Re: zaurus turns off when picogui running

Peter Hermsdorf <[email protected]> Wed, 28 May 2003 16:02:53 +0200
Newsgroups gmane.comp.video.picogui.devel
Message-ID <[email protected]>
btw: i'm away till monday........because of replying

Peter Hermsdorf wrote:

> i don`t think that my configuration files are different that the ones 
> you can download here they are.
>
> that are only the ones for pg-fonts and pg-server since that are the 
> only parts i compiled using the buildroot of OZ.
>
> some points i remeber which helped:
>
> - the original pg-fonts makefile didn`t copied the *.ttf files to the 
> correct psoition. i then looked to the cvs and an older version did 
> that (i think this is because the picogui package files of OZ are not 
> up to date...) ... the makefile i included does copy the ttf files 
> (thatswhy sources-fonts.... should be the font directory in the 
> sources directory of OZ)
> - another thing: compile one after another. try to compile OZ without 
> picogui, then only with pg-fonts (use make menuconfig) look for 
> errors. sometimes the build process does not stop even if there were 
> error and try to fix them.
> then try to compile pgserver using buildroot and again look for 
> errors. i had several errors with libtool not found . i then editted 
> the pgserver makefile in build/pgserver manually to not use ./libtool 
> but to use just libtool. then do a make install DESTDIR=yourdestdir 
> (for the correct syntax look into the pgserver makefile of OZ in the 
> packages dir.....this often helps much......then, if you think your 
> manual install is ok, just put a .pgserver-install under the stamps 
> dir (the buildroot would normally do that for you.....if it would 
> compile pgserver successfull.....)
>
> ...... dunno if anyone understands what i`m writing.....:).....anyway:
> conclusion: try to do the same as packages/pgserver/Makefile manually 
> :)........
>
> in the file i send you, you have my sources/fonts directory and the 
> packages/pgserver and packages/fonts dir
> hope that helps you somehow.
>
> good luck,
> peter
>
>
>
> Eric Heinemann wrote:
>
>> Only the configuration files(i.e. Makefile for each picogui part 
>> used, and maybe any of those scripts you made that helped).  My head 
>> is starting to hurt from all of this banging.  I appreciate it.
>>  
>> Eric
>>
>> */Peter Hermsdorf <[email protected]>/* wrote:
>>
>>     because of the size i can`t share the whole buildroot, but which
>>     files/dirs do you want ?
>>
>>     Eric Heinemann wrote:
>>
>>     > I don't suppose you'd be willing to share your configuration and
>>     > Makefiles used for PicoGUI w/OZ buildroot? I've tried and no 
>> matter
>>     > what I keep getting the same error.
>>     >
>>     > Eric
>>     >
>>     > */Peter Hermsdorf /* wrote:
>>     >
>>     > i had the same problem when compiling pgserver standalone (0.45).
>>     > i could solve that problem, by using the OZ buildroot version 
>> (from
>>     > cvs). i dunno why that worked, but it worked :)
>>     > but using this approach i got some other minor error, but i was
>>     > able to
>>     > fix them manually (e.g. libtool path was incorrect etc...)
>>     >
>>     > peter
>>     >
>>     > Eric Heinemann wrote:
>>     >
>>     > >The problem is I am getting the err! or about undefined
>>     > >symbols against freetype when using the oz buildroot.
>>     > >Here is where it is failing for me on pgserver:
>>     > >
>>     > >arm-linux-gcc
>>     > >-I/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/include
>>     > >-I/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/usr/X11R6/include
>>     > >-I/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/target/include
>>     > >-fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -O2
>>     > >-march=armv4 -mtune=strongarm1100 -mapcs-32
>>     > >-I/home/spyder/source/o! z/output/staging/include/freetype
>>     > >-I/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/include
>>     > >-I/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/include/freetype2
>>     > >-O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -Wl,-rpath-link
>>     > >-Wl,/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/target/lib
>>     > >-Wl,-rpath-link
>>     > >-Wl,/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/usr/X11R6/lib
>>     > >-o pgserver pgmain.o
>>     > >-L/home/spyder/source/oz/out! put/staging/target/lib
>>     > >-L/home/spyder/source/oz/output/sta ging/usr/X11R6/lib
>>     > >./.libs/libpgserver.a /usr/lib/libfreetype.so
>>     > >/usr/lib/libjpeg.so -lpng
>>     > >-L/home/spyder/source/oz/output/staging/lib -lz -lm
>>     > >-lfreetype -ljpeg
>>     > >/usr/lib/libfreetype.so: could not read symbols:
>>     > >Invalid operation
>>     > >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>>     > >make[4]: *** [pgserver] Error 1
>>     > >make[4]: Leaving directory
>>     > >`/home/spyder/source/oz/build/pg-server'
>>     > >make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>>     > >make[3]: Leaving directory!
>>     > >`/home/spyder/source/oz/build/pg-server'
>>     > >make[2]: *** [ all] Error 2
>>     > >make[2]: Leaving directory
>>     > >`/home/spyder/source/oz/build/pg-server'
>>     > >make[1]: ***
>>     > >[/home/spyder/source/oz/stamps/.pg-server.binary]
>>     > >Error 2
>>     > >make[1]: Leaving directory
>>     > >`/home/spyder/source/oz/packages/pg-server'
>>     > >make: *** [packag! es/pg-server] Error 2
>>     > >
>>     > >I don't know what else to try. It seems like it is
>>     > >locating the wrong libfreetype. I am unsure how to
>>     > >make it find the right one. Thanks for the help so
>>     > >far.
>>     > >
>>     > >Eric
>>     > >
>>     > >
>>     > >
>>     > >
>>     > >--- Peter Hermsdorf
>>     > >wrote:
>>     > >
>>     > >
>>     > >>hi eric,
>>     > >>
>>     > >>with the -l option you mean the locatin of the
>>     > >>libraries for the linker !?
>>     > >>since i`m not that familiar with makefiles i created
>>     > >>a little shell
>>     > >>script for compiling my app. the command line for
>>     > >>the linking is:
>>     > >>
>>     > >>arm-li! nux-gcc meineapp.o comio.o libpgui.a -o
>>     > >>handleser
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >-L/home/peter/buildroot-neu/buildroot-oz/output/staging/usr/lib
>>     >! >
>>     > >
>>     > >>where the path after -L is the loca tion of the arm
>>     > >>libs......
>>     > >>another possibility is, to use the LDFLAGS
>>     > >>environment variable. e.g.
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     >
>>     
>> >LDFLAGS="-L/home/peter/buildroot-neu/buildroot-oz_neu/output/build/pg-cli_c/src/.libs" 
>>
>>     > >
>>     > >
>>     > >>hope that helps you.
>>     > >>
>>     > >>btw:
>>     > >>i tried compiling picogui-0.45 for arm "manually"
>>     > >>and then just copy the
>>     > >>pgserver into the buildroot/output . but that didn`t
>>     > >>worked for me,
>>     > >>since i then got a linker error (something with
>>     > >>invalid symbols) when
>>     > >>linking against freetype.
>>     > >>for me worked: compile the pgserver using the
>>     > >>openzaurus buildroot! ,
>>     > >>compiling the cli_c by hand and link that against my
>>     > >>app (statically,
>>     > >>since t! here are no more shared cli_c libs as the
>>     > >>makefile of the OZ
>>     > >>buildroots wants ....)
>>     > >>
>>     > >>greets, peter
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>Eric Heinemann wrote:
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>>Well I am using the buildroot. My problem is when
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>it is trying to
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>>locate the png and freetype libraries. This
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>problem is
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>>occuring because the arm ld does not allow the -l
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>option. My
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>>environment is Mandrake 9.1 running Gnome with
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>OZ's arm-gcc 2.95.3.
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     &! gt; >>>Any help would be greatly appreciated. When you
>>     > ; >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>finish you! r project,
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>>if you want to make it public, I have a website
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>you could store it on.
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>Eric
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>*/Peter Hermsdorf /*
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>wrote:
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> hi eric,
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>> sending you a zip file is somehow hard, since
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>i use picogui with
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> OZ and
>>     > >>> thatswhy it is in the buildroot of openzaurus.
>>     > >>> i don`t know if you use openzaurus too, if so
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>i could maybe give you
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> some hints which may help you gettig picogui
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>compiled (e.g. i wasn`t
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> a! ble to compile the cli_c stuff using OZ
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>&g t;
>>     > >>buidlroot completly, but i
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> added the neccessary files so that it works
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>too )
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> another possibility would be to compile
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>picogui yourself for arm
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> (i have
>>     > >>> a ./compile script for that) and then just
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>install the files at the
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> right positions in the output! image...... (but
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > &g t;>that hasn`t worked out
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> for me 100 % )
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>> maybe you give me some more information about
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>your environment, so i
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> could give you some hints !?
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>> greets, peter
>>     > >>>! ;
>>     > >>> Eric Heinemann wrote:
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>> >Peter,
>>     > >>> >
>>     > >>> >I have been banging my head against a wall
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>for the
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >! last week trying to get PicoGUI to compile
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>for the
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >Zaurus. After I fix one error, I get another.
>>     > >>>
>>     &g! t; >>>
>>     > >>I have
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >a favor to ask, would it be possible to get a
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>gzipped
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >file of all of the picogui files for arm that
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>you have
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >gotten compiled? This would be greatly
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>appreciated.
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >I am current! ly trying to get a PicoGUI only
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > &g t;>ROM
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >compiled and running, and well PicoGUI is an
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>integral
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >part of that.
>>     > >>> ! >
>>     > >>> >Thanks,
>>     > >>> >Eric
>>     > >>> >
>>     > >>> >
>>     > >>> >--- Peter Hermsdorf
>>     > >>> >wrote:
>>     > >>> >
>>     > >>> >
>>     > >>> >>the error seems to be the timer_vidblank
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>part.
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>when just commenting out
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >> if (timer_vidblank &&
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>timer_eval(timer_vidblank +
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>timer_lastactivity))
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>>drivermessage(PGDM_POWER,PG_POWER_VIDBLANK,NULL! );
>>     > >>>>
>>     > >>>>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>the error does not appear.
>>     > >>> &g! t;>i added some printf statements before these
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>lines
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>with
>>     > >>> >&g! t;
>>     > >>> >> printf("timer_vidblank:
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>%d\n\r",timer_vidblank);
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> > ;> printf("eval statement:
>>     > >>> >>%d\n\r",timer_eval(timer_vidblank +
>>     > >>> >>timer_lastactivity));
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>the output right after starting pgserver on
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>the
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>zaurus is
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >># pgserver
>>     > >>> >>timer_vidblank: 600
>>     > >>> >>eval statement: 0
>>     > >>> &g! t;! ;>timer_vidblank: 600
>>     > >>> >>eval stateme nt: 1
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>all this in < 3 secs (so oviously not 60 as
>>     > >>> >>configured). so it seems the
>>     > >>> >>timer_eval function behaves somehow
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>different.
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>i wasn`t able to track this down further.
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>hope that
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>helps somehow !?
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>bye,peter
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>Peter Hermsdorf wrote:
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>I haven't looked at it yet, but I don't
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>see how
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >&g! t;> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>it could be anything but
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >&g! t;
>>     > >>> >>>>the code in timer.c causing the problem.
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>That
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>> *>>>>
>>     > >>> >>code doesn't depend on
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>much else, so it shouldn't take much 'big
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>picture' knowledge to find the
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>problem.
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>! ;>>
>>     > >>> >>>ok. i`ll see what i can do. ...
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>>PicoGUI suspends the zaurus by issuing a
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>command>>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>& gt; >>>>
>>     > >>> >>in /proc, but it
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>shouldn't have any effect on poweron.
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>
>>     > >>> >>>this behaviour is the same in console only
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>mode,
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>so it has nothing
>>     > >! ;>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>specific to PicoGUI..... maybe i have to
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>ask this
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>question on
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> &g t;>>openzaurus-dev.
>>     > >>> >>>bye,peter
>>     > >>> &! gt;>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>Micah Dowty wrote:
>>     > >>> >>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>I've seen this problem before now that
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>! ;you
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>&g t;>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>mention it, but I haven't
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>looked into it and it seems to have
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>escaped
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>from the collector :)
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>&g! t; >>>>>>The input driver for the zaurus includes
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>a
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>driver message handler to
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>! ;>>support picogui's suspend timer. You can
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>see
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>this in
>>     > >>> >> !
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>server/input/zaurus.c
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>The suspend timer itself is in
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>server/gcore/timer.c
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>In README.configfile, the t! imers.sleep
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>property
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >&g! t;>>>>
>>     > >>> >>is shown to have the*> >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>default value zero, meaning that the
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>timer is
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>disabled. Check whether
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>your pgserver.conf is overriding this.
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>If so,
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>try commenting out that
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>line. If it! looks correct, try adding
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >> ;printf()s> >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>or breakpoints! to
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>timer.c
>>     > >>> > ;>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>If you don't feel like fixing this right
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>away
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>or at all, add
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>it to the collector and it will be
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>eventually
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>!
>>     > >>> >>fixed.
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>--M! icah
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>On Fri, May 02, 2003 at 03:40:21PM
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>+0200, Peter
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>Hermsdorf wrote:
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>hi all,
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>i finally got hello.c running, but
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>there is a
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>funny effect: after
>>     > >>> >! ;>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > &g! t;>> >>>>>>>starting pgserver the display*>>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>immediately
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>shuts down. when
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>pressing a key, let`s say the OK-Key,
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>the
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>screen turns on and i
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >! >
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>can see the hell o world window,when i
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>release
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>the key the screen
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>i! mmediately turns off. when again
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>pressing a
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>key, it turns on
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>again and i have to keep the key
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>pressed to
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>&! gt;>>>>
>>     > >>> >>see something.
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >&! gt;
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>anybody knows what`s the problem? . ..
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>is this
>>     > >>
>>     > >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>maybe some
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> &! gt;>>>>>>misconfigured energy saving feature or
>>     > & gt;>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>something ?
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>thx for any help!
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>bye,! peter
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >&g t;> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>>>>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> >>>
>>     > >>> *
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
>>     > >>>
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