Re: State of Windows deployment in 2009?

On 25/11/2009, at 11:32 AM, Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists wrote:

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>>>> The community has arisen in response to Apple pulling back (e.g., =
Entity Modeler was written because of Apple's decision to pull the =
tools). You've got it backwards I'm afraid.
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>>> Not really, IMHO, Apple is now recognizing the great contributions =
from the community, which might be better than their own. Eclipse/EM =
seemed an obvious progression; so why stand in the way?
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>> You're just not providing a true picture of history. Xcode was the =
predominant dev tools for WO until Apple dropped it... and then the =
masses looked for an alternative and got behind WOLips. Sure, the WOLips =
tools were around beforehand but were in no way in a ready state for the =
masses. That's all since changed...
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>> with regards,
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>> Lachlan Deck
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> Talking about history; we have been using WebObjects since 1998.

Cool.

> The point is that Apple did not want to stand in the way of something =
better suited.

lol... because as a company they're just generous at heart when it comes =
to setting their technology free ;-)

> In their opinion, at that time, the WOLips tools WERE ready for the =
masses,

Now you've either got this from the horses mouth so to speak or are =
making it up. The former makes no sense as it is simply not true (Entity =
Modeler for exmaple was no where near ready ... as Mike worked hard on =
it *after* the announcement of Apple dropping theirs). Sure it was =
showing signs of being the way to go for the future ... that would be =
closer to making sense.

> as Apple had already been using them internally for a couple of years =
prior to that.=20

That little thing called the Java-bridge doing its disappearing act had =
some influence on their decision too... :-)

Look, I hope they do get around to releasing 5.5, 5.6 etc but there's no =
denying that there's some internal politics that's slowing things down =
considerably.

with regards,
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Lachlan Deck