Re: New to Kamailio community – questions abo ut production readiness, security and support
Alexis Fidalgo via sr-users <[email protected]> Mon, 29 Jun 2026 10:38:08 -0300
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--===============0865237153== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D86726FE-3676-40E8-96C1-5F5B9EC4B11D" --Apple-Mail=_D86726FE-3676-40E8-96C1-5F5B9EC4B11D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello 1. completely, we have deployed a few dozens and cursing more than 500MM = calls an hour as aggregate with 3k+caps for single instances in some = cases. 2. there are many guides and recommendations on the list and thru many = posts, imho security is what you provide to kamailio. 3. version cycles are detailed in the kamailio site, many apporaches can = be taken to upgrade without disrupting the service, ex: dispatching, = running in clusters, replicas, etc. it depends on how kamailio is = deployed in your network. my view here, do not upgrade/update if not needed and not tested. = second one, do not think upgrading as patching (those are different = things) 4. yes it is, we run it in bare metals, in docker standalone, docker = swarm and also in K8 5. see 3 6. yes, absolutely. some of our deploys are in front of asterisk's = and/or freeswitch=E2=80=99s 7. yes there are and most of the cases they are willing to help. Suggestion, search and crawl in the archives, you=E2=80=99ll find a = _lot_ of detail and help for all of your questions. regards > On 29 Jun 2026, at 7:05=E2=80=AFAM, Asmaa BOUDDYACH via sr-users = <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Hello Kamailio community, >=20 > My name is Asmaa, I work as a project manager in the IT field.=20 > I am currently deploying Kamailio as an SBC in front of an IPBX system = and I am looking to deepen my knowledge of the product, I would like to = ask the community a few questions to help me validate my approach: > 1.Production readiness: =E2=80=93 Is Kamailio considered mature and = stable enough for production environments, including medium and large = deployments? Are there known limitations I should be aware of?=20 >=20 > 2.Security: =E2=80=93 What are the recommended best practices for = hardening a Kamailio instance? Are there official security guidelines or = checklists available? How are CVEs and vulnerabilities handled and = communicated to the community?=20 >=20 > 3.Patch management: How frequently are security patches and updates = released? What is the recommended upgrade process to avoid service = disruption in production?=20 >=20 > 4. Cloud environments :=E2=80=93 Is Kamailio well-suited for cloud = deployments (e.g. on-premise VM, AWS, Azure)? Are there specific = considerations or known issues in virtualized or containerized = environments?=20 >=20 > 5.Long-term support: =E2=80=93 Is there a concept of LTS versions? = How long are older branches maintained? >=20 > 6.Cloud-hosted IPBX compatibility =E2=80=93 Can Kamailio be used as an = SBC in front of a cloud-hosted IPBX (e.g. hosted PBX, UCaaS platforms)? = Are there any specific configurations or limitations to be aware of in = this scenario? >=20 > 7.Commercial support: =E2=80=93 Are there trusted companies or = partners offering professional support around Kamailio?=20 >=20 > I am aware that some of these questions may have answers already = available in the documentation or wiki =E2=80=93 any pointers to the = right resources would also be very welcome.=20 >=20 > Thank you in advance for your time and help.=20 > Best regards,=20 >=20 > Cordialement <> > Asmaa BOUDDYACH > Team Leader =E2=80=93 D=C3=A9ploiement- Exploitation- Coordination = =E2=80=93 Communications Unifi=C3=A9es >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Cordialement <> > Asmaa BOUDDYACH > Team Leader PBC =E2=80=93 D=C3=A9ploiement- Exploitation- Coordination = =E2=80=93 Communications Unifi=C3=A9es > Ex=C3=A9cutive R=C3=A9seau SI et Services \ Services \ Ligne de = services Voix > Communications unifi=C3=A9es et Relations clients > SFR Business > T=C3=A9l. +33 (0) 1 87 64 78 13 >=20 >=20 > This message and any of its attachments is intended solely for the = addresses and is confidential. 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L=E2=80=99internet ne permettant pas d=E2=80=99assu= rer l=E2=80=99int=C3=A9grit=C3=A9 de ce message, le groupe INTELCIA = d=C3=A9cline toute responsabilit=C3=A9 au titre de ce message, dans = l=E2=80=99hypoth=C3=A8se o=C3=B9 il aurait =C3=A9t=C3=A9 modifi=C3=A9. >=20 > __________________________________________________________ > Kamailio - Users Mailing List - Non Commercial Discussions -- = [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > Important: keep the mailing list in the recipients, do not reply only = to the sender! --Apple-Mail=_D86726FE-3676-40E8-96C1-5F5B9EC4B11D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html aria-label=3D"message body"><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" = content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body = style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = line-break: after-white-space;">Hello<div><br></div><div>1. completely, = we have deployed a few dozens and cursing more than 500MM calls an hour = as aggregate with 3k+caps for single instances in some = cases.</div><div><br></div><div>2. there are many guides and = recommendations on the list and thru many posts, imho security is what = you provide to kamailio.</div><div><br></div><div>3. version cycles are = detailed in the kamailio site, many apporaches can be taken to upgrade = without disrupting the service, ex: dispatching, running in clusters, = replicas, etc. it depends on how kamailio is deployed in your = network.</div><div>my view here, do not upgrade/update if not = needed and not tested. second one, do not think upgrading as patching = (those are different things)</div><div><br></div><div>4. yes it is, we = run it in bare metals, in docker standalone, docker swarm and also in = K8</div><div><br></div><div>5. see 3</div><div><br></div><div>6. yes, = absolutely. some of our deploys are in front of asterisk's and/or = freeswitch=E2=80=99s</div><div><br></div><div>7. yes there are and most = of the cases they are willing to = help.</div><div><br></div><div>Suggestion, search and crawl in the = archives, you=E2=80=99ll find a _lot_ of detail and help for all of your = questions.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br><= /div><div><br></div><div><br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>On 29 Jun 2026, at 7:05=E2=80=AFAM, Asmaa BOUDDYACH = via sr-users <[email protected]> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div = dir=3D"auto" style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: = 1px; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face=3D"tahoma, = sans-serif">Hello Kamailio community,</font></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face=3D"tahoma, = sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"background-color: = rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">My name is Asmaa, I work as a project = manager in the IT field.<span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"> </s= pan></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, = 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">I am currently deploying Kamailio as an SBC = in front of an IPBX system and I am looking to deepen my knowledge of = the product, I would like to ask the community a few questions to help = me validate my approach:</font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">1.Production readiness: =E2=80=93 Is = Kamailio considered mature and stable enough for production = environments, including medium and large deployments? Are there known = limitations I should be aware of? </font></span></div><div = dir=3D"auto" style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: = 1px; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">2.Securit= y: </span><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"> =E2= =80=93 What are the recommended best practices for hardening a Kamailio = instance? Are there official security guidelines or checklists = available? How are CVEs and vulnerabilities handled and communicated to = the community? </span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">3.Patch management: How frequently are = security patches and updates released? What is the recommended upgrade = process to avoid service disruption in = production? </font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">4. = Cloud environments :</span><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">=E2=80=93= Is Kamailio well-suited for cloud deployments (e.g. on-premise VM, AWS, = Azure)? Are there specific considerations or known issues in virtualized = or containerized environments? </span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">5.Long-term support: =E2=80=93 Is = there a concept of LTS versions? How long are older branches = maintained?</font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">6.</span>= <span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)">Cloud-hos= ted IPBX compatibility =E2=80=93 Can Kamailio be used as an SBC in front = of a cloud-hosted IPBX (e.g. hosted PBX, UCaaS platforms)? Are there any = specific configurations or limitations to be aware of in this = scenario?</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"background-color: = rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">7.Commercial support: =E2=80=93 Are there = trusted companies or partners offering professional support around = Kamailio? </font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">I am aware that some of these questions may = have answers already available in the documentation or wiki =E2=80=93 = any pointers to the right resources would also be very = welcome. </font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"> Thank you in advance for your time and = help. </font></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" = style=3D"background-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); word-spacing: 1px; = border-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span = style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,0);border-color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font = face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Best regards, </font></span></div><div = dir=3D"auto" style=3D"font-size: inherit; 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