Re: CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD
Nick Porcino <[email protected]> Sat, 14 Jul 2018 03:57:53 +0000
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--===============2959791953357716870== Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CY4PR16MB1670369D5EEA77AE33AE3D97A45F0CY4PR16MB1670namp_" --_000_CY4PR16MB1670369D5EEA77AE33AE3D97A45F0CY4PR16MB1670namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not off the top of my head. I went to the individual package manager pages = for Debian, Ubuntu, and Suse. https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=3Dcmake https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=3Dcmake&searchon=3Dnames https://software.opensuse.org/package/cmake The reason I picked those three is that their maintainers are fairly vocal = about reporting issues in OpenEXR, specially versus older versions of gcc. ________________________________ From: Larry Gritz <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:46 PM To: Nick Porcino Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Openexr-devel] CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD Certainly makes sense to me. My personal preference for VFXPlatform is to b= e somewhat conservative about how often you upgrade a heavyweight package, = but when you finally do (or introduce a package for the first time, as with= cmake), to be as aggressive as possible about getting to the most recent s= table version. How do you know all those versions off the top of your head? Is there a sit= e that will tell you the version of a particular package on all the major d= istros? (That would sure be handy.) On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Nick Porcino <[email protected]<mailto:meshu= [email protected]>> wrote: To be honest, it's the Linux distros that also ship openexr that had me cri= nging. Debian wheezy (2.8) Debian stretch (3.7.2) * stable Debian buster (3.11.2) Ubuntu trusty (2.8) Ubuntu xenial (3.5.1) * stable Ubuntu cosmic (3.11.2) Suse tumbleweed (3.11.2) * stable Any other distros to check? I can't see any reason not to leap ahead to 3.11, because (1) versions less= than 3.11 are very broken on Windows with regards to the combination of re= cent visual studios and boost and (2) a new OpenEXR on a Linux will ship wi= th a distro containing at least 3.11. Make sense? ________________________________ From: Larry Gritz <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 4:11 PM To: Nick Porcino Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Openexr-devel] CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD I don't see why we would have to preserve 2.x compatibility. USD seems to n= eed CMake 3.1 on Windows. OpenVDB needs 3.1. OIIO and OSL both require 3.2.= Partio requires 3.8! So lack of support for 2.x would be in good company = with other widely used packages. A few people have commented on the VFX Platform forum that it should includ= e a minimum cmake release, so that package maintainers can count on some re= asonable minimum. On Jul 13, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Nick Porcino <[email protected]<mailto:meshu= [email protected]>> wrote: The develop branch of OpenEXR uses CMake 3 features. So that line is an err= or. I hadn't thought about it, but it's troubling* to think that we might have = to preserve compatibility with CMake 2.x * troubling =3D=3D sobbing in terror in the corner as the shambling revenan= t shadow of CMake 2 groans and lurches forward belching broken features and= ad hoc syntax ________________________________ From: Openexr-devel <[email protected]= <mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf = of Larry Gritz <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 11:47 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [Openexr-devel] CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD Is anybody troubled by the fact that the OpenEXR CMakeLists.txt starts with CMAKE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED(VERSION 2.8) but then makes use of CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD, which was only introduced with CM= ake 3.1? So I think that if anybody actually uses CMake < 3.1, it will just silently= fail to provide the right -std=3Dc++XX flags. -- Larry Gritz [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> _______________________________________________ Openexr-devel mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/openexr-devel -- Larry Gritz [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> -- Larry Gritz [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> --_000_CY4PR16MB1670369D5EEA77AE33AE3D97A45F0CY4PR16MB1670namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"= > <style type=3D"text/css" style=3D"display:none;"> P {margin-top:0;margin-bo= ttom:0;} </style> </head> <body dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> Not off the top of my head. I went to the individual package manager pages = for Debian, Ubuntu, and Suse.</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <a href=3D"https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=3Dcmake" id=3D"LPlnk= 430806">https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=3Dcmake</a><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <a href=3D"https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=3Dcmake&searchon= =3Dnames" id=3D"LPlnk543187">https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=3D= cmake&searchon=3Dnames</a><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <a href=3D"https://software.opensuse.org/package/cmake" id=3D"LPNoLP340986"= >https://software.opensuse.org/package/cmake</a><br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> The reason I picked those three is that their maintainers are fairly v= ocal about reporting issues in OpenEXR, specially versus older versions of = gcc.</div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;= color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <br> </div> <hr style=3D"display:inline-block;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1"> <div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" st= yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Larry Gritz <lg@la= rrygritz.com><br> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 13, 2018 4:46 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Nick Porcino<br> <b>Cc:</b> [email protected]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Openexr-devel] CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD</font> <div> </div> </div> <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii"> <div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space= "> <div class=3D"">Certainly makes sense to me. My personal preference for VFX= Platform is to be somewhat conservative about how often you upgrade a heavy= weight package, but when you finally do (or introduce a package for the fir= st time, as with cmake), to be as aggressive as possible about getting to the most recent stable version.</d= iv> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> How do you know all those versions off the top of your head? Is there a sit= e that will tell you the version of a particular package on all the major d= istros? (That would sure be handy.) <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""> <div><br class=3D""> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <div class=3D"">On Jul 13, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Nick Porcino <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</di= v> <br class=3D"x_Apple-interchange-newline"> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> To be honest, it's the Linux distros that also ship openexr that had me cri= nging.</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Debian wheezy (2.8)</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Debian stretch (3.7.2) * stable</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Debian buster (3.11.2)</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Ubuntu trusty (2.8)</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Ubuntu xenial (3.5.1) * stable</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-si= ze:12pt">Ubuntu cosmic (3.11.2</span><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:= Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">)</span><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Suse tumbleweed (3.11.2) * stable</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Any other distros to check?</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> I can't see any reason not to leap ahead to 3.11, because (1) versions less= than 3.11 are very broken on Windows with regards to the combination of re= cent visual studios and boost and (2) a new OpenEXR on a Linux will ship wi= th a distro containing at least 3.11.</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> Make sense?</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14= px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-alig= n:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spa= cing:0px; text-decoration:none; display:inline-block; width:702.65625px"> <span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14px; font-style= :normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-= indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text= -decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important"></span> <div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Hel= vetica; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spaci= ng:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-sp= ace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none"> <font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b c= lass=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>Lar= ry Gritz <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">lg@larrygritz.= com</a>><br class=3D""> <b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D"x_Apple-converted-space"> </span= >Friday, July 13, 2018 4:11 PM<br class=3D""> <b class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>N= ick Porcino<br class=3D""> <b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><= a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">openexr-devel@nongnu.= org</a><br class=3D""> <b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span class=3D"x_Apple-converted-space"> </s= pan>Re: [Openexr-devel] CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD</font> <div class=3D""> </div> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14px; font-style:= normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-i= ndent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-= decoration:none; word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space"> I don't see why we would have to preserve 2.x compatibility. USD seems to n= eed CMake 3.1 on Windows. OpenVDB needs 3.1. OIIO and OSL both require= 3.2. Partio requires 3.8! So lack of support for 2.x would be i= n good company with other widely used packages. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">A few people have commented on the VFX Platform forum that = it should include a minimum cmake release, so that package maintainers can = count on some reasonable minimum. </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <div class=3D"">On Jul 13, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Nick Porcino <<a href=3D"ma= ilto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</di= v> <br class=3D"x_x_Apple-interchange-newline"> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> The develop branch of OpenEXR uses CMake 3 features. So that line is an err= or.</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> I hadn't thought about it, but it's troubling* to think that we might have = to preserve compatibility with CMake 2.x</div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spac= ing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-s= pace:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:Calibri,He= lvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt"> <br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14px; font-style:= normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-i= ndent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-= decoration:none"> <font face=3D"Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=3D"">* troubling =3D=3D= sobbing in terror in the corner as the shambling revenant shadow of C= Make 2 groans and lurches forward belching broken features and ad hoc synta= x</font></div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14px; font-style:= normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-i= ndent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-= decoration:none"> <font face=3D"Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=3D""><br class=3D""> </font></div> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14px; font-style:= normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-i= ndent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-= decoration:none"> <font face=3D"Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif" class=3D""><br class=3D""> </font></div> <hr tabindex=3D"-1" class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14= px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-alig= n:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spa= cing:0px; text-decoration:none; display:inline-block; width:702.65625px"> <span class=3D"x_Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class=3D"" style= =3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:n= ormal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-trans= form:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; floa= t:none; display:inline!important"></span><span class=3D"x_Apple-converted-s= pace"> </span> <div id=3D"x_x_divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:H= elvetica; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spa= cing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-= space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none"> <font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b c= lass=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D"x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span>O= penexr-devel <<a href=3D"mailto:openexr-devel-bounces+meshula=3Dhotm= [email protected]" class=3D"">openexr-devel-bounces+meshula=3Dhotmail.= [email protected]</a>> on behalf of Larry Gritz <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D= "">[email protected]</a>><br class=3D""> <b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D"x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </sp= an>Friday, July 13, 2018 11:47 AM<br class=3D""> <b class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"x_x_Apple-converted-space"> </span= ><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">openexr-devel@nongn= u.org</a><br class=3D""> <b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span class=3D"x_x_Apple-converted-space"> <= /span>[Openexr-devel] CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD</font> <div class=3D""> </div> </div> <div class=3D"x_x_BodyFragment" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; font-size:1= 4px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-ali= gn:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-sp= acing:0px; text-decoration:none"> <font size=3D"2" class=3D""><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:11pt"> <div class=3D"x_x_PlainText">Is anybody troubled by the fact that the OpenE= XR CMakeLists.txt starts with<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> CMAKE_MINIMUM_REQUIRED(VERSION 2.8)<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> but then makes use of CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD, which was only introduced with CM= ake 3.1?<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> So I think that if anybody actually uses CMake < 3.1, it will just silen= tly fail to provide the right -std=3Dc++XX flags.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> --<br class=3D""> Larry Gritz<br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a><br cl= ass=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> _______________________________________________<br class=3D""> Openexr-devel mailing list<br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">Openexr-devel@nongnu= .org</a><br class=3D""> <a href=3D"https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/openexr-devel" class= =3D"">https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/openexr-devel</a></div> </span></font></div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br class=3D""> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D"" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"> <div class=3D"" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica; 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