Re: conneg considered harmful

To be clear what Roy actually said was "In general, I avoid content
negotiation *without redirects* like the plague because of its effect on
caching." *(my emphasis)*

Regards,
Alan Dean


On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 6:01 AM, Peter Williams <[email protected]>wrote:

> Most of those don't talk about why using content negotiation is bad in
> general.  Instead they talk about how truly different resources should have
> their own uris even if they are variants of one another (eg articles about
> the same subject written in different human languages). That seems very
> reasonable.  However, those arguments don't apply to situations where
> multiple, truly mechanically translatable, representations of a single
> resource exist.
>
> One of those mention that conneg has a negative effect on caching. Is
> being harder to cache the only ill effect of sever driven conneg?
>
> Peter
> Barelyenough.org
> On Feb 15, 2013 3:31 PM, "Alan Dean" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps it is worth referencing some other other Fielding quotes on the
>> subject:
>>
>> https://delicious.com/alan.dean/Roy.Fielding+conneg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan Dean
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Peter Williams <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> That is an interesting quote. I have occasionally heard
>>> unsubstantiated claims regarding the badness of accept header based
>>> content negotiation. It is interesting that Roy perceives it as
>>> "revolting".
>>>
>>> Personally, i rather like it but perhaps i am missing something
>>> important. I'd definitely like to hear someone (or multiple someones)
>>> actually articulate what they perceive as problematic about it. So far
>>> i don't recall ever reading a discussion of the downsides that got
>>> beyond "i don't like it" or "it is hard for me to implement" (neither
>>> of which resonate with me).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Eric J. Bowman [email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Mark Baker wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Besides, client driven uses hypermedia so is way more RESTful.
>>>
>>> Mark, can you explain a bit more why you think this? It is not clear
>>> to me why avoiding this particular part of http's uniform interface
>>> would make a client more RESTful.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>> barelyenough.org
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
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