Re: PSA: publishing FPWD of D3E Keyboard {key,code} Values specs and WD of UI Events

On Wed, 2014-05-28 at 18:26 +0200, Anne van Kesteren wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Gary Kacmarcik (Кошмарчик)
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:50 AM, Anne van Kesteren <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> UI Events was supposed to replace DOM Level 3 Events, not extend it.
> >
> > None of the UIEvents drafts have ever been a replacement for D3E. The
> > UIEvent spec has always contained information to augment the core D3E spec.
> 
> And delta specifications are a terrible idea. I thought the W3C
> abandoned them long ago. Philippe?

We didn't really abandoned them but yes, we don't recommend this
approach in general.

> >> What happened? What's the plan for fixing DOM Level 3 Events?
> >
> > The plan for fixing D3E is that we're working on addressing all the
> > outstanding bugs for D3E. These FPWDs for the 'key' and 'code' tables are
> > required so that we can normatively refer to them in the next D3E draft
> > (planned for sometime in June).
> 
> I'm interested in hearing a plan around solving
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2014Apr/thread.html#msg26
> as that's the single biggest bug in the UI event picture today.
> They're not defined in terms of the event loop. Are mousedown and
> click in the same task? Do they perform a single hit testing
> operation? Etc.
> 
> You can't really bolt that on top of DOM Level 3 Events and keeping
> its legacy-style way of describing event objects around is not really
> helping anyone.

I'll admit that the current plan/direction around DOM3Events is unclear
to me at this point and I'd like to understand it better before
approving the publication of the two documents. It happened that I was
looking at DOM Events tests over the last week end and the overlap with
the DOM tests was confusing.

I wasn't aware about the split around the keyboard event either (or at
least, I don't remember it). If someone is willing to point me to the
right thread to look at, that would help me and avoid repeating again. 

Philippe