Re: WebObjects open source?

There are other WO developers better suited to answer those question. 
I'm cross posting to webobjects-talk and hope someone will pick up the 
thread.

/Anders

Igor Vaynberg wrote:
> I guess i would be interested in knowing how web objects stores state 
> and how the back button is handled.
> 
> is the state stored like tapestry - disjointed from the components?
> 
> do components have to be beans?
> 
> does it store undo history to handle the back button somewhere when the 
> state is stored serverside in session and not in urls?
> 
> what drew me to wicket and away from tapestry were the following things:
> 
> in wicket i could have very dynamic component hierarchies. i can take 
> any panel and switch it with any other panel, move components around, 
> etc. in tapestry the hierarchy is pretty much fixed from the creation of 
> the page because of how it defines, pools, and handles state.
> 
> in wicket i can use good citizen pattern with constructors and have 
> private/protected final variables because wicket is unmanaged and so 
> components dont have to be beans. in tapestry components have to be 
> beans so none of these are possible. also to have your state persisted 
> you have to have your getters/setters abstract and declared (at least as 
> of a late 3.x).
> 
> wicket keeps undo history so it can restore the proper state when the 
> back button is used. when you use tapestry you are pretty much on your 
> own when you use session scope.
> 
> i tried to look for this stuff in wo docs but couldnt really find 
> anything useful.
> 
> -Igor
> 
> 
> On 8/30/06, *Anders Peterson* <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
>     Frank Silbermann wrote:
> 
>      > Just glancing at your link for a few seconds, and reading the earlier
>      > comment that it looks like ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> with VS.NET
>     <http://VS.NET>, I would guess that Web
>      > Objects provides a library of components that you can paint onto your
>      > pages, automatically generating the custom tags in your HTML file.
> 
>     Yes, but you don't have to do it that way.
> 
>      > Suppose you are customizing a component by setting many
>     properties, and
>      > using it with those settings on fifty different webpages.  In
>     Wicket, I
>      > can create a method which instantiates a web display object, sets its
>      > properties and returns it.  I can then call that method every time I
>      > want to instantiate a web object with those settings.
> 
>     You can, of course, do that with WO as well.
> 
>      > What facility does Web Objects provide that lets you avoid having to
>      > re-set those properties fifty times?
> 
>     ... and however you choose to construct your "web display object" it is
>     (naturally) also a component that can be used as a building block for
>     other "web display objects".
> 
>      > (Isn't the inconvenience of adding slightly-customized variations of
>      > components to the toolset the reason most Swing GUI programmers
>     end up
>      > building their GUI in code instead of using some IDE's graphical
>      > GUI-painter?)
> 
>     Most people just don't want to change their way of doing things (and
>     some graphical GUI-painters are not very good).
> 
>     You seem to think there is only a fixed and limited set of components to
>     work with - why assume something like that?
> 
>     /Anders
> 
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>      > [mailto:[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Anders
>      > Peterson
>      > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 12:51 PM
>      > To: [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>      > Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] WebObjects open source?
>      >
>      > Not sure what to say... it makes me productive...
>      >
>      > It's not really fair to compare Wicket and WebObjects (WO). WO is a
>      > whole package of frameworks and tools that function well together
>     (but
>      > can be used independently). Wicket needs team mates to replace WO
>      > entirely.
>      >
>      > With Wicket any html and java editors will do just fine. This is
>      > generally a good thing (I think) but it's also a restriction. With
>      > WebObjects the tools are part of what makes the package great:
>      >
>      > Start up the WOBuilder tool, create a WODisplayGroup instance and
>     start
>      > (visually) combining WOComponents and binding them to data. It's
>     fast
>      > and intuitive...
>      >
>      > /Anders
>      >
>      >
>     http://developer.apple.com/documentation/WebObjects/Conceptual/WO53_WOBu
>     <http://developer.apple.com/documentation/WebObjects/Conceptual/WO53_WOBu>
>      > ilderGuide/
>      >
>      >
>     http://developer.apple.com/documentation/webobjects/Reference/API/com/we
>      > bobjects/appserver/WODisplayGroup.html
>      >
>     http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Webobjects/Reference/API/com/we
>      > bobjects/appserver/WOComponent.html
>      >
>      > Eelco Hillenius wrote:
>      >> :) It's one of my favorite parts of Wicket, so sure.
>      >>
>      >> What about the strong points of WebObjects, what are the things you
>      >> really like about that?
>      >>
>      >> Eelco
>      >>
>      >> On 8/29/06, Anders Peterson <[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>      >>> Sure, if it has to be just like Wicket to compete; you win. ;-)
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