Re: Amaya: call for relauching the project ?
HiddenId <[email protected]> Tue, 5 Aug 2014 13:34:44 +0100
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---1821453988-1082946195-1407242084=:4584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=0AAs I said before, I've ask to Apache Incubator if and how Amaya co= uld be resurrected inside Apache project.=0AHere is the answer:=0A=0AApache= doesn't "help" projects - we just provide a neutral space for=0Aprojects t= o exist.=0AIf you and a few others are willing to continue Amaya developmen= t=0Ahere, and you have a way to get to code donated to the ASF that's in=0A= line with how the Incubator works - but you'll need to first form the=0Agro= up that will work on the incubating project.=0A=0AThen, if a small team of = people (developers) would like to work on the Apache code, and if it is pos= sible to donate the code to Apache, then, Amaya ressurection might incubate= into Apache Incubator environnement.=0A=0AAntoine=0A=0ALe Jeudi 20 mars 20= 14 11h10, Laurent Carcone <[email protected]> a =E9crit :=0A Le 19/03/14 11:24= , "Martin J. D=FCrst" a =E9crit :=0A> Hello Antoine,=0A>=0A> On 2014/03/19 = 18:21, HiddenId wrote:=0A>> Hi all,=0A>> If you like using AMAYA as I Iike = it, shouldn't we try to relaunch =0A>> its long term development, particula= rly, making AMAYA running better =0A>> with current and future version of w= eb browsers ?=0A>>=0A>> For sure, we know that neither W3C nor WAM INRIA de= ploy resource for =0A>> AMAYA any more. As specified on AMAYA home web page= "the=0A application =0A>> was jointly developed by W3C and the WAM project= (Web, Adaptation and =0A>> Multimedia)=0A>> at INRIA. It is no more develo= ped."=0A>> However, if many of us email to W3C and INRIA decision makers, o= ur =0A>> encouragements to decide to=0A maintain AMAYA as a permanent proje= ct to =0A>> develop, should this have an positive impact for relaunching th= e =0A>> project with permanent allocated resources ?=0A>> Would this help= =0A to relaunch AMAYA development ?=0A>> Freely,=0A>> Antoine=0A>=0A> Sorry= to not be of much help, but please let me explain the situation =0A> as fa= r as I understand (as a former member of the W3C team).=0A>=0A> I like Amay= a very much, too, and would be really delighted if =0A> development would c= ontinue (restart). A student of mine about a year =0A> ago also worked on a= dding HTML5 support to Amaya, her code is =0A> available at https://github.= com/ezura/Amaya/. There also seem to have =0A> been others working on the c= ode, see =0A> https://github.com/w3c/Amaya/network or search for 'Amaya' on= github.=0A>=0A> However, unfortunately, it's not just that the Amaya proje= ct at INRIA =0A> is closed, but that its main developers and backers are re= tired. So =0A> there's nobody at INRIA in a position to push Amaya developm= ent. Also, =0A> INRIA being a research institution, simply adapting Amaya t= o newer =0A> browsers may not be such an attractive project.=0A>=0A> Anybod= y is of course very welcome to continue to work on Amaya, =0A> because it's= all open source!=0A>=0A> Regards,=A0 Martin.=0A>=0A=0A> Hi,=0A=0A> Thank = you all for your support.=0A> Indeed, INRIA stopped to support Amaya (and s= topped to host us too :)), =0A> and W3C won't relaunch the project.=0A> Som= e months ago, I created a github repository [1] with Amaya source =0A> code= so that it is more visible in the open-source community.=0A> I recently cr= eated an other github repository including the whole cvs =0A> history [2] t= o preserve the history of the project as the cvs server is =0A> running on = an INRIA'a machine.=0A=0A> Relaunching Amaya would require a great investme= nt, in particular it =0A> would be necessary to separate the editing part a= nd the rendering part =0A> to use an existing rendering engine like Gecko. = It's a huge work but it =0A> would facilitate further developments and the = adoption of the project by =0A> the open-source community.=0A=0A> I'd like = to thanks Martin and Yuka for their work on HTML5 support [3], =0A> I had a= look at their project and it is=0A promising.=0A=0A> Thanks,=0A> Laurent= =0A=0A> [1] https://github.com/w3c/Amaya=0A> [2] https://github.com/w3c/Ama= ya-Editor=0A> [3] https://github.com/ezura/Amaya/ ---1821453988-1082946195-1407242084=:4584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:He= lveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;fo= nt-size:12pt"><div style=3D"" class=3D"" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv6805427874yui= _3_16_0_5_1407241299373_21"><font style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yiv6805427874= yui_3_16_0_5_1407241299373_20" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" s= tyle=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Gr= ande,sans-serif;">Hello,<br style=3D"">As I said before, I've ask to Apache= Incubator if and how Amaya could be resurrected inside Apache project.<br = style=3D"" class=3D"">Here is the answer:<br style=3D"" class=3D""></span><= /font><div style=3D"margin-left: 40px;"><span style=3D"font-style: italic;"= ><font style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yiv6805427874yui_3_16_0_5_1407241299373_= 20" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: Helvet= icaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;">Apache do= esn't "help" projects - we just provide a neutral space for</span></font><br style=3D"" class=3D""><font style=3D"" = class=3D"" id=3D"yiv6805427874yui_3_16_0_5_1407241299373_20" face=3D"Arial"= size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica = Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;">=0Aprojects to exist.</span= ></font><br style=3D"" class=3D""><font style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yiv6805= 427874yui_3_16_0_5_1407241299373_20" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class= =3D"" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lu= cida Grande,sans-serif;">=0AIf you and a few others are willing to continue= Amaya development</span></font><br style=3D"" class=3D""><font style=3D"" = class=3D"" id=3D"yiv6805427874yui_3_16_0_5_1407241299373_20" face=3D"Arial"= size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica = Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;">=0Ahere, and you have a way= to get to code donated to the ASF that's in</span></font><br style=3D"" cl= ass=3D""><font style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yiv6805427874yui_3_16_0_5_140724= 1299373_20" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span class=3D"" style=3D"font-family= : HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;">= =0Aline with how the Incubator works - but you'll need to first form the</s= pan></font><br style=3D"" class=3D""><font style=3D"" class=3D"" id=3D"yiv6= 805427874yui_3_16_0_5_1407241299373_20" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span cla= ss=3D"" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,= Lucida Grande,sans-serif;">=0Agroup that will work on the incubating projec= t.</span></font></span><br style=3D"" class=3D""></div><font style=3D"" cla= ss=3D"" id=3D"yiv6805427874yui_3_16_0_5_1407241299373_20" face=3D"Arial" si= ze=3D"2"><br>Then, if a small team of people (developers) would like to wor= k on the Apache code, and if it is possible to donate the code to Apache, t= hen, Amaya ressurection might incubate into Apache Incubator environnement.= <br><br>Antoine<br><br>Le Jeudi 20 mars 2014 11h10, Laurent Carcone <lau= [email protected]> a =E9crit :<br class=3D"" style=3D"" clear=3D"none"> </font= > </div> Le 19/03/14 11:24, "Martin J. D=FCrst" a =E9crit :<br style=3D"" = class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Hello Antoine,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clea= r=3D"none">><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> On 2014/03/19 = 18:21, HiddenId wrote:<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> Hi = all,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> If you like using AMA= YA as I Iike it, shouldn't we try to relaunch <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> its long term development, particularly, making AM= AYA running better <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> with c= urrent and future version of web browsers ?<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">>><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> For sur= e, we know that neither W3C nor WAM INRIA deploy resource for <br style=3D"= " class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> AMAYA any more. As specified on AMAYA = home web page "the=0A application <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">= >> was jointly developed by W3C and the WAM project (Web, Adaptation = and <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> Multimedia)<br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> at INRIA. It is no more developed.= "<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> However, if many of us e= mail to W3C and INRIA decision makers, our <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">>> encouragements to decide to=0A maintain AMAYA as a perma= nent project to <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> develop, = should this have an positive impact for relaunching the <br style=3D"" clas= s=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> project with permanent allocated resources ?= <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> Would this help=0A to rel= aunch AMAYA development ?<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> = Freely,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">>> Antoine<br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none= ">> Sorry to not be of much help, but please let me explain the situatio= n <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> as far as I understand (as = a former member of the W3C team).<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&= gt;<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> I like Amaya very much, to= o, and would be really delighted if <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none= ">> development would continue (restart). A student of mine about a year= <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> ago also worked on adding HT= ML5 support to Amaya, her code is <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">= > available at <a style=3D"" class=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" = target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://github.com/ezura/Amaya/">https://github.c= om/ezura/Amaya/. </a>There also seem to have <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> been others working on the code, see <br st= yle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> <a style=3D"" class=3D"" rel=3D"nof= ollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://github.com/w3c/Amay= a/network">https://github.com/w3c/Amaya/network=0A </a>or search for 'Amaya= ' on=0A github.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">><br style=3D"" = class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> However, unfortunately, it's not just that t= he Amaya project at INRIA <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> is = closed, but that its main developers and backers are retired. So <br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> there's nobody at INRIA in a position = to push Amaya development. Also, <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&= gt; INRIA being a research institution, simply adapting Amaya to newer <br = style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> browsers may not be such an attra= ctive project.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">><br style=3D"" c= lass=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Anybody is of course very welcome to continue= to work on Amaya, <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> because it= 's all open source!<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">><br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Regards, Martin.<br style=3D"" = class=3D"" clear=3D"none">><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Hi,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" cle= ar=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Thank you all for= your support.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Indeed, INRIA s= topped to support Amaya (and stopped to host us too :)), <br style=3D"" cla= ss=3D"" clear=3D"none">> and W3C won't relaunch the project.<br style=3D= "" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Some months ago, I created a github repos= itory [1] with Amaya source <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> c= ode so that it is more visible in the open-source community.<br style=3D"" = class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> I recently created an other github repositor= y including the whole cvs <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> his= tory [2] to preserve the history of the project as the cvs server is <br st= yle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> running on an INRIA'a machine.<br s= tyle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none= ">> Relaunching Amaya would require a great investment, in particular it <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> would be neces= sary to separate the editing part and the rendering part <br style=3D"" cla= ss=3D"" clear=3D"none">> to use an existing rendering engine like Gecko.= It's a huge work but it <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> woul= d facilitate further developments and the adoption of the project by <br st= yle=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> the open-source community.<br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&g= t; I'd like to thanks Martin and Yuka for their work on HTML5 support [3], = <br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> I had a look at their project= and it is=0A promising.<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style= =3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> Thanks,<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear= =3D"none">> Laurent<br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D= "" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> [1] <a style=3D"" class=3D"" rel=3D"nofol= low" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"https://github.com/w3c/Amaya"= >https://github.com/w3c/Amaya</a><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">&= gt; [2] <a style=3D"" class=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"= _blank" href=3D"https://github.com/w3c/Amaya-Editor">https://github.com/w3c= /Amaya-Editor</a><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">> [3] <a style= =3D"" class=3D"" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"= https://github.com/ezura/Amaya/">https://github.com/ezura/Amaya/</a><br sty= le=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none"><br style=3D"" class=3D"" clear=3D"none">= </div></body></html> ---1821453988-1082946195-1407242084=:4584--