Re: curl -v has become too verbose to follow for https requests

On Mon, Jan 30, 2023 at 11:07:52AM +0100, Daniel Stenberg wrote:
>I hear you and we should be cautious with what we add to that output. 
>But we also need to use the verbose output as a means for users to see 
>what happens and to some extent to be able to report problems better 
>when things go wrong.
>
>We should however keep trying to remove unncessary debug outputs, so I 
>appreciate this email. I think we developers sometimes forget about 
>this as we run our curl builds debug-enabled to a large extent and 
>that makes us a little blind for this.

Thank you for the prompt response and caring attitude towards user 
experience!

>I believe we have recently addressed some of the extranous TLS outputs 
>with #10299

I wasn't aware of that change. Glad to know that it's already gone. The 
discovery matches my memory that "curl -v" became noisier when 
Arch Linux updates to openssl 3.0

>We actually put most of the new logging behind specific options only 
>visible for debug-builds of curl and we should continue to do this for 
>things that clearly are not intersting nor helpful to mortal users.
>
>Somewhat explained here:
>
>  https://github.com/curl/curl/tree/master/tests#log-verbosity

The CURL_DEBUG environmental variable is recently introduced in #10271 
and receives that documentation in #10283. Nice to have it when doing 
debug in the future.

Cheers,
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