Re: split out zope.component "mechanics" into a separate package (was Re: improving the utility and adapter lookup APIs)

Chris McDonough wrote:
[snip]
> It tries to address the following problem.
> 
> Currently people seem to get wrapped around the axle and confused by the 
> purpose of "the ZCA", which currently implies at least two different things:
> 
> - Machinery to perform complex registrations and lookups using interfaces
>    in the form of a registry.
> 
> - A global API that presents a view of the world: "there are these things
>    called utilities and adapters, and this API is how you do adaptation and
>    utility lookup".
> 
> These two things are conceptually distinct.
> 
> It shouldn't be necessary to need to understand the concept of "utility" and 
> "adapter" to use a registry.  A registry is just machinery that uses interfaces 
> as registration markers for the benefit of later arbitrary lookups, not 
> necessarily just for "finding utilities" or "finding and calling adapter 
> factories".  For instance, you might use the registry to register some callable 
> that accepts *no* arguments with, say, two "requires" arguments.  You shouldn't 
> need to call this an "adapter", because it's not one; you just want to register 
> something and get it back when you ask nicely.

Agreed, but isn't this registry in zope.interface already? I mean 
zope.interface.adapter.AdapterRegistry? I've used this for the 
"not-really-adapting-as-I-don't-want-to-call" in a library of mine 
recently (traject).

You factored out the registry functionality, but there are still plenty 
of references to utilities in it, for instance. As far as I understand 
it that would be putting too much into zope.registry already?

> The API of a registry should be able to evolve separately from the API of its 
> consumers (the global ZCA API is only one consumer).  The current registry API 
>   permits the concepts of utility and adapter to bleed into the implementation, 
> but this needn't be the case forever.  We could provide (and document) a very 
> simple registry base class with a normalized API that didn't have any of this 
> conceptual baggage; it would be extremely popular, I think.

> Likewise, it should be possible to use a different registry implementation to 
> service the ZCA global API.  This is possible right now via 
> getSiteManager.sethook, of course.
> 
>> You factored various related things together - perhaps it would make 
>> sense to do this refactoring within zope.component?
>>
>> I'm +1 on making zope.event part of zope.component and deprecating 
>> zope.event.
>>
>> Speculating, would it instead make sense to move zope.registry 
>> functionality into zope.interface? The only additional dependency is 
>> zope.event. At first glance the answer would be "no" as it really 
>> introduces various component architecture concepts...
> 
> It might make sense to me to put a very simple component registry in 
> zope.interface: it already has the concept of "adapter" baked in.

Yeah, I think this makes more sense.

So, we have a number of projects:

* interface API - the stuff around calling interface I sketched out 
elsewhere. I think this is relatively low-hanging fruit. On the other 
hand it breaks backwards compatibility. I wouldn't want this project to 
depend on the other improvements, and I don't think it has to, so I'd 
like to see this as zope.component 4.0.

* improving and move code that's general enough from zope.component into 
zope.interface. What this would look like I'm not quite sure about yet, 
as zope.registry at first glance contains a lot of knowledge about 
utilities and such still. There are backwards compatibility issues 
surrounding persistence but hopefully less around the APIs themselves.

* an improved registration API for zope.component. This would affect a 
lot of code that does registration.

Documentation projects should go along with all of those.

Regards,

Martijn

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