Re: replacement for webobjects builder?

I am not sure if redirect the WebObjects-deve Digest is a wise thing to do. 
Any way, there are interesting discussions in this edition about the 
WOBuilder & WOLips in concurrent with our mailing subject:
Webobjects-dev Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38

There are some sighs about productivity using Eclipse/WOLips, since 
WOBuilder still offer the better productiivy on the UI construction.  My 
user experience is I could develope many many controllers and models (MC) 
with little concerns on view part (V) as long as it displays some diagram 
component flows.  UI fine-tuning (or plastic surgery) could be dealt with 
once the MC have been built in a solid foundation.  Still I appreciate 
insights from Lachlan on the advice of alternative tool, and this is 
definitely of all concerned interests since it is also raised in Apple 
lists.

The fun of developing with WO could becomes pains-taking now (challenging? 
be positive :-) ).

Cheers

Cheong Hee

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lachlan Deck" <[email protected]>
To: "Webobjects-Dev Omni" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: replacement for webobjects builder?


> Hi there,
>
> On 17/01/2007, at 1:24 PM, Cheong Hee (Datasonic) wrote:
>
>> I have put Eclipse/WOLips in Windows. My Hello World is running :-)  and 
>> I still need to figure out quite a bit.  However, I do notice  that 
>> WOBuilder does not have the UI that have drag & drop function  for us to 
>> put WO Components in html page.  In this case, we have to  go into html 
>> editing and it takes time to work on UI.  I could be  overlooked and 
>> please comment.
>
> WebObjects Builder was never a so-called 'pro' WYSIWYG html editor.  It 
> gave you enough though to map out pages. You can still use  WebObjects 
> Builder to sketch out your components basic html structure  if you feel 
> you need to.
>
>> The team behind WOLips have done a tremendous job to integrate WO  into 
>> Eclipse. As the Project Builder is no longer supported, I am  just 
>> wondered what are alternative tools/platform availiable and  its pro & 
>> cons exist in our developer community.
>> ..Eclipse + WOLips
>
> By far the most vibrant and real alternative. Though at this time  WOLips 
> doesn't offer WYSIWYG editing it *may* in the future. But it  offers 
> features that WebObjects Builder never offered - such as wod  binding 
> validation, auto-completion (and templated suggestions etc).  Many of the 
> bugs that you may have only discovered at runtime are now  available at 
> compile time. A big plus!
>
>> ..development tool comes with MacOS X (project builder ?)
>
> Project Builder has long since bitten the dust. Xcode replaced  Project 
> Builder at least a few years ago. WebObjects can still be  developed with 
> the Apple-supplied Xcode, WebObjects Builder,  EOModeler, etc toolset.... 
> noting that (except for Xcode) those other  tools are marked as deprecated 
> meaning that they'll not be receiving  further updates and that at some 
> point in the future they'll go away.
>
> Other than that, I believe some people might be using other Java IDEs 
> with ant files... it often comes down to what tools you're familiar/ 
> productive with.
>
> with regards,
> --
>
> Lachlan Deck
>
>
>
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