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Session Start (localhost:#envolution): Wed Aug 14 20:32:30 2002
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<MADHATter> hello
<MADHATter> anyone here ?
<webmedic> Oh high I'm here
<webmedic> Just doing email and stuff
<webmedic> I don't usaully do aim
<webmedic> MOstly icq
<MADHATter> well, we may start using IRC most of the time
<MADHATter> everyone chat in one central location
<MADHATter> for once
<webmedic> The thing is I use linux and well icq works better
<MADHATter> ahhh
<MADHATter> what distro ?
<webmedic> or IRC is fine too
<webmedic> Mandrake. Been usaing it since 5.32
<MADHATter> cool
<webmedic> sorry 5.3
<MADHATter> Zoom is a linux dude
<MADHATter> he uses RedHat
<webmedic> Used suse, redhat, and so amny others I cant count
<MADHATter> i actually prefer Debian
<webmedic> I keep coming back to mandrake though
<MADHATter> well, it is more of what suits you
<webmedic> I think debian is about the only thing other than corel and
xandros versions that has never been on my system
<MADHATter> honestly
<webmedic> Yea xandros is looking mighty nice. Windows networking works out
the box the way it should
<MADHATter> really ?
<webmedic> Yes when it's released it will be nice
<MADHATter> never heard of xandros, is it new or something ?
<webmedic> They baught out all the corel stuff
<MADHATter> ahh, wow.. hadn't heard that
<MADHATter> i suppose i am a little out of the Linux loop anymore, though
<webmedic> What do you think of the happenings at postnuke?
<MADHATter> :(
<MADHATter> it is a shame, really
<webmedic> I'm still on the dev list. It's a blood bath allot of people are
walking.
<MADHATter> i saw several more just tonight
<webmedic> yes
<MADHATter> i don't know waht to think of it, really
<MADHATter> however
<MADHATter> i do anticipate another fork out of this
<MADHATter> more than likely, anyway
<MADHATter> and
<MADHATter> there are still a few more to walk, from what I have heard
<webmedic> Besides envolution?
<webmedic> Who?
<MADHATter> yeah, but I have been told it will not be a public project
<webmedic> Not open source?
<MADHATter> well, not many details
<webmedic>  Wow this seems so strange
<MADHATter> but from what i gather
<MADHATter> will be headed by J. Cox
<MADHATter> and nearly everyone walking
<MADHATter> will join his team
<MADHATter> (this is rumors for now, ok)
<webmedic> Ok
<webmedic> I've already been watching acms for a long time but it's mostly
talk qnd no show for now.
<MADHATter> yes, i looked at it also
<MADHATter> a little
<MADHATter> but, in the beginning, these
<MADHATter> things are almost all planning
<MADHATter> even Postnuke
<MADHATter> when it forked
<webmedic> Thats why I wanted to finally jump in and do something
<MADHATter> planned and discussed for over a month
<MADHATter> btw, would you be
<MADHATter> interested in an officer
<MADHATter> position, until elections
<MADHATter> can be held ?
<webmedic> Yea I remember when it happened I asked j cox way back then to
join postnume but nothing ever happened
<webmedic> what kind of position?
<MADHATter> really, that is interesting
<MADHATter> did not know that, either
<webmedic> I've been around a long time
<MADHATter> did you see the Organization Structure ?
<webmedic> I'm not sure I looked at many documents but I don't remember.
<MADHATter> lets see:
<webmedic> I decided to get back to work on the news module and other things
<MADHATter> ok, you would rather just be a developer then ?
<webmedic> rather than getting into all the other stuff
<MADHATter> i understand that --trust me
<MADHATter> did you get to talk to ak ?
<webmedic> Oh no I'm just telling what i've been doing? to stay productive
and out of trouble
<MADHATter> out of trouble --LOL
<webmedic> yes I talked to him
<MADHATter> ok, i see what you mean
<webmedic> he is working pretty hard on the bugs and features mod
<MADHATter> yes, i like it too
<MADHATter> we will put it to good use
<webmedic> How will the templates be handled for mods and stuff
<MADHATter> (Link:
http://www.madhatt.info/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=
viewarticle&artid=5&page=1)http://www.madhatt.info/modules.php?op=modload&na
me=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=5&page=1
<MADHATter> very similiar to the way the are handled by the FrontPage Module
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<TiMax> ehi marino what you do here ? eheh
<TiMax> hello webmedic
<MADHATter> i am still finishing the API for this, actually
<webmedic> I'll tell you what I can be a big help rewriting allot of the
mods and whatnot but I really don't know if I want ot be in charge
<MADHATter> ok, developer it is
<TiMax> can you rewrite some modules webmedic ?
<MADHATter> sound ok ?
<webmedic> I spent 5 years in the military whatching the sargent get chewed
out for things not thier fault and decided that the best thing to d owas
keep working and the best I could be but not in charge.
<webmedic> Yes I can work on them.
<webmedic> It would help if I had a good manual wit hthe api
<TiMax> because i think that we need also two good and good explained
template for modules
<TiMax> with and without admin section
<webmedic> developer is good.
<TiMax> i receive also your email medic and i answer you
<MADHATter> i will write a brief manual on the API
<MADHATter> for templates
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<MADHATter> tomorrow
<TiMax> yes but we need also 2 template example very elementar
<MADHATter> hey deonya
<deonya> hello
<TiMax> where is zoom ..... drink his coffèè ?
<webmedic> I have quite a few ideas for the news/reviews stuff already and a
few requests on making it into a true news system
<TiMax> hello deonya
<MADHATter> i think zoom is on his way home from work, actually
<MADHATter> medic:
<MADHATter> i'm all ears
<deonya> hello timax
<deonya> mad did you get my email
<webmedic> I also found some good stuff for posting the news already. not
wysiwyg but good.
<TiMax> what is your name webmedic .... ?
<webmedic> Brook Humphrey
<TiMax> i have wysiwyg if you need it .....to develope it for news
<TiMax> ok Brook is better
<webmedic> well i'm trying not to be ie only and all the wysiwyg stuff is
only for ie
<webmedic> or at least that i've seen
<TiMax> i have one a little compatible also with netscape
<webmedic> cool. I would also consider javascript to figure the browser and
load whats needed.
<deonya> has anyone ever seen this I think its cross browser (Link:
http://editize.com/)http://editize.com/
<deonya> it cost money but maybe some one can look at what there doing and
write something simular
<MADHATter> never looked at it --but will
<MADHATter> Brook, what other ideas do you have in mind
<MADHATter> ?
<TiMax> yes i know it  editize
<TiMax> now you can found it also in openn but is not a very good
<TiMax> is slow to charge and have some troubles with compatibility
<deonya> ok first of for ppl who dont know me I don't know php at all some I
am not sure about alot of thinks but there seem to be to much in most of PN
<webmedic> Here is a post from my site
<webmedic> also like to see an advanced admin where you can move news
articles order around the page. Just because i create a new story doesn't
mean it necessarily deserves top billing. i.e. would like to say make it
article #3 fo 10 for example. Also adding expiration dates in admin for an
article to be archived would be really nice.
<MADHATter> yes, basically a publishing style
<MADHATter> or ezine
<webmedic> I agree i would like t ohave the articles weighted to stay on top
longer
<MADHATter> that is good
<webmedic> Right now I'm working on bb code for the posting along with the
submiting of articles to make it easier for new people
<TiMax> i see your site brook ... but where is next page button in your news
?
<webmedic> You know others have mentioned this
<TiMax> for deonya ..... you can found ret text editor in open here (Link:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/richtext/)http://sourceforge.net/projects/ri
chtext/
<webmedic> it's my server is slow so the buttons don't load sometimes.
<deonya> what is that
<webmedic> because the servier times out
<deonya> ok I see looks pretty good
<TiMax> deonya : is like editize but in open
<deonya> thanx i will test it out
<TiMax> i try also to reload page but i not see button
<TiMax> but i don't think is server problem
<TiMax> reload is fast
<deonya> right now I don't use PN as it is confusing and I dont fill I have
control
<TiMax> control of what ?
<TiMax> and what you use ?
<deonya> anythin as a design I wnat something that based around the design
but useing PN you have to design around it
<MADHATter> deon is our new designer, max
<deonya> has to many things that are set with no options witch makes site
look the same
<deonya> my site now is PHP but I did it in html and someone recoded it for
me
<deonya> (Link: http://illusivedesign.org)http://illusivedesign.org
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<webmedic> that editor wont load under linux
<TiMax_> grrrr sorry ...... i have some trouble
<MADHATter> np
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<TiMax_> no deonya are designer
<TiMax_> so and not no ...
<deonya> being able to use templates lets you get some control over some
things but some moduls dont give control over the layout so if a nebee comes
in like me I amd stuck with a set structure
<deonya> and most pn sites are set to give out info and have downloads and
forums stuff like that but there are alot more thing that a site can be used
for but there either nothing out there to do what you want and if it is they
are  hard to set up with no support
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<TiMax> oufffff
<TiMax> now i m with my laptop i hope i m online for more time eheh
<MADHATter> hehe
<TiMax> i think is good if we put in modules one marker
<TiMax> to change design position etc
<deonya> i have a few ideas that I think will be helpful a be a good change
for Envbolution to have
<deonya> no one pay attention to my spelling i type crapy and I speak
ebonics
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<MADHATter> continue
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<MADHATter> how many max's are there in here, anyway ?!?!?
<TiMax_> you know i m TiMax eheh
<deonya> First is I think there are more things that can be done with the
download mod
<TiMax_> sorry but i because i use two computers
<deonya> most ppl just use it for scripts and mods but I think it can be
changed alittle to still do that and replace most gallery scripts
<deonya> we just need to give it a few option
<TiMax22> with preview image
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<deonya> yes and the option to list like 3-4 thunbnail in a row insteed of
all going down
<TiMax22> good idea
<deonya> as most ppl have figured out is that most gallery script are hard
to set up and are vary buggy we already now the download mod works so why
not use it
<TiMax22> i talk now with zoom in phone ..... he is in restaurant and take
one break coffèe
<MADHATter> ???
<TiMax22> ehhe i joke brian
<TiMax22> yes you are right deonya ... maybe we can make light download and
advanced download
<deonya> I like the way your able to use templates and zones it give a
little more control
<deonya> but I think there should be a way to call info out of mods by
useing tags it would let you use info anywere you want it insteed of stuck
in a block
<deonya> but then someone will have to write a real good referance
explaining what tage do what and how they can be used
<webmedic> I've been looking at cleaning up myegallery and doing a few other
things.
<deonya> then it will be posible to make a design the way you want and just
power the differant element useing custom tags
<MADHATter> excellent brook
<webmedic> how bout loading the pics into a database instead of to the file
system
<webmedic> Then  iweanted to set it up so that the pics can be loaded into
the news stories
<deonya> I don't know who has seen my site but I make free web templates
sorta like theme but when I desided to use PN i was never able to display
them like in a gallery so since that was the bases for my site I had to stop
useing it
<webmedic> I'm not sure the best way to do this yet but it's what i'm
looking at.
<MADHATter> hmmm, interesting
<deonya> that sounds sweet
<TiMax22> what is url of your site deonya ?
<webmedic> The part i'm unsure about is adding pics to articles not getting
them into the database
<deonya> I am not sure about this but if you have things that load into a
file they move slower then if it went to a data base
<webmedic> No not really but a database server is more secure and you don't
have to worry about permissions
<deonya> that will make it better  just doing that
<webmedic> for allot of things straight fiels is faster but less secure
<deonya> ok
<webmedic> sorry my spelling is bad also
<deonya> i think the scruture of PN is funny like some stuff is in the
wronge area not sure why that is maybe there alot of stuff there that is not
need too
<MADHATter> agreed there
<MADHATter> lots of redundancy
<deonya> I no putting things into seperate dir and folder it keeps things
organized but after awial it gets to be more confuseing if you not the
person who designed that structure
<deonya> like lan files there in every block mod just every were it seems
like there should be just 1 place for them and you just link there
<deonya> that realy gets messed up when you go to a site an switch the lang.
have the things will change but some wont because it doesn't have that lang.
file
<MADHATter> Brook:
<MADHATter> what all of these ideas
<MADHATter> do you think you can implement by say....
<MADHATter> the weekend ?
<MADHATter> we are going to try and release version 1.00 hee in a few days
<MADHATter> here*
<deonya> if all lang files were contained in one area site would be more
compateble in other langs.
<MADHATter> these advanced things may have to wait a little
<MADHATter> actually
<webmedic> I've got the multipage working. The funny thing people keep
saying the for next buttons don't show up but they do fine for me and when I
look at the code it's generating fine
<MADHATter> hmmm
<webmedic> So I'm almost sure it's slow connection or server
<webmedic> and the pics are timing out
<TiMax22> no
<TiMax22> check your hard disk brook
<TiMax22> maybe you have put not good patch and you can see it because is in
your hard disk
<webmedic> I've already global the link to the files and they load fine for
me
<webmedic> no the links are to the site under the modules directory not a
local link
<TiMax22> ok now i see it
<TiMax22> but only in opera
<TiMax22> and only i little
<TiMax22> i think you have some trouble with you tables
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<icepickne> hello
<TiMax22> because i see it only in opera and i can see it in backgour of
login button
<TiMax22> hello icepickne
<TiMax22> icepickne is our Autralia support site
<TiMax22> Australia
<webmedic> here is the actual code to the link
<webmedic> <img src=\"modules/$ModName/images/right.gif\" border=\"0\"
alt=\""._NEXT."\">
<webmedic> the left is simmilar
<TiMax22> yes but is not in correct posistion
<TiMax22> if i go here (Link:
http://www.webmedic.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3&
&pagenum=2&commentextra)http://www.webmedic.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=
News&file=article&sid=3&&pagenum=2&commentextra
<TiMax22> i can see all next and prev also in explorer
<MADHATter> hello icepickne
<TiMax22> but when i go in fist page ...... i not see link in explorer
<icepickne> hello MADHATter
<TiMax22> maybe one solution is that you can start from second page LOL
<MADHATter> hehe
<MADHATter> funny
<TiMax22> but anyway Brook is a nice function and the problem is only to put
in other place code of next page .... or some tags not closed
<deonya> i went there I am on IE 5 i see them both and they work
<TiMax22> ie % ?
<TiMax22> ie 5 ?
<TiMax22> witch resolution ?
<deonya> 1024 x 768
<TiMax22> yes but go in first page deonya and tell me if you see next button
to go in second page
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<MADHATter> sorry
<MADHATter> that was strange
<webmedic> In opera for me on windows it is crammed into the login block.
that is strange
<TiMax22> yes for me also
<TiMax22> you must check only that and module work great
<webmedic> I'll try mozilla and ie on windows
<icepickne> Mozilla is fine
<icepickne> on windows
<webmedic> man it would be nice if ie worked right
<TiMax22> ok so we start to talk about urgent things ?
<MADHATter> hey max:
<TiMax22> yes brian
<MADHATter> do you have an IRC module
<MADHATter> on your site
<TiMax22> yes
<MADHATter> i have someone trying to get in
<TiMax22> with pub
<MADHATter> and he can't
<TiMax22> ok one sec i done you liks
<TiMax22> (Link:
http://www.postnuke.it/index.php?module=mac_jIRC)http://www.postnuke.it/inde
x.php?module=mac_jIRC
<MADHATter> ok
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<TiMax> i m here with my client chat
<MADHATter> he is Royce Holden
<MADHATter> cool
<TiMax22> tell he to put in command line  /join
<TiMax22> #envolution
<MADHATter> ok
<TiMax> in one line
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<TiMax22> i must change configuration to put envolution to default
<MADHATter> he should be here in a moment or two
<TiMax22> ok
<deonya> mad so if I writ a theme and I change the name of the folder what
all do you have to change to make it work
<TiMax22> ok so boys when you want to send us $$ ?
<deonya> like LogicII
<deonya> to somthing else
<TiMax22> sometime you must change skin name
<TiMax22> with same name of your theme
<deonya> i have a $1,000,000 to blow I just hit the jack pot
<MADHATter> yes, you also need to add the info to the db
<TiMax22> ok you can send 500.000 to me and 500.000 to brian in email eheh
<MADHATter> here here !
<TiMax22> LOL
<deonya> It Monoply $ so I will have to send it snail mail
<MADHATter> we are going to get serious here in a minute guys, so hang on
<deonya> in a big box
<MADHATter> excuse me, and girls
<MADHATter> <--- sorry
<deonya> so just change all the info in the theme to the theme name
<deonya> but tha data base stuff what is that
<deonya> if I give the theme to someone els what will they have to change to
make it work
<MADHATter> i am making the sql for it
<TiMax22> we start
<MADHATter> i will email it to you
<MADHATter> and you can see
<deonya> kewl
<TiMax22> ready with serius questions ?
<TiMax22> nobody ready here ?
<deonya> i am ready but I probly couldn't answer you ? if it not about
designing
<TiMax22> yes i have question also about designing but ..... after that
<deonya> coo
<TiMax22> After today revolution ..... magicx is not here
<MADHATter> yes, ready
<TiMax22> and we don'thave p.m.
<MADHATter> yes, true... he is not
<TiMax22> so  Brian Madhatt can be our P:M
<deonya> what is P:M
<MADHATter> i have discussed this with Zoom --and he agrees as well
<MADHATter> Project Manager
<deonya> ok
<TiMax22> good ....
<MADHATter> we need to get things
<TiMax22> i agreed also
<MADHATter> nailed down, and release
<TiMax22> yes and we work for that
<MADHATter> a package this weekend
<MADHATter> Brook:
<MADHATter> I want to include your News Module mods
<TiMax22> after that .... for localized manager ..... i can make it if for
you is good
<MADHATter> is good for me
<MADHATter> i think i have someone for the support manager
<TiMax22> has you talk about that with zoom ??
<MADHATter> not yet
<MADHATter> he has been absent all afternoon
<MADHATter> but i will later tonight
<TiMax22> who like support manager ?
<MADHATter> i don't think he will have a problem with it, either
<MADHATter> Royce Holden
<MADHATter> he hosts my site
<TiMax22> Royce Holden .... is a boss off Roll Royce ? not ?
<MADHATter> and actually has some pm experience
<MADHATter> not, hehe
<TiMax22> and he are able to use my client chat ?
<MADHATter> apparently not
<TiMax22> why ?
<deonya> he helped me out befor too and he hosts one of my sites and set up
my site useing PN
<MADHATter> not sure
<TiMax22> whait
<MADHATter> i think is a cpu/firewall/proxy issue on his end
<MADHATter> brook, are you here ?
<TiMax22> ok and Rolls know postnuke
<TiMax22> soryy Royce ....
<TiMax22> sorry eheh
<MADHATter> ok, he is interested
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<MADHATter> but not as support manager
<MADHATter> there he is
<project3e> holy crap!
<MADHATter> hello royce
<TiMax22> hello
<project3e> hey!
<MADHATter> imagine that
<TiMax22> so now we can ask that directly
<project3e> it worked, I was beginning to curse my winbox
<MADHATter> ask away max
<project3e> THANK YOU!
<TiMax22> as you boss of Rolls Royce ?
<MADHATter> did you get in on postnuke.it ?
<TiMax22> ehehhe i joked
<project3e> ahhhh
<project3e> yes, would you like one?
<TiMax22> do you want  be support manager ?
<TiMax22> yes send me in email
<project3e> just a pic
<TiMax22> eheh
<project3e> is everyone else getting the "unregistered copy" message?
<project3e> webmaster: register it
<TiMax22> i not have $$ for that
<project3e> anyway, "support manager"
<deonya> sup royce
<project3e> deonya, how's the server?
<project3e> should work good now ;)
<project3e> I was reading about the support manager
<project3e> and it looks like it would require more time online than I have,
however,
<project3e> I'm not opposed to helping support
<deonya> haven't been able to get in I will test it now though and let you
know
<TiMax22> yes and you work directly with me and i m very very hard
<TiMax22> because i must make international netowork support working good
<project3e> max, do you answer the brunt of the questions?
<project3e> most of the questions?
<TiMax22> no only one
<webmedic> I'm here I was checking problems wit hie and my site
<TiMax22> support manager don't must support all people
<TiMax22> support manager must organize support to work great
<project3e> I work everyday from 7am to 6pm
<MADHATter> exactly
<project3e> I wouldn't be in position to be online all the time, that's all
I'm saying
<TiMax22> and because i  work to make international network of support site,
we must work together to organize it
<project3e> I see
<MADHATter> i think royce
<MADHATter> is looking more for the
<MADHATter> project management end of it
<TiMax22> because main support and international support must work in same
way and sometimes  togheter
<project3e> I understand Max now
<MADHATter> rather than support
<webmedic> Hello royce
<project3e> Hi webmedic
<TiMax22> but you don't must be onine 24/24
<project3e> I just outlined a proposal in email to Madhatter what I could
help with
<MADHATter> Royce: webmedic = Brook
<MADHATter> yes, i am reading now
<project3e> Yes, I remember Brook, from Ca. right? or west coast?
<TiMax22> can i have copy of that
<MADHATter> coming right up
<TiMax22> brook are you from Canada ?
<webmedic> Well from washington but yes we talked quote a bit
<MADHATter> sent max
<webmedic> state that is
<TiMax22> yes i see :D
<project3e> My skills are in Project/Program Management.  As well as helping
the end-user understand product
<project3e> Hey GUESS WHAT, Harry just resigned....
<project3e> ;)  jk
<project3e> Sorry,
<webmedic> Wow that was scarry
<webmedic> just to even think about it
<TiMax22> yes but maybe project manager must be online more of support
manager
<project3e> I agree about the project manager, but I am proposing a "program
manager"
<MADHATter> lol royce
<project3e> It's more "behind the scenes"
<webmedic> Part of what would scare me about pm is all the docs and memo's
to write
<MADHATter> don't do that
<webmedic> I would raher code
<project3e> heheh
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<project3e> I thought of a good bumper sticker, wanna hear it?
<MADHATter> we need a new IRC server
<MADHATter> sure
<project3e> "Mass Exodus --- It Happens"
<MADHATter> ;)
<webmedic> more like rats
<TiMax22> yes i read now the mail
<MADHATter> i'll get the marketing people on it
<TiMax22> i nice
<webmedic> and sinking ships
<project3e> Thanx
<MADHATter> i like your proposal, royce
<project3e> Ok
<TiMax22> so start to tell brian to change his home page please
<TiMax22> and put in evidence our international site network
<project3e> change homepage, how, what?
<TiMax22> ehehhe
<project3e> ahhh, yes
<project3e> BTW, I like the piterpan theme
<deonya24> project3e my server is back to normal
<webmedic> "Marie Altobelli (aka Ladyofdragons)"
<[email protected]> just left postnuke also
<TiMax22> wowwwww
<TiMax22> that is good news
<project3e> kewl, sorry bout that DEONYA
<TiMax22> ehehhe
<deonya24> np
<project3e> she did?
<MADHATter> lVennessa left also ?
<project3e> Is everyone leaving PN to somewhere else?
<TiMax22> i know webmedic want to work to put piterpan to Envolution
<MADHATter> Vannessa even
<webmedic> yup just read the email to the dev team
<TiMax22> me
<TiMax22> but i not leaving postnuke, other people put me off
<webmedic> yes yes piterpan env good
<project3e> Vanessa,  I've been working with her to make her SeaBreeze fully
netscape 4.7x compatible
<TiMax22> put off my banners put off my links etc
<TiMax22> do you remember brian what i tell you last week ??   " next week i
think is hot week "
<TiMax22> you see .......... i m right ....... eheh
<project3e> ahhh, I see
<project3e> Grape is going too
<webmedic> as soon as i get done with the news mod stuff i'm on i'll get on
piterpan for envolusion
<MADHATter> yes, i heard that
<MADHATter> cool brook
<project3e> Brook -- that will be nice
<project3e> I have a good working relationship with Greg/nukecommerce and
mediatech.net
<TiMax22> what have grape ?
<project3e> just FYI
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<project3e> Grape = Steve McGregor
<webmedic> the only part for the news mod to finish for right now is the ie
stuff
<TiMax22> yes i know grape
<project3e> K
<TiMax22> he is very nice boy
<TiMax22> and i make lot of laugh whti he
<TiMax22> and we drink lot of virtual beers also
<project3e> Yes, especially those pictures!!! :)
<project3e> Do/Are we going to implement a "helpdesk" ticketing system at
all?
<webmedic> wow what will happen with nukecommerce now
<TiMax22> that is good idea ..... helpdesk
<project3e> Hmmm... I may ask Greg.  I think He's given it to Sascha
<MADHATter> already being coded
<MADHATter> well, not a helpdesk
<webmedic> ak is working on it
<MADHATter> actually
<project3e> Brian --> Helpdesk being coded?
<MADHATter> more like a bug/feature request tracker
<TiMax22> i work to make trouble tickets multilanguage
<MADHATter> but similiar, yes
<TiMax22> is not a very good code but it work
<TiMax22> you talk about what brian ?'
<project3e> hello
<project3e> sorry, had to go tuck wife into bed...
<TiMax22> need help ?
<deonya24> i know the filling
<project3e> ahh -- I see -- I mean a helpdesk for "end-user" to submit
"user" questions
<project3e> no helping!
<project3e> ;)
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<TiMax22> :D
<Zoom> Howdy
<TiMax22> uei hello zoom
<project3e> :p
<MADHATter> Zoom in the house !!!!!!!!!!!
<TiMax22> nice coffèè today ?
<project3e> Scott -- Howdy
<Zoom> yo yo yo yo wassssuuuuuppppp! Not bad for a redneck huh?
<MADHATter> :P
<project3e> Brian -- do you have the redneck accent?
<Zoom> Yes he does
<Zoom> LOL
<project3e> hehehe LOL
<project3e> He's a NASCAR fan!!! ;)
<MADHATter> ya'll leave us theme there rednecks alon, damn it...
<MADHATter> ;)
<TiMax22> hey please not redneck ..... i have alreayd poor english
<Zoom> aieet
<project3e> HAEL YA
<MADHATter> working on it, anyway
<project3e> ROTFL
<MADHATter> i am really a yankee
<Zoom> catching up on emails brb
<MADHATter> living amongst rednecks
<MADHATter> ;)
<project3e> Please ezplain to our international folk....
<Zoom> a damn yankee...one that moved south and never went home...LOL
<TiMax22> yes or i start to talk in Bergamasco eheh
<Zoom> LOL
<MADHATter> hehe, indeed
<project3e> I'm  a San Diego transplant redneck
<webmedic> ho yall doin oer yonder
<project3e> nice try Brook
<MADHATter> ;)
<webmedic> I'm uh just an american
<TiMax22> ma si dre a conta so cos'è pò, ga rie mia a gnisne fo
<MADHATter> she is close
<MADHATter> actually
<project3e> hehe
<MADHATter> zoom:
<project3e> si si ciao!
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<webmedic> that was supposed t obe how
<MADHATter> I forwarded you a copy
<MADHATter> of Royce's proposal
<TiMax22> no is not italian that
<MADHATter> look it over
<MADHATter> we need to vote on it
<project3e> it's close, huh?
<Zoom> Zoom readsing it now
<MADHATter> Brook, would you like a copy ?
<Zoom> hang on a sec..while I read it
<project3e> Do we have coders?
<MADHATter> yes, we have a few
<TiMax22> read fast please ...... like redcheck
<TiMax22> :D
<MADHATter> saytheb is a good coder
<MADHATter> ak is a good coder
<project3e> theme designers = deonya, webmedic
<MADHATter> brrok is a coder
<MADHATter> i can code a little
<MADHATter> brook*
<TiMax22> more of few but someona are in vacances
<project3e> I'm known as a "hacker"
<MADHATter> good
<MADHATter> max has some members out on vacation also
<project3e> I can hack any PHP code you give me, like changing the TEXT
MESSAGES....
<TiMax22> me also i can code, and Cino can code
<project3e> CINO, kewl
<Zoom> ok I dont have a problem with that doc yhou sent me Brian....it
actually takes some responsibility off the Project Mangewr position
<project3e> I remember him, any guys from surflondon??
<TiMax22> Zoom: so today we tell that Brian are new our PM
<webmedic> Sure  iwould like a copy
<TiMax22> zoom : i want to know if you agree also that i take  Localized
Manager
<project3e> You could have regional managers?
<Zoom> Works for me Max....I agree you should be the Localization Manager
<TiMax22> ok
<project3e> Or "Italian International Manager"
<TiMax22> after we work to found support manager but we found program
manager
<project3e> or "International Manager: Italy"
<Zoom> Naw...He is really Canadian...LOL
<TiMax22> program manager is person to change channel in our television
...... :D
<project3e> Oh! realy
<Zoom> LOL...good one Max
<project3e> hehhe, I use the best remote controls...
<project3e> made in Mexico
<TiMax22> i m Italian Canadian Bergamasc ..... international
<project3e> truely international
<project3e> So postnuke.it is in Canada?
<Zoom> LOL
<TiMax22> but more of that im  the TiMax LOL
<TiMax22> no
<TiMax22> me is in canada
<Zoom> lets get back to business.....
<MADHATter> brook: sent
<TiMax22> i have all my staff in Italy
<project3e> yes
<TiMax22> and my server is in Texas
<TiMax22> but other server are here in Canada
<TiMax22> and other server more in Italy ...... so you can see i m
Intercontinental eheh
<project3e> [sidebar conversation] kewl
<project3e> What's next Zoom?
<MADHATter> well
<Zoom> OK.....so lets get something accomplished here......someone brong me
up to speed I just got home from work
<TiMax22> we have also Marino our spanish support can make for some time
support manager
<TiMax22> he is not there tonight because he work in next hours
<MADHATter> yes
<TiMax22> so maybe we can have program and support manager
<MADHATter> i sent him an email
<project3e> Deonya left, but he does really good graphic work
<MADHATter> deon is the design leader, if there are no objections that is'
<TiMax22> i don't know i not see work of deonya
<project3e> illdesign.project3e.com
<MADHATter> you will in a few days
<project3e> try his page
<MADHATter> he is doing our new theme
<MADHATter> actually
<MADHATter> a couple
<project3e> nice!
<Zoom> we need Deonya to communicate more on site and on list to confim him
in that role Brian
<project3e> he was just here
<MADHATter> that can be arranged
<MADHATter> it is a temp assignment, for now
<Zoom> with that stipulation I agree to Him in that role
<project3e> How does the voting process go?
<Zoom> reason for the communication is to present a unified project
<MADHATter> his input from the design end of things will be excellent
<Zoom> and for other obvious reasons
<Zoom> cool
<MADHATter> of course, he was here earlier
<MADHATter> but is finishing up some work
<MADHATter> for us
<MADHATter> max, how about cino ?
<Zoom> excellent
<MADHATter> i want to get the officers nailed down
<MADHATter> so we can announce it
<project3e> that would hurt
<Zoom> yes we need to nail that down asap
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<MADHATter> and move on to coding release 1.00
<project3e> jk
<MADHATter> ;)
<project3e> Are we waiting on something?
<webmedic> Yes code good
<webmedic> me like code
<MADHATter> so, the positions that are filled so far are:
<project3e> someone having conversations off the list?
<MADHATter> we will get to that
<MADHATter> sit tight
<MADHATter> ok, here we go:
<MADHATter> Project Manager:
<MADHATter> :D
<MADHATter> me
<project3e> :?
<project3e> :p
<MADHATter> Program Manager:
<MADHATter> Royce Holden
<MADHATter> Support Manager:
<MADHATter> Marino
<Zoom> who is Marino
<project3e> Dan
<MADHATter> he is Max associate
<MADHATter> oh wait
<project3e> oh, ok,
<MADHATter> we didn't mention that
<Zoom> ?
<MADHATter> you missed it earlier
<Zoom> evidently...fill me in please
<MADHATter> ok
<MADHATter> Localization Manager:
<MADHATter> TiMax
<MADHATter> Doc Manager:
<MADHATter> our beloved Zoom :)
<project3e> yeah
<project3e> is the Localization "Manager" same as "Director"?
<MADHATter> No
<MADHATter> Internatinal Support and such, mostly
<MADHATter> one big huge Community type of thing
<Zoom> May as well merge those two roles
<MADHATter> works here
<Zoom> I see no reason to seperate them now...Max is excellent with this
<Zoom> Max you ok with that?
<MADHATter> he is off
<Zoom> damn
<MADHATter> having problems all night
<project3e> I didn't see "localization manager" in in the original
organizational doc, that's all
<MADHATter> Localization Director:
<MADHATter> This elected position is responsible for researching and
implementing new languages and localizations for the entire project. This
position answers directly to the Project Manager and the Founders
(Specifically TiMax). This officer also tends to multilingual and
translation duties for all project documentation. The officer must be
prepared to interact daily with the community and the Documentation Manager.
Duties are, but not limited to:
<MADHATter>
<MADHATter> 1) Language translations.
<MADHATter> 2) Document translations.
<MADHATter> 3) Coordinating between various international support sites and
the other officers and Founders of the project.
<MADHATter> 4) Recruit non-English speaking people to interact with and/or
join our project.
<MADHATter> 5) Help with coordinating international web sites with the main
Envolution web site.
<MADHATter>
<MADHATter>
<MADHATter> This position requires daily interaction with the community and
the Project Manager as well as language specific support sites. This officer
must be able to speak English and at least one other language. This officer
should also expect to seek out other non-English speaking people to help
with localization issues and support.
<MADHATter> Lead Developer:
<Zoom> whoever wrote that was a genius
<project3e> Yes, that's what I read
<Zoom> LOL
<MADHATter> saytheb
<Zoom> sigh
<project3e> but no "Localization Manager" was mentioned... ;)
<MADHATter> ohh, my bad
<MADHATter> *SMACK*
<project3e> :p
<MADHATter> Design Leader:
<MADHATter> Wayne Fields
<MADHATter> (deonya)
<Zoom> cool didnt know hie real name
<MADHATter> Code developers:
<MADHATter> Brook Humphrey
<Zoom> Lead Developer fiorst
<MADHATter> i did
<MADHATter> read up
<Zoom> ack sorry I see it now
<webmedic> Wow I better get coding if'n im doin it all by myself
<MADHATter> Andrei Kivilev (ak)
<project3e> what are you coding?
<webmedic> thats better
<MADHATter> cino
<MADHATter> and some others (unconfirmed)
<project3e> Will Envolution be using sourceforge?
<project3e> for CVS?
<MADHATter> that reminds me:
<MADHATter> CVS on SourceForge is working
<project3e> sweet
<MADHATter> (yes, for now)
<MADHATter> i want to use something else
<MADHATter> and we will, eventually
<Zoom> cool casue CVS on my machine is a total bitch to setup...Im still
trying to iron out the setup
<project3e> what is better?  Xoops? ;)
<MADHATter> :P
<project3e> I agree w/Zoom
<MADHATter> darn
<project3e> someone needs to write an installer for it
<MADHATter> i was going to ask you :P
<MADHATter> hehe
<MADHATter> anyway
<webmedic> I dont like cvs either I can get out of it but couls dnever
figure out how t oset it up for anything else
<Zoom> installs fine...setting it up to work securely and remotely is a
bitch
<MADHATter> am I forgetting anyone or anything ?
<MADHATter> any other officer related business or inout ?
<MADHATter> input*
<Zoom> I have it setup and you can access it on my machine if you SSH in and
use it locally...but that's it so far
<project3e> URL?
<webmedic> Brian I'll have the module done before this weekend. All thats
left is the ie bug
<Zoom> only that we need to get some community involvment with staff writers
etc
<MADHATter> yes, i agree zoom
<MADHATter> brook: good news
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<Zoom> hiya Deonya
<MADHATter> we do need some staff writers, support people
<project3e> Wayne is back
<MADHATter> news posters, etc
<Zoom> need a bunch of them
<MADHATter> yes, tons
<Zoom> writers and support people
<MADHATter> the more the merrier
<project3e> We can start advertising on some of the "freeagent" websites
<webmedic> I post but I'm only one
<webmedic> we need to ge tlisted on hotscripts and the like
<MADHATter> yes, we do
<MADHATter> we also need people for that kind of stuf
<MADHATter> ....
<MADHATter> marketing
<MADHATter> spreading the word
<Zoom> good point webmedic......everyone should make a presence known daily
on site to answer questions...or at the very least acknowledge them
<project3e> yes, I am definately willing to do what zoom said
<MADHATter> cool
<Zoom> this is crucial to generating support and providing a confirming
atmosphere to the community
<Zoom> you provide a friendly receptive place and people will respond
positivly
<project3e> More importantly, is having the infrastructure up and in place
before making these posts (for me at least)
<webmedic> Have oyou noticed a spike in hits on the site
<project3e> I need to write articles for "end-users" that says:  Go here for
this....Sign up here for that...
<Zoom> this cant be done unless we all actually show up daily and type in
message to people...even simple stuff like..."I dont know but I will find
someone who does"
<project3e> yes, this should be daily, I agree
<Zoom> in forums and email lists specifically.....i have a goal
<MADHATter> yes Brook, I sure hae
<MADHATter> have*
<Zoom> that a forum post does not sit unanswered or acknowleged for more
than 12 hours if possible
<MADHATter> yes Royce, good idea
<MADHATter> done yet :P
<Zoom> ok done now
<Zoom> sorry...pet issue with me
<MADHATter> no, i was kidding
<MADHATter> another issue
<MADHATter> couple
<MADHATter> zoom touched on one
<MADHATter> the dev list
<project3e> bandwidth useage for this month for madhatt.info:  2.437566 GB
<MADHATter> i want massive traffic
<Zoom> on topic traffic
<MADHATter> all communication thru the dev list from now on if possible at
all
<project3e> What do you mean "topic" traffic?
<MADHATter> he means
<MADHATter> on the topic of traffic
<MADHATter> :
<Zoom> "on topic" none of the "did ya see what the packers did to the
cowboys saturday" type stuff
<MADHATter> at least i think
<webmedic> 8~0
<webmedic> 8~)
<project3e> No off topic stuff
<MADHATter> also
<project3e> like what Brook just did... ;)
<Zoom> to present a business and professional environment
<MADHATter> well, some OT type stuff is OK
<Zoom> I can create an off topic type list if that is desired
<MADHATter> lets not be deadly serious
<MADHATter> just serious apx. 99% of the time ;)
<Zoom> obviously Brina...I just mena to keep focused
<MADHATter> yes, OK
<Zoom> Brian even...damn still cant type
<MADHATter> also:
<MADHATter> instead od us meeting in small groups or one on one on AIM and
AIM
<MADHATter> all the time
<MADHATter> lets all meet here
<project3e> good idea
<MADHATter> that we can all discuss everything together
<Zoom> schedule??
<webmedic> I've been here almost constant since i missed the last one
<MADHATter> no set schedule
<webmedic> I just leave it logged on all the time
<MADHATter> just pop in
<Zoom> should we have a set meeting each week though??
<MADHATter> just like we do on AIM
<project3e> yes
<MADHATter> also, a meeting every week is needed
<MADHATter> for both devs
<MADHATter> and the Community
<project3e> Middle week, late EST
<project3e> At some point, our international users may need a different time
<MADHATter> probably so
<Zoom> agreed..weekends might be better for all anyway
<MADHATter> but TiMAx is on alot
<MADHATter> between all of us
<MADHATter> someone should be here almost all the time
<MADHATter> at least5
<MADHATter> at least*
<project3e> should we move this to envolution?
<MADHATter> a few of us, anyway
<MADHATter> move what to envolution ?
<MADHATter> i missed something
<project3e> this chat
<project3e> sorry, I'm on at postnuke.it
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<Zoom> WB Max
<TiMax> sorry some troubles with my connection
<MADHATter> np
<project3e> using the Macula jIRC module
<TiMax> what i have loss
<Zoom> you missed it Max..you are now the Project Manager of PostNuke!
<project3e> Max, Hi
<Zoom> LOL
<MADHATter> :D
<TiMax> now i m in 56 k :'S
<project3e> wow!
<Zoom> damn I only have a 26 waist
<Zoom> loose some weight Max...stop drinkin the expresso
<project3e> I'm 36 waist
<webmedic> zoom you skinny
<webmedic> 36 here
<project3e> VERY SKINNY!!
<TiMax> yes i know i m project manager of postnuke ...............it
<Zoom> good one Max
<deonya> i think i am the bigist here
<project3e> are you changing to envolution.it??
<TiMax> i hope i not repeat
<project3e> or make another one
<TiMax> i have both
<Zoom> brb gotta get something from the kitchen
<TiMax> some decision about support and program manager
<project3e> nice look to envolution.it
* Zoom is away: I'm busy
<TiMax> is only temporary
<TiMax> not very good
<project3e> ahh
<MADHATter> i like it also
<project3e> my site isn't that great either: project3e.com
<MADHATter> actually
<MADHATter> i am so sick of LogicII, and that is a fact
<MADHATter> :)
<project3e> amen brother
<webmedic> nice bright pretty colors. I wish I was better with themes. I got
the html but not the graphics
<project3e> heheh
<TiMax> so some decision about support and program ???
<MADHATter> program manger = Royce
<MADHATter> support manager = Marino
<MADHATter> ok ?
<webmedic> wonder if we couls get magix t orelease his envolution themes
<Zoom> whats Marinos real name
<MADHATter> yes, i will need that
<TiMax> real name of
<Zoom> and Cino's
<TiMax> marino is marino
<MADHATter> full name, max :P
<TiMax> Rean name of Cino is Romeo
<Zoom> full name please
<MADHATter> as a matter of fact, email me a list of your staff and members
that are wanting to join up
<TiMax> Marino Carlos
<project3e> I have Cino's full name in my email, give me a minute
<MADHATter> nicks and full names, so I can post the article announcing
everything
<Zoom> CC that list to me too Max please
<TiMax> and for Cino is Romeo Baldinelli
<project3e> yes, that's it!
<MADHATter> also, Max
<Zoom> ok 1 down Marino to go
<MADHATter> now is the time to get
<project3e> marino carlos
<MADHATter> some international coders, doc writers, news posters, support
volunteers lists to me (and Zoom)\
<TiMax> yes we can put one news about also
<Zoom> Max since you are the Localization Manager do you want to assume the
Localization Director role or have an apopintee working in that position for
you
<MADHATter> he wants it
<TiMax> yes but i need some days for that
<Zoom> ok so we merge the Localization/Manager role into one position
<Zoom> right?
<TiMax> right
<MADHATter> yes
<Zoom> manger/director role that is
<Zoom> ok cool
<TiMax> i have lot of questions i can start
<MADHATter> ok max, we will just announce officers right away anyway
<Zoom> I adjust the docs in the original doc in sections to reflect that
<MADHATter> already ?
<MADHATter> cool
<Zoom> no gimme a few minutes
<TiMax> ok first when you put news send me one mail so i can translate it
and put it in my siste also after of that i work ti make one private mailin
list for support site i done you adress so you can do same thing in next
time
<MADHATter> ok
<TiMax> for example i can make internews-9O8nC7T3vzcsIb/[email protected] .... and when you
send one email to this adress you send this email to all international
support sites
<MADHATter> that is a good idea
<project3e> yes
<MADHATter> zoom ?
<TiMax> so anyone when put one news online , and this news is important can
send one email in 10 seconds and are in all world
<MADHATter> i like it
<project3e> all in their native langauges?
<TiMax> after i want to install also mailbag module and this news is
automatically submited
<TiMax> yes
<project3e> that is very nice
<TiMax> i translate it in italian   marino in espagnol  zoom in english etc
<Zoom> great idea...and it should work the opposite way too...one for us and
it's sent to Max to post on the main site FROM interbnational sites
* Zoom is back (gone 00:09:52)
<project3e> oh, like Multisites for Envolution
<TiMax> yes .... we are one network
<TiMax> and that also is difference from postnuke
<webmedic> ANy more questions for me? If not I need to fis the ie bug
<project3e> should we have a standard Domain name like: envolution.us,
envolution.uk, etc.??
<TiMax> and if we work good we are able to speak all languages and have
developers in all languages
<TiMax> yes
<TiMax> we have .com .net .org .info.biz
<Zoom> Max and I were chatting about the defaults in  afresh install of
PostNuke being English-centric...we need to remedy that in Envolution after
the intial release.
<TiMax> yes for first release i propose that ...
<project3e> should we go to the standard county domain names though, is my
question?  .us, .uk?
<Zoom> so each default ships with language specific blocks and admin
messages and menus
<TiMax> we can prepare first release when it is ready we can send it to all
support sites to test it and can these support site make also one local
version of that ... and after go online with our first release with
<MADHATter> good idea
<project3e> Zoom:  That is a good idea
<TiMax> 3 version of that    official english language, localized versione,
and file of all translation of it
<TiMax> always for all and for all support sites official version of files
and docs is in english
<TiMax> all international support sites must have also english documentation
and files ..... and sure files and doc in his language
<MADHATter> royce: that would be nice to do that
<project3e> Are you guys thinking of doing what Xoops is doing with offering
links to various international support sites?
<TiMax> i try to write .. but before i must to think one little module to
show better our interntaional network site
<MADHATter> yes, we are actually
<TiMax> we think to be able to make some of better
<TiMax> LOL
<MADHATter> agreed max
<project3e> This would be truely unique and good for the world, I think.
<MADHATter> does someon have a copy of
<TiMax> i think one network can talk in bidirectional mode with main site
and main site is main developer but not only developer site
<MADHATter> myHeadlines module laying around ?
<icepickne> I agree, here is Australia, nobody has heard of  Envolution and
evryone is PHPNuke
<project3e> Hello icepickne!
<icepickne> hello
<project3e> Brian -- I don't
<MADHATter> hello
<Zoom> Hiya icepickne
<webmedic> hello
<Zoom> never heard of that module
<icepickne> hello zoom, finally get to meet you
<TiMax> icepickne is our Australia support site
<project3e> Do we have Aus. envolution support
<TiMax> yes i think i have it brian
<icepickne> Yes the site is up
<project3e> wonderful
<TiMax> i must search
<MADHATter> cool
<TiMax> yes
<MADHATter> looking for version 3.0+
<MADHATter> it has something i am interested in
<webmedic> hold on I may have it I'll look
<icepickne> (Link:
http://envolution-australia.com)http://envolution-australia.com
<MADHATter> that we may use
<TiMax> you can found our list of international support site there (Link:
http://www.envolution.it/envlist.html)http://www.envolution.it/envlist.html
<TiMax> i must delete envolution.de
<TiMax> but i waiting to talk with russian and polish also
<TiMax> and also we must show better international site in main site
<project3e> (Link:
http://www.jmagar.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=v
iewsdownload&sid=3)http://www.jmagar.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloa
ds&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=3
<project3e> this is for the newest Myheadlines
<TiMax> and maybe change portalizne to our spanish support :D
<webmedic> nope dont have it
<MADHATter> icepickne: nice site
<icepickne> thank you i am just a novice
<TiMax> who work to prepare first release ?
<MADHATter> thanks for the link
<icepickne> you welcome
<MADHATter> hissite was dead just yesterday
<MADHATter> we all will
<MADHATter> work on release
<TiMax> yes but one must be responsable to make package check it et c
<MADHATter> i will
<MADHATter> well, you and me
<TiMax> and wicth release we use
<project3e> Do we want uniformity in our DOMAIN names?  Or does that really
matter?
<MADHATter> since my cvs is not yet working :(
<Zoom> first we need to determine code base....714 or .72
<TiMax> 714  720 first second or other version
<project3e> I don't want to be a stick in the mudd!
<project3e> 714
<MADHATter> what domain are you wanting ?
<Zoom> we all family here Royce jump in whenever ya feel the chance
<TiMax> maybe last 720 without case problem
<MADHATter> .714 will work for me
<project3e> For Envolution international sites
<MADHATter> or .720, doesn't matter really
<TiMax> ok so 714
<project3e> Should we standardize on:  envolution.us, envolution.au,
envolution.uk, envolution.it
<MADHATter> we have some of the domains already
<TiMax> ok now postnuke or phpnuke .....
<TiMax> its a joke ehehhe
<MADHATter> yes, i think so royce
<project3e> This would be very professional
<TiMax> not always project
<TiMax> depends of laws of country
<TiMax> for example
<Zoom> pick one and lets stick with it.....the original .72 (not Neos crap)
would be waht I would use if you go .72
<TiMax> in france we have new domain from today is envolution-france.com
<TiMax> because to have envolution.fr you must have a big company only
<project3e> I see, Max
<MADHATter> ok, first
<MADHATter> let's vote on code base
<MADHATter> for .714 say I
<TiMax> 714
<icepickne> 714
<Zoom> hey the pn-dev list is like a Jackson Brown/Buffalo Springfield
concert....."no nukes"
<Zoom> 714 it is then
<MADHATter> .714 it is
<project3e> So, the standard domain name would be:  envolution-france.com,
envolution-australia.com, etc.
<MADHATter> LOL Zoom
<TiMax> ok who is responsable to make package ?
<project3e> can we all agree to this?
<MADHATter> royce and max, those domains are fine also
<project3e> sounds good
<MADHATter> consider that an I
<Zoom> I have the latest 714 with a bunch of updates already applied...its
the code running (Link: www.madhatt.com/dev)www.madhatt.com/dev test site
<MADHATter> i am already working off that ocde base
<MADHATter> code*
<project3e> So, if encompass-india.com isn't taken, GRAB IT!!
<Zoom> excellent
<TiMax> no depends of country ...... for italy for example is envolution.it
and when is not possible to have good exetnsion envolution-nameofcountry.com
<project3e> Max:  what about envolution-italy.com?
<TiMax> mmm
<TiMax> envolution italy or envolution italia
<TiMax> i can grab it .... no problem i send the bill to brian
<project3e> Would someone in USA know italia?  I would, because I'm a soccer
player... ;)
<MADHATter> :P
<project3e> heheh
<TiMax> eheheh not but in italyh yes
<TiMax> i can grab and redirec it to envolution.it no problem
<project3e> ok, great!  Then we have some uniformity, which makes us look
more professional than ever
<TiMax> we start to use cvs now
<MADHATter> yes
<MADHATter> it is setup, right max ?
<project3e> where is CVS now?  Can I use Win-CVS to access it?
<MADHATter> yes, on SourceForge
<TiMax> yes is setup a little but maybe is better zoom check it he love cvs
<MADHATter> no package there yet
<TiMax> i don t love it
<MADHATter> I can not get my WinCVS - PuTTY to work :(
<MADHATter> i personally hate it
<Zoom> lol no Zoom dont...LOL
<MADHATter> but is needed
<project3e> PuTTY, ok.  I have ssh if you need it
<TiMax> but why you use putty ?
<project3e> ssh-ftp, ssh-shell
<MADHATter> i have it and works for the shell, but not for CVS server @ SF
<TiMax> ehy royce do you know cvs a good ?
<project3e> web-based like hostnuke is using?
<TiMax> maybe we found also cvs manager ?
<MADHATter> hehe
<project3e> how about (Link:
http://savannah.gnu.org/)http://savannah.gnu.org/
<MADHATter> approved !
<project3e> NOOOO!
<MADHATter> i looked at that
<project3e> 8-)
<project3e> not feature righ enough?
<MADHATter> i don't know about savanah
<MADHATter> it looks a little complicated
<MADHATter> for win users
<MADHATter> from a glance, anyway
<webmedic> Man I've had a sourceforge account for a long time and still have
never figured out thier cvs
<MADHATter> most docs were for linux
<Zoom> until CVS is ironed out and learned by everyone I say we send all
patches and code to Brain and he can keep track and send out weekly tar.gz's
to download and work from???
<project3e> hey, that works
<TiMax> that is one idea
<MADHATter> can do
<MADHATter> sounds good
<MADHATter> but
<webmedic> That's good for me
<TiMax> and maybe also zip
<MADHATter> i do want to get CVS up and running soon
<Zoom> ok if you insist
<project3e> I agree, CVS is vital for coders
<webmedic> how bout tar.bz2 it's much better
<MADHATter> but this will do for now
<Zoom> as do I...install Red Hat Brain and make life easier!
<TiMax> not all people have it
<project3e> how about .hqx??? :)
<Zoom> lol
<webmedic> Well I have macs her but I don't use them
<TiMax> after ......
<webmedic> to develop on
<TiMax> is better if yo don t use them
<project3e> Macs are nice to look at
<project3e> that's about it
<Zoom> I'd like to have one just to play with..maybe install YellowDog Linux
on it
<TiMax> for graphics and logos ...... i have lot of people proposed me
graphics and logos
<project3e> unless you have OS X
<Zoom> take em all Max...and refer em to Deonya
<project3e> exactly
<project3e> Brian:  what about the CVS hostnuke is using?
<TiMax> good
<TiMax> i have also some people aks to work around some themes so i redirect
they to deonya
<TiMax> hey deon are here
<TiMax> are more live ?
<MADHATter> royce, what about it ?
<deonya> back sorry
<Zoom> Hey Deonya...ya got a time table for the new skin?
<project3e> Can it do the job for code devs?
<MADHATter> i have never used their CVS
<MADHATter> as long as it is a CVS system
<MADHATter> absolutely
<TiMax> good deon i need your email ..... i need to know what is our logo
....i need dollars also
<project3e> how about this one: (Link:
http://www.opencores.org/cvs.shtml)http://www.opencores.org/cvs.shtml
<Zoom> I dont think we should use Hostnuke
<deonya> [email protected]
<project3e> hostnuke is just using some open source CVS right?
<deonya> I have the design about done I am at the stage of doing the css
<MADHATter> zoom, why not ?
<Zoom> yes...but Hostnuke is = PostNuke core people
<deonya> and I might changes the look of the links  at the top of the design
but thats about it
<MADHATter> opencores, just a cvs service only ?
<project3e> Zoom:  I'm saying we load up the web-based CVS onto
envolution.com and use it there
<MADHATter> i will go for that
<project3e> Brian:  Yes, what else does it need to be?
<MADHATter> nothing
<MADHATter> we are writing the rest
<MADHATter> ;)
<Zoom> web based??? Got a URL??
<MADHATter> look up
<MADHATter> :P
<TiMax> good deon but we need at least logo .... for one idea about ....
<TiMax> and to make some little pics like topics etc....
<project3e> Zoom: hold on, I'll check
<deonya> let me show you a screen of what I have theres a logo on it but if
you dont like it I will make a new one
<project3e> Zoom and Brian:  (Link:
http://viewcvs.sourceforge.net/)http://viewcvs.sourceforge.net/
<project3e> Deonya:  I want to see!!
<TiMax> me also
<deonya> (Link:
http://illdesign.yoll.net/mhp3.gif)http://illdesign.yoll.net/mhp3.gif
<Zoom> thats just cvsWeb scripts...it depends on a running CVS system
<TiMax> very nice wow
<deonya> thanx
<TiMax> and what we do after ...... all support site have same theme ? is an
optionals
<project3e> Deonya, yes, very nice
<Zoom> Hostnuke is using CVS from Linux and using cvsWEB as the script to
view it from the web
<deonya> I took out the arrows there were only soppose to apper on mouse
over but I desided to make the links text insteed on images
<project3e> Zoom:  Ok, surely we can get a backend
<project3e> I see
<Zoom> THE backend is called CVS
<webmedic> (Link:
http://demo.horde.org/stable/horde/chora/cvs.php)http://demo.horde.org/stabl
e/horde/chora/cvs.php
<Zoom> [scott@www scott]$ rpm -q cvs
<Zoom> cvs-1.11.1p1-7
<Zoom> [scott@www scott]$
<webmedic> Tryu that one it's in php instead of perl\
<webmedic> it looks nice
<project3e> Oh crap, I forgot about the horde family of products...
<project3e> I'm getting tired...:(
<Zoom> (Link: http://www.cvshome.org)http://www.cvshome.org for CVS
<TiMax> maybe deon are you able to make logos first for us
<project3e> Zoom:  can you install this at envolution?
<Zoom> not without root access
<Zoom> to the server
<project3e> yes, I see, you need other parts of the linux file directory to
install stuff as root
<Zoom> I have it installed on my machine but configuring it is a bitch and
Im not done messing woith it yet
<project3e> let me see about that tomorrow
<project3e> I have to sleep now, good night to everyone
<Zoom> I can create a test account on my machine and someone can try to
access it from the outside and tell me if it works
<TiMax> go royce go
<Zoom> niters Royce
<TiMax> go to sleep royce you are old
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<MADHATter> ight
<MADHATter> night even
<project3e> next meeting time?  (for the record, I'm only 29 years old!)
<Zoom> Zoom be 35
<MADHATter> tomorrow
<MADHATter> same time ?
<TiMax> ehmmm i m 36
<project3e> same bat-time
<MADHATter> but shorter
<MADHATter> ;)
<project3e> k, l8er
<MADHATter> zoom: i will test it
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<MADHATter> once you get it up
<Zoom> ok gimme a sec
<TiMax> ok only one sec
<MADHATter> using ssh, right ?
<Zoom> it's up...just creating your account right now
<Zoom> yes
<TiMax> so all agree also for Gregor enter in our Staff
<MADHATter> ????????????????????
<TiMax> ahhahaLOL
<MADHATter> :P :P :P :P
<TiMax> i think now zoom need  doctor ehhe
<TiMax> you see he not talk
<TiMax> he is shocked eheh
<MADHATter> lol
<TiMax> cal 911 for zoom please
<MADHATter> brook: i like that PHP Cvs link also
<TiMax> maybe tomorrow i work around some hacks for admin .......
<MADHATter> send me that list
<MADHATter> also put designers on there
<Zoom> ok Brian try to connect to (Link: www.kindley.net)www.kindley.net via
CVS
<MADHATter> jan
<MADHATter> ok
<MADHATter> unix path ?
<Zoom> if that fails Brian you can SSH into (Link:
www.kindley.net)www.kindley.net and do CVS from a shell prompt..you can
upload files to your account space via ftp
<Zoom> path to what??
<MADHATter> cvsroot/envolution ??
<Zoom> /home/cvsroot
<Zoom> type echo $CVSROOT from a prompt
<TiMax> ?hey boys i want to re try to work with linux .... which release of
it tell me to use ? red hat
<Zoom> Red Hat 7.3
<Zoom> is what I am using
<TiMax> you think is the best
<TiMax> and i must also reconvert all my disk in fat32
<TiMax> linux can't read ntfs
<webmedic> why redhat
<TiMax> correct
<Zoom> from a SSH prompt Brain type cvs -d :pserver:localhost:/home/cvsroot
init
<webmedic> well ntfs is kind of a sticky thing
<Zoom> Linux can read NTFS all day long..writing to it is still experimental
<webmedic> did they get ntfs for xp fixed yet?
<Zoom> from a SSH prompt Brain type cvs -d :pserver:(Link:
www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot)www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot init
<TiMax> yes so if i want use dual boot i must use fat32
<Zoom> no you dont Max
<MADHATter> seperat your type a littlescott
<MADHATter> after the cvs -d
<MADHATter> what is next
<TiMax> is smiles eheh
<MADHATter> it turns it into a symbol for me
<MADHATter> or smiles, actually
<Zoom> Read this Max: (Link:
http://www.redhat.com/advice/tips/)http://www.redhat.com/advice/tips/
<Zoom> from a SSH prompt Brain type                          cvs -d
:pserver:(Link: www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot)www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot
init
<Zoom> from a SSH prompt Brain type                 cvs -d :pserver:(Link:
www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot)www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot init
<TiMax> read log brian
<TiMax> LOL
<TiMax> put one space zoom
<Zoom> from a SSH prompt Brain type     cvs -d :pserver:(Link:
www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot)www.kindley.net:/home/cvsroot init
<TiMax> is d  :
<Zoom> yes
<MADHATter> and then
<MADHATter> ?
<MADHATter> what
<Zoom> that starts CVS for you. Now use CVS commands to do what ya need to
do.
<Zoom> lemme get ya a list of commands
<Zoom> stand by
<MADHATter> cvs -d:
<Zoom> (Link:
http://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs/cvs-tut/cvs_tutorial_toc.html)http://www.lori
a.fr/~molli/cvs/cvs-tut/cvs_tutorial_toc.html
<Zoom> (Link:
http://www.cvshome.org/docs/blandy.html)http://www.cvshome.org/docs/blandy.h
tml
<Zoom> (Link:
http://www.redhat.com/devnet/whitepapers/intro_dev/cvs.html)http://www.redha
t.com/devnet/whitepapers/intro_dev/cvs.html
<Zoom> (Link:
http://www.linux.ncsu.edu/lug/lectures/cvs/)http://www.linux.ncsu.edu/lug/le
ctures/cvs/
<Zoom> (Link:
http://kitenet.net/programs/sshcvs/)http://kitenet.net/programs/sshcvs/
<Zoom> (Link:
http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue57/nielsen.html)http://www.linuxgazette.com
/issue57/nielsen.html
<TiMax> brook
<TiMax> are you there ?
<MADHATter> what port
<MADHATter> connection refused
<Zoom> ssh refused ya???
<MADHATter> yep
<Zoom> lemme check it
<Zoom> isnt SSH port 22
<MADHATter> 22 it is
<MADHATter> on
<Zoom> still refusing ya?
<TiMax> webmedic ??
<MADHATter> damn
<MADHATter> was on
<MADHATter> protocol mismatch
<webmedic> yup
<TiMax> ok
<Zoom> you using SSH version 1 or 2
<TiMax> in the same time you work around hack of nes
<TiMax> news
<TiMax> why you don't put also hack to upload images in news ?
<webmedic> Well that one will be a little more involved
<webmedic> I'm not sure how to do it os that it looks good and well layed
out.
<TiMax> and also think to make one hacks like ...... if one person in admin
work in one news other person can open it ...
<webmedic> If I do the upload it will be to database
<TiMax> if you want i have one hack to leave upload images i can send you
and work around ......
<webmedic> I'm not sure I underastand the lasst one
<webmedic> surre that would be a start
<TiMax> about open news ?ù
<TiMax> is that  supposed you and me are admin of the same site
<webmedic> no about admin
<webmedic> yes
<TiMax> i go in admin site i open one news to modify it
<TiMax> you go in admin and want to modify same news of me ....
<TiMax> i think we must put one check for that
<webmedic> gotcha a lock so only one at atime
<TiMax> yes
<webmedic> I better start making a list of things todo.
<webmedic> I didn't realize the news module was sucha hack
<TiMax> and also ....... but i contact you tomorrow for that ... i must
check it ...
<TiMax> i have one very very very very very nice html editor to put in our
news module
<webmedic> Ok I'll look at it
<TiMax> light fast netscape compatibile and you can use it with button only
if you need it
<webmedic> that sunds good
<webmedic> sounds that is
<TiMax> yes but i want to check it because maybe we can put it to use with
api ........ so all modules can use it
<webmedic> Ah interesting so all we have to f ois call the object
<webmedic> to do that is
<TiMax> yes
<TiMax> any module can call it .....
<TiMax> ehi nobody talk about  which modules we want to include in first
release
<webmedic> Ok news is fixed for ie can you check it. Also whle your there
leave a commant about the admin so I dont forget
<TiMax> ehi now i see two buttons
<TiMax> ehehhe no is correct now
<TiMax> ehi is one define that ? i hope yes
<webmedic> I dont understand
<TiMax> next and prev is not hardcoded
<TiMax> for multilanguage
<TiMax> in english is next and prev ......but not in other languages
<webmedic> No I used the code from reviews
<webmedic> I can fix this but the multilanguage I'm not familiar with
<TiMax> try to put in  ._NEXT.
<webmedic> well part of the code from reviews it had to be changed allot
<TiMax> maybe is already in global defines
<TiMax> yes or if you need help to multilanguage .....ask me ......i m
specialized ehhe
<webmedic> it is that way ._NEXT. and ._PREVIOUS.
<webmedic> I wonderd why
<webmedic> that is I didn't understand why it was coded that way
<TiMax> yes but you can put also define in modules news eng global.php
<webmedic> Ah I get to work on it
<TiMax> because if you take reviews code .... defines is in global of review
language
<webmedic> Sure that is were I was headed
<TiMax> we must have total cms multilanguage
<TiMax> you know in postnuke.it also logos are multilanguage eheh
<webmedic> wow thatrs cool
<webmedic> thats cool
<webmedic> 8~)
<TiMax> yes
<TiMax> and maybe in future we must think also that topics images and logos
images multianguages
<TiMax> so if you change language you change language also for images
<TiMax> ok boys now i need some sleep  because i not have my good connection
.....
<TiMax> so see you tomorrow bye bye
<webmedic> Hey I just added the stuff to the globals
<webmedic> for eng
<webmedic> thanks now the links even look right. Learnig more about postnuke
coding all the time.
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<MADHATter> i am finally on CVS at Scott's machine
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<webmedic> brian?
<MADHATter> yes
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<MADHATter> yes Brook ????
<webmedic> Is there anything that you think is missing mosule wise that you
would like me to look at
<webmedic> module
<MADHATter> as far as new modules, you mean ?
<MADHATter> or existing ?
<webmedic> new or fixing up old either
<MADHATter> ahh
<MADHATter> well, yes
<MADHATter> actually
<MADHATter> downloads is 250% a mess
<webmedic> I think i have quoite a list for the news and asociated modules
<MADHATter> have you looked at it lately ?
<webmedic> Ok I agree i never liked it
<MADHATter> me neither
<MADHATter> actually, they all could use imrpovement
<MADHATter> but News, Downloads, Sections
<MADHATter> Reviews, Links, FAQ
<MADHATter> News is the big one --the one everyone sees
<MADHATter> first
<webmedic> I'm more or less combining reviews and new right now
<MADHATter> reviews and News ?
<MADHATter> interesting
<webmedic> well reviews is kind of useless if you ask me
<webmedic> so instead have a catagory called reviews
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<webmedic> post it all as news and fix the blocks looking for reviews to
look in that catagory
<MADHATter> that makes sense
<webmedic> the reviews catagory
<webmedic> that way the reviews get postd to the front page
<webmedic> and also allow for multi page news
<MADHATter> that will be nice
<MADHATter> i saw that
<webmedic> it uses the regular news commanting system which is better
<webmedic> everything is good
<webmedic> as for pics
<webmedic> I'm thinking to support myegallery because
<webmedic> of the plugins for it
<MADHATter> myegallery is quite popular, from what i can tell
<webmedic> If a pic is in the gallery it would be able to
<MADHATter> not reallly my thing, but...
<webmedic> be used in an article
<MADHATter> yes, that i do like, though
<MADHATter> wow
<webmedic> the nice thing is that if the thumbs and pics are stored in the
database the article can access them directly
<MADHATter> i need to get up for work
<MADHATter> in 4 hours
<MADHATter> :(
<Zoom> back
<MADHATter> i am calling it an evening
<webmedic> Good night
<MADHATter> night all
<Zoom> okies me too then...gnite all
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