Re: Side effect of OSX on Intel announcement

>>> Have you been able to run any WebObjects-ObjC applications on
>>> Panther/Tiger too?
>>>
>>
>>   Yes. Doing it right now on Tiger!
>>
>
> You are making me an happy man!!! :-]
>
> Are you just deploying on Tiger, or also develop?

   Haven't deployed on Tiger yet, but we'll be testing that soon
on our Test Bank. We were waiting for a new XServe to come in with
Tiger Server on it, but that arrived yesterday.
>
>
>
>>> I would be very interested in knowing how did you achieve that,  
>>> as we
>>> are worried abount the current Apple hardware not beeing able to run
>>> MacOS 10.2.
>>>
>>
>>    Well, we buy G5 XServes all the time, so here goes.
>>
>>    At this point, we have this all in a giant tgz file we just
>> extract, so this is off the top of my head.
>>
>>    Basically, starting from a working 10.x install of WO4.5.1P4, tar
>> up the following files/directories:
>>
>> Developer/Applications/EOModeler.app/
>> Developer/Applications/WebObjects Builder.app/
>> System/Library/Frameworks/EOAccess.framework/
>> System/Library/Frameworks/EOControl.framework/
>> System/Library/Frameworks/EOInterface.framework/
>> System/Library/Frameworks/EOModeler.framework/
>> System/Library/Frameworks/Plot.framework/
>> System/Library/Frameworks/WebObjects.framework/
>> System/Library/Frameworks/WOExtensions.framework/
>> System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/MultiScript.framework/
>> System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/XML.framework/
>> System/Library/StartupItems/WebObjects/
>> System/Library/StartupItems/WebObjects/StartupParameters.plist
>> System/Library/StartupItems/WebObjects/WebObjects
>> System/Library/WebObjects/Adaptors/
>> System/Library/WebObjects/Applications/
>> System/Library/WebObjects/Executables/
>>
>> Basically, you need to get the two PrivateFrameworks above, and there
>> are a couple of .plist files in WebObjects that were missing a
>> trailing ';'. The 10.0 .plist parser was more flexible, the 10.1+
>> complains. You can fix it by just opening it in a text editor and
>> adding a ; to the end of the file.
>>
>>   Though if you're running on 10.2, you've probably fixed all that
>> already.
>>
>
> Yes, I have got the whole list (still available if you need it).
> But we have not being able to run it on Panther anyway. :-(
>
> Did you eventually use the Oracle adaptor?
>
> This is the only adaptor we use.

   We use FrontBase.
>
>
>
>>   Repeat for a deployment install instead of a developer install,
>> though in that case you don't need some of the above stuff.
>>
>>   That's pretty much it. WO is basically a command line process, so
>> it doesn't depend on stuff.
>>
>>   Then in your xcode projects (after upgrading them):
>>
>
> Are you also able to use XCode!!!
>
> This is too much to bear for my soul all at once!!! :-D
>
> Don't tell me that you can still use a debugger, because I will get  
> crazy.


   Uhhh.... Yeah, I can. :-)

>>> For the definitive "exit" strategy we are closely looking at SOPE
>>> (http://sope.opengroupware.org/en/), that seems to be able to easily
>>> replace the WebObject.framework. For the EOF stuff things are more
>>> complex, but it looks like GDL2 is still under active (but not
>>> astonishing fast) development.
>>>
>>
>>    Yeah, that's about where I was at too, its just that sope uses
>> GDL1...
>>
>
> We have asked Mirko Viviani, the original author of GDL2 to integrate
> GDL2 with SOPE.

   Oh, very cool...

   That's making me salivate, because I would love to have an open- 
source
EOF 4.5. And now that XCode can read/write EOModel files...

> We have and XCode project for it, but there are fuzzy problems with
> EOFaults that have blocked our development on MacOSX.
>
> Mirko's analysis was that the Apple's implementation of NSObject is
> not fully compatible with the current implementation of GLD2's EOFault
> class.

   It may be the same Panther gotcha:

   [array valueForKey:@"blah"] used to return an array with all the  
values of
"blah" for each of the elements of array.

   In Panther, that behavior got explicit, and I think you have to  
specify union or distinct on arrays (I forget the details). Unless  
you link Foundation last, in which case it ends up using WOs version  
of -[NSArray valueForKey].

   EOFaults do some weird voodoo with the isa stuff though. What does  
GLD2 do?


>
> As GDL2 still miss the Oracle adaptor, we have gave up further  
> testing it.

   Yeah, and it was missing the Frontbase adaptor for us...

   Though come to think of it, the FB guys let us have the source to  
their
adaptor, so perhaps I could port it.

  Pierce