Re: Amaya: call for relauching the project ?
Etienne Saliez <[email protected]> Wed, 19 Mar 2014 12:07:01 +0100
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Hi,
In the Open Source community we absolutely need a good HTML editor as A=
MAYA and=20
at the moment I do not see any better solution.
I have a lot of HTML documents to edit and it would be very annoying to=
have to do it=20
by means of a basic text editor.=20
Before using Amaya, I did use KOMPOZER which is today no more maintaine=
d and=20
which is not optimal about W3C standards, although still accepted by Fi=
refox.
>From a technical point of view I would not be able to contribute, but I=
am willing to=20
pledge some donations.
- Indeed HTML5 is becoming important and must be implemented.
- Moreover a few other improvements like the graphic interface for the =
management=20
of tables which should be made as good as it was in Kompozer.
- No more much concern, but I did not succeed to install AMAYA on 32 bi=
t machine in a=20
KUBUNTU environment.
Etienne Saliez
tel +32_26541759
http://www.isfteh.org/working_groups/category/collaborative_care_team_i=
n_open_so
urce[1]=20
On Wednesday 19 March 2014 19:24:36 Martin J. D=FCrst wrote:
> Hello Antoine,
>=20
> On 2014/03/19 18:21, HiddenId wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > If you like using AMAYA as I Iike it, shouldn't we try to relaunch =
its
> > long term development, particularly, making AMAYA running better wi=
th
> > current and future version of web browsers ?
> >=20
> > For sure, we know that neither W3C nor WAM INRIA deploy resource fo=
r AMAYA
> > any more. As specified on AMAYA home web page "the application was
> > jointly developed by W3C and the WAM project (Web, Adaptation and
> > Multimedia) at INRIA. It is no more developed."
> > However, if many of us email to W3C and INRIA decision makers, our
> > encouragements to decide to maintain AMAYA as a permanent project t=
o
> > develop, should this have an positive impact for relaunching the pr=
oject
> > with permanent allocated resources ? Would this help to relaunch AM=
AYA
> > development ?
> > Freely,
> > Antoine
>=20
> Sorry to not be of much help, but please let me explain the situation=
as
> far as I understand (as a former member of the W3C team).
>=20
> I like Amaya very much, too, and would be really delighted if
> development would continue (restart). A student of mine about a year =
ago
> also worked on adding HTML5 support to Amaya, her code is available a=
t
> https://github.com/ezura/Amaya/. There also seem to have been others
> working on the code, see https://github.com/w3c/Amaya/network or sear=
ch
> for 'Amaya' on github.
>=20
> However, unfortunately, it's not just that the Amaya project at INRIA=
is
> closed, but that its main developers and backers are retired. So ther=
e's
> nobody at INRIA in a position to push Amaya development. Also, INRIA
> being a research institution, simply adapting Amaya to newer browsers=
> may not be such an attractive project.
>=20
> Anybody is of course very welcome to continue to work on Amaya, becau=
se
> it's all open source!
>=20
> Regards, Martin.
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A and at the moment I do not see any better solution.</p>
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<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
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ave a lot of HTML documents to edit and it would be very annoying to ha=
ve to do it by means of a basic text editor. </p>
<p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px=
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<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
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ore using Amaya, I did use KOMPOZER which is today no more maintained a=
nd which is not optimal about W3C standards, although still accepted by=
Firefox.</p>
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m a technical point of view I would not be able to contribute, but I am=
willing to pledge some donations.</p>
<p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px=
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<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
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ndeed HTML5 is becoming important and must be implemented.</p>
<p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px=
; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0p=
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<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
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oreover a few other improvements like the graphic interface for the man=
agement of tables which should be made as good as it was in Kompozer.</=
p>
<p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px=
; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0p=
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<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- N=
o more much concern, but I did not succeed to install AMAYA on 32 bit m=
achine in a KUBUNTU environment.</p>
<p style=3D"-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px=
; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0p=
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<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
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enne Saliez</p>
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<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On =
Wednesday 19 March 2014 19:24:36 Martin J. D=FCrst wrote:</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; Hello Antoine,</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; </p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; On 2014/03/19 18:21, HiddenId wrote:</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > Hi all,</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > If you like using AMAYA as I Iike it, shouldn't we try to relaun=
ch its</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > long term development, particularly, making AMAYA running better=
with</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > current and future version of web browsers ?</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > </p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > For sure, we know that neither W3C nor WAM INRIA deploy resource=
for AMAYA</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > any more. As specified on AMAYA home web page "the applicat=
ion was</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > jointly developed by W3C and the WAM project (Web, Adaptation an=
d</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > Multimedia) at INRIA. It is no more developed."</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > However, if many of us email to W3C and INRIA decision makers, o=
ur</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > encouragements to decide to maintain AMAYA as a permanent projec=
t to</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > develop, should this have an positive impact for relaunching the=
project</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > with permanent allocated resources ? Would this help to relaunch=
AMAYA</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > development ?</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > Freely,</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; > Antoine</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; </p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; Sorry to not be of much help, but please let me explain the situation=
as</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; far as I understand (as a former member of the W3C team).</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; </p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; I like Amaya very much, too, and would be really delighted if</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; development would continue (restart). A student of mine about a year =
ago</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; also worked on adding HTML5 support to Amaya, her code is available a=
t</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; https://github.com/ezura/Amaya/. There also seem to have been others<=
/p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; working on the code, see https://github.com/w3c/Amaya/network or sear=
ch</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; for 'Amaya' on github.</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; </p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; However, unfortunately, it's not just that the Amaya project at INRIA=
is</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; closed, but that its main developers and backers are retired. So ther=
e's</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; nobody at INRIA in a position to push Amaya development. Also, INRIA<=
/p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; being a research institution, simply adapting Amaya to newer browsers=
</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; may not be such an attractive project.</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; </p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; Anybody is of course very welcome to continue to work on Amaya, becau=
se</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; it's all open source!</p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; </p>
<p style=3D" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin=
-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">>=
; Regards, Martin.</p>
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