Pushing for full HTML5 support
Tidy Project <[email protected]> Fri, 5 Sep 2014 15:57:49 +0200
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--===============7758507459349047892== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b07225cc5a464050251da26 --047d7b07225cc5a464050251da26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cross posted from https://github.com/w3c/tidy-html5/issues/122 Hi skynet, petdance, marcoscaceres, Good to read and 'feel' some interest ;=)). 1: Where should this discussion take place? =========================================== I do not think issues #122 here is the right place! I would whole heartedly suggest tidy-dev/sorceforge is where it should be at to - (a) involve the current maintainer there, arnaud02, charles, and bjoern... and other contributors now years back. (b) get an email when something is posted. I can/will not check back at #122 all the time! Just too inconvenient... Ionel has been kind enough to cc's me otherwise I would not have known about this discussion... Except for me, admittedly not much has been happening on tidy-dev of late, but a discussion like this could possibly revive it. I will try to cross post this reply... and include the replies... 2: who can put in coding time ============================= To repeat, I can, but to also repeat, I can/will not do that in a vacuum ;=)) I have been contributing code fixes since around 2000, some 14/15 years. Maybe longer... But I need others to be testing, commenting, contributing, debating... and hopefully some of those will have a deeper understanding of what the w3C wants... Ionel, you mentioned there are 59 open tickets, and 12 pull requests... Well, I would look at these if - (a) html-tidy5 is updated to where my tidy-fork is at, and those needed are rechecked against the update. (b) pull requests can only be merged by those with write access... so I would need that access... 3: which repo ============= Do not really care, but would certainly these days prefer a .git base repo... (a) sideshowbarker was new to me, and still to explore what is there... what is the aim... seems quite active... at least on the 'validator' part... (b) tidy-html5 - yes, subject to 2:(a) and (b) above. (c) original sourceforge svn. Possibly, but only if git is used which I understand is supported, and then subject to 2: (a) and (b) again. (d) My tidy-fork. Well this is where I will continue for now... Others??? 4: Discussion on some of the conflicts between 4 and 5 ====================================================== As expressed, if the one 'library' is to do BOTH at the same time, then it needs 'rules' when to treat it as 4 or earlier, and when to treat a document as 5 and thus tidy/report/warn appropriately, This is my current stalling point, and seek ideas... Regards, Geoff. 04/09/2014 - skynet - Ionel Roiban said: > Geoff > Thanks so much for the quick response and the insights. > While there are other libraries and tools for checking and > cleaning up HTML, tidy-html5 is definitely the most reputable > and it should be maintained, one way or another, but preferably > under W3C. As of today (Sept 4, 2014) there are 59 open tickets, > 12 pull requests and ... zero commits since Aug 21, 2012. > At this point there are two options: re-engage developers with > commit access, or fork the repo and continue development. What > do you, or others, think? > Thanks. > Ionel 04/09/2014 - petdance - Andy Lester said: > Who would be doing the "continue development"? It seems to me > that the problem isn't the repo or the project but that we don't > have developers with the time/motivation/etc to work on it. If > there are developers who are ready to do development on the project, > then I wonder what they think next steps should be. > You say "re-engage developers with commit access", which sounds > like you're saying that more people would work on the project if > they had commit access. Is that the case? Who are these developers > that are being stymied by lack of commit access? 04/09/2014 - marcoscaceres - Marcos Caceres said: > I would strongly suggest that people who are willing to work > on this fork this repo into a HTML5Tidy organization here on > GitHub - or that @sideshowbarker donate the project to such an > organization. Then, developers who are willing to maintain > the project can better organize, review code, etc. 04/09/2014 - petdance - Andy Lester said: > Do you actually have "developers who are willing to maintain > the project"? I don't think forking the project is going to > make developers appear. > Don't get me wrong: I'd LOVE to have some forward direction > on the project, and I'd contribute, but mostly it needs > strong direction. 04/09/2014 - skynet - Ionel Roiban said: > The only problem with a fork is that it will lose the reputation > that the W3C organization provides to such an important project. > Prior to forking and moving development elsewhere due diligence > should take place here, in order to get W3C to acknowledge the > situation. 04/09/2014 - marcoscaceres - Marcos Caceres said: > @skynet, that's a good point - but I don't think we can depend > on the W3C on its own here. This is really just @sideshowbarker's > pet project and not a W3C thing (i.e., they don't provide funding > or support in any way). Clearly, @sideshowbarker doesn't have time > to do any work on this (as he has stated in other bugs). > I'll wait for him to decide what to do. I've spoken to him in > the past about opening it up, but he hasn't yet found anyone > that he trusts in the community to take the project over. I don't > see what option there is but to open it up to a few people who > have shown, through PRs, capable of reviewing and maintaining the > code. > Maybe we can get a show of interest from people who could commit > time to this? 04/09/2014 - skynet - Ionel Roiban said: > A better documentation Website could also help with making the > project self-sustainable, increase traffic and adoption. > http://w3c.github.io/tidy-html5/ is not enough for that purpose. --047d7b07225cc5a464050251da26 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Cross posted from <a href=3D"https://github.com/w3c/tidy-h= tml5/issues/122">https://github.com/w3c/tidy-html5/issues/122</a><br><br>Hi= skynet, petdance, marcoscaceres,<br><br>Good to read and 'feel' so= me interest ;=3D)).<br><br>1: Where should this discussion take place?<br>= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br><br>I do not thin= k issues #122 here is the right place!<br><br>I would whole heartedly sugge= st tidy-dev/sorceforge <br>is where it should be at to -<br><br>(a) involve= the current maintainer there, arnaud02,<br>charles, and bjoern... and othe= r contributors now<br>years back.<br><br>(b) get an email when something is= posted. <br><br>I can/will not check back at #122 all the time! <br>Just t= oo inconvenient... <br><br>Ionel has been kind enough to cc's me otherw= ise <br>I would not have known about this discussion...<br><br>Except for m= e, admittedly not much has been happening <br>on tidy-dev of late, but a di= scussion like this could <br>possibly revive it.<br><br>I will try to cross= post this reply... and include <br>the replies...<br><br>2: who can put in= coding time<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br><br>To repeat, I can, but to also repeat,= I can/will not <br>do that in a vacuum ;=3D))<br><br>I have been contribut= ing code fixes since around 2000,<br>some 14/15 years. Maybe longer...<br><= br>But I need others to be testing, commenting, contributing,<br>debating..= . and hopefully some of those will have a <br>deeper understanding of what = the w3C wants...<br><br>Ionel, you mentioned there are 59 open tickets, and= 12 <br>pull requests...<br><br>Well, I would look at these if -<br><br>(a)= html-tidy5 is updated to where my tidy-fork is at,<br>and those needed are= rechecked against the update.<br><br>(b) pull requests can only be merged = by those with write<br>access... so I would need that access...<br><br>3: w= hich repo<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br><br>Do not really c= are, but would certainly these days <br>prefer a .git base repo...<br><br>(= a) sideshowbarker was new to me, and still to explore <br>what is there... = what is the aim... seems quite <br>active... at least on the 'validator= ' part...<br><br>(b) tidy-html5 - yes, subject to 2:(a) and (b) above.<= br><br>(c) original sourceforge svn. Possibly, but only if <br>git is used = which I understand is supported, and <br>then subject to 2: (a) and (b) aga= in.<br><br>(d) My tidy-fork. Well this is where I will continue for <br>now= ...<br><br>Others???<br><br>4: Discussion on some of the conflicts between = 4 and 5<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<br><br>As expressed, if the one 'library' = is to do BOTH at <br>the same time, then it needs 'rules' when to t= reat <br>it as 4 or earlier, and when to treat a document as<br>5 and thus = tidy/report/warn appropriately,<br><br>This is my current stalling point, a= nd seek ideas...<br><br>Regards,<br>Geoff.<br><br>04/09/2014 - skynet - Ion= el Roiban said:<br><br>> Geoff<br><br>> Thanks so much for the quick = response and the insights.<br><br>> While there are other libraries and = tools for checking and <br>> cleaning up HTML, tidy-html5 is definitely = the most reputable <br>> and it should be maintained, one way or another= , but preferably <br>> under W3C. As of today (Sept 4, 2014) there are 5= 9 open tickets, <br>> 12 pull requests and ... zero commits since Aug 21= , 2012.<br><br>> At this point there are two options: re-engage develope= rs with <br>> commit access, or fork the repo and continue development. = What <br>> do you, or others, think?<br><br>> Thanks.<br>> Ionel<b= r><br>04/09/2014 - petdance - Andy Lester said:<br><br>> Who would be do= ing the "continue development"? It seems to me <br>> that the = problem isn't the repo or the project but that we don't <br>> ha= ve developers with the time/motivation/etc to work on it. If <br>> there= are developers who are ready to do development on the project, <br>> th= en I wonder what they think next steps should be. <br><br>> You say &quo= t;re-engage developers with commit access", which sounds <br>> like= you're saying that more people would work on the project if <br>> t= hey had commit access. Is that the case? Who are these developers <br>> = that are being stymied by lack of commit access?<br><br>04/09/2014 - marcos= caceres=C2=A0 - Marcos Caceres said:<br><br>> I would strongly suggest t= hat people who are willing to work <br>> on this fork this repo into a H= TML5Tidy organization here on <br>> GitHub - or that @sideshowbarker don= ate the project to such an <br>> organization. Then, developers who are = willing to maintain <br>> the project can better organize, review code, = etc. <br><br>04/09/2014 - petdance - Andy Lester said:<br><br>> Do you a= ctually have "developers who are willing to maintain <br>> the proj= ect"? I don't think forking the project is going to <br>> make = developers appear.<br><br>> Don't get me wrong: I'd LOVE to have= some forward direction <br>> on the project, and I'd contribute, bu= t mostly it needs <br>> strong direction.<br><br>04/09/2014 - skynet - I= onel Roiban said:<br><br>> The only problem with a fork is that it will = lose the reputation <br>> that the W3C organization provides to such an = important project. <br>> Prior to forking and moving development elsewhe= re due diligence <br>> should take place here, in order to get W3C to ac= knowledge the <br>> situation.<br><br>04/09/2014 - marcoscaceres=C2=A0 -= Marcos Caceres said:<br><br>> @skynet, that's a good point - but I = don't think we can depend <br>> on the W3C on its own here. This is = really just @sideshowbarker's <br>> pet project and not a W3C thing = (i.e., they don't provide funding <br>> or support in any way). Clea= rly, @sideshowbarker doesn't have time <br>> to do any work on this = (as he has stated in other bugs).<br><br>> I'll wait for him to deci= de what to do. I've spoken to him in <br>> the past about opening it= up, but he hasn't yet found anyone <br>> that he trusts in the comm= unity to take the project over. I don't <br>> see what option there = is but to open it up to a few people who <br>> have shown, through PRs, = capable of reviewing and maintaining the <br>> code.<br><br>> Maybe w= e can get a show of interest from people who could commit <br>> time to = this?<br><br>04/09/2014 - skynet - Ionel Roiban said:<br><br>> A better = documentation Website could also help with making the <br>> project self= -sustainable, increase traffic and adoption. <br>> <a href=3D"http://w3c= .github.io/tidy-html5/">http://w3c.github.io/tidy-html5/</a> is not enough = for that purpose.<br><br><br></div> --047d7b07225cc5a464050251da26-- --===============7758507459349047892== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Slashdot TV. Video for Nerds. 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