Re: Re: What is the point of QP?

On Nov 3, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Mike Orr wrote:

> Shalabh will point out that QLime has had an O-R mapper for some time,
> and... I don't remember if it has an MVC.

QLime does have an O-R mapper which is, to be honest, no better suited  
to Quixote than any other O-R mapper out there. Except for the use of  
leading '_q_' for some special attributes (a 'trick' I pulled off by  
naming it with Q, hehe ;)

There is no MVC pattern mandated by QLime - it leaves application  
structure open to the developer just like Quixote.

I am going to reduce QLime from a web framework to just an O-R mapper  
in light of the many new developments (Paste, TG etc.). The  
configuration piece turned out to be needlessly complex for what it was  
worth. I have almost re-written the apps behind cafepy.com using just  
Quixote and my O-R mapper.

> But the most interesting
> thing about TurboGears from my perspective is outputting a dictionary,
> which the framework automatically attaches to a template or converts
> to JSON.  And MochiKit, which I haven't looked at yet.  That would be
> a good research project for Quixote.  I may get to it if nobody else
> does first.
>
> Agreed that this should be optional additions to Quixote, not built
> into it.  QPY is a good model of how to experiment with alternate
> implementations without wrecking the Quixote codebase for those who
> don't want it to change.

I'd like to remind everyone of the (free) Quixote Extras Subversion  
repository at http://www.cafepy.com/quixote_extras/. The last time we  
had the "Oh what does Q want to be? it needs some useful modules.. but  
let's keep it out of the core" discussion, that is what came out of it.  
I'm glad to see Mike and Titus make good use of the repository and  
release session2 (link below) - it looks really well done - congrats  
guys!

I'd be wary of diluting the mainstream Py web development market  
further and stealing momentum from the newly forming TG and DJ  
communities (unless there is a really good reason to). I'd be very  
happy to see a bunch of more little apps and add-on modules for Q that  
users can mix and match to build highly *customized* solutions.

Cheers,
Shalabh

session2:  
http://www.cafepy.com/quixote_extras/:publish:/titus/session2/epydoc- 
html/index.html