On Reunification of Tidy via HTACG

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Cross-posted to
 [1]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/
 [2]: https://sourceforge.net/p/tidy/mailman/tidy-develop
 [3]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/html-tidy/


Good day,

I'm writing again to encourage the Tidy community to offer public feedback
on the proposal to reunite Tidy under one roof via HTACG.

It's apparent that there's a lot of confusion over what HTACG is or isn't,
and that's what I hope to address in this note.

HTACG is currently maintaining the "W3C" fork of HTML Tidy at github.
Although this branch was forked from the SourceForge project by a member of
the W3C, and hosted at github under the W3C's official repository, it's no
longer a "W3C" fork but now the "HTACG" fork. Our goal is to eliminate that
label, too, and simply be "Tidy."

For readers of this list who have expressed doubts that W3C will or will
not continue to maintain Tidy, you are right. W3C no longer maintains Tidy
of any sort. It is now completely out of their hands and the effort to
maintain its fork rests in the hands of HTACG.

## What is HTACG?

HTACG is a W3C [community group][1]. This means that HTACG -- although
affiliated with the W3C -- is _not_ sponsored by or directed by the W3C.
It's sponsored, directed, and operated by members of HTACG.

## Who are members?

Members constitute anyone at all that want to join. The only qualification
is that you sign up for an account on W3C's servers. While participation in
mailing lists and at github are open for anyone without a W3C account, I
encourage you to join HTACG officially via [its site][1].

## Why HTACG?

As HTACG we -- meaning me, you, the current SourceForge maintainers --
become a single entity responsible for maintaining Tidy. It doesn't matter
if the W3C changes priorities. It doesn't matter if life interferes with a
single maintainer's ability to support the project. People are free to come
and go in HTACG. With a vibrant community it doesn't matter if there's 100%
turnover in a year; the organization will continue to exist and do with
Tidy as the members see fit.

For a community to exist, though, there have to be the seeds of a
community. Tidy's community has withered. The current maintainers have
different priorities, and this has nearly led to the demise of Tidy and the
Tidy community. HTACG will be a shot in the arm for Tidy. Tidy will be like
a phoenix rising from its ashes. Choose your own favorite metaphor in your
own language.

## Takeover

The HTACG proposal is not a declaration of war, and HTACG isn't requesting
that SourceForge supporters and the current maintainers "give" Tidy to
HTACG. Rather HTACG is giving itself to Tidy. Join us, take us over, run
and direct us, but give Tidy the chance to involve the community once again.

If there are differences in philosophy, standards, expectations, then don't
object to this merging; let's work the differences out, and then release a
single Tidy from a single community.



References:
  [1]: http://www.w3.org/community/htacg/

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Jim Derry
Clinton Township, MI, USA
Nanjing, Jiangsu, China PRC

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Cross-posted to<br>=C2=A0[1]: <a href=3D"https://lists.w3.=
org/Archives/Public/public-htacg/">https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/pub=
lic-htacg/</a><br>=C2=A0[2]: <a href=3D"https://sourceforge.net/p/tidy/mail=
man/tidy-develop">https://sourceforge.net/p/tidy/mailman/tidy-develop</a><b=
r>=C2=A0[3]: <a href=3D"https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/html-tidy/">ht=
tps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/html-tidy/</a><br><br><br>Good day,<div>=
<br></div><div>I&#39;m writing again to encourage the Tidy community to off=
er public feedback on the proposal to reunite Tidy under one roof via HTACG=
.</div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s apparent that there&#39;s a lot of conf=
usion over what HTACG is or isn&#39;t, and that&#39;s what I hope to addres=
s in this note.</div><div><br></div><div>HTACG is currently maintaining the=
 &quot;W3C&quot; fork of HTML Tidy at github. Although this branch was fork=
ed from the SourceForge project by a member of the W3C, and hosted at githu=
b under the W3C&#39;s official repository, it&#39;s no longer a &quot;W3C&q=
uot; fork but now the &quot;HTACG&quot; fork. Our goal is to eliminate that=
 label, too, and simply be &quot;Tidy.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>For r=
eaders of this list who have expressed doubts that W3C will or will not con=
tinue to maintain Tidy, you are right. W3C no longer maintains Tidy of any =
sort. It is now completely out of their hands and the effort to maintain it=
s fork rests in the hands of HTACG.</div><div><br></div><div>## What is HTA=
CG?</div><div><br></div><div>HTACG is a W3C [community group][1]. This mean=
s that HTACG -- although affiliated with the W3C -- is _not_ sponsored by o=
r directed by the W3C. It&#39;s sponsored, directed, and operated by member=
s of HTACG.</div><div><br></div><div>## Who are members?</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Members constitute anyone at all that want to join. The only qualifi=
cation is that you sign up for an account on W3C&#39;s servers. While parti=
cipation in mailing lists and at github are open for anyone without a W3C a=
ccount, I encourage you to join HTACG officially via [its site][1].</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>## Why HTACG?</div><div><br></div><div>As HTACG we -- mea=
ning me, you, the current SourceForge maintainers -- become a single entity=
 responsible for maintaining Tidy. It doesn&#39;t matter if the W3C changes=
 priorities. It doesn&#39;t matter if life interferes with a single maintai=
ner&#39;s ability to support the project. People are free to come and go in=
 HTACG. With a vibrant community it doesn&#39;t matter if there&#39;s 100% =
turnover in a year; the organization will continue to exist and do with Tid=
y as the members see fit.</div><div><br></div><div>For a community to exist=
, though, there have to be the seeds of a community. Tidy&#39;s community h=
as withered. The current maintainers have different priorities, and this ha=
s nearly led to the demise of Tidy and the Tidy community. HTACG will be a =
shot in the arm for Tidy. Tidy will be like a phoenix rising from its ashes=
. Choose your own favorite metaphor in your own language.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>## Takeover</div><div><br></div><div>The HTACG proposal is not a de=
claration of war, and HTACG isn&#39;t requesting that SourceForge supporter=
s and the current maintainers &quot;give&quot; Tidy to HTACG. Rather HTACG =
is giving itself to Tidy. Join us, take us over, run and direct us, but giv=
e Tidy the chance to involve the community once again.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>If there are differences in philosophy, standards, expectations, then =
don&#39;t object to this merging; let&#39;s work the differences out, and t=
hen release a single Tidy from a single community.</div><div><br></div><div=
><br></div><div><br>References:</div><div>=C2=A0 [1]:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http:=
//www.w3.org/community/htacg/">http://www.w3.org/community/htacg/</a><br><b=
r>--<br>---<br>Jim Derry<br>Clinton Township, MI, USA<br>Nanjing, Jiangsu, =
China PRC
</div></div>

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