Re: Ang: Announcement: Opera-Users mailing list - Replaced or mourned?

Harry Lake <[email protected]> Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:49:43 +0200
Newsgroups gmane.comp.web.opera.general
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At 05:10 04/07/2010 CEST, James King wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:45:56 -0400, John Silby <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Hi, Harry
>>
>>Sorry to take so long to reply; there seems to be a long lag between the
>>time someone posts and the time I receive it.
>>
>>The Mailman software which my hosting accounts use (the same as that
>>which runs this list) can be set to allow attachments, so the answer is
>>"yes".
>>
>>I suggested another mailing list because I don't much like Yahoo!
>>Groups, and my one experience of Google Groups was not good (although
>>that was several years ago, so it might have changed). I have domains
>>and hosting accounts I'm not using, so hence the offer.
>>
>>However, another member seems to have pre-empted us and set up a Yahoo!
>>group. I'm still happy to set up a mailing list (but I'd prefer if
>>someone else would administer it) if members of the list would like to
>>go that way.
>
>
>It seemed like everyone wanted something to happen. But no one wanted to
>step up.


Just to put the record straight (unless somehow I'm misremembering), 
it wasn't a matter of no one stepping up: at least two people did: I 
offered to set up a Yahoo group, then John Silby offered to host a 
list (thereby pleasing those who don't like Yahoo Groups). Then you 
discovered there already was a Yahoo Opera group, and then you set up 
a new one. I have no problem with that except that I was unaware a 
consensus had been reached.

>I have a little experience with running a group on yahoo. My
>other group is very quiet. In fact it's mostly automated messages. And
>this group of people fromn the Opera site seem very well mannered (if that
>were not so I would not ahve started the new yahoo group.
>
>As a moderator I'm a pussy cat. It's not really _MY_ group. I just started
>it. I do retain control to a small extent. If someone makes big waves and
>other object, then steps can be taken to iron out whatever the problem is.
>I'm not a controlling person. I drive truck and wont be around all that
>much.

We need someone to be around often enough to get rid of fakes. I 
trust you are planning to moderate new members' first and possibly 
second messages? (By new members I mean people who weren't previously 
members of this list.)


>I don't know what issues you may have and with Yahoo in the past but it's
>not a bad experience now. Give it a shot, if you like. What ever you found
>to your liking before will still be here now. Who knows, it may even die a
>slow death.
>
>Anyway, I think the NEW list will be better with you, than without you.
>
>BTW how will a 'list' differ from a 'group'? Functionally they will be the
>same. Just not the same software.

In my experience of about ten or fifteen lists over ten or fifteen 
years, the two terms have been interchangeable. With the same Yahoo software!

So does this mean we are all agreed that we migrate to James's new list?

Harry


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<font size=3>At 05:10 04/07/2010 CEST, James King wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:45:56
-0400, John Silby &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi, Harry<br><br>
Sorry to take so long to reply; there seems to be a long lag between
the&nbsp; <br>
time someone posts and the time I receive it.<br><br>
The Mailman software which my hosting accounts use (the same as
that&nbsp; <br>
which runs this list) can be set to allow attachments, so the answer
is&nbsp; <br>
&quot;yes&quot;.<br><br>
I suggested another mailing list because I don't much like Yahoo!&nbsp;
<br>
Groups, and my one experience of Google Groups was not good
(although&nbsp; <br>
that was several years ago, so it might have changed). I have
domains&nbsp; <br>
and hosting accounts I'm not using, so hence the offer.<br><br>
However, another member seems to have pre-empted us and set up a
Yahoo!&nbsp; <br>
group. I'm still happy to set up a mailing list (but I'd prefer if&nbsp;
<br>
someone else would administer it) if members of the list would like
to&nbsp; <br>
go that way.</blockquote><br><br>
It seemed like everyone wanted something to happen. But no one wanted
to&nbsp; <br>
step up. </font></blockquote><br><br>
Just to put the record straight (unless somehow I'm misremembering), it
wasn't a matter of no one stepping up: at least two people did: I offered
to set up a Yahoo group, then John Silby offered to host a list (thereby
pleasing those who don't like Yahoo Groups). Then you discovered there
already was a Yahoo Opera group, and then you set up a new one. I have no
problem with that except that I was unaware a consensus had been
reached.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3>I have a little
experience with running a group on yahoo. My&nbsp; <br>
other group is very quiet. In fact it's mostly automated messages.
And&nbsp; <br>
this group of people fromn the Opera site seem very well mannered (if
that&nbsp; <br>
were not so I would not ahve started the new yahoo group.<br><br>
As a moderator I'm a pussy cat. It's not really _MY_ group. I just
started&nbsp; <br>
it. I do retain control to a small extent. If someone makes big waves
and&nbsp; <br>
other object, then steps can be taken to iron out whatever the problem
is.&nbsp; <br>
I'm not a controlling person. I drive truck and wont be around all
that&nbsp; <br>
much.</font></blockquote><br>
We need someone to be around often enough to get rid of fakes. I trust
you are planning to moderate new members' first and possibly second
messages? (By new members I mean people who weren't previously members of
this list.)<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3>I don't know what
issues you may have and with Yahoo in the past but it's&nbsp; <br>
not a bad experience now. Give it a shot, if you like. What ever you
found&nbsp; <br>
to your liking before will still be here now. Who knows, it may even die
a&nbsp; <br>
slow death.<br><br>
Anyway, I think the NEW list will be better with you, than without
you.<br><br>
BTW how will a 'list' differ from a 'group'? Functionally they will be
the&nbsp; <br>
same. Just not the same software.</font></blockquote><br>
In my experience of about ten or fifteen lists over ten or fifteen years,
the two terms have been interchangeable. With the same Yahoo
software!<br><br>
So does this mean we are all agreed that we migrate to James's new
list?<br><br>
Harry<br><br>
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