Re: Dependeny on javax.swing

I have some contacts in the GAE team if that can help someone. As a user, I
would definitely love to have freemarker working on GAE.

Jeremy,


On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Attila Szegedi <[email protected]> wrote:

> Well, it will be a PITA for others too, not just FreeMarker users. I sent
> an e-mail to someone I know within Sun who's one of key Java figures. We are
> clearly not strong enough to get Google to do anything, but Sun is fairly
> strict about defending the Java trademark against abuse. Sun *can* get
> Google to fix this.
>
> Attila.
>
> On 2009.12.27., at 11:13, Daniel Dekany wrote:
>
> > I agree that what GAE provides isn't a JRE, but the important question
> > is if we want FreeMarker to run on GAE (imagine it as a new target if
> > you want), regardless if it can be called "Java" or not. And of course
> > we do since Google is a really big dog, right? Surely the whole issue
> > is a PITA to fix but... do you really belive Google will eventually
> > fix these? /-:
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Daniel Dekany
> >
> >
> > Friday, December 25, 2009, 6:03:50 PM, Attila Szegedi wrote:
> >
> >> Alright, FWIW here’s my opinion… I’m one of primary developers of
> >> FreeMarker, even if it wasn’t me who created the dependency.
> >>
> >> Jonathan (who introduced it) thought of it as the easiest way to
> >> expose template AST to IDE tooling. Also, note that there’s no
> >> standard tree representation API in java.util.* and
> >> javax.swing.tree.* is the closest to it; lots of classes and
> >> interfaces in it are applicable to any tree data representation, not
> >> just ones suitable for a GUI. As Sun mandates the presence of
> >> “javax.swing” package in every SE runtime engine that wishes to use
> >> the name “Java” it didn’t seem to be a problem.
> >>
> >> Anyway, GAE is not a “Java Runtime Environment, Standard Edition”
> >> if it doesn’t have javax.swing.*. I just sent an e-mail to some of
> >> my contacts at Sun to clarify the matters, and maybe contact the
> >> Google to either stop using the “Java” trademark, or alternatively get
> their JRE right.
> >>
> >> Google’s decision to not include this package/classes into its App
> >> Engine makes that runtime environment into not being a JRE.
> >> FreeMarker is developed for running on a JRE.
> >>
> >> GAE has other problems as well. I.e. it interjects its own
> >> reflection replacement classes defined in the
> >>
> “com.google.apphosting.runtime.security.shared.intercept.java.lang.reflect”
> >> package, that unfortunately run with less privileges than the real
> >> “java.lang.reflect” package, so when we use them to, say,
> >> reflectively invoke package-private constructors from within the
> >> same package – something that works nicely in a real JRE – GAE will
> >> throw an exception, since classes in package
> >>
> “com.google.apphosting.runtime.security.shared.intercept.java.lang.reflect”
> >> have no access to our package private constructor – the classes in
> >> “java.lang.reflect” of course don’t have this limitation as they are
> subject to no access control.
> >>
> >> I consider all of these to be JRE compliance bugs in the GAE
> >> implementation of the Java-like runtime.
> >>
> >> As I said, I fired off an e-mail to Sun so that they can
> >> investigate whether Google can use the name "Java" for what they
> >> provide in GAE. FreeMarker is made to run in a compliant Java Runtime
> Environment.
> >>
> >> Attila.
> >>
> >> On 2009.12.25., at 17:02, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >>> See this
> >>>
> >>>
> http://solveme.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/freemarker-sucks-it-has-dependency-on-javax-swing/
> >>>
> >>> Devs, will this be fixed ?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> SN
> >>>
> >>> Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like
> being taught
>
>
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