Re: WWDC Security concern

Thanks a lot, Lucas. I knew it couldn't be that bad. Coming from  
Boston and Manhattan before that, I find San Francisco odd in the way  
you can go one or two blocks and suddenly be in a "bad" neighborhood  
but I've never had trouble in San Francisco.

Marc

On Jul 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Lucas Rockwell wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This thread reminds me of one of my favorite Yoda quotes:
>
>    "Slimy? Mudhole? My home this is!"
>
> I live in the Terndeloin -- on O'Farrell between Hyde and  
> Levenworth. I
> can give you all some practical advice:
>
>    Stay off Ellis from Mason going Westward (and all streets between
> Market and Ellis*). That means, if you are staying at the Mark Twain,
> the best route from Moscone is to walk up to Market, cross Market to
> Stockton (you all know that street, it is the street the Apple  
> Store is
> on), and then take O'Farrell to Taylor (where the Mark Twain is).
>
> Basically, you always want the Union Square area to be your pivot  
> point.
> Walk East/West on O'Farrell, Geary, Post, Sutter, etc., and then
> North/South on Mason, Powell, Stockton.
>
> If you look at a map you will say to yourself, "Oh, I can just walk  
> down
> Taylor to Market street and then over to 4th." Don't do this. Just  
> walk
> down O'Farrell to Stockton, and then across Market to 4th.
>
> -lucas
>
> * This generally applies to the nighttime, but I don't walk in that  
> area
> even in the day because I don't want to deal with drama. I can handle
> people asking me for money, but I'd never want to get in the middle of
> someone else's problems/drama. And there is a lot of it in that  
> part of
> town.
>
>> Well, I'm coming from Turkey for WWDC, and I've also booked in  
>> Mark Twain.
>> So hope it will be fine (at least not worse than Istanbul).. It  
>> seems just
>> a
>> mile from Moscone (from Google Maps), so it'll be OK to walk in a  
>> pleasant
>> day. If not, a 4$ ride is always welcome (if you'd like to share  
>> the cab,
>> please don't hesitate to contact me :) )
>>
>> Thank you for all the info you shared.
>>
>> See you all there;
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/18/06 11:35 PM, "Tom M.Blenko" <[email protected]>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's really not that bad.
>>>
>>> The Tenderloin is kind of a surprise if you've been wandering around
>>> the tourist destinations in SF. It's not  a pleasant place -- dirty,
>>> run down, lots of people you'd rather not do business with. If  
>>> you have
>>> been in major cities in the U.S. you know not to flash your wallet
>>> around and to ignore people who approach you on the street.
>>>
>>> The one thing I do caution people visiting SF about is that,  
>>> while it
>>> often seems genteel and picturesque (especially in the summer  
>>> when the
>>> weather is nice), it's crime rate, as far as I know, is pretty  
>>> much the
>>> same as that of any other major U.S. city. So you want to watch your
>>> bag, keep your wallet in a safe pocket, don't leave anything very
>>> expensive in your hotel room, and think defensively.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 1:10 PM, Marc Respass wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh man, is it really so bad that you should be in a cab? I'm  
>>>> staying
>>>> at 610 Geary (Geary and Leavonworth) which looks to be just  
>>>> inside the
>>>> Tenderloin. Last year, I stayed over at 7th and Howard and  
>>>> didn't have
>>>> any trouble. I found this
>>>> (http://www.sfgate.com/traveler/guide/sf/neighborhoods/
>>>> tenderloin.shtml). It looks like it could be a fun neighborhood.  
>>>> I was
>>>> planning on walking around.
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Alan Ward wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hang on a minute... I was confusing the Mark Twain with the Mark
>>>>> Hopkins.  The Mark Twain is at O'farrel and Taylor
>>>>> which is in the Tenderloin.  But it's probably only a $4 cab ride
>>>>> from Moscone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2006, at 12:47 PM, Miguel Arroz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I booked my stay in Mark Twain Hotel:
>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/maps?
>>>>>> hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&q=mark 
>>>>>> +twain&near=Sa
>>>>>> n+Francisco,+CA&cid=0,0,10936642302192841740&ll=37.785510,
>>>>>> -122.411343&spn=0,.02&iwstate1=form:to&sa=X&oi=local&ct=direction 
>>>>>> s-
>>>>>> to>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Some reviews say it's crap, some say it's good. I guess it's  
>>>>>> good
>>>>>> enough for me, but I got worried about one review, that says  
>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>> bad location of SF. For you guys who know SF, how bad is it? I  
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> mind about prostitution and stuff, but is it OK to carry my  
>>>>>> bag with
>>>>>> the powerbook every WWDC day (specially the meet-up day, that  
>>>>>> ends
>>>>>> by 10pm)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Yours
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miguel Arroz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       "GUERRA E' PAZ
>>>>>>        LIBERDADE E' ESCRAVIDAO
>>>>>>        IGNORANCIA E' FORCA"       -- 1984
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Miguel Arroz
>>>>>> http://www.ipragma.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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