[EP-underground] EPrints 2.0!
ePrints Support <[email protected]> Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:11:54 +0000
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EPRINTS Version 2.0 Released 14th Feb, 2002
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We are proud to announce the official release of version 2
of the EPrints software for building online archives.
EPrints 2 creates a web based archive, containing
documents and metadata.
Features:
* OAI 1.1 Compliant
* Efficient word-indexed searching
* Support for mulitple archives on one server
* Much improved user interface, learning from experiences
of version 1
* The system is internationalised, and uses unicode
throughout. (XML config files + language phrase files)
* Free Software (GPL)
* Object Oriented Design and API which allows addition
of in house modules, scripts and other functionality
* Fully customisable
* Fixes common complaints about eprints v1
- Nifty installation, (eprints 1 required make and
configure, eprints 2 does not)
- Web based registration, where you are emailed a pin -
eprints 2 does not need to receive email
For more infomation see:
http://www.eprints.org/
For a demo see:
http://demoprints.eprints.org/
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Related News:
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EPrints Community site is ready for use:
http://community.eprints.org/
It's brand new. Add Stuff.
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Budapest Open Access Initiative
"The OSI Information Program is committing funding of 1
million US dollars per year for three years in support
of open access projects."
...which is nice, and may be relevant to you.
http://www.soros.org/openaccess/index.shtml
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From: Christopher Gutteridge <[email protected]>
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Subject: [EP-underground] Setting Up an Archive
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Hi, the more I think about it, the more that I think that there are a
whole bunch of non-technical problems with setting up an archive (eprints
based or otherwise). I think people might find it helpful to share strategies.
- how to get funding
- is it really worth doing?
- archive policies
- what metadata?
- now we've done all that, how do we get people actually using it (carrots
and sticks).
I've had some experiences with our deparmental archive, running (the
technical side of) cogprints, and listenting to other peoples reports.
Possibly specifics these could be discussed on the "community forums" linked
from the bar at the top of the eprints.org page, and then the most useful posts
plus summaries and conclusions could be digested.
comments?
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From: "Karl O . Pinc" <[email protected]>
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Subject: [EP-underground] Would eprints support peer review?
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Hello,
I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
it be hacked to make it suitable?
From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
everything on-line. There must also be some way to
upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
access controls which might be necessary to control
who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
in place.
Thanks.
Karl <[email protected]>
P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
which majordomo generates upon subscription.
Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
and I could copy the address before it worked.
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From: Christopher Gutteridge <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [EP-underground] Would eprints support peer review?
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Ha!!! I've spent the whole day talking to people about
how to add a peer review system into EPrints.
Your task may be simpler than this. You know that 'commentary on'
field in the second page of a submission: That's for entering
the ID number of another item in the system. The commentary will
be linked from the abstract page of the item it's a commentary on.
"commentary" is just a name for this. Don't forget you can override
any text, cut and paste stuff from the system phrase file into the
archive phrase file (don't just edit it in the system phrase file
as that'll be overwritten when you upgrade.) You could rename instances
of the word "commentary" to "review" etc.
Play with demoprints.eprints.org if you need to see this working.
On a more huge-amounts-of-work note, I'm considering how the "submission
buffer" can be (optionally) replaced with a single-blind peer review system.
I am guessing there is a "market" for a free software online peer review
journal. Anyone who is actively interested, let me know.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:59:58PM -0600, Karl O . Pinc wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
> They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
> submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
> the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
> it be hacked to make it suitable?
>
> >From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
> be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
> everything on-line. There must also be some way to
> upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
> is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
> access controls which might be necessary to control
> who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
> in place.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Karl <[email protected]>
>
> P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
> list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
> which majordomo generates upon subscription.
> Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
> I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
> and I could copy the address before it worked.
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From: ePrints Support <[email protected]>
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Subject: [EP-underground] Re: checking user input
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(replying to eprints-underground too) sorry for being a list-facist <grin>
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How about adding a new document type - "NASA security signoff" or something
- You don't have to render a link on the abstract page, but you can if you
want.
You can add a requirement in the validation system that it must have a
security form as well as the human versions. This could even be conditional
on "type" - only some types of eprint may require this form.
This assumes that the user depositing can get an electronic document
from the security chaps, and that it is the depositing user's problem.
This also creates the handy situation that the security statement is archived
WITH the document. If the statemnt is for some reason not public you can
use the "automatic" fields to force it to a new security settings. Just because
a doc format isn't linked from the abstract page, it can still be accessed
by someone guessing the right URL.
If you want the security checking to be the problem of the archive editor(s)
then I can suggest something else.
-= chris
ps. NASA using stuff what I wrote. How neat is that? -= I'm still a kid at
heart.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 12:08:56PM -0600, Faine, Mark wrote:
> Well the information they would be submitting would be NASA technical
> reports. It is our policy to only allow non-classified, non export
> restricted material on the site. Problem is the user submitting a
> document may not comply with this. Currently with our old system the person
> submitting the report to be put online must also provide a form provided by
> the security people to prove it is non-classified material. Once this form
> has been submitted along with the report, both are filed and the report is
> sent to me to be placed online. This ensures that if we are ever questioned
> about a document in the future, we have the form on file that shows that
> proper authorization has been obtained and the report is not in any way
> classified.
>
> I know it's bureaucratic but this is the government after all.
>
> Personally I believe scrutinizing the documents in the buffer before putting
> them online may be enough but I do not know if they will agree.
>
> -Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kemp [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:03 AM
> To: EPrints.org Technical List
> Subject: Re: [EP-tech] checking user input
>
>
> Thoughts from a security non-expert: Presumably there are any number of
> researchers in your organisation in a position to publish material to the
> web as is - they don't need an eprint archive to do this, so the first thing
> that occurs to me is - how do you stop it happening now?
>
> Remembering that uploaded documents go into a buffer for approval firs,
> maybe it's a question of setting up systems for vetting materials so that
> people take a responsible approach to what's uploaded. Make it clear that
> all documents are inspected when they are first uploaded to the buffer, with
> an additional thorough security check on a random selection of documents.
>
> Would this be adequate, or do you need something really watertight?
>
> Bob
>
> At 10:04 AM 2/19/02 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
> We need some way to ensure that our users are not placing restricted data
> online, How can I be assured that the data that has been submitted by an
> eprints 2 user is data that has been approved as non-restricted data?
> Everyone here suggests having only one user who is allowed to imput data
> into the eprints archive. Personally I believe this defeats the purpose all
> toghether, any ideas?
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
>
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Check out the online peer-reviewed journal, JIME, at
http://www-jime.open.ac.uk as one example. This utilizes
the D3E (digital document discourse environment) now
on sourceforge http://d3e.sourceforge.net
-Mike.
Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
>
> Ha!!! I've spent the whole day talking to people about
> how to add a peer review system into EPrints.
>
> Your task may be simpler than this. You know that 'commentary on'
> field in the second page of a submission: That's for entering
> the ID number of another item in the system. The commentary will
> be linked from the abstract page of the item it's a commentary on.
>
> "commentary" is just a name for this. Don't forget you can override
> any text, cut and paste stuff from the system phrase file into the
> archive phrase file (don't just edit it in the system phrase file
> as that'll be overwritten when you upgrade.) You could rename instances
> of the word "commentary" to "review" etc.
>
> Play with demoprints.eprints.org if you need to see this working.
>
> On a more huge-amounts-of-work note, I'm considering how the "submission
> buffer" can be (optionally) replaced with a single-blind peer review system.
>
> I am guessing there is a "market" for a free software online peer review
> journal. Anyone who is actively interested, let me know.
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:59:58PM -0600, Karl O . Pinc wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
> > They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
> > submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
> > the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
> > it be hacked to make it suitable?
> >
> > >From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
> > be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
> > everything on-line. There must also be some way to
> > upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
> > is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
> > access controls which might be necessary to control
> > who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
> > in place.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Karl <[email protected]>
> >
> > P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
> > list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
> > which majordomo generates upon subscription.
> > Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
> > I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
> > and I could copy the address before it worked.
>
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>
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Dear Les,
I have forwarded your queries to Chris & Mike and will
forward their replies to the BOAI list.
Cheers,
Stevan
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, lesliekwchan wrote:
> First, congratulations to Chris and Mike for getting the Eprints2
> ready. Nice piece of programming indeed.
>
> We also spent the weekend trying to install Eprints2 and it was
> not trivial indeed. We are trying to install it on a MAC G4 running
> OSX, but running into problems with missing perl modules etc.,
> but we are getting closer. Our major concern however, is that
> once Eprints2 is up and running, how do we port the data from
> Eprint1? There does not seem to be a simple way to do that, and
> this may deter users of EP1 from moving to EP2, or new users
> from installing EP2 not knowing how migration is to be handled
> in future upgrades. Could Chris or Mike address this issue?
>
> I also like Jean-Claude's idea of having a technical group that
> help with the set up of eprints archives. Perhaps fund could be
> obtained to develop an installation manual as well as an self-
> archiving manual for those who are not technies. With due
> respect to Chris and Mike, writing code is one thing, but writing
> technical and user manual is an entirely different set of skills.
> The latter are worth investing in if we expect wider adoption of the
> software and the process, especially in the library communities.
>
> Cheers
> Leslie
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Max OSX - yipes, we tested under Redhat Linux 7.2 and aimed
for the general GNU/Linux platform. This said, given all the
libraries it needs, it should run OK under any GNU or UNIX
system with a filesystem which supports symlinks. OK. OK, I'll
stop the tech speak now.
EPrints 2 was a total reworking of the first system - the basic
design of the software remains the same, but it has been totally
re-written. There is a years worth of work gone into it.
My plan is to write a script which will "suck" an eprints archive
into eprints 2. Actually my real plan is to find someone else to
do that. Maybe Mike....
There is also an import script in EPrints 2.0 which imports data
from an XML file. But I've spent every waking hour (and some
others) working getting the main system ready for Feb 14th. And
getting the core system done was the priority. Now I can look at
other parts of the system.
2.0 was only ready about feb 10 and we tested it for the next few
days, I've done my best to document the system but it's aimed
at techies not managers.
I think that there is a need for a technical service to set up
peoples archvies.
And that there needs to be a forum, lists of experiences and
advice for non-technical issues.
(( Stevan, please check this over it's 3am and I'm not really
very focused ))
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:24:52AM +0000, Stevan Harnad wrote:
> Dear Les,
>
> I have forwarded your queries to Chris & Mike and will
> forward their replies to the BOAI list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stevan
>
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, lesliekwchan wrote:
>
> > First, congratulations to Chris and Mike for getting the Eprints2
> > ready. Nice piece of programming indeed.
> >
> > We also spent the weekend trying to install Eprints2 and it was
> > not trivial indeed. We are trying to install it on a MAC G4 running
> > OSX, but running into problems with missing perl modules etc.,
> > but we are getting closer. Our major concern however, is that
> > once Eprints2 is up and running, how do we port the data from
> > Eprint1? There does not seem to be a simple way to do that, and
> > this may deter users of EP1 from moving to EP2, or new users
> > from installing EP2 not knowing how migration is to be handled
> > in future upgrades. Could Chris or Mike address this issue?
> >
> > I also like Jean-Claude's idea of having a technical group that
> > help with the set up of eprints archives. Perhaps fund could be
> > obtained to develop an installation manual as well as an self-
> > archiving manual for those who are not technies. With due
> > respect to Chris and Mike, writing code is one thing, but writing
> > technical and user manual is an entirely different set of skills.
> > The latter are worth investing in if we expect wider adoption of the
> > software and the process, especially in the library communities.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Leslie
>
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Eprints has also been adapted into an industrial-strength
peer review system by linking it with another database
manager. This was started here at Southampton by Alex
Bailey, who created BBSprints and then enhanced by
Andrew Hon and Ivan Kabanov (sp?) at CUP New York.
See: http://www.bbsonline.org
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> Ha!!! I've spent the whole day talking to people about
> how to add a peer review system into EPrints.
>
> Your task may be simpler than this. You know that 'commentary on'
> field in the second page of a submission: That's for entering
> the ID number of another item in the system. The commentary will
> be linked from the abstract page of the item it's a commentary on.
>
> "commentary" is just a name for this. Don't forget you can override
> any text, cut and paste stuff from the system phrase file into the
> archive phrase file (don't just edit it in the system phrase file
> as that'll be overwritten when you upgrade.) You could rename instances
> of the word "commentary" to "review" etc.
>
> Play with demoprints.eprints.org if you need to see this working.
>
> On a more huge-amounts-of-work note, I'm considering how the "submission
> buffer" can be (optionally) replaced with a single-blind peer review system.
>
> I am guessing there is a "market" for a free software online peer review
> journal. Anyone who is actively interested, let me know.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:59:58PM -0600, Karl O . Pinc wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
> > They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
> > submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
> > the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
> > it be hacked to make it suitable?
> >
> > >From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
> > be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
> > everything on-line. There must also be some way to
> > upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
> > is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
> > access controls which might be necessary to control
> > who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
> > in place.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Karl <[email protected]>
> >
> > P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
> > list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
> > which majordomo generates upon subscription.
> > Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
> > I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
> > and I could copy the address before it worked.
>
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Dear Andras, thanks, I will encourage eprints and others
to look at and perhaps incorporate your system. Knowing
your work, I expect it will be excellent. Perhaps
Peter can also add it to the list of peer-review software
in the BOAI FAQ.
Best wishes,
Stevan
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, LORINCZ, Andras wrote:
> Szia!
>
> Orulok, hogy tetszik -- eleg sok munkank van benne.
>
> Let me continue in English.
> I am building this system and I will not use this system for BOAI-like activities.
> However, I am suggesting to use it, because it can be implemented to automate
> any actual journal, including BBS, which is my prototype (!). Possibilities offered
> by present day software technology go much beyond the practice of BBS, however.
>
> I am building the system for medical applications. To me, the difference seems minor.
> The major difference is that 'reviewing/consulting' should be on-line (real-time)
> for medical applications.
> :-)
>
> Udv,
>
> Andras
>
> Stevan Harnad wrote:
>
> > Andras Szia,
> >
> > Nagyszeru (de vigyazz: ne hasznalj egy uj modszert
> > a regi helyet mielott be bizonyitottad hogy legalabb
> > ugyan azt a minoseget eler).
> >
> > Udv, Istv
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Feb 2002, LORINCZ, Andras wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Stevan, you might be interested in a tool that
> > > - can make open access library peer reviewed
> > > - can have evaluations on the reviewers without having access to the name of the reviewers,
> > > - can select reviewers into the editorial board and vice versa.
> > > Such construct could be useful for open publications (especially for NGOs).
> > > The comment below was written to the mailing list connectionst.
> > > You might be interested to have them joining your initiative, too.
> > > Congratulations on this initative -- it is an important step, I believe.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andras
> > >
> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> > > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 14:01:15 +0100
> > > From: "LORINCZ, Andras" <[email protected]>
> > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U)
> > > X-Accept-Language: en
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: "parallel submission" -- software
> > > References: <[email protected]>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > >
> > > Information distributing software with ACCESS CONTROL is available.
> > > If you wish to solve the original problem of Gabriele Dorothea Scheler
> > > and Johann Martin Philipp Schumann, you need to decide
> > > ONLY
> > > about access control at connectionists mailing list. Connectionists
> > > mail list serves as an advertisement place for technical reportss and
> > > papers. anyway. It is then a good idea to start parallel submission
> > > at this single point. There is not too much controversy in this
> > > statement.
> > >
> > > Here is an initiating suggestion, which may need to be
> > > polished/ironed/confronted.
> > >
> > > The author uploads his/her paper to to connectionists. Notification
> > > goes to everybody who has subsrciption. Uploading and notification
> > > are unmoderated. (One can set a filter his/her email not to accept
> > > mails from connectionists with subject 'new paper'.) The paper is
> > > cached at connectionists and becomes available for downloading.
> > > Anybody can make a review of the paper. Reviews are automatically
> > > linked to the paper. Reviews are secretive -- the reviewer has an
> > > ssh-like communication with connectionists -- and there is a public
> > > part of his code. The list and "top acknowledged reviewers" together
> > > can reveal the names of "top acknowledged reviewers".
> > >
> > > If the opinion of the reviewer is considered by the author then he/she
> > > can write a revised version of the paper. During uploading this
> > > revised version he/she is supposed to acknowledge the reviewer's
> > > public code. This is clearly in sake of the author -- provided that
> > > he/she would like to promote the reviewer. In turn, works which need
> > > improvments and are improved by the reviewer will serve as the basis
> > > of selection.
> > >
> > > If a reviewer is acknowledged, then this reviewer receives a credit
> > > (impact) point (factor). There is a ranking of reviewers according to
> > > their impact factors.
> > >
> > > There is a list of the top $n$ most acknowledged reviewers. The names
> > > of these $n$ reviewers can be discovered for the public. This is a
> > > decision of the reviewer if he/she belongs to this top. These
> > > acknowledged reviewers decide (vote) if a paper becomes 'accepted' or
> > > not. A paper can be accepted without acknowledgment, for example, if
> > > it is perfect. Acceptance means qualification. Acceptance may also
> > > mean the opening a forum for discussion about the paper -- which is
> > > open reviewing written by people (alike to discussions at BBS). Open
> > > reviewing happens through connectionists -- this will be made by
> > > another notification list. Top $N>n$ acknowledged reviewers have the
> > > right for open reviewing. Their names are provided. In turn, $N$
> > > acknowledged reviewers may be known to the public and $n$ top
> > > acknowledged reviewers may vote.
> > >
> > > Any journal can accept the paper. If an editorial board of a journal
> > > accepts the paper then it is a question to the author whether he would
> > > like to give the copyright to the journal or not -- he/she might be
> > > waiting for a better journal, or, alternatively, -- he/she might have
> > > submitted the paper to a journal at the very beginning and might have
> > > given the copyright to that journal to start with. If copyright is
> > > given to a journal, it should be noted for connectionists.
> > >
> > > It is the journals' problem how to deal with this challenge. The
> > > experienced shift of the editorial board of MLJ to JMLR provides a
> > > feeling about the possible outcome.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Andras Lorincz
> > > http://people.inf.elte.hu/lorincz
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. Anyone could build this software. There are freeware solutions,
> > > such as 'mailman'. We have also built one with intelligent search
> > > options. It has been thoroughly tested for Windows Explorer, but would
> > > not support Netscape. Any organization might decide to write/set
> > > up/buy a similar software. This seems to be a most probable step in
> > > the near future. In this case we shall experience a selective process
> > > similar to the evolution of electronic markets: Lots of attempts will
> > > start and only a few will survive. So, get started!
> > >
> > > P.P.S. I have put a paper onto the web. It is closely related to this
> > > topic It will appear in the Special Issue of IJFCS (International
> > > Journal of Foundations of Computer Science) on Mining the Web Title:
> > > "New Generation of the World Wide Web: Anticipating the birth of the
> > > 'hostess' race"
> > > http://people.inf.elte.hu/lorincz/ParallelSubmission/Lorincz_et_al_Intelligent_Crawler_revised.zip
> > > The paper is in a WinZipped postscript file.
> > >
> > > P.P.P.S. I like the idea of parallel submission. I have the feeling
> > > that some reviewers are negligent, may be lacking time, may be
> > > students (and lacking knowledge) of authorities on the field, and may
> > > be biased agaynszt non-nateave-Inglish-spieking autorz. :-)
> > >
> > > "S.Harnad" wrote:
> > >
> > > > This message is addressed to scholars and scientists and it concerns the
> > > > Budapest Open Access Initiative (BOAI) http://www.soros.org/openaccess
> > > > launched on 14 February by George Soros's Open Society Institute.
> > > >
> > > > To be useful, research must be used. To be used (read, cited, applied,
> > > > extended) it must be accessible. There are currently 20,000
> > > > peer-reviewed journals of scientific and scholarly research worldwide,
> > > > publishing over 4 million articles per year, every single one of them
> > > > given away for free by its researcher-authors and their
> > > > research-institutions, with the sole goal of maximizing their uptake
> > > > and usage by further researchers, and hence their impact on worldwide
> > > > research, to the benefit of learning and of humanity.
> > > >
> > > > Yet access to those 4 million annual research articles can only be had
> > > > for a fee. Hence they are accessible only to the lucky researchers at
> > > > that minority of the world's research institutions that can pay for
> > > > them. And even the wealthiest of these institutions can only afford a
> > > > small and shrinking proportion of those annual 20,000 journals. The
> > > > result is exactly as if all those 4 million articles had been written
> > > > for royalties or fees, just the way most of the normal literature is
> > > > written, rather than having been given away for free by their authors
> > > > and their institutions for the benefit of research and humanity.
> > > >
> > > > As a consequence, other researchers' access to all this work, and hence
> > > > its potential impact on and benefit to research progress, is being
> > > > minimized by access tolls that most research institutions and
> > > > individuals worldwide cannot afford to pay.
> > > >
> > > > Those access tolls were necessary, and hence justified, in the
> > > > Gutenberg era of print-on-paper, with its huge real costs, and no
> > > > alternatives. But they are no longer necessary or justified, and are
> > > > instead in direct conflict with what is best for research, researchers,
> > > > and society, in today's PostGutenberg era of on-line-eprints, when
> > > > virtually all of those Gutenberg costs have vanished, and those
> > > > remaining costs can be covered in a way that allows open access.
> > > >
> > > > The Budapest Open Access Initiative is dedicated to freeing online
> > > > access to this all-important but anomalous (because give-away)
> > > > literature, now that open access has at long last become possible, by
> > > >
> > > > (I) providing universities with the means of freeing online access
> > > > to their own annual peer-reviewed research output (as published in
> > > > the 20,000 established journals) through institutional
> > > > self-archiving,
> > > >
> > > > as well as by
> > > >
> > > > (II) providing support for new alternative journals that offer open
> > > > online access to their full text contents directly (and for
> > > > established journals that are committed to making the transition to
> > > > offering open full-text access online).
> > > >
> > > > It is entirely fitting that it should be George Soros's Open Society
> > > > Institute that launches this initiative to open access to the world's
> > > > refereed research literature at last. Open access is now accessible,
> > > > indeed already overdue, at a mounting cost in lost benefits to research
> > > > and to society while we delay implementing it. What better way to open
> > > > society than to open access to the fruits of its science and
> > > > scholarship, already freely donated by its creators, but until now not
> > > > freely accessible to all of its potential users? Fitting too is the
> > > > fact that this initiative should originate from a part of the world
> > > > that has known all too long and all too well the privations of a closed
> > > > society and access denial.
> > > >
> > > > Please have a look at the BOAI at http://www.soros.org/openaccess
> > > > and, if you or your organization are implementing, or planning to
> > > > implement either Strategy I or Strategy II, I hope you will sign
> > > > the BOAI, either as an individual or an organization.
> > > >
> > > > Below, I append links to some of the press coverage of the BOAI so far.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Stevan Harnad
> > > >
> > > > Declan Butler, Soros Offers Access to Science Papers (for Nature)
> > > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?U21535A6
> > > >
> > > > Ivan Noble, Boost for Research Paper Access (for BBC)
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1818000/1818652.stm
> > > >
> > > > Michael Smith, Soros Backs Academic Rebels (for UPI)
> > > > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=12022002-031227-9710r
> > > >
> > > > [Alexander Grimwade, Open Societies Need Open Access (The Scientist)
> > > > http://www.the-scientist.com/yr2002/feb/comm_020218.html ]
> > > >
> > > > [Denis Delbecq, L'abordage des revvues scientifiques (Liberation,
> > > > Paris)
> > > > http://www.liberation.com/quotidien/semaine/020214-050019088SCIE.html ]
> > > >
> > > > [http://slashdot.org/]
> > >
>
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Dear Dario,
See the registries at:
http://oaisrv.nsdl.cornell.edu/Register/BrowseSites.pl
and
http://www.eprints.org/users.php
With the BOAI, these numbers should soon be growing.
See also:
http://www.openarchives.org/service/listproviders.html
Cheers, Stevan
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Dario Taraborelli wrote:
> Stevan,
>
> I'm a PhD student at the Institut Jean-Nicod and I'm working with Roberto and Dan on the implementation of an eprint repository for our Institute.
>
> Besides, I also work as a voluntary editor for ODP - Open Directory Project) [I guess you know what it is, in case you don't here's a quick reference on the project http://dmoz.org/about.html ]
>
> ODP is a worldwide human built directory indexing and describing sites in the way other directories do, but on *noncommercial* criteria.
> It is currently used as database by Google, Netscape and many other search engines to retrieve descriptions and directory listings for each site.
>
> I've just suggested the creation of a category "Open Archives" (the name may still be changed) as a child of the tree "Open_Source/Open_Content": indexing in such a category the main references for the scientific-paper-access-freeing-campaign would give
the initiative a larger visibility.
>
> So I wanted to ask you a list of sites you would add to the category, you can either send the list to me or add them manually to the category once it is created.
> And what would be in your opinion the best name for the whole category? (Free access resources/ Open archives, other..?)
>
>
> Best,
>
> Dario
>
>
>
>
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>
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I am interested in this as well, from the perspective of eprints serving as
a base repository on top of which peer reviewed e-journals could be built.
It would be very nice if the Digital Document Discourse Environment
[D3e](d3e.open.ac.uk & d3e.sourceforge.net, and the platform for Jime
[Journal of interactive Media in Education - www-jime.open.ac.uk ) could be
integrated with eprints for these sorts of purposes
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf
> Of Karl O .
> Pinc
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:00 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [EP-underground] Would eprints support peer review?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
> They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
> submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
> the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
> it be hacked to make it suitable?
>
> From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
> be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
> everything on-line. There must also be some way to
> upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
> is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
> access controls which might be necessary to control
> who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
> in place.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Karl <[email protected]>
>
> P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
> list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
> which majordomo generates upon subscription.
> Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
> I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
> and I could copy the address before it worked.
>
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Sorry, Mike - I replied to the query before I got to your reply - I guess
that just means I agree with you.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mike
> Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 7:35 PM
> To: EPrints Underground List
> Subject: Re: [EP-underground] Would eprints support peer review?
>
>
>
> Check out the online peer-reviewed journal, JIME, at
> http://www-jime.open.ac.uk as one example. This utilizes
> the D3E (digital document discourse environment) now
> on sourceforge http://d3e.sourceforge.net
>
> -Mike.
>
> Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
> >
> > Ha!!! I've spent the whole day talking to people about
> > how to add a peer review system into EPrints.
> >
> > Your task may be simpler than this. You know that 'commentary on'
> > field in the second page of a submission: That's for entering
> > the ID number of another item in the system. The commentary will
> > be linked from the abstract page of the item it's a commentary on.
> >
> > "commentary" is just a name for this. Don't forget you can override
> > any text, cut and paste stuff from the system phrase file into the
> > archive phrase file (don't just edit it in the system phrase file
> > as that'll be overwritten when you upgrade.) You could
> rename instances
> > of the word "commentary" to "review" etc.
> >
> > Play with demoprints.eprints.org if you need to see this working.
> >
> > On a more huge-amounts-of-work note, I'm considering how
> the "submission
> > buffer" can be (optionally) replaced with a single-blind
> peer review system.
> >
> > I am guessing there is a "market" for a free software
> online peer review
> > journal. Anyone who is actively interested, let me know.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:59:58PM -0600, Karl O . Pinc wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
> > > They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
> > > submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
> > > the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
> > > it be hacked to make it suitable?
> > >
> > > >From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
> > > be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
> > > everything on-line. There must also be some way to
> > > upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
> > > is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
> > > access controls which might be necessary to control
> > > who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
> > > in place.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Karl <[email protected]>
> > >
> > > P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
> > > list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
> > > which majordomo generates upon subscription.
> > > Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
> > > I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
> > > and I could copy the address before it worked.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Gutteridge -- [email protected] -- +44
> (0)23 8059 4833
> >
> > ,___O<
> >
> _____________(___)____________________________________________
> ____________
> > | |
> |
> > | Now Playing: "Shattered" from | Certainly the game is
> rigged. Don't |
> > | Some Girls - The Rolling Stones | let that stop you; if
> you don't |
> > | | bet, you can't win.
> -- From "The |
> > | | Notebooks of Lazarus
> Long" by |
> > | | Robert Heinlein
> |
> >
> |___________________________________|_________________________
> _____________|
>
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Yes, this is exactly what I need to do, any pointers on how to do it? I
think I would like to render the link as this will show the manager types
that the security form is there with the document and would eliminate yet
another paper process, help with auditing, ISO 9001 and all that stuff
managers love to pester me with, not to mention making me look good in the
process.
Please some instructions on making these modifications and I will be most
grateful.
-Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: ePrints Support [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 5:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [EP-underground] Re: checking user input
(replying to eprints-underground too) sorry for being a list-facist <grin>
-----
How about adding a new document type - "NASA security signoff" or something
- You don't have to render a link on the abstract page, but you can if you
want.
You can add a requirement in the validation system that it must have a
security form as well as the human versions. This could even be conditional
on "type" - only some types of eprint may require this form.
This assumes that the user depositing can get an electronic document
from the security chaps, and that it is the depositing user's problem.
This also creates the handy situation that the security statement is
archived
WITH the document. If the statemnt is for some reason not public you can
use the "automatic" fields to force it to a new security settings. Just
because
a doc format isn't linked from the abstract page, it can still be accessed
by someone guessing the right URL.
If you want the security checking to be the problem of the archive editor(s)
then I can suggest something else.
-= chris
ps. NASA using stuff what I wrote. How neat is that? -= I'm still a kid at
heart.
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 12:08:56PM -0600, Faine, Mark wrote:
> Well the information they would be submitting would be NASA technical
> reports. It is our policy to only allow non-classified, non export
> restricted material on the site. Problem is the user submitting a
> document may not comply with this. Currently with our old system the
person
> submitting the report to be put online must also provide a form provided
by
> the security people to prove it is non-classified material. Once this
form
> has been submitted along with the report, both are filed and the report is
> sent to me to be placed online. This ensures that if we are ever
questioned
> about a document in the future, we have the form on file that shows that
> proper authorization has been obtained and the report is not in any way
> classified.
>
> I know it's bureaucratic but this is the government after all.
>
> Personally I believe scrutinizing the documents in the buffer before
putting
> them online may be enough but I do not know if they will agree.
>
> -Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Kemp [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:03 AM
> To: EPrints.org Technical List
> Subject: Re: [EP-tech] checking user input
>
>
> Thoughts from a security non-expert: Presumably there are any number of
> researchers in your organisation in a position to publish material to the
> web as is - they don't need an eprint archive to do this, so the first
thing
> that occurs to me is - how do you stop it happening now?
>
> Remembering that uploaded documents go into a buffer for approval firs,
> maybe it's a question of setting up systems for vetting materials so that
> people take a responsible approach to what's uploaded. Make it clear that
> all documents are inspected when they are first uploaded to the buffer,
with
> an additional thorough security check on a random selection of documents.
>
> Would this be adequate, or do you need something really watertight?
>
> Bob
>
> At 10:04 AM 2/19/02 -0600, you wrote:
>
>
> We need some way to ensure that our users are not placing restricted data
> online, How can I be assured that the data that has been submitted by an
> eprints 2 user is data that has been approved as non-restricted data?
> Everyone here suggests having only one user who is allowed to imput data
> into the eprints archive. Personally I believe this defeats the purpose
all
> toghether, any ideas?
>
> -Mark
>
>
>
>
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On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 09:38:22AM +0000, Stevan Harnad wrote:
> Eprints has also been adapted into an industrial-strength
> peer review system by linking it with another database
> manager. This was started here at Southampton by Alex
> Bailey, who created BBSprints and then enhanced by
> Andrew Hon and Ivan Kabanov (sp?) at CUP New York.
> See: http://www.bbsonline.org
>
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Christopher Gutteridge wrote:
>
> > Ha!!! I've spent the whole day talking to people about
> > how to add a peer review system into EPrints.
> >
> > Your task may be simpler than this. You know that 'commentary on'
> > field in the second page of a submission: That's for entering
> > the ID number of another item in the system. The commentary will
> > be linked from the abstract page of the item it's a commentary on.
> >
> > "commentary" is just a name for this. Don't forget you can override
> > any text, cut and paste stuff from the system phrase file into the
> > archive phrase file (don't just edit it in the system phrase file
> > as that'll be overwritten when you upgrade.) You could rename instances
> > of the word "commentary" to "review" etc.
> >
> > Play with demoprints.eprints.org if you need to see this working.
> >
> > On a more huge-amounts-of-work note, I'm considering how the "submission
> > buffer" can be (optionally) replaced with a single-blind peer review system.
> >
> > I am guessing there is a "market" for a free software online peer review
> > journal. Anyone who is actively interested, let me know.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 04:59:58PM -0600, Karl O . Pinc wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
> > > They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
> > > submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
> > > the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
> > > it be hacked to make it suitable?
> > >
> > > >From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
> > > be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
> > > everything on-line. There must also be some way to
> > > upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
> > > is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
> > > access controls which might be necessary to control
> > > who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
> > > in place.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Karl <[email protected]>
> > >
> > > P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
> > > list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
> > > which majordomo generates upon subscription.
> > > Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
> > > I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
> > > and I could copy the address before it worked.
> >
> > --
> > Christopher Gutteridge -- [email protected] -- +44 (0)23 8059 4833
> >
> > ,___O<
> > _____________(___)________________________________________________________
> > | | |
> > | Now Playing: "Shattered" from | Certainly the game is rigged. Don't |
> > | Some Girls - The Rolling Stones | let that stop you; if you don't |
> > | | bet, you can't win. -- From "The |
> > | | Notebooks of Lazarus Long" by |
> > | | Robert Heinlein |
> > |___________________________________|______________________________________|
> >
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I've heard of d3e from several places... And I have always considered
adding support for something like this.
It's under a BSD-like license so I am not inclined to bundle it, but
rather add hooks to eprints and another how-to. I'd like to link their
membership system into eprints. It's something not everyone will want,
so I think it's easier to keep it as a seperate package for now. Even
if that package is a customised d3e4ep (d4e for eprints <grin>)
I'm gonna mail the d3e people now for their ideas.
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 08:31:28AM -0500, Benjamin Keith Belton wrote:
> I am interested in this as well, from the perspective of eprints serving as
> a base repository on top of which peer reviewed e-journals could be built.
> It would be very nice if the Digital Document Discourse Environment
> [D3e](d3e.open.ac.uk & d3e.sourceforge.net, and the platform for Jime
> [Journal of interactive Media in Education - www-jime.open.ac.uk ) could be
> integrated with eprints for these sorts of purposes
>
> ____
> B. K. Belton | FSU School of Information Studies
> [email protected] | 850-645-5676
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf
> > Of Karl O .
> > Pinc
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:00 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [EP-underground] Would eprints support peer review?
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I'm having a conversation with a technical journal publisher.
> > They are looking for a way for authors and reviewers to
> > submit, and presumeably view, papers and peer-reviews on
> > the web. Would eprint be suitable for such a task? Could
> > it be hacked to make it suitable?
> >
> > From a quick look at the documentation it seems it would
> > be good at connecting reviews to papers and presenting
> > everything on-line. There must also be some way to
> > upload into the archive from a browser, so that part
> > is taken care of as well. But I imagine that the
> > access controls which might be necessary to control
> > who can see what and upload what, etc, might not be
> > in place.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Karl <[email protected]>
> >
> > P.S. There is no mention of the e-mail address of this
> > list either on the eprints web site or in the messages
> > which majordomo generates upon subscription.
> > Makes it kind of hard to use the list for the first time.
> > I had to wait until somebody else posted to the list
> > and I could copy the address before it worked.
> >
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A little note, there are (potentially) two catagories of free archives -
those which pubically advertise their content and/or allow it to be
searched. Which is kinda the OAI thing.
And those which allow general access to the full text of their contents.
Admittedly most archives in OAI probably allow public access to the full
texts, but it's good to consider this before you lump them all in together.
ttfn.
-chris
On Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:25:00PM +0000, Stevan Harnad wrote:
> Dear Dario,
>
> See the registries at:
>
> http://oaisrv.nsdl.cornell.edu/Register/BrowseSites.pl
> and
> http://www.eprints.org/users.php
>
> With the BOAI, these numbers should soon be growing.
>
> See also:
>
> http://www.openarchives.org/service/listproviders.html
>
> Cheers, Stevan
>
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Dario Taraborelli wrote:
>
> > Stevan,
> >
> > I'm a PhD student at the Institut Jean-Nicod and I'm working with Roberto and Dan on the implementation of an eprint repository for our Institute.
> >
> > Besides, I also work as a voluntary editor for ODP - Open Directory Project) [I guess you know what it is, in case you don't here's a quick reference on the project http://dmoz.org/about.html ]
> >
> > ODP is a worldwide human built directory indexing and describing sites in the way other directories do, but on *noncommercial* criteria.
> > It is currently used as database by Google, Netscape and many other search engines to retrieve descriptions and directory listings for each site.
> >
> > I've just suggested the creation of a category "Open Archives" (the name may still be changed) as a child of the tree "Open_Source/Open_Content": indexing in such a category the main references for the scientific-paper-access-freeing-campaign would give
>
> the initiative a larger visibility.
> >
> > So I wanted to ask you a list of sites you would add to the category, you can either send the list to me or add them manually to the category once it is created.
> > And what would be in your opinion the best name for the whole category? (Free access resources/ Open archives, other..?)
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Dario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________
> >
> > Dario Taraborelli
> >
> > Institut Jean-Nicod
> > 1bis, avenue de Lowendal
> > F-75007 Paris
> > + 33 (0)1 53 59 32 94
> > www.institutnicod.org
> >
> > [email protected]
> > [email protected]
> >
> > -> Support the Open Directory Project
> > http://dmoz.org/about.html
> >
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Chris,
thanks for your suggestion, I'll keep an eye on it :o).
The cat 'Open Archives' has been created: it is currently under the
following tree
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Open_Source/Open_Content/Open_Archives/
but I'll open asap a discussion in the editors forum about a better
location in the ontology of ODP. (I can immediately add cross links from
other categories such as Science/Reference or Science/Publications)
Any further suggestion is welcome, if you also have reference to papers and
general discussions on the project do not hesitate to submit them..
Best,
dario
> A little note, there are (potentially) two catagories of free archives
> - those which pubically advertise their content and/or allow it to be
> searched. Which is kinda the OAI thing.
>
> And those which allow general access to the full text of their
> contents.
>
> Admittedly most archives in OAI probably allow public access to the
> full texts, but it's good to consider this before you lump them all in
> together.
>
> ttfn.
> -chris
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Bonjour Christian,
Les moyens electroniques vont aider a accelerer le processus de
lectorisation, a le rendre plus economique, plus efficace, a mieux
distribuer la besogne, mieux echantilloner les lecteurs, etc. Mais
attendez encore un petit peu de progres vis-a-vis le jeu d'essai
classique -- la traduction et le traitement automatique des textes
arbitraires -- avant d'etre trop pret a ceder l'element de jugement
redactorial (donc humain) en faveur d'un sondage automatique...
Cordialement,
Etienne
Stevan Harnad
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Christian Rossi wrote:
> Bonjour
>
> Suite à la discution sur les revues avec comité de lecture
> gérées via un système tel que Eprints sur la liste eprints-underground
> voici mon point de vue sur ce type d'outils :
>
> Je pense qu'il faut garder un mécanisme d'évaluation proche ce celui qui
> existe dans les
> revues classiques mais en allant le plus loin possible en terme
> d'automatisation.
>
> Dans cet optique les auteurs et les évaluateurs sont indispensables
> et le lien entre eux est effectué par une application web de type Eprints.
> Avec uniquement ces trois élements : Auteurs - Serveur web - Evaluateurs
> une revue électronique avec comité de lecture doit exister.
>
> - Les auteurs déposent les articles via le web
> - Les évaluateurs sont choisis automatiquement par le système
> en fonction du sujet de l'article
> - Les auteurs et les évaluateurs communiquent de manière anonyme
> via le système pour les modifications à apporter à l'article
> - Les auteurs ne connaissent pas les évaluateurs
> - Les évaluateurs ne connaissent pas les auteurs de manière à ce qu'ils
> évaluent
> l'article de manière objective sans avoir d'a priori sur les auteurs
> - Les évaluateurs choisis ne se connaissent pas et ne communiquent pas entre
> eux
> - Si un nombre suffisant de modérateurs a accepté l'article il est
> imméditatement rendu visible sur le web et est annoncé par courrier
> électronique
> aux personnes qui en ont fait la demande
>
> Le but est d'avoir une revue dont le fonctionnement est le plus léger
> et le plus automatisé possible tout en conservant un mécanisme d'évaluation.
>
>
> --
> Christian Rossi
> CCSD/IN2P3/CNRS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Joseph Bogen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Stevan, Is there some way I can copy, in toto and in one fell swoop,
> my website with its many papers, into your archive?
> Joe Bogen <[email protected]>
Hi Joe,
Chris Gutteridge is working on software to do bulk transfers
of papers from non-OAI websites to OAI-compliant Eprints Archives.
I will ask him to let you know where that feature stands.
But I have to point out one detail, and then make a provisional
suggestions:
It is not a website that gets transfered, just the papers. To be able
to do this, there has to be a source from which the essential metadata
(authorname, date, journalname, papertitle, etc.) for each paper can be
derived automatically.
I've looked at http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jbogen/ and what I would
suggest is that the number of papers is reasonable enough so
the fastest solution is simply to pay a student for the 2 hours'
work it would take to transfer the papers either to Cogprints or
to one of CalTech's many OAI-compliant Eprint Archives! (Fortunately,
it does not matter whether you pick the central, CogPrints option or
the distributed, CalTech option: the OAI-compliance ensures that
they will be globally interoperable and harvestable either way.)
I have done this with my own papers. It's fast, costs very little
(surely there is a deserving student who would be happy for a couple
of hours work!), and the result is that one's papers are immediately
visible and accessible, universally and in perpetuum. (As they fill,
the collective interest in the preservation of these distributed Eprint
Archives and their continuous migration with each successive upgrade
will only grow.)
As you know, I've been an admirer of your work for over 30 years.
It is now accessible through google, because you have already
self-archived it on your home website. I hope you will make it
even more visible and accessible by having it copied to an OAI-compliant
archive. (It is even conceivable that by now CalTech, perhaps the most
advanced University in self-archiving, and leading the way for the
others http://www.arl.org/sparc/core/index.asp?page=g20#6 may already
have a service from the digital library staff, to do this sort of
transfer of proxy self-archiving for its researchers
http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/#institution-facilitate-filling )
Best wishes,
Stevan
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Joe:
As Stevan mentioned, Caltech does have a growing list of OAI-compliant
repositories maintained by the Caltech Library System. The current
repositories are available at: http://library.caltech.edu/digital/
The library will set up a repository for any Caltech research unit that
wants one. A research unit may be an individual faculty member, a research
group, an option, a division,... The library has only two basic
requirements:
1. you must be able to sign the Author Permission Agreement (see
http://caltechcstr.library.caltech.edu/documents/disk0/00/00/03/06/00000306-
00/caltechCSTR_permission.pdf)
2. the library considers this an archive, we do not remove items
from the repository.
For example, look at the policies of the Computer Science Technical reports
repository at
http://caltechcstr.library.caltech.edu/documents/disk0/00/00/03/07/00000307-
00/CaltechCSTR_policy.pdf
Document management and submission is done in collaboration with the Caltech
librarian of your discipline. Kim Douglas, the head of technical information
services and the director of the Sherman Fairchild Library, will be in touch
with you to study the feasibility of setting up a repository for you. If you
can convince your biology colleagues, we'll even set one up for the whole
division...
Looking forward to having your reports in our Digital Collection,
--Eric Van de Velde,
Director of Library Information Technology
Caltech.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stevan Harnad [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:56 AM
To: Joseph Bogen; [email protected]; Ed Sponsler;
Eric F. Van de Velde
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Automatic transfer from website to Eprints Archives
On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Joseph Bogen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Stevan, Is there some way I can copy, in toto and in one fell swoop,
> my website with its many papers, into your archive?
> Joe Bogen <[email protected]>
Hi Joe,
Chris Gutteridge is working on software to do bulk transfers
of papers from non-OAI websites to OAI-compliant Eprints Archives.
I will ask him to let you know where that feature stands.
But I have to point out one detail, and then make a provisional
suggestions:
It is not a website that gets transfered, just the papers. To be able
to do this, there has to be a source from which the essential metadata
(authorname, date, journalname, papertitle, etc.) for each paper can be
derived automatically.
I've looked at http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jbogen/ and what I would
suggest is that the number of papers is reasonable enough so
the fastest solution is simply to pay a student for the 2 hours'
work it would take to transfer the papers either to Cogprints or
to one of CalTech's many OAI-compliant Eprint Archives! (Fortunately,
it does not matter whether you pick the central, CogPrints option or
the distributed, CalTech option: the OAI-compliance ensures that
they will be globally interoperable and harvestable either way.)
I have done this with my own papers. It's fast, costs very little
(surely there is a deserving student who would be happy for a couple
of hours work!), and the result is that one's papers are immediately
visible and accessible, universally and in perpetuum. (As they fill,
the collective interest in the preservation of these distributed Eprint
Archives and their continuous migration with each successive upgrade
will only grow.)
As you know, I've been an admirer of your work for over 30 years.
It is now accessible through google, because you have already
self-archived it on your home website. I hope you will make it
even more visible and accessible by having it copied to an OAI-compliant
archive. (It is even conceivable that by now CalTech, perhaps the most
advanced University in self-archiving, and leading the way for the
others http://www.arl.org/sparc/core/index.asp?page=g20#6 may already
have a service from the digital library staff, to do this sort of
transfer of proxy self-archiving for its researchers
http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/#institution-facilitate-filling )
Best wishes,
Stevan
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Hi. I'm still taking a break from eprints coding, and the
next step will be fixing all the silly mistakes in 2.0 -
don't worry, non are critical.
And I'll improve some of the error messages to give advice
on how to solve the error.
Suggestions welcome!
Also, if you've not already registered as a user or interested
party, please do so at: http://www.eprints.org/users.php
If you have already registered, please go and update the
user survey as I've added more questions. If you've not started
using eprints because it's missing a feature, you can vote
for it there.
If there are features you'd like to see that I've not
thought of, please let me know.
--
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ePrints2 Coder, Support and Stuff +44 23 8059 4833
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Hi all,
I'm a newbie on this list; I'm the metadata harvesting librarian at
University of Michigan Libraries Digital Library Production Service.
We've started a new service called OAIster designed to collect, index
and serve OAI-compliant metadata to a variety of users. You can see more
about our project at http://oaister.umdl.umich.edu/.
Many of you (if not all of you) are probably using eprints software to
self-archive your documents. I'm interested, as a service provider, in
collecting the metadata of your self-archives to place in our
repository. One of the biggest benefits in doing this is making your
documents more widely available to a wider variety of users.
Currently, we have a testbed that represents 25 institutions and
organizations
with over 700,000 records in it. You can view this testbed at our
partner institution's site:
http://oai.grainger.uiuc.edu/AboutRepository.htm. We are sharing tools
used to develop the repositories. UIUC is focusing on developing a
cultural materials repository, and UM is focusing on creating a
wide-ranging repository of free digital resources irrespective of
subject area or format.
If you have metadata that is available for harvesting, I look forward to
hearing from you about procedures for retrieving this metadata.
Thanks!
-Kat
-------------------
Kat Hagedorn
OAIster Librarian
Digital Library Production Service
University of Michigan
[email protected]
734-647-8000 (not a direct line)
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Hi everybody and thanks for your feedback,
the discussion about "Free Access to Peer-Reviewed Scientific Papers" within
Open Directory Project is getting along.
I wish I could have your 'experienced' opinion about what is going on,
because the 'ontological' problems (i.e. the proper taxonomy) for the Free
Access initiative in ODP are not easy to manage.
If you can spend a minute reading this, have a quick look at the
hierarchical organization of http://dmoz.org and perhaps suggest *better
names* for the categories I mention below (I regret that there is still no
definite and common name for the eprints, FSO, Free Science Campaign
initiative to distinguish them from OAI or other less pertinent
initiatives!), I guess the whole thing may earn a better visibility in ODP -
and, consequently, in most search engines using ODP as a *noncommercial*
base for retrieving directory information and editorial descriptions.
The main category about the initiative can be currently found in:
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Open_Source/Open_Content/Open_Archives
I've begun to store the links to actual eprints repositories in:
http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/D/dartar/Nuovi/Eprint_Repositories
We are now discussing about the general status of the category in the editor
forum, in particular:
- distinguishing between a category A) containing *actual eprints archives*
and a category B) containing sites about *free access philosophy*;
- [actual eprints archives]: creating a category named
"Science/Publications/Archives" with a subcategory "Free Access Online
Papers" and moving A) from "Bookmarks/D/dartar/Nuovi/Eprint_Repositories" to
this subcategory. Thanks Chris for your important suggestion on
distinguishing between simple OAI-compliant archives and free access
full-text repositories: I think this solution (Science/Publication/Archives
vs. Science/Publication/Archives/Free_Access_Online Papers - or you have a
better name for this?) will do;
- [philosophy of free access eprints, self-archiving etc...]: in pretty much
the same way, creating a category named
Reference/Archives/Scientific_Archives with a subcategory named something
like Free_Access_to Scientific_Literature and moving B) from
Computers/Open_Source/Open_Content/Open_Archives to this new subcategory
(thus distinguishing the OAI part from the actual Complete-Free-Access
part);
The repository categories and the 'political' categories may then be linked
to each other through virtual links (@links) and we are also considering
adding virtual links to and from categories dealing with copyright and
intellectual property as well as open source philosophy.
I'm sorry if it seems a little messy, but it *really* is ;o)
Thanks for your help
dario
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Dario Taraborelli wrote:
> Hi everybody and thanks for your feedback,
> the discussion about "Free Access to Peer-Reviewed Scientific Papers" within
> Open Directory Project is getting along.
>
> I wish I could have your 'experienced' opinion about what is going on,
> because the 'ontological' problems (i.e. the proper taxonomy) for the Free
> Access initiative in Open Directory Project [ODP] are not easy to manage.
>
> If you can spend a minute reading this, have a quick look at the
> hierarchical organization of http://dmoz.org and perhaps suggest *better
> names* for the categories I mention below (I regret that there is still no
> definite and common name for the eprints, FSO, Free Science Campaign
> initiative to distinguish them from OAI or other less pertinent
> initiatives!), I guess the whole thing may earn a better visibility in ODP -
> and, consequently, in most search engines using ODP as a *noncommercial*
> base for retrieving directory information and editorial descriptions.
It is important to distinguish "Open Archives" (OAI interoperability
protocol for revealing and sharing metadata) from "Open Access Archives"
(OAI plus free full text). The best generic name for all this, to
get us away from the ambiguity and polysemy of "open" would have been
to call a spade a spade: FREE FULL TEXT. The trouble is that "free" has
become a spam-word on the web (perhaps FFT can do the job, relegating
Fast Fourier Transform to secondary tech acronym status...)
> The main category about the initiative can be currently found in:
> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Open_Source/Open_Content/Open_Archives
>
> I've begun to store the links to actual eprints repositories in:
> http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/D/dartar/Nuovi/Eprint_Repositories
This link failed for me
> We are now discussing about the general status of the category in the editor
> forum, in particular:
>
> - distinguishing between a category A) containing *actual eprints archives*
> and a category B) containing sites about *free access philosophy*;
> - [actual eprints archives]:
Sounds reasonable. I would call it "Free Access Theory" rather than
philosophy, perhaps... And distinguish "Free Access Eprint Archives"
from "Free Access Journal Archives" (the former is self-archived by the
author, paper by paper, across journals, the latter is archived by the
publisher, and contains the full contents of a journal or journals).
> creating a category named
> "Science/Publications/Archives" with a subcategory "Free Access Online
> Papers" and moving A) from "Bookmarks/D/dartar/Nuovi/Eprint_Repositories" to
> this subcategory.
Watch out for needless synonym (and hence confusion) proliferation.
"actual eprint archives" = "free access eprint archives" = "free access
online papers"...
> Thanks Chris for your important suggestion on
> distinguishing between simple OAI-compliant archives and free access
> full-text repositories: I think this solution (Science/Publication/Archives
> vs. Science/Publication/Archives/Free_Access_Online Papers - or you have a
> better name for this?) will do;
"Free Access Eprints" seems to minimize the terminology, unless the
directory names are meant to be an expansion of the concepts to avoid
any misinterpretation (i.e., online-papers is more transparently
self-explanatory than "eprints").
> - [philosophy of free access eprints, self-archiving etc...]: in pretty much
> the same way, creating a category named
> Reference/Archives/Scientific_Archives with a subcategory named something
> like Free_Access_to Scientific_Literature and moving B) from
> Computers/Open_Source/Open_Content/Open_Archives to this new subcategory
> (thus distinguishing the OAI part from the actual Complete-Free-Access
> part);
The triage seems correct, though the terminology still seems a bit
profligate.
> The repository categories and the 'political' categories may then be linked
> to each other through virtual links (@links) and we are also considering
> adding virtual links to and from categories dealing with copyright and
> intellectual property as well as open source philosophy.
Good idea. May I also suggest implementing the most basic and relevant
distinction of all, without which endless confusion is predictably
generated? Under copyright and intellectual property etc, distinguish
work that is creator-give-away (author-give-away) from work that
is creator-non-give-away (author-non-give-away). If you do, you will
save everyone from many confusions and conflations.
Stevan Harnad
> I'm sorry if it seems a little messy, but it *really* is ;o)
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> dario
>
> _______________________________
>
> Dario Taraborelli
>
> Institut Jean-Nicod
> 1bis, avenue de Lowendal
> F-75007 Paris
> + 33 (0)1 53 59 32 94
> www.institutnicod.org
>
> [email protected]
> [email protected]
>
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>
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Does anyone know of any free or open access journal
management software that would take care of manuscript
submission, tracking, review, and distribution, etc? All those
listed at the SPARC and Reno sites are commercial or for fee.
Any pointers would be greatly appreciated?
Leslie
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WHat you want to do can be done under Zope (http://www.zope.org). It may
also be possible with eprints and some scripting.
You'll need to talk to the experts on details.
BillN
lesliekwchan wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any free or open access journal
> management software that would take care of manuscript
> submission, tracking, review, and distribution, etc? All those
> listed at the SPARC and Reno sites are commercial or for fee.
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated?
>
> Leslie
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