Re: начинает доставать

17.08.04 at 13:47 (Russian Daylight Time)  Lп╣nп╟ Kokoulina wrote:

>>> V>> п≤ я┤я┌п╬? п▓ Opera ASA п╫п╟я┤п╫я┐я┌ п©п╩п╟п╨п╟я┌я▄ п╦п╥-п╥п╟ я┌п╬пЁп╬, я┤я┌п╬ я┐я┬п╣п╩
>>> V>> я▌п╥п╣я─, п╨п╬я┌п╬я─я▀п╧ п╫п╣ п©я─п╦п╫п╣я│ п╡ п╠я▌п╢п╤п╣я┌ п╫п╦ я├п╣п╫я┌п╟ (п╫п╦ п╨я─п╬п╫я▀)?
>>> п■я▀п╨ п©п╬я▌п╥п╟п╡я┬п╦п╧ п╫п╟я┘п╟п╩я▐п╡я┐ п╦ я│п╡п╟п╩п╦п╡я┬п╦п╧ п╨ п╨п╬п╫п╨я┐я─п╣п╫я┌п╟п╪ п╡я│я▐п╨п╬ п╢п╬я│п╟п╢п╫п╣п╣, я┤п╣п╪
>>> п╥п╟п©п╩п╟я┌п╦п╡я┬п╦п╧ я│п©п╬п╩п╫п╟, я┌п╟п╨п╬п╧ п©я┐я│я┌я▄ п╦п╢п╣я┌ п╨я┐п╢п╟ я┘п╬я┤п╣я┌ я│п╬ я│п╡п╬п╦п╪п╦ я┘п╬я┌п╣п╩п╨п╟п╪п╦.
>>>
> M>         п▓п╣я│я▄ п╪п╦я─ п╡я│я▒ я─п╟п╡п╫п╬ п╫п╣ п╬я┘п╡п╟я┌п╦я┬я▄, п╦ п╫п╣п╡п╬п╥п╪п╬п╤п╫п╬ п╠я▀я┌я▄ я┘п╬я─п╬я┬п╦п╪ п╢п╩я▐  
> п╡я│п╣я┘. п÷п╬я█я┌п╬п╪я┐ я│я┐я┴п╣я│я┌п╡я┐п╣я┌ я┌п╟п╨п╬п╣ п©п╬п╫я▐я┌п╦п╣ п╨п╟п╨ я├п╣п╩п╣п╡п╟я▐ пЁя─я┐п©п©п╟.
>
> п░пЁп╟! п■п╟ я▐ п╤ п╢п╟п╡п╫п╬ п╣п╣ п╫п╟п╥п╡п╟п╩п╟ - "п╢п╬п╪п╬я┘п╬п╥я▐п╧п╨п╟" :)))

п░ п╥п╟я┤п╣п╪ я│я┌п╟п╡п╦я┌я▄ п╪п╬я┴п╫я▀п╣ п©я─п╬пЁя─п╟п╪п╪я▀, п╣я│п╩п╦ п╡ п╫п╦я┘ п╦я│п©п╬п╩я▄п╥я┐п╣я┬я▄ п╪п╣п╫я▄я┬п╣ я└я┐п╫п╨я├п╦п╧,  
я┤п╣п╪ п╡ п·п©п╣я─п╣. п▓п╬я┌, п╫п╟п©я─п╦п╪п╣я─, п╡ п╨п╬п╫я└п╣я─п╣п╫я├п╦п╦ п©п╬ п▒п╟я┌я┐ п╫п╣я│п╨п╬п╩я▄п╨п╬ я┤п╣п╩п╬п╡п╣п╨  
п╡я│я┌п╟п╡п╩я▐я▌я┌ п©я─п╦п©п╦я│п╨п╦, я┤я┌п╬ п╦я┘ я│п╬п╬п╠я┴п╣п╫п╦п╣ п©я─п╬п╡п╣я─п╣п╫п╬ п╟п╫я┌п╦п╡п╦я─я┐я│п╬п╪ (п╦ я█я┌п╬ п©я─п╦  
plain text!). п÷п╬я┌п╬п╪ п╬п╨п╟п╥я▀п╡п╟п╣я┌я│я▐, я┤я┌п╬ п╬п╫ я█я┌п╦ п╟п╫я┌п╦п╡п╦я─я┐я│я▀ п©я─п╬п╢п╟п╣я┌. п╒.п╣.  
я┤п╣п╩п╬п╡п╣п╨ п²п∙ п║п°п·п⌠ п²п·п═п°п░п⌡п╛п²п· п²п░п║п╒п═п·п≤п╒п╛ п╗п░п▒п⌡п·п²п╚. п░ я│п╨п╬п╩я▄п╨п╬ п╩я▌п╢п╣п╧ п╦я│п©п╬п╩я▄п╥я┐я▌я┌  
mIRC я┌п╬п╩я▄п╨п╬ п╢п╩я▐ п╬я┌п©я─п╟п╡п╨п╦ п╦ п©я─п╦п╣п╪ я│п╬п╬п╠я┴п╣п╫п╦п╧ п╦ п╠п╬п╩я▄я┬п╣ п╫п╦ п╢п╩я▐ я┤п╣пЁп╬!

п∙я│п╩п╦ п°2 я│п╢п╣п╩п╟я┌я▄ "п╨п╟п╨ п▒п╟я┌", я┤п╟я┌-п╨п╩п╦п╣п╫я┌ п╨п╟п╨ mIRC, rss-я─п╦п╢п╣я─ п╨п╟п╨ Abilon,  
news-я─п╦п╢п╣я─ п╨п╟п╨ News Rover... п п╬п╪я┐ я█я┌п╬я┌ п╫п╣п©п╬п╡п╬я─п╬я┌п╩п╦п╡я▀п╧ п╪п╬п╫я│я┌я─ п╫я┐п╤п╣п╫ п╠я┐п╢п╣я┌?  
п²п╟я┤п╫я┐я┌я│я▐ п╤п╟п╩п╬п╠я▀ п╫п╟ "я┌п╬я─п╪п╬п╥п╟". п═п╟п╥я─п╟п╠п╬я┌я┤п╦п╨п╦ я│п╬п╥п╢п╟п╩п╦ п╠я▀я│я┌я─я┐я▌ п╦ п╬я┤п╣п╫я▄ я┐п╢п╬п╠п╫я┐я▌  
п©я─п╬пЁя─п╟п╪п╪я┐, п╦п╪я┘п╬.

>> V>> п≤ я┤я┌п╬? п▓ Opera ASA п╫п╟я┤п╫я┐я┌ п©п╩п╟п╨п╟я┌я▄ п╦п╥-п╥п╟ я┌п╬пЁп╬, я┤я┌п╬ я┐я┬п╣п╩
>> V>> я▌п╥п╣я─, п╨п╬я┌п╬я─я▀п╧ п╫п╣ п©я─п╦п╫п╣я│ п╡ п╠я▌п╢п╤п╣я┌ п╫п╦ я├п╣п╫я┌п╟ (п╫п╦ п╨я─п╬п╫я▀)?
>> п■я▀п╨ п©п╬я▌п╥п╟п╡я┬п╦п╧ п╫п╟я┘п╟п╩я▐п╡я┐ п╦ я│п╡п╟п╩п╦п╡я┬п╦п╧ п╨ п╨п╬п╫п╨я┐я─п╣п╫я┌п╟п╪ п╡я│я▐п╨п╬ п╢п╬я│п╟п╢п╫п╣п╣, я┤п╣п╪
>> п╥п╟п©п╩п╟я┌п╦п╡я┬п╦п╧ я│п©п╬п╩п╫п╟, я┌п╟п╨п╬п╧ п©я┐я│я┌я▄ п╦п╢п╣я┌ п╨я┐п╢п╟ я┘п╬я┤п╣я┌ я│п╬ я│п╡п╬п╦п╪п╦ я┘п╬я┌п╣п╩п╨п╟п╪п╦.

п░ п╡п╬я┌ я█я┌п╬ п╡ п╨п╬я─п╫п╣ п╫п╣ п╡п╣я─п╫п╬. п²п╣ п╥п╟п©п╩п╟я┌п╦п╩, п╫я┐ п╦ п╩п╟п╢п╫п╬ - п╦я┴п╦ п╡п╣я┌я─п╟ п╡ п©п╬п╩п╣. п░  
п╨п╬пЁп╢п╟ п╥п╟п©п╩п╟я┌п╦п╩ п╨п╩п╦п╣п╫я┌, п╣пЁп╬ я│я┌п╟я─п╟я▌я┌я│я▐ я┐п╢п╣я─п╤п╟я┌я▄. п║п╩п╣п╢я┐я▐ я┌п╡п╬п╣п╧ п╩п╬пЁп╦п╨п╣, п╪п╬п╤п╫п╬  
я│п╪п╣п╩п╬ я─п╟п╥п╬пЁп╫п╟я┌я▄ п╡я│п╣ support-service. п░ п╥п╟я┤п╣п╪ п╬п╫п╦ п╫я┐п╤п╫я▀? п╝п╥п╣я─ п╡п╣п╢я▄ п╦ я┌п╟п╨  
п╥п╟п©п╩п╟я┌п╦п╩...

>> п·п©п╣я─п╟ п╢п╬п╩пЁп╬п╣ п╡я─п╣п╪я▐ я─п╟п╥п╡п╦п╡п╟п╩п╟я│я▄ п╨п╟п╨ п╨п╩п╟я│я│п╫я▀п╧ п╠я─п╟я┐п╥п╣я─, п╡ я│п╬п╬я┌п╡п╣я┌я│я┌п╡п╦п╦
>> п╥п╟п©я─п╬я│п╟п╪п╦ я│п╡п╬п╦я┘ я─п╣п╟п╩я▄п╫я▀я┘ п©п╬п╩я▄п╥п╬п╡п╟я┌п╣п╩п╣п╧ (п╨п╟п╨ я┌п╬я┌ п╤п╣ я┌п╬я┌п╟п╩п╨п╬п╪п╪п╟п╫п╢п╣я─).
>> п²п╬ я│ п╡п╣я─я│п╦п╦ 7 п©я─п╣п╡я─п╟я┌п╦п╩п╟я│я▄ п╡ п╫п╣я┤я┌п╬ п©я─п╬п╢п╟п╤п╫п╬п╣ - п╫п╣ п╢п╩я▐ я┌п╬пЁп╬, я┤я┌п╬п╠я▀
>> я─п╟п╠п╬я┌п╟я┌я▄, п╟ я┤я┌п╬п╠я▀ п╥п╟п╪п╟п╫п╦п╡п╟я┌я▄ п╫я▄я▌п╠п╬п╡.

Opera п╦ я│п╣п╧я┤п╟я│ п╨п╩п╟я│я│п╫я▀п╧ п╠я─п╟я┐п╥п╣я─. п▓я│п╣ п╣пЁп╬ "п©п╬п╩я▄п╥п╬п╡п╟я┌п╣п╩п╦", п╨п╬я┌п╬я─я▀п╣ п╣пЁп╬  
я─я┐пЁп╟я▌я┌, я┌п╟п╨ п╦ п╫п╣ я┐п╢п╬я│я┐п╤п╦п╡п╟я▌я┌я│я▐ я│п╨п╟п╥п╟я┌я▄, я┤я┌п╬ п╦п╪ п╫я┐п╤п╫п╬, п╨п╟п╨п╬п╧ я└я┐п╫п╨я├п╦п╦ п╦п╪ п╫п╣  
я┘п╡п╟я┌п╟п╣я┌. п∙я│п╩п╦ п©п╬я┤п╦я┌п╟я┌я▄ opera.wishlist, я┌п╬ п╩п╣пЁп╨п╬ п╥п╟п╪п╣я┌п╦я┌я▄, я┤я┌п╬ п╡ п╬я│п╫п╬п╡п╫п╬п╪  
п©п╬п╤п╣п╩п╟п╫п╦я▐ п╦п╢я┐я┌ п╡ п╟п╢я─п╣я│ п°2 п╦ rss. п·п╢п╫п╬ п╦п╥ п©п╬я│п╩п╣п╢п╫п╦я┘ "п╤п╣п╩п╟п╫п╦п╧" п╨ п╠я─п╟я┐п╥п╣я─я┐ -  
я│п╢п╣п╩п╟я┌я▄ п╦п╫п╢п╦п╨п╟я┌п╬я─, я│п╬п╬п╠я┴п╟я▌я┴п╦п╧, п╨п╬пЁп╢п╟, п╫п╟ п╨п╟п╨п╬п╪ я│п╟п╧я┌п╣ п╠я▀п╩п╬ п╥п╟п╠п╩п╬п╨п╦я─п╬п╡п╟п╫п╬  
pop-up.

> я┤п╟я┌-п╨п╩п╦п╣п╫я┌ п╡ п©я─п╦п╫я├п╦п©п╣
>> я┐я┴п╣я─п╠п╫я▀п╧
> п╖п╣п╪ я┤п╟я┌-п╨п╩п╦п╣п╫я┌ я┐я┴п╣я─п╠п╫я▀п╧? п╒п╣п╪, я┤я┌п╬ п╫п╟ п╩п╣я┌я┐ п╪п╬п╤п╣я┌ п╪п╣п╫я▐я┌я▄ п╨п╬п╢п╦я─п╬п╡п╨я┐? п╒п╣п╪,  
> я┤я┌п╬ п╫п╣ п╥п╟п╡п╦я│п╦я┌ п╬я┌ я│п╡я▐п╥п╨п╦
> п©п╬я─я┌-п╨п╬п╢п╦я─п╬п╡п╨п╟? п╒п╣п╪, я┤я┌п╬ я┐п╪п╣п╣я┌ я─п╟п╠п╬я┌п╟я┌я▄ я│ UTF-8, п╦ п╡я│п╣ п╪п╦я─п╨п╦ п╦п╢я┐я┌ п╩п╣я│п╬п╪?  
> п≤п╩п╦ я┌п╣п╪, я┤я┌п╬ п╦п╪п╣п╣я┌ п╢п╩я▐ я┤п╟я┌п╟
> п╬п╠я┴п╦п╣ п╨п╬п╫я┌п╟п╨я┌я▀ я│ п©п╬я┤я┌п╬п╧ я│п╬ п╡я│п╣п╪п╦ п╡я▀я┌п╣п╨п╟я▌я┴п╦п╪п╦ п╬я┌я│я▌п╢п╟ п╡п╨я┐я│п╫п╬я│я┌я▐п╪п╦?
> п▓п╟п╪ п╫я┐п╤п╫я▀ п╠п╬я┌я▀ п╦ я│п╨я─п╦п©я┌я▀ п╢п╩я▐ я┐п╥п╨п╦я┘ я├п╣п╩п╣п╧? п╝п╥п╟п╧я┌п╣ п╪п╦я─п╨я┐! п²п╣ п╫я┐п╤п╫п╬  
> п©я─п╣п╡я─п╟я┴п╟я┌я▄ я┐п╢п╬п╠п╫я▀п╧ я┤п╟я┌-п╨п╩п╦п╣п╫я┌
> п╡ п╪п╬п╫я│я┌я─п╬я┐п╥п╫я▀п╧.

п╒п╟п╨ п╪п╬п╤п╣я┌, я│п╨п╟п╤п╣я┌п╣, п╡ я┤п╣п╪ п╢п╩я▐ п╡п╟я│ я┐я┴п╣я─п╠я│я┌п╡п╬ я┤п╟я┌-п╨п╩п╦п╣п╫я┌п╟? п░ я┌п╬ я│п╪п╟я┘п╦п╡п╟п╣я┌ п╫п╟  
п╠п╟п╫п╟п╩я▄п╫я▀п╧ пЁп╬п╫.

> п╞я│п╫п╬, я┤я┌п╬ п╢п╬пЁп╫п╟я┌я▄ The Bat! п╡ п╬п╨п╬п╩п╬п©п╬я┤я┌п╬п╡я▀я┘ я└п╦я┤п╟я┘ п╦п╩п╦ п°п╦я─п╟п╫п╢я┐ п╡ я┤п╟я┌п╬п╡я▀я┘
> п·п©п╣я─п╟ п╫п╣ я│п╪п╬п╤п╣я┌.

п╞ п╢я┐п╪п╟я▌, п╫п╦п╨я┌п╬ п╥п╟ п▒п╟я┌п╬п╪ пЁп╬п╫я▐я┌я▄я│я▐ п╫п╣ я│я┌п╟п╫п╣я┌. Opera п©п╬я┬п╩п╟ я│п╡п╬п╦п╪ п©я┐я┌п╣п╪.

> п╕п╣п╩п╦ Opera
>> ASA п©я─п╦п╫я├п╦п©п╦п╟п╩я▄п╫п╬ я─п╟я│я┘п╬п╢я▐я┌я│я▐ я│ п©п╬я┌я─п╣п╠п╫п╬я│я┌я▐п╪п╦ п©п╬п╩я▄п╥п╬п╡п╟я┌п╣п╩п╣п╧. п²п╟п╪
>> п╫я┐п╤п╫п╬, я┤я┌п╬п╠я▀ п╠я─п╟я┐п╥п╣я─ я─п╟п╠п╬я┌п╟п╩, п╟ п╦п╪ - я┤я┌п╬п╠я▀ п╫я▄я▌п╠я▀ п╢п╣п╫я▄пЁп╦ п©п╩п╟я┌п╦п╩п╦.

п╒п╬я┤п╫п╬ я┌п╟п╨п╤п╣ п╪п╬п╤п╫п╬ я│п╨п╟п╥п╟я┌я▄ п©я─п╬ п╩я▌п╠п╬пЁп╬ п©я─п╬п╦п╥п╡п╬п╢п╦я┌п╣п╩я▐ п÷п·. п║п╬пЁп╩п╟я│п╣п╫ я│  
п°п╟п╫пЁя┐я│я┌п╬п╪ п╡ я┌п╬п╪, я┤я┌п╬:

> п░ я┤я┌п╬, п╠я─п╟я┐п╥п╣я─ п╫п╣ я─п╟п╠п╬я┌п╟п╣я┌? п≤п╩п╦ п©п╬я│п╩п╣ п©п╬я▐п╡п╩п╣п╫п╦я▐ я┤п╟я┌п╟/rss я│я┌п╟п╩ я─п╟п╠п╬я┌п╟я┌я▄  
> п╨п╟п╨-я┌п╬ п╫п╣ я┌п╟п╨? п╒п╚ я│п╟п╪п╟-
> я┌п╬ п©п╬п╫п╦п╪п╟п╣я┬я▄ я┤п╣пЁп╬ я┌п╣п╠п╣ я┘п╬я┤п╣я┌я│я▐?

п▓я│п╣, п╨я┌п╬ п╩п╣п╥п╣я┌ я│п╬ я│п╡п╬п╣п╧ п╨я─п╦я┌п╦п╨п╬п╧ "п·п©п╣я─я▀ п╨п╟п╨ п╠я─п╟я┐п╥п╣я─п╟" п╫п╣ я┐п╨п╟п╥я▀п╡п╟я▌я┌, я┤я┌п╬ п╦п╪  
п╣я┴п╣ п╫п╟п╢п╬. п≈п╟я┤п╟я│я┌я┐я▌ п╬п╫п╦ п╡п╬п╬п╠я┴п╣ п╫п╣ п©п╬п╫п╦п╪п╟я▌я┌, я┤п╣пЁп╬ я┘п╬я┌я▐я┌.


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п║ п╫п╟п╦п╩я┐я┤я┬п╦п╪п╦ п©п╬п╤п╣п╩п╟п╫п╦я▐п╪п╦, п▓п╩п╟п╢п╦п╪п╦я─.
Opera 7.54, Windows XP SP 1, Sun Java Runtime Environment version 1.4


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