Minutes, 19 April 2007 WS Description WG telcon
"Jonathan Marsh" <[email protected]> Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:38:56 -0700
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<h1>WS Description WG telcon</h1>
<h2>19 Apr 2007</h2>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Charlton Baretto, Adobe Systems</dd>
<dd>Allen Brookes, Rogue Wave Software</dd>
<dd>Roberto Chinnici, Sun Microsystems</dd>
<dd>Youenn Fablet, Canon</dd>
<dd>Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft</dd>
<dd>Tom Jordahl, Adobe Systems</dd>
<dd>Jacek Kopecky, DERI Innsbruck at the Leopold-Franzens-Universität Innsbruck, Austria</dd>
<dd>Philippe Le Hegaret, W3C</dd>
<dd>Jonathan Marsh, Co-chair/WSO2</dd>
<dd>Jean-Jacques Moreau, Canon</dd>
<dd>Gilbert Pilz, BEA Systems</dd>
<dd>Tony Rogers, Co-chair/Computer Associates</dd>
<dd>Arthur Ryman, IBM</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Amelia Lewis, TIBCO</dd>
<dd>Asir Vedamuthu, Microsoft</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Jonathan</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>plh</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">Approval of minutes</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">Action items</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">Administrivia</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">issue 4427</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">Issue 4429</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">Issue 4431</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">Issue 4430</a></li>
<li><a href="#item08">Issue 4434</a></li>
<li><a href="#item09">Issue 4435</a></li>
<li><a href="#item10">Issue 4436</a></li>
<li><a href="#item11">Issue 4457</a></li>
<li><a href="#item12">Issue 4458</a></li>
<li><a href="#item13">Issue 4468</a></li>
<li><a href="#item14">Issue 4458</a></li>
<li><a href="#item15">Next steps</a></li>
<li><a href="#item16">Interchange format note</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
<hr />
<div class="meeting">
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> scribe: plh</p>
<h3 id="item01">Approval of minutes</h3>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: minutes approved</p>
<h3 id="item02">Action items</h3>
<pre>Review of Action items [.1].
? 2006-09-21: Jonathan to check periodically that SPARQL has
added schemaLocation.
? 2007-01-04: Paul to report back on which test cases in the
WSDL test suite fail the basic patterns, with
suggestions on how to address the issues.
DONE [.3] 2007-04-21: Jonathan to add Bugzilla links to the Home Page, including ed
action queries.
? 2007-04-21: Charlton to look at resolution of WSDL 1.1 element
identifiers resolutions.
DONE [.4] 2007-04-21: Philippe to propose resolution for 4427.
DONE [.5] 2007-04-21: Philippe to investigate 4430.
Current Editorial Action Items
? 2007-03-15: Philippe to update the namespace documents upon PR
pub.
MOVED [.3] 2007-03-29: Part 1 Editors, Bug 4381 [.5]
MOVED [.3] 2007-03-29: Part 1 Editors, Bug 4421 [.6]
MOVED [.3] 2007-03-29: Part 2 Editors, Bug 4422 [.7]
Note: Editorial AIs associated with LC issues recorded at [.2].
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/actions_owner.html
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#public_drafts (see "Other documents")
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0032.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0033.html</pre>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> added some bugzilla
links on the homepage</p>
<h3 id="item03">Administrivia</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> still working on WSDL
2.0 descriptions for existing HTTP<br />
... Arthur and I checked those into the test suite<br />
... last week we had the WSDL 2.0 in URIs item.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Philippe:</cite> I need to double check
for this</p><a name="action01" id="action01"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Philippe to double check <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Mar/0072.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Mar/0072.html</a>
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action01</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item04">issue 4427</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Philippe:</cite> [summarizes the
proposal]</p>
<p class='phone'>"A WSDL 2.0 Infoset contains representations for a
collection of WSDL 2.0 components that share a common target namespace and zero or
more wsdl:import element information items 4.2 Importing Descriptions
that corresponds to a collection with components drawn from multiple target
namespaces."</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite>
s/corresponds/correspond/<br />
... s/drawn//</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> New text: "A WSDL
2.0 Infoset contains representations for a
collection of WSDL 2.0 components that share a common target namespace and zero or
more wsdl:import element information items 4.2 Importing Descriptions
that correspond to a collection with components from multiple target
namespaces."</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> objection to adopt the
new text?</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: proposal adopted.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> we should mark the bug
as resolved, once the editors integrated the proposal</p>
<h3 id="item05">Issue 4429</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> redundancy of
asssertions.<br />
... we resolved 4381 and those seem duplicate</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: 4429 is a duplicate of 4381</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Issue:</cite> 4431</p>
<h3 id="item06">Issue 4431</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0027.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0027.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'>Proposed text: "Two component instances of the
same type are considered equivalent if, for each property of
the first component, there is an equivalent property on the
second component, and vice versa.</p>
<p class='phone'>Instances of properties are considered
equivalent if they have the same type and their values are
equivalent."</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> Two component
instances of the same type are considered equivalent if,
for</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> each</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> property of the
first component, there is a corresponding property with an</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> equivalent
value,</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> on the second</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> component, and
vice versa.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jacek:</cite> "for each property value"
?</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> "for each
property" -> "for each property value"</p>
<p class='phone'>Proposed text: "Two component instances of the
same type are considered equivalent if, for property value of
the first component, there is a corresponding property with an
equivalent value, on the secondcomponent, and vice versa."</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: proposed text adopted</p>
<h3 id="item07">Issue 4430</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Philippe:</cite> [summarizes the
proposal]</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jacek:</cite> it talks about characters
and looks like it can conflict, but the binding use replacement
mechanism.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> the main purpose of
this is to refer to the appropriate section</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> Note that the
presence in this property of the characters</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> "?" and "#" can
conflict with those potentially added by the query string</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> serialization
mechanism, section 6.8.2, Serialization as</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>>
"application/x-www-form-urlencoded", [WSDL 2.0 Adjuncts].</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>charlton</cite>> looks good to
me</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: proposed text adopted. No action on
interaction with CR157.</p>
<h3 id="item08">Issue 4434</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> the suggestion is to
move the example before the last paragraph</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: no objection to change the order</p>
<h3 id="item09">Issue 4435</h3>
<p class='phone'><a href=
"http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#RPCStyle">
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#RPCStyle</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> agreed. better move it
with the first or fifth paragraph<br />
... would rather have it lower in 4.1.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jean-Jacques:</cite> switching 3rd and
4th paragraphs?</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: we'll switch 3rd and 4th paragraphs
in section 4.1 RPC Style</p>
<h3 id="item10">Issue 4436</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Philippe:</cite> duplicate of "An
Interface Operation component conforming to the RPC style MUST
obey the constraints listed further below." ?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> we need to keep the
fact that RPC only works with XML Schema language<br />
... we could strike the early part of the sentence:
"Furthermore, the associate messages MUST conform to the rules
below, ..." and turns pagagraph 2 and 3 into a single
paragraph."</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tom:</cite> do we need to change that
anyway?</p>
<p class='phone'>Philippe&Jean-Jacques: ok with
proposal</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: Jonathan's proposal is adopted.</p>
<h3 id="item11">Issue 4457</h3><a name="action02" id=
"action02"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Philippe to fix the references
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action02</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item12">Issue 4458</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> could be a bug or a
feature request<br />
... would like to know how to support both
application/x-www-form-urlencoded and application/sparql-query
in the query operation</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Philippe:</cite> you can't have more
than on whttp:inputSerialization within the same binding
operation</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> nope. you can put
multiple media type in it, and it's up to the client to pick
one</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>jjm</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Sep/0007">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2006Sep/0007</a></p><a name="action03"
id="action03"></a>
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>>
<strong>ACTION:</strong> Philippe to look into issue 4458
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action03</a>]</p>
<h3 id="item13">Issue 4468</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Proposed:</cite> s/is set/is not
set/</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: adopted</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2007Mar/0010.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2007Mar/0010.html</a></p>
<h3 id="item14">Issue 4458</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> they'll have to invent
an extension to indicate some other kind of serialization for
application/sparql-query in the case when they use #element or
#any<br />
... since the default is application/xml<br />
... we could close the issue against our spec<br />
... and I'll follow-up with them</p>
<p class='phone'>Resolved: close issue 4458 with no action,
Jonathan will follow-up with them</p>
<h3 id="item15">Next steps</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> no more issues and last
call ended on Sunday<br />
... I was able to write a description of flickr, but it has
limitations<br />
... but authorization would need a policy<br />
... atom publication protocol, google publishing protocol<br />
... we have Arthur bugzilla one<br />
... I'll play with that<br />
... add the keyword "resolved" in the issues list</p>
<h3 id="item16">Interchange format note</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> ok to retire it?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Arthur:</cite> ok</p>
<p class='phone'>[adjourned]</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philippe to
double check <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Mar/0072.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Mar/0072.html</a>
[recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action01">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action01</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philippe to fix
the references [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action02">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action02</a>]<br />
<strong>[NEW]</strong> <strong>ACTION:</strong> Philippe to look
into issue 4458 [recorded in <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action03">http://www.w3.org/2007/04/19-ws-desc-minutes.html#action03</a>]<br />
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