Re: SnowLeopard deployment

Just installed *only* the WebObjectsRuntime.pkg on Snow Leopard Client. 
That gave me all the ususal things (/System/Library/Frameworks and 
everything). Don't know what's missing - I got much more than I 
expected/wanted.

After that I followed these instructions:

http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Programming__WebObjects-Web+Applications-Deployment-Mac+OS+X+Server

That gave me a working installation except for the fact that I couldn't 
access my apps, and that turned out to be this problem:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg01818.html


Good to know this works. What I really want is is for Tomcat deployment 
to work...

/Anders


Chuck Hill wrote:
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>
>> Chuck Hill wrote:
>>> On Mar 13, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Anders Peterson wrote:
>>>> Hi, I'm just about to set up a new deployment server (probably not 
>>>> using plain Mac OS X 10.6, not Server),
>>>>
>>>> So far I've been experimenting with Tomcat, but I have a problem 
>>>> with web server resources.
>>>>
>>>> Can you, anyone, confirm that it is possible to install only 
>>>> WebObjectsRuntime.pkg, and not the other three?
>>> Not sure what the "other three" are.  I setup a SL server with
>>
>>
>> WebObjects543.dmg from Apple contains 4 packages:
>>
>> WebObjectsDevelopment.pkg
>> WebObjectsDocumentation.pkg
>> WebObjectsExamples.pkg
>> WebObjectsRuntime.pkg
>
> I'd think only the Runtime one, assuming you want a stock deployment.
>
>
>> - wotaskd and JavaMonitor from Wonder (both fully embedded)
>>> - my apps (fully embedded)
>>> - scripts for launch to start wotaskd and JavaMonitor
>>> - mod_webobjects from Wonder
>>> - apache.conf copied from somewhere
>>
>>
>> Are you saying I don't need the Apple WebObjects disk image at all 
>> (to set up a deployment server)?
>
> Not if all the apps are embedded (including wotaskd and JavaMonitor) 
> and you can setup other bits by yourself.  It is not really difficult.
>
>
>> I'm guessing I should be able to follow these instructions
>>
>> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Programming__WebObjects-Web+Applications-Deployment-Mac+OS+X+Server 
>>
>>
>> and modify the plist-files to point at whatever version of wotaskd 
>> and Monitor I have.
>
> Yes.  I am pretty sure that was the original source of the files that 
> I am using.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>>>> Doesn't Monitor require all the usual WebObjects frameworks, or is 
>>>> it fully embedded? My own application is  fully embedded.
>>>>
>>>> /Anders
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dev WO wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Xavier,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd install only "WebObjectsRuntime.pkg", the weird thing is that 
>>>>>> the installer (the ..mpkg) installs only the other three 
>>>>>> (Development, Documentation and Examples) which, on a deployment 
>>>>>> machine, are not that useful.
>>>>>> I'm not very fond of the embedded approach but maybe it's just 
>>>>>> me... I have tons of apps made for a lot of clients and it's 
>>>>>> faster to deploy just the app if you have to upload it via a slow 
>>>>>> network connection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Embedded application will lead to bigger stuff to upload, that's 
>>>>> 100% true. And I was also reluctant at first. But you could get 
>>>>> quite reasonable upload times even on slow connection with a 
>>>>> zip/tar.gz file, not as fast as only the app for sure, but fast 
>>>>> enough.
>>>>> But it allows you quite interesting things:
>>>>> -you don't need to take care of the runtime version deployed on 
>>>>> the server
>>>>> -you don't need to have all your apps with the same runtime/libraries
>>>>> -you can update only one app framework or runtime without needing 
>>>>> to make sure it won't break the others
>>>>>
>>>>> There's probably other interesting things:)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not saying not embedding is "bad", I'm just saying embedding 
>>>>> provides more flexibility, less stress, easier upgrade path with 
>>>>> only a little longer upload time and disk space.
>>>>>
>>>>> The size of the embedded app aren't that big to me as I'm handling 
>>>>> all resources through Apache directly (css/images) so I only need 
>>>>> to upload those resources when I change them, without deploying 
>>>>> the app.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least for me, I would have start that process earlier, it was 
>>>>> quite a lot of work to migrate the already existing apps to 
>>>>> embedded (and some of them also needed to move to ERPrototypes), 
>>>>> but I only have 5 more apps left to convert now:) And as soon as 
>>>>> this is done, upgrades, migration, etc will be almost a pleasure;)
>>>>> At least it will really ease the upcoming Snow Leopard migration:)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's imagine you have a newer version of WO (or more likely a 
>>>>> related frameworks;)), you can just start the new apps directly 
>>>>> with this framework. And when you need to update a previous app, 
>>>>> you can just make sure this specific one works as expected with 
>>>>> the new framework. You don't need to "validate" everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had to be part of a lobby I would go for the "embed working 
>>>>> group";)
>>>>>
>>>>> Xavier
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matteo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:51 AM, Dev WO wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Matteo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally I wouldn't install the entire WO on the deployment 
>>>>>>> machine, just to make sure my apps are correctly embedded.
>>>>>>> But I haven't try this setup right now, I'll do this week probably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it works, I would go with only wotaskd, JavaMonitor and 
>>>>>>> mod_webobjects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But thanks to mention the issue with the installer.
>>>>>>> I think I'll try to make a brand new wiki page with my setup and 
>>>>>>> maybe someone will add a more regular install with WORuntime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xavier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I discovered this morning that on a "virgin" SL Server (without 
>>>>>>>> XCode installed) installing WebObjects 5.4.3 from the DMG 
>>>>>>>> available on the Apple website, the most important part for a 
>>>>>>>> deployment doesn't get installed: no JavaMonitor or WOTaskd.
>>>>>>>> It is weird...
>>>>>>>> Manually opening the Packages directory you will find a 
>>>>>>>> "WebObjectsRuntime.pkg" which is not installed by default, just 
>>>>>>>> double click it and voilà, monitor and wotaskd appear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope it helps,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matteo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Dev WO wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Stavros,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can keep the discussion on the list, it can be of help to 
>>>>>>>>> other in addition to the woproject wiki.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's a good idea to separate development and 
>>>>>>>>> deployment. The one thing you'll loose with this is the ease 
>>>>>>>>> of testing apps and rewrite rules with vhost settings 
>>>>>>>>> (multiple apps/domain name).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regarding the "evil" thing, I was saying that because you said 
>>>>>>>>> development was OK and not deployment, so I assumed 
>>>>>>>>> development was ok under 10.6 but not deployment so the most 
>>>>>>>>> likely way you to be in this setup was with 
>>>>>>>>> DirectConnect=true. But maybe you were perfectly ok in 10.5.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As far as deployment goes, I think you can only install the 
>>>>>>>>> Wonder versions of wotaskd/JavaMonitor/mod_webobjects 
>>>>>>>>> (adjusting the setup for Apache, etc) and deploy your apps 
>>>>>>>>> "embedded".
>>>>>>>>> Someone will correct me if I'm wrong with this or I'll correct 
>>>>>>>>> myself within a couple weeks as I will setup new Snow Leopard 
>>>>>>>>> servers for WO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if you are using Wonder (even if you don't, you 
>>>>>>>>> should use the wotaskd/JavaMonitor/mod_webobject from it), but 
>>>>>>>>> I personally think it should be considered the default setup 
>>>>>>>>> now and it will ease a lot of things for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Personally I'm using WO 5.3 as all you get in 5.4 is already 
>>>>>>>>> in Wonder. But 5.3 setup is a little bit complicated as 
>>>>>>>>> there's no "complete installer" like in 5.4. You would need to 
>>>>>>>>> extract the parts from a version 2.5 Xcode...
>>>>>>>>> If you are already on 5.4, just stick with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let us know how you things goes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Xavier
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Xavier,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thank you very much for your assistance. Also please excuse 
>>>>>>>>>> my poor knowledge in many aspects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For many years I did development and deployment on the same 
>>>>>>>>>> machine (OSX Leopard, 10.5) without to note any problem 
>>>>>>>>>> (problems started from the day I installed Snow Leopard). 
>>>>>>>>>> Also I never noted somewhere that this is evil. Anyway, from 
>>>>>>>>>> now on I will separate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The server has a static IP address. Regarding DNS I rely on 
>>>>>>>>>> DNS provided from my ISP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will try with a clean installation following instructions 
>>>>>>>>>> of the woproject site. Since I believe that this is something 
>>>>>>>>>> that is not of interest to the list, please let me know if I 
>>>>>>>>>> can contact you again directly for any questions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks for all your efforts,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yours
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stavros
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Dev WO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Stavros,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think there's already quite a bunch of informations on the 
>>>>>>>>>>> woproject site:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WO/Programming__WebObjects-Web+Applications-Deployment-Mac+OS+X+Server 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So for exemple your Apache modification isn't correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I fond surprising that the machine is also a development 
>>>>>>>>>>> machine, if that's the case (you said it was working for 
>>>>>>>>>>> development) you're are using DirectConnect for development 
>>>>>>>>>>> which is, as you can see every time it is mentioned, evil;)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you really using this machine for WO development or did 
>>>>>>>>>>> you just install the dev tools for "other" purpose?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another question which will be very important if you ever 
>>>>>>>>>>> need to really use the server: does this machine has a 
>>>>>>>>>>> static IP or is this a "mobile" computer?
>>>>>>>>>>> If it's a "mobile" computer, you should get back to the 
>>>>>>>>>>> client version, almost everything in OS X server is related 
>>>>>>>>>>> to a fully functional DNS service which you won't be able to 
>>>>>>>>>>> get with a dynamic IP.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To summarize, before we start to fix:)
>>>>>>>>>>> Is this a real server (static IP/fully functional DNS)
>>>>>>>>>>> => Yes: even if you could use it for development purpose, it 
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't really make sense, but it's ok, we'll try to make 
>>>>>>>>>>> everything work
>>>>>>>>>>> => No: sorry if I look "not nice", but you have to get back 
>>>>>>>>>>> to a client version, everything you'll be able to make work 
>>>>>>>>>>> on a server without the DNS and stuff will be what you have 
>>>>>>>>>>> on the client version anyway
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Xavier
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I did as follows
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -I downloaded mod_WebObjects.so from Wonder
>>>>>>>>>>>> -I put a line in httpd.conf as follows
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #LoadModule python_module libexec/apache2/mod_python.so
>>>>>>>>>>>> #LoadModule xsendfile_module libexec/apache2/mod_xsendfile.so
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LoadModule WebObjects_module libexec/apache2/mod_WebObjects.so
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ##
>>>>>>>>>>>> ## If you wish httpd to run as a different user or group, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> you must run
>>>>>>>>>>>> ## httpd as root initially and it will switch.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ##
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then I restarted SnowLeopard server and apache.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sorry to say that the problem still remains the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any more suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:00 PM, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Snow Leopard deployment (Stavros Panidis)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: Snow Leopard deployment (Matteo Centro)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: Snow Leopard deployment (Johann Werner)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:47:49 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Stavros Panidis <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Snow Leopard deployment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to deploy on a SnowLeopard server. The same 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is used also for development and everything works 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. Also JavaMonitor works but when I try to access 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> application in the form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hostname/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MyApp.woa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the following error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Object not found!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. The link 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please inform the author of that page about the error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think this is a server error, please contact the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> webmaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Error 404
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostname
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thu Feb 18 16:36:11 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache/2.2.13 (Unix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any help on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:54:15 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Matteo Centro <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Snow Leopard deployment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Stavros Panidis <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: [email protected]
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like your apache doesn't know how to handle 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cgi-bin/WebObjects requests... By default SL server 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have a WebObjects adaptor, unfortunately you can't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use an adaptor compiled from Leopard because Snow Leopard 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is 64 bit, you must compile it yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is source code in wonder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope it helps,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matteo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matteo Centro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Altera
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.altera.it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 19, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Stavros Panidis wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to deploy on a SnowLeopard server. The same 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine is used also for development and everything works 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine. Also JavaMonitor works but when I try to access 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application in the form of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hostname/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MyApp.woa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get the following error:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Object not found!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The requested URL was not found on this server. The link 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please inform the author of that page about the error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think this is a server error, please contact the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> webmaster.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Error 404
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostname
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thu Feb 18 16:36:11 2010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache/2.2.13 (Unix)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any help on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Snow Leopard deployment
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