Re: AV programs & Opera

    I'm not sure what you're doing, but I was able to install Opera in 
Ubuntu Linux without ever touching a terminal window. I'm a newbie to 
Linux (and usually use Win XP), so I wouldn't really know what to do in 
a terminal window except type "Exit". A couple of mouse clicks is all it 
took. And, the longest period of waiting was for the Opera program to 
download over my slow ADSL connection.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ledgem" <[email protected]>
To: "Using Opera" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [OU] AV programs & Opera


> On Sun, 03 May 2009 02:50:53 -0400, Rodger A Headifen 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A University person was known to say on his door, "In a world without
>> fences who needs gates!"
>>
>> I believe this person is using Linux, very interesting software.
>>
>> I'm testing version 9.04 Ubuntu (updated from 7.04) on an old PIII 
>> 550mg
>> Dual boot with Wins 2000Pro, its good fun, without the problems of 
>> Micro.
>>
>
> I guess this is slightly off-topic for the Opera mailing list, but I 
> still find Linux frustrating. I have a fair bit of operating system 
> experience (enough to know that each one has their own way of doing 
> things, and that until you learn those nuances you may have some 
> trouble) but for all my years of Windows and Mac OS (including pre-X) 
> experience, Linux really eludes me. About every other year I give 
> Ubuntu a go, and while it's gotten a lot better it still has a very 
> long way to go. My first usability test is to try and install Opera. 
> It'll usually take me anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour, depending 
> on how many terminal commands I need to reference. Installing anything 
> through the package management systems is a breeze, but if you try to 
> install anything else you'll need to do it in a less conventional 
> way...
>
> Or maybe I just haven't learned the nuances of the OS yet. Regardless, 
> it's not particularly clear to me. In addition, many of the system 
> preferences are scattered about, and many of the "more advanced" 
> settings will still require the use of the terminal and/or editing 
> configuration files. I like to think of myself as a techie and very 
> computer savvy, but these days I just don't care to spend the time to 
> learn all of those things and spend hours troubleshooting issues that 
> arise. Especially because now Mac OS X and Windows are near flawless 
> in terms of just letting you do what you want to do and not getting in 
> the way (compared to how things used to be, at least). I had 
> absolutely no apprehensions about recommending my mother (low computer 
> aptitude) and fiancee (average aptitude) to switch over to Apple 
> systems, but I have to admit that I'd be losing sleep at night if they 
> were on Linux because I'd be worrying that I'd receive a call and have 
> to spend hours to fix something.
>
>
> That aside, no single antivirus software will catch everything and 
> cover you 100%. I use Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition on my Windows 
> systems (I wouldn't touch their consumer-grade product). It's 
> relatively resource-light (especially compared to the consumer 
> version) and just does what it's supposed to do. I use antivirus 
> software as my "canary in the mine" more than anything else - when 
> you're infected, many of the modern viruses will heavily alter your 
> antivirus software. If the antivirus software starts acting strangely, 
> you may not know what you're infected with, but you're very likely 
> infected. Today's viruses are also so sophisticated that even if the 
> software detects an infection, unless it's in a file that I haven't 
> yet opened, then I'll opt to reinstall the OS rather than attempt a 
> cleaning process. Antivirus software isn't very good at removing 
> infections, and there's too much at stake to risk running a 
> compromised computer. So use what you like, making sure th!
> at it isn't too far behind on its successful detection rate relative 
> to the others, and go for something that isn't too invasive or 
> resource-heavy.
>
> These days I use Mac OS X as my primary operating system, so I don't 
> muck around with constantly-running antivirus software. It's nice, but 
> I wish that there were more security solutions available for Mac OS X 
> (particularly a firewall). As of now there's no real security threat, 
> but there's no guarantee that it'll remain that way in the future. 
> When that day comes, I'd rather be ready and guarded.
>
> Cheers,
> David
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