Re: The way Apache is restarted and the WO adaptor & MacOSX 10.3 Server deployement

Same here. There quite a lot of work to do to migrate large 
applications from one environment to another. I have started the basics 
i.e. repackaging the frameworks but I have not yet managed to repackage 
the applications. And I am far from testing...

I am exploring another avenue which is to rewrite wotaskd and provide 
my own deployment environment.

Pierre
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Pierre Frisch
sPearWay Ltd.
sPearCat Web Catalogs, the flexibility of custom design, the price of a 
package.
http://www.spearcat.com/


On Jan 9, 2004, at 13:19, Chuck Hill wrote:

> I've seen a number of people post that they were going to migrate, but 
> I've not seen any reports of success or failure yet.  Jonathan 
> Rentzsch was one of them, I recall.
>
> I've installed JBoss on my machine and poked around a bit.  Wow.  My 
> first reaction is, "Wow does this look complicated!"  This is going to 
> take some time to learn.
>
> I do find it a little suspicious that WO deployment is deactivated on 
> 10.3 by default and not accessible through the server manager thingy.  
> Perhaps they know something they are not telling us?  ;-)
>
>
> Chuck
>
> Pierre Frisch wrote:
>
>> Hi Chuck,
>> Who has taken the plunge and converted? What are the drawback? We 
>> very often deploy the same application multiple times for different 
>> customers i.e. the same exe but multiple application in monitor. Form 
>> what I have read this does not work in JBoss or am I mistaken?
>> Pierre
>> -- 
>> Pierre Frisch
>> sPearWay Ltd.
>> sPearCat Web Catalogs, the flexibility of custom design, the price of 
>> a package.
>> http://www.spearcat.com/
>> On Jan 9, 2004, at 11:49, Chuck Hill wrote:
>>> Or a subtle hint to use JBoss for deployment?  :-)
>>>
>>> Will Scheidegger wrote:
>>>
>>>> To make things even weirder: My problems started around November 
>>>> too except that all I did around that time was installing more apps 
>>>> and running a few system updates (no Java update though). Hm.... 
>>>> secret backdoor wo-fail feature for every other WO deployment 
>>>> server in fall 2003? ;-)
>>>> -Will
>>>> On Friday, January 9, 2004, at 07:57 PM, Chuck Hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pierre,
>>>>>
>>>>> Before upgrading to 10.3, were you using JDK 1.3.1 or 1.4.1 on 
>>>>> 10.2? I'm trying to determine if this might also be JVM related.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pierre Frisch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the same experience except that I can pin point it to 10.3 
>>>>>> and WO 5.2.2. Nothing has changed on that box except the version 
>>>>>> of the OS and WO. It was perfectly stable with 10.2.8 and WO 
>>>>>> 5.2.1 and I had to upgrade it so that we can deploy our new 
>>>>>> developments... This was done in November and since I have no way 
>>>>>> of managing that machine properly. The monitor lose connection 
>>>>>> with wotaskd or come back with the too many files open message. I 
>>>>>> can never start and stop instances. Sometime I manage to get the 
>>>>>> box running a bit longer by restarting WO. There is a script to 
>>>>>> do this in /System/Library/StartupItems/WebObjects but it is 
>>>>>> broken, I have posted the corrected one a week ago.
>>>>>> The worse is that whenever I need to restart an instance the only 
>>>>>> solution is to reboot the machine. Not good.
>>>>>> We manufacture a product (www.spearcat.com) based on WebObjects 
>>>>>> and we need to support MacOS 10.3 for our customer but this is 
>>>>>> not looking good.
>>>>>> Pierre
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Pierre Frisch
>>>>>> sPearWay Ltd.
>>>>>> sPearCat Web Catalogs, the flexibility of custom design, the 
>>>>>> price of a package.
>>>>>> http://www.spearcat.com/
>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2004, at 10:25, Will Scheidegger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stefan, Laura
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Our setup on a pretty old G4 has been running pretty stable for 
>>>>>>> quite some while. And it's not easy to say exactly when things 
>>>>>>> started to get ugly. We continuously installed more apps on the 
>>>>>>> server, but the  the processor is still more than 75% idle. Fact 
>>>>>>> is that our apps become unavailable quite often now although 
>>>>>>> they're still up and running. Sometimes the wo adaptor acts up 
>>>>>>> (we think this started when we activated mod_rewrite on one of 
>>>>>>> our sites) and more recently wotaskd seems to go crazy. But...
>>>>>>> - we could not track down to problem yet
>>>>>>> - we did not find a proper way to restart WO without restarting 
>>>>>>> the whole box
>>>>>>> - every time we think we might have found a symptom (like too 
>>>>>>> many CLOSE_WAIT connections listed by the lsof command) it turns 
>>>>>>> out that we cannot use it to reliably watch the server...
>>>>>>> - in short: We have no clue how to resolve these problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We decided quite a while ago that we wanted "real" server 
>>>>>>> hardware and that we would go with Solaris (our other servers 
>>>>>>> are already SUN boxes). So it's not just the recent problems 
>>>>>>> with WO deployment that drove us to that decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said before: I really would like to have a couple of Xserve 
>>>>>>> four our deployment, but it's not really what we need and when 
>>>>>>> it comes to deployment I have to respect other opinions to in 
>>>>>>> our company ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 9, 2004, at 06:06 PM, Stefan Apelt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Will,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> your mail from 09.01.2004, 17:47:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damn! We just bought a Sun server because we gave up on 
>>>>>>>>> WebObjects on
>>>>>>>>> MacOS X Server because of problems like the one you're 
>>>>>>>>> describing. Now
>>>>>>>>> you're telling us that wotaskd / wo adaptor is flunky on 
>>>>>>>>> Solaris too?
>>>>>>>>> Very encouraging. I think I'll move to Tomcat!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I  don't  know about the differences in JVM implementation for 
>>>>>>>> Solaris
>>>>>>>> vs.  MacOS  vs. Linux. We have Linux 2.4.x+Java 1.4.x+WO 5.2.x 
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> for around a year now and wotaskd never made problems (1 web 
>>>>>>>> server, 2
>>>>>>>> app  servers,  1 db server, ~20 apps, ~50 instances, lots of 
>>>>>>>> requests,
>>>>>>>> servers  are  connected  via switched Gigabit ethernet). I did 
>>>>>>>> not try
>>>>>>>> JDK  1.3.1  on  Linux  but  with 1.4, it works very well. I 
>>>>>>>> don't know
>>>>>>>> about Linux on Sun either, for that matter. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By  the  way,  we almost never restart Apache nor wotaskd 
>>>>>>>> (well, three
>>>>>>>> times  a year or so for upgrading). Is this really necessary? 
>>>>>>>> Or could
>>>>>>>> it  be a performance or timing issue, eg. that you have a slow 
>>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>> connection  between servers, broken cable, poorly written 
>>>>>>>> network card
>>>>>>>> driver or something like that which drives wotaskd crazy? In 
>>>>>>>> that case
>>>>>>>> a new server might not help much...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>  Stefan
>>>>>>>>
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