Re: Hypermedia workflow

Francis McCabe <[email protected]>
Newsgroups gmane.comp.web.services.ws-arch
Message-ID <[email protected]>
+1

On Sunday, December 22, 2002, at 04:05  AM, Miles Sabin wrote:

>
> Assaf Arkin wrote,
>> In fact, my experience, just like yours, proves that any multi-party
>> choreography can be broken down into a set of two-party interactions,
>> and any set of two-party interactions that is performed in the proper
>> order would result in a multi-party interaction.
>
> I think it's uncontroversial that from a technical point of view this
> transformation can always be done in principle. I'm less sure that the
> resulting pairwise protocol would always have desirable efficiency and
> robustness characteristics ... eg., wrt efficiency, compare true
> broadcast with a pairwise emulation; or wrt robustness, the pairwise
> protocol might depend on an auxiliary coordinator which might be a
> single point of failure.
>
> From a non-technical point of view, I'm worried that legal
> considerations might get in the way of reducing multi-party to pairwise
> interactions: in a jurisdiction which recognizes multi-party agreements
> as legal primitives it could be the case that a transformation to
> pairwise agreements changes the legal landscape in unexpected or
> unfortunate ways. Maybe there just aren't any jurisdictions which
> recognize primitive multi-party agreements, in which case this is a
> non-problem. But nobody has managed to provide me with convincing
> evidence that this is so (yet), and I can't think of any a priori
> reason why it should be.
>
> And even if the legalities are pairwise-friendly, it might still be the
> case that informal business agreements are often multi-party, with an
> only hazy connection with background legally binding pairwise
> agreements. Those informal agreements might Just Work sufficiently well
> in enough cases that any disconnect with the legal background aren't
> troublesome. On the contrary, aligning a practical multi-party
> agreement with a strictly legally binding set of pairwise agreements
> might be too time-consuming and expensive to be worthwhile. The problem
> here is that automating this stuff would be dependent on that alignment
> being done upfront, and that might be a significant obstacle.
>
> I for one don't know how to begin to answer these last questions ...
> this looks more like territory for lawyers and sociologists than for
> protocol designers.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Miles
>
lmpx.com only provides a reader for public news (NNTP) servers. It is not affiliated with the servers or forums shown here and is not responsible for the content of articles, which is written by their respective authors.