Re: adding accessibility test suite

Hi,

Your new test suite looks very interesting and adding a new check capability
within tidy would be a good idea.
For the moment and very pragmatically, would you mind if the first 
generation
test suite (http://www.aprompt.ca/Tidy/) was added to the tidy source base
(using the w3 license) ?

Regards,

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Ridpath" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; "Terry Teague" 
<[email protected]>
Cc: "Mike Lam (Utoronto.ca)" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Tidy-dev] adding accessibility test suite


> As Terry noted, we were the original developers of the accessibility tests 
> in Tidy.
>
> The ATRC, as part of the Web Access Initiative, has been developing a test 
> suite related to accessibility. You can view the suite at:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/
>
> It's still under development but we will have a version ready later this 
> year when the WCAG version 2 is released.
> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/
>
> The idea behind the test suite is that anyone may implement these tests on 
> whatever system they have. We'd like to add these tests to Tidy but I'm 
> not sure we're going to get any funding to do so. We can provide technical 
> assistance if anyone is interested in taking on the project.
>
> If you have any more questions or comments about the test suite please let 
> me know.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Terry Teague" <[email protected]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 2:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tidy-dev] adding accessibility test suite
>
>
>> At 6:35 PM +0000 3/15/05, Arnaud Desitter wrote:
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Bjoern Hoehrmann" <[email protected]>
>>>To: "Arnaud Desitter" <[email protected]>
>>>Cc: <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:27 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [Tidy-dev] adding accessibility test suite
>>>
>>>
>>>>* Arnaud Desitter wrote:
>>>>>A while back, I brushed up somewhat the accessibility test suite
>>>>>available at http://www.aprompt.ca/Tidy/accessibilitychecks.html.
>>
>>
>> Cool. I would be interested to know what you "brushed up". I used 
>> modified
>> versions of these tests myself to test my builds of Tidy.
>>
>>
>>>>>In my opinion, it is a good idea to add more test cases so that
>>>>>tidy can be tested regularly. And who knows, somebody may even
>>
>>
>> Originally we were adding test cases as we got bug reports, where a
>> reasonable test case could be created. I think this process somewhat 
>> broke
>> down long ago, and stayed that way until recently when you started
>> contributing. I agree with you.
>>
>>
>>>>>make the access tests more useful in the future.
>>>>>Is anybody against adding them to tidy/test ?
>>
>>
>> No objection from me.
>>
>>
>>>> Under what terms are those tests available? I could not find any
>>>> copyright or licence information on the website and the .zip file
>>>> seems to be broken.
>>>
>>>The short answer is that I don't know. I don't remember how I got
>>>the test suite. I must have written a quick script to collect the pages
>>>and then extracted the HTML and, finally, massaged it somewhat.
>>
>>
>> Not sure either, but asking the right people should get an answer. Re the
>> broken zip file - we can get that fixed if it is broken, I know I have
>> various archive versions of the test cases that I got directly from the
>> author (and checking my Emails, apparently between the 2 of us we had
>> problems with zip files we exchanged with each other through EMail).
>>
>>
>>>AFAIK, this test suite has been written by the same guys that wrote
>>>"access.c" so the license should be the same.
>>>It is not clear to me how "access.c" came to be in tidy. Surely, you
>>>must know. I looked in the mail archive but details are sparse.
>>
>>
>> I was the person who worked with the original authors (Mike Lam and Chris
>> Ridpath at the Adaptive Technology Resource Centre at the University of
>> Toronto) to integrate the code into Tidy.
>>
>> The last EMail conversation I had with them was about 6 months ago, and 
>> was
>> related to the following :
>>
>>>You may know that there is a new set of accessibility guidelines under
>>>development, the WCAG version 2. These guidelines have many differences 
>>>over
>>>the old ones and the accessibility checks in Tidy should be updated. The
>>>date for release of the new guidelines is first quarter 2005.
>>
>>
>> I am copying them directly on this EMail (although I believe they also
>> subscribe to the tidy-dev mailing list), for their opinions on the above
>> matters.
>>
>>
>> Regards, Terry



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