Re: WebObject Support on the development tools

On Nov 26, 2007, at 11:48 PM, Georg Tuparev wrote:
> On Nov 27, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Pierce T. Wetter III wrote:
>> On Nov 25, 2007, at 1:27 PM, David BON wrote:
>>
>>> Following the link on the wocommunity Web site related to Apple  
>>> support for WebObjects, I wonder what does the following sentence  
>>> mean, now that the Apple development tools are deprecated?
>>>
>>> Support in key areas
>>> (...)
>>> WebObjects development tools
>>> (...)
>>
>> It means Eclipse is a much better development environment for Java  
>> then XCode, so Apple bowed to the inevitable and now supports  
>> WOLips as the development tool for WebObjects and is even  
>> sponsoring it to some extent.
>
> It means Eclipse proponents are very vocal, dislike beauty and  
> elegance, and think they could talk in the name of the entire WO  
> community.


Georg, this becomes tiresome.  I suspect that you would count me as  
an Eclipse proponent  :-) and I am fairly sure that that I don't  
dislike beauty or elegance.  I don't find Eclipse to be beautiful nor  
elegant.  I did not find Xcode to be either.  But I do admit to  
finding Eclipse to quite effective at developing WO applications.   
That is a feeling that Xcode never evoked.

But, really, you did not come here to whine, did you?  I have no  
doubt of the sincerity and depth of your dislike of Eclipse.  And you  
are not alone.  I read a quote somewhere to the effect of "If Eclipse  
is state of the art, then the art is in quite a state!".   I can't  
argue against that.  But there is one thing that I don't know that I  
would very much like to know.  I don't know _why_ you think Eclipse  
is ugly and inelegant.  I am looking for specifics here.  I'd find it  
hard to believe that icon size and tab appearance are what gnaws at  
your sensibilities.  You are a deeper thinker than that.  You have  
stated several times how truly awful Eclipse is.  Yet, when asked why  
all I have seen you respond with is bugs.

So I am inviting you now to be part of the solution.  Share your  
ideas with us.  Please.  Eclipse, as I am certain you know very well,  
is an platform for creating development environments.  It is not a  
"set in stone" application wrapping make/jam/ant like Xcode is.  It  
is a wildly configurable and tweak-able platform.  We have the power  
and the desire to make it better.  So please, take some time to help  
us understand what is wrong and what would make it right (or even  
better).  It will make for a more  usable product.  It probably still  
won't make you happy, but it might make you happier.  Look at  
Thomas.  He came complaining of things missing.  Then he got  
specific.  And those issues were addressed and the Component Editor  
is much better for it.  What we would like to see are things like:

1. I don't like that I have to _______  when I want to _______.  It  
would be much better if I could just ______.

2. Having the _________ shown as ________ makes it very hard to  
understand.  If they were done as ________ or _____ that would be a  
lot better.


Regards,
Chuck

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