Re: [foaf-dev] foaf robots as People?

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On 9 March 2015 at 09:35, Melvin Carvalho <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On 9 March 2015 at 00:27, Patrick Logan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In that case it would seem the spec, via "real or imaginary", gives room
>> for that decision.
>>
>> My preference might be to use my own class for your purpose, and draw the
>> line for Persons a little stricter. But I can see your point about that
>> causing other complications, especially if you've no other reason to use
>> your own namespace, classes, etc.
>>
> Currently what I do is I share my key with a process, it logs in as me and
> posts.  But I think a better solution is to give it its own identity and
> have some kind of access control permissions to let it make updates.
>
> On systems like facebook people are often imitated by robots, so I think
> in practical terms it's going to be a grey area.
>
> But seems to me the "correct" way is to use Agent.  That distinction might
> soften into unimportant over time, tho, maybe ...
>

Note: in the chat area I've built, anyone in my "knows" can make a post.
But I can only "know" a Person.  So if the robot is an agent is not a
person, there's a whole new layer needed.


>
>
>> On Mar 8, 2015 4:14 PM, "Melvin Carvalho" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 March 2015 at 00:12, Patrick Logan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Can I make them a Person?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> In what ways would this make a difference to the systems or people
>>>> working with the data?
>>>>
>>>
>>> well im working on a social system with timelines, apps etc.  Id like to
>>> give the robot the same abilities as a person has, viewing, writing etc.
>>> without having to change whole bunches of code.  The easiest way to do this
>>> would be to make the robot type Agent and Person ... is it too much a
>>> stretch do you think?
>>>
>>>
>

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te">On 9 March 2015 at 09:35, Melvin Carvalho <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
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.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
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r"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span clas=
s=3D"">On 9 March 2015 at 00:27, Patrick Logan <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">patrickdlogan@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">=
In that case it would seem the spec, via &quot;real or imaginary&quot;, giv=
es room for that decision. </p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">My preference might be to use my own class for your purpose,=
 and draw the line for Persons a little stricter. But I can see your point =
about that causing other complications, especially if you&#39;ve no other r=
eason to use your own namespace, classes, etc.</p></blockquote></span><div>=
Currently what I do is I share my key with a process, it logs in as me and =
posts.=C2=A0 But I think a better solution is to give it its own identity a=
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gent is not a person, there&#39;s a whole new layer needed.<br></div><div>=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mar 8, 2015 4:14 PM, &quot;Melvin Carvalho&qu=
ot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">melvi=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 March 2015 at 00:12, Patrick Logan <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">patrickd=
[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><sp=
an><p dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>
&gt; Can I make them a Person?<br>
&gt;</p>
</span><p dir=3D"ltr">In what ways would this make a difference to the syst=
ems or people working with the data?<br></p></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>well im working on a social system with timelines, apps etc.=C2=A0 Id lik=
e to give the robot the same abilities as a person has, viewing, writing et=
c. without having to change whole bunches of code.=C2=A0 The easiest way to=
 do this would be to make the robot type Agent and Person ... is it too muc=
h a stretch do you think? <br></div></div><br></div></div>
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</div></div></blockquote></span></div><br></div></div>
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