Re: Animation for Television
"Kevin Tureski" <Kevin.Tureski-1QkGJYM4wCNWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:31:02 -0400
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Sorry ... I need to jump in here. See my comments in bold (I hope).
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> one good reason i see for using a mac, beyond the codec being
available
> and easy to install, is that Autodesk will more easily support your
> hardware on the mac (ie: on windows, you have to have a very specific
> card, with OpenGL support, etc...). from what i understand, all the
MACs
> out there support GL out of the box. support, if you are paying for
it,
> would be useless if you didn't use "supported hardware". getting that
> hardware to work is extremely easy on a mac, not so much on a linux
box
> (have to have a very specific distro, version, etc)
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The graphics card drivers on the Mac are rolled into OS X and are
controlled / released by Apple directly (and only Apple). Apple insists
on doing it this way in order to ensure that "out of the box experience"
that you refer to.
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Autodesk/Alias only "officially" support quadro cards because there
are a limited number of them. Otherwise they would have to test the
500 different consumer cards that come out every 6 months which isn't
practical.
That's certainly part of the reason but not the entire story.
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In reality Maya and all the other pro software work just fine with
generic geforce consumer cards and the proper driver. I hae worked
for many companies with them under both linux and windows and haven't
had any support issues. Same with the linux distro. Current company
I work for uses Debian, others used Ubuntu, Gentoo, Mandrake, etc...
Again no issues not using the "officially supported" distribution.
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And that's not strictly correct. We are aware of some issues with
"consumer" level cards and are working on our code, and ATI / NVIDIA are
working on their drivers to resolve them. Check out the online
qualification charts for the gory details. These cards are of specific
interest to game developers working on titles for the XBOX360 and/or the
PS3 so we're not ignoring these issues.=20
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http://www.alias.com/eng/support/maya/qualified_hardware/QUAL/maya_85_li
nux.html
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You'll see specific reference to video cards that don't support h/w
overlays, for example. And yes, Maya ought to run just fine on distros
that are "equivalent" to the ones we officially support (again, refer to
the qual chart which specifies the kernel, glibc, OpenMotif, libGLU and
compiler versions / options etc), but it is "caveat emptor" if you
choose to do so. Given sufficient Linux expertise, many shops do so
without issue. Smaller places without that knowledge can get themselves
into a heap of trouble that our Hotline folks simply cannot help out
with.
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Kevin
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Kevin Tureski
Autodesk Canada Co.
Director, Product Development
Toronto, Ontario M5A 1J7
Media & Entertainment
210 King Street East
416 874-8341 (Direct)
(Fax) 416 369-6156
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Sorry ... I need to jump in here. See my comments in bold (I =
hope).</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> one good reason i see for using a mac, beyond the codec =
being
available<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> and easy to install, is that Autodesk will more easily =
support
your<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> hardware on the mac (ie: on windows, you have to have a =
very
specific<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> card, with OpenGL support, etc...). from what i understand, =
all
the MACs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> out there support GL out of the box. support, if you are =
paying
for it,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> would be useless if you didn't use "supported =
hardware".
getting that<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> hardware to work is extremely easy on a mac, not so much on =
a
linux box<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>> (have to have a very specific distro, version, =
etc)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><b><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier =
New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:bold'>The graphics =
card drivers
on the Mac are rolled into OS X and are controlled / released by Apple =
directly
(and only Apple). Apple insists on doing it this way in order to ensure =
that
"out of the box experience" that you refer =
to.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Autodesk/Alias only "officially" support quadro cards =
because
there<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>are a limited number of them. Otherwise they would have to =
test
the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>500 different consumer cards that come out every 6 months which =
isn't<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>practical.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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New"><span
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That’s certainly part of the reason but not the entire =
story.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>In reality Maya and all the other pro software work just fine =
with<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>generic geforce consumer cards and the proper driver. I =
hae
worked<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>for many companies with them under both linux and windows and =
haven't<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>had any support issues. Same with the linux distro. =
Current
company<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>I work for uses Debian, others used Ubuntu, Gentoo, Mandrake, =
etc...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Again no issues not using the "officially supported"
distribution.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoPlainText><b><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'><o:p> </o:p></span></fon=
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><b><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold'>And that’s not =
strictly
correct. We are aware of some issues with “consumer” level =
cards
and are working on our code, and ATI / NVIDIA are working on their =
drivers to
resolve them. Check out the online qualification charts for the gory =
details. These
cards are of specific interest to game developers working on titles for =
the
XBOX360 and/or the PS3 so we’re not ignoring these issues. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:black;font-weight:bold'>You’ll see =
specific
reference to video cards that don’t support h/w overlays, for =
example. And
yes, Maya ought to run just fine on distros that are =
“equivalent”
to the ones we officially support (again, refer to the qual chart which
specifies the kernel, glibc, OpenMotif, libGLU and compiler versions / =
options
etc), but it is “caveat emptor” if you choose to do so. =
Given
sufficient Linux expertise, many shops do so without issue. Smaller =
places without
that knowledge can get themselves into a heap of trouble that our =
Hotline folks
simply cannot help out with.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></p>
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