Re: My 2 cents

On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 20:15, Erich Schubert wrote:
> > As mentioned already: It's a really dumb idea to alienate your current
> > user base in an attempt to cater to potential future users who don't
> > actually exist at the moment. It's even worse when obtaining said future
> 
> I disagree here: sometimes it's best not to care about the past, but do
> a completely new design - including the complete user interface.
> It feels to me like gnome2 did this, less inconsistent config files and
> so on, but more unification, while still keeping stuff modular and not
> just merging everything into one huge thing (like KDE feels to me).
> I also agree with them about removing some stuff, like this small puzzle
> game, or the bunch of clocks...
> Some things are just a matter of change: some changes take some time to
> accept... i still regularly click onto the clock to pop up my
> calendar... well: of course i can just add an icon for the calendar next
> to my clock and use that. Maybe it would have been better if clicking on
> the clock never had worked.
> I'm quite happy with most of gnome2 - sawfish is just like the old
> sawfish (i never really tried metacity, it lacks lot of stuff i DO want)
> Not being able to assign Win+R to the "run program" function is another
> thing (i worked around that by using a sawfish keybinding)
> And not being able to add the gnome menu to a panel so it opens
> _unfolded_ (i hate this extra hierarchy "Apps", "Debian", "KDE" at the
> top level... it's unnecessary. my screen is big enough) really sucks.
> It makes me accept that big Menu at the top, because i can't achieve a
> similar result with a panel at the bottom any more...
> 
> > I still use gnome1 and galeon1, meaning that I'm hard pressed to roll
> > stuff in to galeon2, as marco is well aware. Why is this? Lack of
> 
> I do run gnome2 - but galeon1. As does my father, who doesn't know
> anything about the console, who didn't even configure his UI himself: i
> pre-configured the account for him, and he likes using it.
> Well, i told him that galeon2 got the javascript options removed (in the
> preferences dialog it is _as_good_as_removed_!) and he said that it is a
> pity. Yes, my father, too, liked that quick settings stuff.
> 
> > well; The user is stupid and, in anycase, Seth Nickell knows best.
> 
> Yep: that is where i disagree, too: IMHO Gnome2 enforces too much onto
> the user. This is ok when the admin of a large site does so, like
> locking the wallpaper on corporate desktops, so no policital incorrect
> wallpaper can be chosen.
> But they overdid it. They make a desktop _only_ people not caring about
> their system can use.
> That is a big mistake: you might gain a share of desktop users - right
> now an insignificant amount - but you loose a big share of your
> potential developer and contributor base. It's like sawing the branch
> of a tree you are sitting on.

I have this a few times - so could please elaborate on what features
have deterioriated in G2

> ..
> If i look at myself: Galeon1 is my favourite browser. Galeon2 right now
> never will, because i need certain features. So i'll probably switch to
> mozilla then - but i won't spend my time on maintaining a galeon2
> package - because i presumably won't use galeon2. Sure, someone else
> will pick up the galeon2 package...
> I also installed GNOME2 at our university. More and more people are
> switching to WMaker and KDE now. It definitely has lost a lot of share.
> (Partially to it not working properly on some displays, admittedly)
> And that even with users that don't know a shit about unix. They just
> want to surf the web and read their emails (most stick with pine for
> that, which i find pretty amazing...) - they don't even change their KDE
> desktop or their icons.
> 
> > find easier to use; instead I am forced to conform my usage patterns to
> > Seth's ideal. No one is going to convince me that that's an improvement.
> 
> Well, that is what corporate users prefer: if you limit the useage
> patterns of your users it's easier to give them support.
> 
> While i havn't heard the name Seth before, i'm getting more and more
> unhappy with the directions GNOME2 and Galeon2 are taking.
> 
> Gruss,
> Erich Schubert
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