Minutes, 26 April 2007 WS Description WG telcon
"Jonathan Marsh" <[email protected]> Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:00:27 -0700
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<h1>WS Description WG telcon</h1>
<h2>26 Apr 2007</h2>
<p>See also: <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-ws-desc-irc">IRC log</a></p>
<h2><a name="attendees" id="attendees">Attendees</a></h2>
<div class="intro">
<dl>
<dt>Present</dt>
<dd>Charlton Baretto, Adobe Systems</dd>
<dd>Allen Brookes, Rogue Wave Software</dd>
<dd>Roberto Chinnici, Sun Microsystems</dd>
<dd>Ram Jeyaraman, Microsoft</dd>
<dd>Jacek Kopecky, DERI Innsbruck at the Leopold-Franzens-Universität Innsbruck, Austria</dd>
<dd>Amelia Lewis, TIBCO</dd>
<dd>Philippe Le Hegaret, W3C</dd>
<dd>Jonathan Marsh, Co-chair/WSO2</dd>
<dd>Monica Martin, Sun Microsystems</dd>
<dd>Jean-Jacques Moreau, Canon</dd>
<dd>Gilbert Pilz, BEA Systems</dd>
<dd>Tony Rogers, Co-chair/Computer Associates</dd>
<dt>Regrets</dt>
<dd>Youenn Fablet, Canon</dd>
<dd>Arthur Ryman, IBM</dd>
<dt>Chair</dt>
<dd>Jonathan</dd>
<dt>Scribe</dt>
<dd>gpilz</dd>
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<h2>Contents</h2>
<ul>
<li>
<a href="#agenda">Topics</a>
<ol>
<li><a href="#item01">action items</a></li>
<li><a href="#item02">bug 4431</a></li>
<li><a href="#item03">bug 4491</a></li>
<li><a href="#item04">editorial issues</a></li>
<li><a href="#item05">4493</a></li>
<li><a href="#item06">review examples of WSDL 2.0
descriptions for existing HTTP</a></li>
<li><a href="#item07">WSDL WG Comments on WSDL 1.1 Element
Identifiers</a></li>
<li><a href="#item08">future telcons</a></li>
</ol>
</li>
<li><a href="#ActionSummary">Summary of Action Items</a></li>
</ul>
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<div class="meeting">
<p class='irc'><<cite>scribe</cite>> SCRIBE: gpilz</p>
<pre>Review of Action items [.1].
? 2006-09-21: Jonathan to check periodically that SPARQL has
added schemaLocation.
? 2007-01-04: Paul to report back on which test cases in the
WSDL test suite fail the basic patterns, with
suggestions on how to address the issues.
DONE [.3] 2007-04-21: Charlton to look at resolution of WSDL 1.1 element
identifiers resolutions.
DONE [.2] 2007-04-19: Jonathan to respond to issue 4458.
Current Editorial Action Items
? 2007-03-15: Philippe to update the namespace documents upon PR
pub.
DONE 2007-04-19: Philippe to double check
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Mar/0072.html
DONE 2007-04-19: Philippe to fix the references in all three docs.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-comments/2007Apr/0001.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2007Apr/0011.html
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<h3 id="item01">action items</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> some editorial action
items for Phillipe</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> All of them are
closed</p>
<p class='irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> <a href=
"http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0070.html">
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0070.html</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> Lets talk about
"wsdl20" token for the dated versions of the schemas</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> What do people
want?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> I thought the dated
versions were supposed to be stable?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> I'm not sure</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> It seems strange to
hacve '20' in the dated versions but not the latest versions .
. .</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tony:</cite> I don't like the 'wsdl20';
I don't mind 'wsdl2'</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> Lets drop '20' or '2'
etc.<br />
... Just 'wsdl'</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> That would be great</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tony:</cite> That would be consistent as
well</p>
<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION:
Phillipe to add the above to existing action item</strong></p>
<h3 id="item02">bug 4431</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>plh</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4431">http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4431</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> (requests some
clarification)</p>
<h3 id="item03">bug 4491</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> (describes bug)<br />
... It's not clear to me how critical this is going to
be?<br />
... Thoughts?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> Updating the spec is
the easy part; we'd have to update all the tests as well.</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tony:</cite> I can see someone doing
this for a test but not in real life</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>All:</cite> (back and forth on details -
is this runtime behavior or something that should be
described?)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> I'm not hearing anybody
who thinks this is obviously necessary</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tony:</cite> If its going to hold things
up, sorry, its too late</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> Yeah, but you could
make the case that this is really important</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> Tell me again what
breaks if we don't have this?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> I'm not sure . .
.<br />
... I don't there's anything in WSDL or anywhere else that
tells you you should fault if you get a 201 back instead of a
200</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tony:</cite> You may get a fault you
hadn't thought of</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> We could just fall back
on HTTP and consider it a fault if you get a 4xx</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> We have an in/out
operation, what do we expect currently?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>All:</cite> (not sure)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> That's my point. If
we're going to get into this, we'll end up describing
everything about the HTTP layer</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jean-Jacques:</cite> you can have faults
without bodies and you need a way to differentiate faults from
normal responses<br />
... It seems that we don't have enough reasoning as to why we
would need this feature . . .</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> Is it worth going back
to PR?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Tony:</cite> This will be the last time
we could add this for quite a while</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>All:</cite> (discussion of schedule
impacts)</p>
<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: close
with no action</strong></p>
<h3 id="item04">editorial issues</h3>
<p class='irc'><<cite>Jonathan</cite>> <a href=
"http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4492">http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4492</a></p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> 4492</p>
<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: accept
proposal</strong></p>
<h3 id="item05">4493</h3>
<p class='phone'><strong class='resolution'>RESOLUTION: accept
proposal</strong></p>
<h3 id="item06">review examples of WSDL 2.0 descriptions for
existing HTTP</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> (summary - no joy
here)<br />
... Phillipe, what do you think we need to show the Director?
WSDL or interaction?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> Both. We should at
least show him the WSDL does work . .</p>
<p class='phone'>Jonathan & Phillipe: (discussion of
logistics around getting to PR)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> Since we have to wait
for 2 weeks anyway, should we just keep things open in case we
find more typos, etc.?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> No objections to that .
. .</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> This also gives me time
to respond to all the comments . . .</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> The editorial actions
are all done</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> (proposes that we don't
go to PR today)<br />
... How long between voting to go to PR and getting the PR docs
published?</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Phillipe:</cite> A week (probably)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> Plan of record is that
we will vote to go to PR in 2 weeks.</p>
<h3 id="item07">WSDL WG Comments on WSDL 1.1 Element
Identifiers</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Charlton:</cite> (summarizes)</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> I'll see if there is a
response that I need to make . . .</p>
<p class='phone'><cite>Charlton:</cite> I need to let them know
whether the WG accepts these resolutions</p>
<h3 id="item08">future telcons</h3>
<p class='phone'><cite>Jonathan:</cite> No call next week. Next
call in two weeks: 2007-05-10</p>
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<h2><a name="ActionSummary" id="ActionSummary">Summary of Action
Items</a></h2><!-- Action Items -->
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