Re: Album hierarchie

Joe, Gunnar,

Ease of use and intuitive use for the user is IMHO very important (I
think this is Joe's message)
But the user in this case is the adminuser.

For me a parent sets it's chldren unless the children have explicitely
set the accessstuff. Before or afterwards.
How to visualize the stuff. That is tough cause the admin should be in
control. I like a admintreeview with it's flags, but not necessarily a
enduser treeviews

I disagree with Gunnar about the home and thumbnails icon. It is
intuitive for me. But if he observes it with its userrs perhaps a hint
(tooltip?) can help. I agree about the download icon. It is positioned
near the navigate icons and thus confusing.


Ronald
--- In [email protected], "Joe Panico" <pixory@y...> wrote:
> 
> Gunnar,
> 
> > Hi Joe, you must be kidding? 
> 
> I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I meant to say that I
> could not visualize how it will work specifically _within Pixory_; I
> didn't mean to imply that I don't now how info hierarchies work in the
> abstract. I'm well aware that the dominant info organization theme is
> hierarchical classification. It's painfully impossible to miss this if
> you work with computers.
> 
> Don't fret. I did remember that you posted a prospective analysis on
> how hierarchies would work in Pixory, and was planning to track down
> the post. But I forgot how detailed your proposal was. It looks like
> it covers a lot of the major issues from the user's end.
> 
> How would you propose that your scheme should interact with the
> "access control" (sharing) settings? To extend your example:
> 
> > My vacation
> > __New York
> > ____At the opera
> > __Quito
> > ____At the market
> 
> 
> Suppose I share "My vaction" with the public. Should that setting
> apply to the pictures immediately in "My vaction" or should it apply
> to everything beneath "My vacation", including sub-albums. What if I
> had previously set __Quito to be private? Would needing to think about
> such issues increase the knowledge burden on the user?
> 
> regards,
> 
> joe
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], Gunnar Heikkilä <pixory@u...> wrote:
> > 
> > > The problem is not the implementation. The biggest problem is that I
> > > can't visualize how it will work.
> > 
> > Hi Joe, you must be kidding? There are lots of tools which 
> > use hierarchical structures, and one of the most widely 
> > used is the Windows file explorer. If you set it to show 
> > "Miniatures" you will get a nice idea of an inuitive 
> > "look-and-feel". 
> > 
> > Of course, in the Pixory case you would rather select the 
> > "folder thumbnail" yourselves, and not display the four 
> > first pictures as Explorer does, but otherwise you could 
> > steal the whole idea?
> > 
> > May I also humbly remind you of my look-and-feel suggestions 
> > made August 20, 2003 (Title "Collected comments", comment #8), 
> > which I copy-paste below for your convenience. 
> > 
> > Note, however, that these comments where based on version 
> > 2.something, and you might have changed the appearance since 
> > then. I wouldn't know about that, since I am running version 
> > 2.12 until there is a version of Pixory which handles 
> > hierarachical albums...
> > 
> > BR
> >    /Gunnar
> > 
> > 8) About hierarchical albums: Yes please! I saw that you are thinking
> > on how to handle the user interface, so here are some suggestions:
> > Currently when you are looking at an album you have the album title
> > (e.g. "My vacation") at the top left corner. You could easily(?) use
> > a recursive description style here, where each title is clickable. An
> > example with two sub-levels:
> > 
> > My vacation
> > __New York
> > ____At the opera
> > 
> > To make this more consistent you could consider adding "Home",
> > or "Top", as the first line:
> > 
> > Home
> > __My vacation
> > ____New York
> > ______At the opera
> > 
> > This could be combined with an "up arrow icon". A minor negative side
> > of the idea of a recursive title display is that the picture area
> > will be slightly smaller, but I think that is a price most of us sub-
> > album fans will be ready to pay.
> > 
> > When looking inside an album with one or more sub-albums, I think
> > that you should mimic the behaviour of Windows Explorer; i.e. the
> > first entries are the cover thumbnails for the sub-albums (with the
> > same info and text as on the top level today), then the thumbnails of
> > the ordinary pictures (if any) follows. Maybe you could emphasize the
> > current top-level "shadow effect" for the sub-album thumbnails even
> > more, thus making it clear that these are sub-albums? Perhaps
> > a "double shadow" which gives the impression of multiple pictures?
> > 
> > I have seen that viewers using Pixory their first time often selects
> > the "house icon" when they in fact only wants to get from the single-
> > picture mode up one level (to the thumbnails). I THINK that this
> > could be due to the fact that in Windows Explorer you only have
> > an "up icon", not a "home icon", and in some way the viewers feel
> > that the "house icon" should take them up one level (towards "home")?
> > 
> > The "four squares icon" might be even more cumbersome to understand
> > for the viewer when you have sub-albums, and thus thumbnails at
> > several levels. You could consider skipping the "house icon" and
> > the "four squares icon" completely, having the "up arrow icon"
> > (together with the recursive title list) as the only ways to go
> > upwards?
> > 
> > If you go for an "up arrow icon", you might consider to use a
> > different symbol for the "download album" since the up- and down-
> > arrow will have completely different scopes. Maybe some kind
> > of "WinZip icon", or a "hard-disk icon" could be used? By the way,
> > you could consider a check-box in the download pop-up window,
> > specifying if only the current level pictures should be downloaded,
> > or if the complete tree should be downloaded.





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