Re: bonoboui toolbar bits ...

El jue, 31-10-2002 a las 13:09, Michael Meeks escribió:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> 	What with the API freeze looming on the horizon, and the nastiness with
> themes and UI toolbar controls - I was hoping to add several controls to
> help you make your stuff look nice; so really - I suppose, I want to
> know what extra 'widget' types we need, and some idea of how we can
> describe them nicely in XML.
> 
> 	eg. the history (back/forward) button, can be simply implemented (and
> shared with Nautilus) perhaps with something like:
> 
> <menuitem name="GoBack" verb="" id="GotoLocation" type="history"
>  max_items="20">
> 	<placeholder>
> 	<menuitem name="1" id="http://www.foo.com" _label="foo.com"/>
> 	...
> </menuitem>
> 
> 	Or somesuch ? what do you want from such a thing.
> 

Looks good.

> 	Also; I see with the shortcuts, you have:
> 
> 	<label / icon> '<<' [text entry]
> 
> 	clearly that's not going to do too well as a control either; what
> requirements do you have for such things ? not being a galeon user I
> have no feel for what is needed here, but clearly it'd be nice to have
> that as a simpler built-in type that'll theme beautifully and be easier
> to code. Would a special 'control' item with a 'popout' [ is that what
> the  '<<' thing is ? ] button and a label/icon be sufficient for your
> needs ?

I think that is working well enough using controls. And I need to use
controls anyway because I need context menus there.

Smartbookmarks (the shortcuts) are very specific to galeon and I don't
think that adding a special case in bonoboui for them makes sense (maybe
I'm wrong and this would be useful for more apps).

> 	Anything else notably missing ?

Several things that I miss when using libbonoboui are:

        - context menus: I want to be able to add context menus for
        menuitems and toolbar buttons. Using gtk+ this is very easy, but
        using libbonoboui you have to use a control for each toolbar
        item. And it can't be done for menuitems.
        
        - speed: building the bookmarks menu using libbonoboui is a lot
        slower than using gtk+. And I mean a lot[1]. I don't think that
        this can be fixed :-( Maybe I can optimize the code that builds
        the menus in galeon, making it less maintainable...
        
        - being able to know what button the user uses to click a
        menuitem/toolbaritem. In galeon 1, we opened things in new
        windows/tabs depending of the button used. It added consistency
        to the interface and was a very useful feature, IMO. I
        understand that this may not fit very well in the bonoboui
        design and philosophy... maybe being able to add different verbs
        depending of the button?
        
        - In general, creating dynamic menus (like bookmarks,
        history...) using libbonoboui is a pain. Building XML on the fly
        to immediately parse it looks  wrong to me. I would love to be
        able to mix bonoboui menus (for general menus of the
        application) and standard gtk+ menus (for dynamic things). That
        would solve all my problems with libbonoboui (at least all the
        important ones ;-) ).


> 	Thoughts / input (quick :-)
> 

Thank you for your interest!


Ricardo.

[1] Add an alias for you main folder to your toolbar and compare the
speed of gtk+ menus (used for popups from the toolbar) and bonoboui
menus (used for the menu), using a big/medium sized bookmark collection.
And btw, the code for the gtk+ version is quite simpler and cleaner. A
significant part of the time spent building galeon windows is spent
building the bookmark menu (and only the first level is built unless the
user really tries to use it).


-- 
Ricardo Fernández Pascual
[email protected]
Murcia. España.



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