes > 0 are only needed for unfixed caps
[19:55] <tlg_> I'll try that
[19:56] <benow> wtay_ around?
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[20:02] <tlg_> works fine, thanks
[20:02] Nick change: tlg_ -> tlg
[20:15] <Tack> Does anyone know the fourcc for YV12 plus alpha channel?  I have planar YUV+A (4:2:0:4) but I don't quite know what to call it :)
[20:17] <Tack> It might be called YVA121 :)
[20:20] <Company> just invent a mime type
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[20:24] <iain> does anyone know why wavparse has an GST_ELEMENT_ERROR set at line 734?
[20:25] <tlg> the spider doens't support to change location without being deplug/repluged ?
[20:25] <iain> (gstwavparse.c)
[20:34] <iain> Company: another crash in entry
[20:34] <iain> ** ERROR **: file entryscheduler.c: line 941 (gst_entry_scheduler_yield): assertion failed: (ELEMENT_PRIVATE (element))
[20:34] <iain> aborting...
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[20:51] <Tack> jdahlin: 'lo.
[20:51] <jdahlin> Tack: evening/afternoon
[20:52] <Tack> It's afternoon here. :)
[20:52] Action: jdahlin wasn't sure
[20:52] <Tack> Don't suppose you know if there exists a fourcc value for planar 4:2:0:4, eh?
[20:52] <jdahlin> already nine here
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[20:52] <jdahlin> planar 4204?
[20:52] <Tack> Yeah, basically YV12 + alpha.
[20:52] <jdahlin> no, I don't know a lot about fourcc'
[20:53] <Tack> I can't find any reference to it, so I invented YVA121. :)
[20:53] <jdahlin> heh
[20:54] <jdahlin> are you going to push it to the ISO committee?
[20:54] <Tack> No :)
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[21:17] <Company> fourcc values aren't really managed
[21:17] <Company> everybody just choses one
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[21:44] Action: thomasvs is bound for moo moo land
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[21:49] <ds> I HATE SOLARIS
[21:50] <Company> then make it work on windoze first
[21:50] <ds> it is already supposed to run on Solaris
[21:50] <ds> I'm trying to do simple things, like run jhbuild
[21:51] <Company> jhbuild is supposed to be simple?
[21:51] <ds> :)
[21:51] <ds> but no, I need python
[21:51] <ds> does solaris have python?  no
[21:52] <Company> solaris is not an open source oriented operating system
[21:52] <Company> they use open source, but they try to hide it
[21:52] <Company> it's frustrating at the university
[21:53] <Company> you know it's unix, but nothing works
[21:53] <jmmv> indeed
[21:53] <ds> the fact that all the utilities are old and slightly broken is only minorly annoying
[21:53] <Company> add to that that i needed two weeks to get to someone who changed my default shell to bash
[21:54] <Company> s/changed/knew how to change/
[21:54] <jmmv> hmm how you do that?
[21:54] <ds> chsh
[21:54] <ds> and add the shell to /etc/shells if it's not there
[21:54] <jmmv> hmm I think I tried...
[21:54] <ds> although chsh might be different with NIS
[21:55] <Company> chsh was disabled
[21:55] <jmmv> command not found
[21:55] <jmmv> should be disabled/not available in this box
[21:55] Action: ds is not surprised
[21:55] <jmmv> s/this box/university box/
[21:56] <Company> lol
[21:56] <Company> that's at least a bit funny
[21:56] <Company> VIRUS IN MAIL FOR YOU (from: <[email protected]>)
[22:00] <Company> argh
[22:01] <Company> gnome-common
[22:02] <Company> that thing is so broken i might even switch to solaris
[22:02] <Company> why can't gnome use gst-autogen instead of installing gnome-autogen into some broken dir
[22:03] <Company> /usr/share/aclocal/gnome-macros/autogen.sh just plain sucks
[22:03] <Company> (especially because it forces use of automake-1.4 and aclocal-1.4
[22:03] <Company> )
[22:04] <ds> gnome needs to run away from 1.4
[22:04] <ds> fast
[22:05] <Company> well, i solved the problem by doing ln -s aclocal aclocal-1.4
[22:05] <Misirlou> gnome-common needs to die too
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[22:05] <Makki_FT> hi BBB
[22:05] <jmmv> from 1.4... only?
[22:05] <BBB> ola
[22:06] <ds> from eveything that isn't compatible with libtool-1.5, yes
[22:06] <ds> but gnome should run (>= slowly) from 1.5, 1.6, and 1.7
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[22:07] <jmmv> well, I would like to "run away from auto*" ;)
[22:07] <Company> feel free to do it the XFree way
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[22:08] <jmmv> no no, that may be worse
[22:08] <Company> i'll move away from autotools when there's another system that does what autotools do
[22:08] <ds> the _only_ thing that makes autotools good is that it technically solves the build problem
[22:08] <Company> autotools are very impressive
[22:08] <jmmv> which ones have you checked?
[22:08] <Company> they're very ugly, too
[22:09] <ds> and that it sucks least of the set of build tools that solve the problem
[22:09] <Company> what other build tools solve the problem?
[22:09] <ds> what is the solaris equivalent of /etc/resolv/conf?
[22:09] <jmmv> buildtool, pmk, scons
[22:10] <Company> never heard of those
[22:10] <jmmv> I use the former; mainly because it's mine ;)
[22:10] <alley_cat> the problem with scons is that it introduces a compile time python dependency
[22:11] <Company> that's not a problem
[22:11] <alley_cat> at least auto* only need other tools to generate the configure script, the rest is shell scrips
[22:11] <Company> i wouldn't call that an advantage per se...
[22:11] <jmmv> and imho, distributing pregenerated scripts is bad
[22:12] <Company> i'd be fine with an app that did the install instead of creating scripts
[22:12] <Company> like make
[22:13] <alley_cat> scons aims to replace both auto* and make, no idea how well it works though
[22:13] <jmmv> buildtool replaces those too, including make; and all from shell scripts and without generating any files
[22:13] <jmmv> biaw, going to have dinner
[22:14] <Company> someone switch gst to a different build system - we'll see how good that works :)
[22:14] <alley_cat> hehe
[22:16] <thomasvs> ds: you do use that software repo for solaris that has solaris packages right ?
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[22:17] <thomasvs> Company: gnome-autogen doesn't require am14
[22:17] <thomasvs> Company: you can set some env vars to make it ask for a whole bunch of versions
[22:18] <ds> thomasvs: Solaris comes in such a broken state, I can't even use that yet
[22:18] <thomasvs> ds: what version of it are you running ?
[22:19] <thomasvs> ds: I setup 9 once, and it was doable to get a lot of stuff just from that site with packages
[22:19] <thomasvs> http://sunfreeware.com/
[22:19] <ds> 9
[22:20] <ds> yes, I use sunfreeware, but it's a problem when the system never got configured to bring up the ethernet interface by default
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[22:27] <ds> how cute, gstreamer is in sunfreeware
[22:29] <thomasvs> Zeenix: I'm halfway through that template tarball for docbook
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[22:30] <Zeenix> thomasvs: good, but i've converted it to xml (docbook v4.2), would'nt that be better?
[22:31] <thomasvs> Zeenix: yours ? yeah, sure
[22:31] <Zeenix> thomasvs: the one i gave you was sgml (docbook v3.x) i remember
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[22:32] <Zeenix> thomasvs: email?
[22:34] <thomasvs> Zeenix: mine ?
[22:34] <thomasvs> same as always :)
[22:34] <Zeenix> yeah
[22:34] <thomasvs> thomas at apestaart dot org
[22:34] <ds> why do we fail on documentation warnings?
[22:35] <thomasvs> ds: so it shows up in buildbot and people correct it when they messed with it
[22:35] <thomasvs> instead of doing an ugly fix two months later
[22:35] <thomasvs> it could be improved though
[22:35] <Zeenix> thomasvs: i remember we had a whose-who page, which used to make the job a lot easier
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[22:35] <thomasvs> Zeenix: yeah, I've been thinking for a nice way to bring that back
[22:36] <Zeenix> thomasvs: that 'aa' in apestaart is normal or a typo?
[22:37] <thomasvs> normal
[22:37] <ds> thomasvs: like, say, not failing in releases?
[22:37] <Company> easiest way to get emails of püeople is to look into the CHangeLog
[22:37] <thomasvs> ds: for example
[22:38] <Zeenix> thomasvs: sent
[22:38] <thomasvs> ds: as soon as I can be arsed to do it
[22:39] <Tack> thomasvs: I've done some optimizations and I'm going to try writing a bmovl2 output filter for mplayer, just as a proof (or disproof) of concept. :)
[22:39] <Tack> I actually think it'll work.
[22:40] Action: Tack might just have too much free time.
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[22:42] <thomasvs> Tack: hm, so what is acutally going to output stuff then ?
[22:42] <Zeenix> thomasvs: as it's howto, does'nt it belong to LDP as well?
[22:44] <Tack> thomasvs: mplayer.  One mplayer talks to another, basically.   It actually solves a couple problems (like only one process can grab the primary xv overlay), but also with some presumably simple -vf scale hacks, it would let me do that zooming video effect.
[22:45] <Tack> But mostly it's just an experiment. :)
[22:54] Action: Zeenix is sick and tired of the stupid kernel build problems
[23:03] <jmmv> hmm... "Failed to construct pipeline for 'XWindows (X11/Shm/Xc)'", when hitting the 'test' button in the gstreamer preferences dialog...
[23:03] <jmmv> what can be missing?
[23:05] <jdahlin> Tack, so when are you going to try out your wicked ideas with gstreamer?
[23:05] <Tack> jdahlin: That's the game plan, yep.
[23:06] <Tack> But since I understand mplayer better (and, umm, it crashes less :)), I'm mostly just prototyping stuff using it.
[23:06] <jdahlin> It's not a crash, it's a feature
[23:06] <Tack> Oops, my bad. :)
[23:06] Action: jdahlin notes that gstreamer has lots of ehum features
[23:06] <jdahlin> "flexible multimedia framework"
[23:06] <Tack> It's perhaps the most featureful software on my computer.
[23:06] <ds> you're just using the wrong media files
[23:07] <ds> if you'd only watch GStreamer Approved (tm) media, all would be ok
[23:07] <Tack> ds: Reminds me of that Jim Carrey karate sketch when he tries to show how to defend against a knife and gets stabbed.  "Like most beginners, you are attacking wrong."
[23:08] <jmmv> ds so... where can I get a video that should work, to help me debugging?
[23:10] <ds> GStremeamer Approved media is anything that plays in gst-player
[23:10] <ds> :)
[23:12] <alley_cat> gst-launch-0.8 avimux name=mux ! filesink location=bla.avi { filesrc location=pinguin.mpeg ! mpegdemux name=demux } ! { queue ! mpeg2dec ! ffenc_mpeg4 ! queue ! mux.video_00 } { demux. ! queue ! mad ! lame ! queue ! mux.audio_00 } <= why does this pipeline work wwith xvidenc but fail with ffenc_mpeg4?
[23:12] <ds> Company: do you have your heart set on writing an audiosink base class, or shall I write it (since I need it today)
[23:12] <Company> ds: go ahead
[23:12] <jmmv> well, I want such a video... I haven't been able to see anything with gstreamer yet (audio works, though)
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[23:21] <markey> hey BBB 
[23:21] <BBB> hi
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[00:30] <jgeorgeson> when I launch totem, /var/log/messages reports that sound-slot-1 can't be loaded, but I've only ever had a sound-slot-0 configured in /etc/modules.conf, and it is working fine (with xmms)
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[00:58] <Tack> thomasvs: So, it works pretty well.  There are some sync issues under high CPU usage (because there's no way for the output plugin to know when the display has synced the frame yet), but that's fixable.   http://sault.org/~tack/mebox/vo_bmovl2.png -- since the video is just another layer, I can apply positioning, zindex, and alpha to it.
[01:01] <walters> Tack: is that gstreamer-based?
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[01:02] <Tack> walters: No.  Not yet anyway.
[01:02] <walters> ah, ok.
[01:10] <Zeenix> thomasvs: still at it?
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[01:42] <mathrick> nite
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[02:26] <Octane> D:\Music\Anthony Hamilton\Comin' From Where I'm From\02. Cornbread, Fish & Collard Greens.mp3, I get a caps error on that file w/ gstreamer
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[02:39] <thomasvs> Octane: you're using it on windows ?
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[02:45] <Octane> nonono, from a windows box
[02:45] <Octane> my mp3's are
[02:45] <Octane> there
[02:46] <thomasvs> ok, file a bug, with all relevant info, and the extra debug output from that caps error
[02:49] <Octane> alrighty, will do
[02:49] <Octane> where is bug reporting? at the site?
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