Re: Ang: Announcement: Opera-Users mailing list to be closed in late July, 2010

I belonged to a Berkeley alumni list that was terminated by the 
administration, and several members started a Yahoo Groups list to take its 
place.  Some members just didn't handle change well, and engaged in rounds 
of "there's a hole in my bucket . . ." exercises and excuses to voice their 
resistance to the Yahoo list approach.  But the administration refused their 
entreaties to bring back the old listserv, and the gripes eventually stopped 
as users traveled the easy learning curve and adapted to the Yahoo 
environment, or left the list.  The list today functions pretty much like it 
did in the old days.  Its likely this new Opera Users group will evolve in 
the same manner.

John Silby's protestations would be more convincing if the changes require 
continuing efforts by list users.  But we're only talking about a one-time 
bit of work that requires a few minutes and modest effort.  The Yahoo group 
is up and running.  Let's get on with it.

Frank



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Silby" <[email protected]>
To: "Bruce Tober" <[email protected]>; "Using Opera" 
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [OU] Ang: Announcement: Opera-Users mailing list to be closed 
in late July, 2010


> Sorry, Bruce, but you just made my point for me. "Every message on the 
> list concludes with the following instructions:" Certainly, but you have 
> to actually JOIN a list and start receiving emails from it to be able to 
> read those instructions! My point was that it's not as easy to join a 
> Yahoo group as it it is to join a Mailman list; until Katrina pointed it 
> out I did not know that it's possible to join a list by sending a 
> "subscribe" email. I've already commented on that a couple of times.
>
> Why are all you guys so sensitive about Yahoo? Your experience might be 
> different from mine (or you're prepared to put up with more rubbish than I 
> am), but the fact remains that my experience of Yahoo is not good and I 
> don't like it. Nothing you say is going to change that.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:51:34 +1000, Bruce Tober 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Or the same one with several people not totally informed.
>>
>> I've belonged to several yahoo groups/lists. I HATE web-based
>> lists/groups. But with yahoo ones, that's not a problem. Subscribers
>> have the option to read online or to get messages to the list sent
>> directly to their mail box.
>>
>>> need to jump through hoops at Yahoo!, let alone set up an account at a
>>> site - it's a simple matter of sending a "subscribe" email to the
>>> appropriate address.
>>
>> Having set up an account on yahoo one time, the subscriptions to lists
>> is as simple as sending an e-mail to the list owner. Every message on
>> the list concludes with the following instructions:
>> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NameOfList/
>>
>> <*> Your email settings:
>>     Individual Email | Traditional
>>
>> <*> To change settings online go to:
>>     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NameOfList/join
>>     (Yahoo! ID required)
>>
>> <*> To change settings via email:
>>     [email protected]
>>     [email protected]
>>
>> <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>     [email protected]
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