Re: Working on SIM-82

Sure - if it's done on a branch, I'm all for it. We'll test it as much 
as we can on different servers, but please use i18n characters in your 
tests - that's the hardest part to get right.

Cheers,
Mike

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On 10/03/2004, at 1:30 PM, Joseph B. Ottinger wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 18:51, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
>> I'm a +1 on this _as long as you're willing to put in the testing
>> effort_.
>>
>> Sorry to be a bore on this (we'd all like SiteMesh to be better), 
>> but...
>>
>> Trust me when I say that Scott has put in a s**tload of time testing
>> SiteMesh on all of the different application servers we support 
>> (Orion,
>> Resin, Jetty, JBoss, Tomcat, Weblogic, Websphere, SunOne, JRun) and
>> we've found that developing SiteMesh is like playing whack-a-mole. Fix
>> something (like i18n) on one server and it then breaks on another.
>
> Sure. That's why I was bringing it up to the list instead of just
> hacking away until it works for *my* needs. I don't have every server,
> not by a long shot - I'd need some kind of group support, at the very
> least, participating in testing and fixing.
>
>> The existing test suite is pretty good, but testing is laborious
>> because it really requires setting up all of these servers and
>> hammering at them one by one.
>>
>> At the moment the only real SiteMesh issues that I know of are the 
>> HTML
>> file problems on some Tomcat versions, and the i18n problem with Resin
>> + Velocity decorators (I believe this one is a Resin bug but will 
>> check
>> with Scott).
>
> Well, the Tomcat issues are pretty severe. It makes sense once you know
> what the problems are, but the solution is unsatisfactory - and 
> remember
> that Tomcat is *probably* the most popular container out there. Being
> unable to decorate static content in the most popular container out
> there (again, I don't have substantive numbers, but I think it's a safe
> guess) is Not A Good Thing.
>
> Luckily, it's SIM-83 that gave me a good idea about how to fix it,
> although I'm quite sure there are issues I won't anticipate offhand.
> Again, my goal was to get some sense of community support for fixing 
> the
> thing once and for all. If I'm doing this as an island effort there's 
> no
> point as Tomcat isn't a "normal" container for me.
>
>> Can we maybe do this on a branch if it's going to hack at the core?
>> (which I agree is a complete ball of wax at the moment - but most of
>> that is because all the container specific stuff are bug fixes gained
>> through much pain in the past).
>
> Sure, I had no intention of putting into HEAD until it was ready.
>
>
>
>
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