Re: PHP binding problems (Was: [midgard-dev] Midgard and Ruby/Scriptor)

"Jukka Zitting" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > 1. Object's constructor ( we talked about yesterday )
> >
> > Whatever OO rules you would like to use and whatever OO terminology should
> > describe your needs, we hit the wall ( IMO ) with such "little" detailed issue like
> > value returned from constructor.
> 
> This is more a question of implementation details than a problem in
> the API itself. You can implement OO semantics even with just plain
> old functions and arrays if you need to, so I really don't think that
> this is an inherent PHP problem.

I will correct my mail :)
My point was that we do not have API problem but implementation details' one ;)
 
> The main problem here seems to be that both me and Torben are inclined
> to speak in terms of higher level OO concepts, while you are facing
> trouble translating those concepts to PHP details.

Oh man :). I try to repeat in every mail that I have huge problems with details :)
 
> > 2. midgard_reflection_property
> >
> > I changed a bit this part of API which now is "optimized" for midgard-php , but
> > breaks some GObject binding conventions.
> 
> This is really problematic.

Yep, I will change this when midgard_property_class will be implemented.
 
> The Zend resource handler is quite solid in my opinion. 

In my and in valgrind's opinion it triggers nothing but memory leaks.
But I may be wrong here. 
 
> The resource memory should always get freed when the request ends. If
> not, then this is a bug that we can fix. If we need to have the
> resources freed earlier we can implement a QB destructor or an
> explicit $qb->close() method. I don't see a problem here.

It means that we should also provide PHP related objects' references counts.
 
> > Another issue related to " getting the "new Midgard API" finished and working"
> > is the fact that there's almost 0 threads on dev list about midgard-php binding.
> > Midgard-php binding is difficult if you think about 'what I want from OO language'
> > and 'how binding may be done'.
> 
> IMO the difficulty is more caused by the idiosynchronicity of the Zend
> API than any problem with the OO concepts in midgard-core. I can be of
> some assistance with the PHP stuff but I'm not sure how much time I
> can dedicate for this.

As I said I need feedback from midgard-php developers.

Piotras