Re: Enterprise using WO

At 12:17 AM +0800 5/22/05, Ashley Aitken wrote:
>However, personally, I would like to know whether or not Tapestry is 
>a better Web framework than WOF (for example, in terms of 
>functionality, design, and maturity).

I'll be able to let you know in a couple of months.  We're starting a 
large scale Tapestry/Hibernate project.

>Can you (or anyone else on the list) give an informed comparison of 
>the two?  I know they are similar component-based framework (and as 
>you suggested, Tapestry was inspired by WebObjects).

There's differences to be sure.... but there's more similarities as 
far as I can tell (in concept).

>Does Tapestry have a "WO Builder" (or better)?

Nope.

But to be honest, I used WOBuilder for about 5 days (back in 1999) 
before I just started doing things without WOBuilder and opting for a 
text editor instead.

However, Tapestry doesn't use its own tag, rather it uses attributes 
within existing tags.  This allows for regular web designing tools to 
be utilized.  There's also Eclipse plugins which help with Tapestry 
attributes in the IDE.  I haven't used them (yet) myself, but if I 
recall, you can click on a tag and a pull down or property sheet for 
tapestry attributes.

Here's a quick illustration about Tapestry.

http://myworkspace.sourceforge.net/Illustrating_Tapestry.html

Tapestry has components like WO.

Tapestry uses OGNL <http://www.ognl.org> (WO's KVC).  In fact, OGNL 
was developed by Drew Davidson who developed KVC for Next.

Here's that Eclipse plugin for Tapestry:

http://spindle.sourceforge.net/

Anyway.... the paradigm is very similar.

The world hasn't stood still since 1999 (or before).  Plenty of open 
source projects have been inspired by WO... and have gone further in 
many areas WO should have been able to move forward on.

No time to debate the reasons why... or what could have been if Apple 
would have done X, Y, or Z.... we've done those here too many times 
over.

Suffice to say, I look forward to putting all my research into 
Tapestry and Hibernate into action.

:)

I'll come back with a report in a few months or perhaps write up a 
good comparison of the development environments and the end result.

mark

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